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GracieX3:
Lol.....if you knew how much money foreigners make in Nigeria.

Are you aware that cars, technology and data are more expensive in Nigeria?

A car I would buy for 8,000 pounds in UK (16 million Naira) will cost me 25 million Naira. It would even be cheaper to buy a right handed car in uk and convert it than to buy the same car in Nigeria

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He has no clue.

And many of them live the kind of life in Nigeria they could never dream of at home.

ono:
And why not?

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Why would you presume in favor of the greatest pathological liar in history.

timota:
Why are people so bias against Trump,so u all want non citizens to be voting in us elections,so that illegal immigrants and terrorist will vote against the good people of united states'.
I stand with Trump on this one, operation show ur ID before voting

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Come on.

Lets say that you stand with Trump on Voter IDs. I also see nothing wrong with Voter IDs.
Do you also think he has the right to postpone the election? He doesnt.

ono:
...read through all you wrote. Balanced views, learnt some new stuff. You keep at it like this, perhaps, we can be friends, so long as you're not gay.

Also, what if Trump's plan also include making sure that all eligible voters have this ID? What if he's got a good plan to start this. We are in the jet age for Christ's sake. Let them just take that first step. You all sound like "it can't be done" and it's got to be perfect the first time. I don't think this is what's on Trump's mind. He just wants some order around how things are done. Your hatred of and for him is blinding you all from seeing what's good coming out of this.

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You tend to presume in his favour all the time.

benalvino3:
For Jagaban presidency? 🤣😂🤣😂

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Especially so since Forex is more locally powerful now.

raumdeuter:
It makes it harder for those who are not US citizens obviously. You cannot go to a bank and say you want to withdraw money, they ask for your account number you dont know, your name or ID to search for you and you don't know. So what proves you have a right to access the money? Nothing

When you know, then come back

What in your mind provides election integrity? Its almost a No brainer, but the American left are actually no brainers

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See Ijebos' post.

It touches on some key points.

Such as cost. They should make IDs free.

Also it makes the good point that Dems are actually far more likely to have IDs than hill billys.

IjeBos:
Did you see what happened in the last election in Nigeria?
Ask people how difficult it was to get voter cards. I read stories and heard tales of people of certain tribes having very difficult times getting voter ids.
You have first hand experience with it and still act like you don't.

Voting in the US is done at a precinct level by people who live in that precinct. So, when I walk in I meet someone who I see when I go running, who asks my address and then checks me in. In that voting place, there is an armed local cop outside and a couple armed local cops inside.
The organization it would take for someone to vote multiple times is unrealistic. And you would be insane to risk voting illegal if you aren't a legal citizen yet.

Now, I am for security so I have no issue with voter id, in fact would prefer it. The problem is, can it be done in a manner that doesn't disenfranchise people.
The Dems had a voting rights bill that allowed for voter ID. But they also had protections in place so people could get those IDs easily and at no cost. A cost to vote is a poll tax which is illegal in the US because of its racist history or being used to disenfranchise black voters.
Voting is a right guaranteed by the constitution and should be treated as such.

Also, strangely enough this new Republican bill would disenfranchise Republican voters more than Democratic voters. Democrats are more likely to have a Passport(travel) and be able to get to a location to get an ID. So Dems are actually fighting for Republican voters here as usual but being criticized by the same people they are fighting for.

And lastly, the difference between DeepSight and you is that he speaks in a probing way. It sounds like he studies what he is talking about, has info to back it up and still stays in his lane on matters he may not have enough experience in. His goal seems to lean and grow his knowledge base. You talk like your word is the end all and be all of a topic especially when it's clear you really don't have facts to back it up or a firm understanding of that topic. It's the same thing Basilico and Bemeruca do in this thread.
Like this post.
You are arguing about how voter id worked in Nigeria without talking about one of the biggest issues, how big of a mess and how hard it was to get the voter card. And what seems like a deliberate, purposeful strategy to prevent some people from voting to game the election.

