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manduwem:
Cuz 9ja election dey pass game of thrones

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I swear.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid I do not subscribe to such spiritual mumbo jumbo. So, cannot help. I do not believe the Theory of Forms has anything to do with this sort of spiritual nonsense. 🥱🥱

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It certainly has a lot to do with it but perhaps you are limiting yourself to specific words. The idea of forms, in which there is a perfect form of everything is certainly well co-related to spiritual concepts of the physical being a reflection of the spiritual and the saying "as above so below" mirrored in occult teachings throughout history.

2. At death? What in the world? 😏😏

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You should be able to read allegories in diverse ways. Yes there is a potential symbolism of escape from the prizm of the physical and the world in leaving the cave to see real forms.

3. Minimizing the previous post brings focus to the more current where it should belong. 🥱

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Its an egoistic focus on yourself. The reader should be able to see both clearly.

18snazzy:
This was caught this morning in Emene Enugu alive, and the person that caught it wishes to sale the bird.

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Why was it "caught" is it a criminal or fugitive?

I cant see anything unreasonable there. Only issue is he ought to have ensured WC Qualification. Failure there is not the ideal time to demand a raise but everything he has requested is not only reasonable but should go without saying.

MaxInDHouse:
OK i forgot we don't share the same line of thought regarding discussing with strangers!

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Your point was that there is no point discussing with LordReed. That is not your call to make.

MaxInDHouse:
Is there any reason why you discuss with people?🤔

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Of course to share ideas and also to learn. Sometimes also for entertainment, news etc.

LordReed:
Nice one bro but its kinda of a gish gallop. The discussion on any of these points may need a thread by itself. Maybe you should break them up so we can discuss them 1 by 1.

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Pick one point to start with and we take it from there.

This list has a skewed idea of beauty.

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing about you is trying hard to convince a goat into thinking and acting like a sheep.

Three categories of people claiming they are atheists:


One~ Individuals who just don't want to do things that doesn't please them they only do things that makes them feel on top so even though their actions affects others negatively they want to believe its the best thing as long as they are on top.
These are the real atheists and for your information they strongly believe that its weakness that makes people think of being nice so they only please themselves no matter who gets hurt to them that makes them tough therefore they will say:
"life is about the survival of the fittest and not survival of the nicest"

Two~ Individuals who gets pissed off due to the atrocities committed by leaders of false religions so they always boil inside them anytime the title "GOD" or the word "HOLY BOOK" is mentioned because they believe it's nothing but scam.

Three~ Individuals who don't understand how faith works so they continue arguing anytime faith in God is discussed though they love to be good and also want good people around them.

So when chatting with anyone try to figure out where such a person belongs first otherwise you will be wasting your precious time talking to a brick.🙂

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How does this corelate with this thread?

Kobojunkie:
Now you have lost me completely! 🥱🥱🥱

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I think one may also see in it how the physical world is a mere reflection (shadow) of the spiritual world (outside the cave).
"As above so below."

And how at death we may step outside that cave into the light of reality.

Just thoughts - I am agnostic to these things.

BTW why do you insist on making posts you quote into smaller font?

Kayouzka:
More of what I am trying to explain

That part of illusion like I said is that
"In as much as the world is govern by cause and effect the fundamental nature of reality is an illusion"
Because reality is subject
A bat reality is different from a human in terms of how it observes the world

While the object are illusions
Objects are illusion due to there fundamental nature

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I understand you well thats why I mentioned you.

Kobojunkie:
Did you bother reading the passage of 1 Chronicles 29 vs 15 before attempting to equate it to that which is Plato's Allegory of the Cave at all? 🥱🥱
The passage says nothing of the world being a shadow, but rather describes our fleeting time on earth as a shadow traveling through the world like those who came before us did.🥱🥱

May I suggest you re-read Plato's Allegory of the Cave? Why? Because your insistence that it suggests the world is a mere shadow or reflection, leaves me wondering what in the world you are on about. Plato's idea does not describe the world but rather people and how our perception of reality/truth is influenced by our state or what it is that holds influence over our minds. 🥱🥱🥱

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nHj3gL_JN0?si=KJ9HOpg-SuUAkMcF
While some suggest a connection to the theory of forms, this particular allegory focuses on the human mind and its perception of truth.

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I hear you, but I was only drawing analogies and not in any case using those examples as facts. And those analogies stand.
I think you may want to dig deeper on Plato's allegory though. It has strong spiritual existential undertones.

Dear LordReed, following our discussion on this thread.

I promised to open a new thread to specifically discuss the idea that we live in a simulation.

So here goes.

Let me start by saying that the idea that the world is a mere "shadow" or "reflection" of a kind is an old one in history, philosophy and indeed religion. Plato's Allegory of the Cave springs to mind in this regard, where he describes a scenario where some men are imprisoned in a cave all their lives and only ever see the shadows of real beings passing by outside the cave.