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Excellent points particularly on the cost to vote point.

raumdeuter:
So how do you prove you are a US citizen

How is John Smoth going to prove he is a US citizen without one of those document, why cant Deepsight also claim he is a US citizen and use the same excuse of No Birth cert and no US passport

They can apply for a birth certificate.

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I know, it just makes it harder for many and that's what the Republicans really want.

It's about that if you are honest.

Anyways I have no issues with it.
Not that it concerns me.

raumdeuter:
The Save act says when you are REGISTERING to vote, you need to proof your citizenship by bringing evidence of your citizenship to register

Once you are registered, you need a Govt issued ID to vote

what could be controversial about this

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Do you know what proportion of people don't have passports or birth certificates.

raumdeuter:
Since you are a Nigerian and familiar with Nigeria, I will use the Nigerian example

what do you think about Northerners in Nigeria benefitting and getting placed into top govt position due to quota system

Do you think its good for Nigeria that some people have a lower standards to get into positions?

When you get to a top position say NNPC and see a Hausa person what does your mind first go to? Maybe that this guy is not qualified and only got there because he was from the North. In some cases you might actually find out that this Northern man was a smart guy who went to Unilag UI Ife Nsukka Zaria and came tops like Prof Jubril aminu

Imagine you got to a surgeon table and see Doctor Abubakar Audu from Yobe state, maybe something will whisper in your mind that Are you sure this guy will know what he is doing?

You see that what was designed to help Northerners now became an albatross on the smart ones where everyone now doubt their abilities

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This example is always at the back of my mind when discussing affirmative action.

Nonetheless I am not sure you understand how affirmative action is worked out and applied in the USA.

Secondly in areas of particular expertise, no unqualified person can get through, affirmative action or not. This you will not find any pilots or doctors who do not meet the standards of the industry.

Thirdly and most importantly, the backwardness of the North in Nigeria did not arise from any lawfully endorsed past injustice of the state as is the case in America, where white people were legally given unmerited privileges for over a century. And black people were wildly marginalized and discriminated against for centuries.

Therefore the social justification is strong in America while it is not in Nigeria.

Finally, please know that the preponderance of Northerners in govt positions in Nigeria is not a function of quota system, it is a function of a Northern hegemonic system and a culture of Northerners directed towards public service roles and systemic dominance.

raumdeuter:
The only thing weird with America is the Democrat left

There is hardly any activity you do without a govt issued ID,
These minorities rent or own homes? They need an ID,
These minorities have a job? They need an ID,
these minorities operate a bank account? They need an ID
These minorities check into hospitals? They need an ID
These minorities buy controlled substances like medication, liquor or cigarrete? They need an ID

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I agree.

DeepSight:
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I have answered your questions as best as I can.

You simply want me to say "Oh, master, I was wrong in my analysis."

I would advise you to move on to the meat of the matter because that is not coming. Where I am wrong, or see better reasoning though, I always concede without much ado.

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TV01, let us move this discussion somewhere else as this is not American Politics

I think it fits in here -

https://www.nairaland.com/8632938/tctrills-repugnant-aspects-christian-doctrine

basilico:
It's childish , meaning you expect nothing but bias from him.

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Well, Trump is evil enough to generate the legitimate notion in many people that they should not help bring more Trumpists into the country.

Not saying I would necessarily do the same thing.

But if you think about it, if that lady was a colored person, one wonders what she is doing trying to go to the US (save for a temporary visit, business or pleasure) while supporting the man who is against colored people coming in there.

ono:
You're a chess player. Don't worry, your ties or is it inclination to liberals and their ideals is not in doubt. They know you're one with them in spirit and letter.

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You mean the bold metaphorically don't you. I do love chess though.

basilico:
Ijebos who went cold on a lady who needed visa help because she supported Trump. That's a poor yardstick.

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This has nothing to do with his understanding of his place of residence. It would be more related to his personal values if at all true.

basilico:
It's on my bucket list

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GracieX3:
Stop shifting the goal post.


Charlie Kirk questioned if a black pilot is qualified. Deepsight asked you if you know any pilot that is not qualified (did not do the minimum flight hours or training)

Either Charlie kirk made a foolish, racist remark or all black (and all races) are qualified.

Furthermore, diversity includes Hispanic, Native American, and Asian races. Why does Charlie Kirk only focus on black men and women when it comes to DEI.

The biggest DEI incompetent hires in government in the last year have all been Trump appointments- Hesgeth, Noem, Patel- all incompetent and unqualified for their jobs

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Thank you!

In fact for all their shouting about merit, just look at the disgraceful appointments!

TV01:
Our learned friend, SAN etc. etc. do your legal superpowers only consist of waffle and bluster . The bible says "in the multitude of words there is sin" Please answer my questions and I'll be happy to respond to yours.


TV

^{...let me open another front}

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I have answered your questions as best as I can.

You simply want me to say "Oh, master, I was wrong in my analysis."

I would advise you to move on to the meat of the matter because that is not coming. Where I am wrong, or see better reasoning though, I always concede without much ado.

ono:
Since you're here with us in Lagos, are you sure Ijebos willl not see things differently from how you see it? - just saying o o!

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You cannot deny that a person who resides in the USA is most likely to have a deeper understanding of the way things work and happen there.
Of course this does not mean that they are always right.

cococandy:
A lot of people were tricked and fooled.

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None more than those who believe that Trump is a Christian.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Those ones I truly laugh at!

I have NO DOUBT in my mind that he is an atheist. And an amoral one at that.

ono:
Bro, C'mon! If Nigeria - ranked as the poorest country on Earth right now, having fallen to that decrepit spot by displacing the former numero uno - India, still require IDs to vote in our elections, how is it that the "poor" in the US cannot get IDs, wherever they might be, to go to vote?

Perhaps, Ijebos will have something to write about now. He will say I am not living in the US, how will I know?

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Remember I said I see nothing wrong with insisting on IDs.
I am just telling you the reality on ground in America.

basilico:
He wasn't I would not get into a plane that wants women and people of color as a prerequisite.
Kirk asked someone in a video I posted, if the quality of NBA would go down if they insisted whites have to be in the team. What you think?

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You never responded to my epistle. Did you read it at least. It would be sad to make the effort and have it not read.

Ol boy forget sports. That one get tribe. E.g: Brazil and football. Kenyans and marathons. There are cultural and environmental factors of influence there. A field of studied technical expertise such as aviation or medicine is quite different.

ono:
So, then, if the leader of the free world (US)

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I had to come back to this.

Trump is not the leader of the free world. The free world has disowned him and he does not espouse freedom, he is a proponent and fan of dictatorship and tyranny.

basilico:
Never, a plane is not like a car where you can park , get out and resume journey.

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So if you understand this, then you should have known Kirk was talking sh**t.

ono:
So, then, if the leader of the free world (US) request that voters should have and ID to vote, is this out of place? Is there really something sinister that can be tired to this? Isn't it even a strange thing that such is happening in a country like the US in this day and age?

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Personally I dont really have a problem with insisting on IDs to vote to be honest. But the truth is just that the way America is configured, they know already that the minorities are far less likely to have IDs owing to the fact that a higher percentage of them live somewhat economically shambolic and "scattered" lives. So its a thing they understand well. And they are doing it to diminish the minority vote, nothing more.

Mind you, I still say there is nothing wrong with asking for IDs.

America is weird in many things, there are only a couple of countries in the world where a felon can contest elections.

ono:
We do use IDs to vote in Nigeria, don't we - never mind that the Northerners even allow their heard of cattle to vote, from what I gather (however true that may be)?

You sound (write) like a lawyer I know in Port Harcourt. Is that where you live?

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Yes and many non Nigerians have those IDs.

No, I live in Lagos. Always have, from birth and likely always will, despite the temptations to move.

As crazy as Lasgidi is, I have a true love for it.

basilico:
I have ever done a short stint working for an airline as the ICT Manager. I setup their call centre , liased with the developers of an online booking system ,redid their ICT infrastructure - server room, plus network servers including an exchange server plus CCTV .
Spent quite some time at the airport terminal check in.. The employees were crazy, having been used to manual ticketing and loading they never wanted a system which managed the airline . They would get bribed to underreport hand luggage. Which gives the pilot a very good idea of the amount of fuel for the flight.
The pilots were my friends that's how I managed to get the jump seat.
So yes I know more about flying behind the scenes , than the average person.