Plato’s Allegory of the Cave describes a group of prisoners chained in a dark cavern, facing a wall where they see only the shadows of objects carried before a fire behind them. Having known nothing else, they mistake these flickering silhouettes for reality itself. When one prisoner is freed and dragged into the sunlight, he is initially blinded and pained by the brilliance of the true world, eventually realizing that the Sun is the source of all life and truth, while the cave was merely a dim reflection. However, upon returning to the cave to enlighten his peers, he is mocked and rejected, as the prisoners prefer the comfort of their familiar illusions over the difficult ascent toward objective knowledge.
---Culled.

Indeed the same idea of the illusory nature of the world is ubiquitous in religion as well. The Holy Quran describes the world as a shadow. Al-Hadid Surah 57:20. And so does the Holy Bible - 1 Chronicles 29:15.

The Question of Reality

Now the question is just how "real" our reality is. At this juncture I would like to correct your notion of illusion. You should note that even a hallucination has some reality to the extent that it is an experience. Even a video game has some reality to the extent that it is experienced. Thus it seems to me that when you place the test as asking one to jump off a building and see the result, you are missing the point. That we are having an experience in this world of some kind or the other is beyond cavil, the question is just how substantial in reality that experience is. For me, it is clear that we cannot proceed without establishing what we mean by something that is properly real.

The definition I work with is something that exists in substance by itself as opposed to something which is only put on: as opposed to a set of images, feeling or sounds which are cast before the experiencer merely to experience and which can be removed in the same way as one may wake from a dream, or one may remove a VR Headset, or one may come out of a video game or a movie or the like. It is my contention that this life is similar to a contrived set of experiences cast before us but lacking in the substantiality of its own base realness.

You have to ask yourself, for the day is surely coming, when Virtual Reality technology will be so advanced as to be completely indistinguishable from our reality - you have to ask yourself if such VR experiences will thus be "real." You see, in such VR experiences there will still be cause and effect just as jumping from a building and falling down, and you could even be made to feel pain therein.

Now, let us examine the fundamental argument for Simulation Theory.

Simulation Theory

What is Simulation Theory?

Simulation theory is the philosophical and scientific hypothesis that our entire reality—including the universe, Earth, and all conscious beings—is actually an artificial construct, such as a highly advanced computer program. Rooted in Nick Bostrom's 2003 "Simulation Argument," the theory suggests that if a civilization achieves the "post-human" stage of technological maturity, they would likely have the computing power to run "ancestor simulations" indistinguishable from reality; therefore, statistically, it is more probable that we are living in one of many simulated environments rather than in the original "base" reality.
----Culled.

Think about the above. It is logically sound and rationally consistent. The statistical likelihood of us living in what would be "base reality" is close to zero. This is something that many serious thinkers understand and acknowledge and thus I wondered at the slight edge of mockery with which you seemed to be approaching the subject in the other thread.

As argued by Philosopher Nick Bostrom: If any civilization eventually develops the power to run "ancestor simulations," they will likely run millions of them. This means there would be millions of "fake" realities and only one "real" one, making the odds that we are in the original "Base Reality" about one in a billion.

Other Arguments for a Simulated Reality

Binary Code: In the other thread, I showed you the discovery of binary code in the background of our physical universe. You and others have interpreted it to mean that the scientist was merely describing reality using binary code. This is not the case at all. The reason that there is that binary code similarity is because he actually saw in the base background of the physical universe repeating patterns in binary form. The fact that he then describes them as such does not take away from the fact that those patterns exist. Dr. James Gates Jnr explained that he found "doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block codes" embedded in the theoretical equations that describe the universe.

But beyond this, let me extract for you other key arguments -

Beyond the binary code discovery by Dr. James Gates, the most prominent scientific argument for a programmed reality comes from the field of Digital Physics, specifically centered on the idea of Computational Efficiency. The strongest suggestion today isn't a single "smoking gun" like a line of code, but rather a series of "coincidences" in physics that mirror how we optimize modern video games.

1. Quantum "Lazy Rendering" (The Observer Effect) In high-end video games, the computer doesn't render the entire world at once; it only "draws" the room the player is currently in to save processing power. Physicists like Max Tegmark and Nick Bostrom point out that the Observer Effect in quantum mechanics works exactly like this. A particle exists in a blurry state of "probability" (the wave function) until someone looks at it, at which point it "collapses" into a definite state.
----Culled.

The Double Slit Experiment

This here is where I bring in the double slit experiment. I was shocked to my bone that you claimed it had nothing to do with consciousness. The experiment is well known to have unveiled the way outcomes change based on whether there is conscious observation or not. Your arguments about instruments are neither here nor there for always the instruments were only aids for observation by conscious beings. And it remains puzzling till this day how that "observer effect" works out in quantum physics. However it strongly suggests that our reality is only rendered before us upon observation and thus that it is not intrinsically there - thereby destroying your claim on object permanence. And yes sir, I say this as an adult and not a child and the scientists who discovered all these were not children either.

The object permanence you observe is obviously a built in factor of the program, just as if you store something somewhere in a video game, you will return to meet it there when you log in. This does not mean that the thing was anywhere there or anywhere in fact while you were logged out. It was not.

I will post separately on the double slit experiment in order to nail the point that conscious observation was central to outcomes and this alone hammers home the point that this reality is an artificial construct.