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And with your knowledge, is there any airline that would put a pilot on a plane if that pilot if not fully proficient?

TV01:
Please sir address the point in view and answer the questions. Based on your claim that The Lord Jesus Christ did not do away with the law (nailed it to the cross - hallelujah) and that in "fulfilling" it, not "abolishing" it, the law remains in force.

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I am trying my best to remain clear and consistent with you, but it appears you need me to kowtow to your reading of things before you can proceed. Note that I am not a Christian, and as such it really is not my business what a Christian wants to abide by or not. What is clear to me is that -

1. The same God Christians worship made barbaric commandments in the Old Testament (including orders for genocide)

2. The same Jesus worshipped by Christians repeatedly quoted the Old Testament in many things. He would ask, what does the law of Moses tell you, for example, and when asked what it takes to enter the Kingdom of heaven he summarized the law as being loving God and loving your neighbor (and this is a summary of the ten commandments - the first four dealing with God and the last six dealing with your neighbor)

In light of the foregoing, tell me, is it not reasonable to say that it is questionable to languidly and carelessly wave away the Old Testament and its laws? Is it your position that the Old Testament has been abolished? Has it been "cancelled" the way Muslims say that newer scripture cancels older scripture? You tell me, if that is what you think.

Tell me specifically, have the ten commandments been abolished?

Have all the commandments towards love, fairness, justice, honesty and humility in the Old Testament been abolished?

Are Christians not still bound by them?

Or is it only when a Christian sees a command that he does not like that he remebers that Alhaji Jesus has changed things?

Go ahead and tell me.

You are the one trying to hold me to a thing I never said. I never said "Christians are bound by the law" for example. That is your inference. I can understand why you leap to that inference but it misses my position. I dont think Christians are bound by all of the law (I gave you the example of the edict against shaving facial hair to show you that there are many petty and absurd rules therein - the books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus are a sad read full of nonsensical and petty injunctions) - BUT - no one can argue that the God that Christians worship (someone who is said to be the same yesterday, today and forever) once made such injunctions and prescriptions and no one can deny that it is worrisome that he would.

^{A lawyer that doesn't know the meaning of fulfil . From the same Nigeria that members of the NBA offered to defend Deborah's killers pro-bono. Where they disbarred by any chance? My fault for having expectations I guess.}

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We fulfill promises, laws are not "fulfilled" - no one makes such a usage of language either in law or everyday life. Laws are either obeyed, disobeyed or enforced. So quit the petty attempt at the professional ad hominem.

Speaking theologically however, I would say that Christ meant that the entire thrust of the events of the Old Testament found fulfillment in his coming. Certainly not that the laws and rules therein were fulfilled by him. If anything he dismissed quite a few of the said laws and rules (On Divorce/ On Revenge/ On the Sabbath, to mention a few). Thus you are the one being absurd and failing to use or understand language properly if you speak about law being fulfilled.

The facts remain -

1. Both OT and NT endorsed slavery
2. Christians and the Church justified slavery (and the murder of alleged witches) with bible verses.

Defend that.

Athemisia:
I read an article how his father bail him twice after his casino businesses collapse

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Correct.

brain54:
All we have to do is to leave Iran and we would be doing that very soon and they will become tumbling down...


Always miscalculating and oversimplifying issues. It's what brought us to this point in the first place. Its what started the unnecessary war.


I sometimes wonder how trup built his business empire. Maybe by trial and error!

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He had a huge headstart from his Father. Secondly he kept being fraudulent by declaring bankruptcy about five times. Thirdly with his position among the elite he had endless advantages and connections to stay up.

If you are broke today and all the richest people in this country are your friends believe me, you can be a billionaire again within one week.

No one can trust your words Oga.

benalvino3:
Nobody comes to Nigeria and overstays. They all regret the moment they step foot into the country. At best 2 people overstayed their visa 🤣

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You don't know jack.