2. The Universe's "Pixel Rate" (The Planck Scale) In a digital world, you can only zoom in so far before you hit a pixel—a minimum unit of space. In our universe, there is a theoretical "smallest" possible length called the Planck Length.T he Sim Argument: If the universe were truly "natural" and analog, you should be able to divide space infinitely. The fact that there is a hard "resolution limit" suggests our reality may be discrete (made of bits) rather than continuous.
----Culled.

This is why I mentioned how our reality is pixelated. Zooming in one can see that it is so constructed in bits. This again is a pointer.

3. The "Processor Speed" (The Speed of Light) Just as a computer processor has a maximum clock speed that limits how fast information can travel across a circuit board, our universe has a universal speed limit: the speed of light.

4. The Mathematical Universe Hypothesis: Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at MIT, argues for the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (MUH). He notes that the deeper we look into reality, the more the "physical" stuff disappears, leaving only mathematical structures behind. The Argument: If you look at a video game character, they look like a person, but they are actually just a collection of numbers and equations. Tegmark argues that since our universe is perfectly described by math, it may literally be a mathematical structure (or a program) rather than a physical thing that math just happens to describe.
-----Culled.

Let me leave these as my opening arguments on this matter. Further down the line I will introduce other arguments, some may be scientific but beware that I will also dive into the metaphysical and philosophical in discussing this matter.

But before I close this post I must comment on your argument that there doesn't exist enough energy to create the simulation that is our world. Are you telling me that you know the sum total of all energy available in the universe or even all reality? I pointed out to you not only that it is impossible for a being within any given reality to know the level of energy it takes to render that reality, it cannot possibly even know the kind of energy.

It surprised me that this was lost on you because it is as simple as saying you cannot assess or access what is outside your universe, or can you? It is utterly impossible and inconceivable.

One thing for sure is that we are experiencing this reality be it real or artificial so somehow or the other sufficient energy exists to have presented it. The trouble with your supposition is that the particular calculations of scientists in terms of how they would believe a virtual reality such as this can be rendered must be the way it is in fact done, which is nothing but ridiculous assumption.

Over to you for now.

cc: OurTruth, SporaD8, Kayouzka, triplechoice,

LordReed:
I found the paper

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physics/articles/10.3389/fphy.2025.1561873/full#s5

This link takes you straight to the conclusion but you can scroll up to go through the rest of it. It's a well written and engaging paper but if you read nothing else in it please read all of the conclusion.

I must humble brag that I reached my conclusion of the astronomical energy cost before I even knew this paper existed.

Found where I said it in 2019



This paper is 2025.

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No being within any reality can say what energy is required to create or sustain that reality and this is indisputable.

Very busy day but hopefully tomorrow will do my thread. And revert.

Jakumo:
These Islamist gunmen roam the entire hinterland of Nigeria, often on foot, so the more of them that are sent to paradise to collect their allocations of 72 in northern Nigeria's drone-targeted zones, the fewer of the vampires will show up to wreak mayhem in the south of Nigeria.

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Do you know how long American troops had been in Niger before the 2023 coup?

Over a decade.

I rest.

Jakumo:
Notice that the stick impacts are aimed at the HEAD of the captured victim. This type of prolonged torture usually continues until the victim loses consciousness from the pain and shock, at which point the assailants commit another murder.

These are the sadistic savages that American forces are on Nigerian soil to surgically destroy, one drone-strike at a time, so the usual "America has a motive" crew that whine and moan about those US boots on Nigerian soil, would do best to kindly refrain from expressing their lame arguments in this discussion thread.

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Seems their concentration will be in the North. I find it hard to see any such help stopping an event like this in Ekiti State.

Not that I believe their intervention anywhere is going to accomplish anything as you know.

LabStores:
Found dead?
Okay

FORNICATION AND ADULTERY HAVE GRAVE CONSEQUENCES...

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Sure you intended no pun.

LordReed:
Have you seen how the illusion of the woman sawed in 2 works? Can you ever now believe she was in any danger? If you know this world is an illusion how can you ever be in any danger likewise?

You are not a dumdum because I know you have thought about these things unlike some of these clowns regurgitating nonsense.

Bring it on bruv, I am waiting.

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Morning able sire. I have a tasking day but it will be the highlight of my day. I think it's very interesting.

Your use of the word "illusion" though, seems out of sync with what we are talking about. I will explain.

tctrills:
If you mention the top 10,0000 problems of Nigeria, citizens who de-market their country would not be on the list. Nigeria has failed almost all its citizens, so don't blame them if they are not so excited about promoting a failed state.

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Bros how na

Ezyp:
Relax Germany don cast. Factories are closing down

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Factories closing down is different from quality and expertise.

LordReed:
Yup. We need just one person to break the illusion. Jumping down a 16 storey building with no safety device and landing unhurt will totally show us the illusory nature of this world.

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Why must he land unhurt to prove it? Why exactly must be be unhurt if the program is so set already that such an action will result in you being hurt? With due respect sir, this particular argument of yours makes me wary because it strongly suggests to me that you are not prepared for the discussion.

But I betting neither you or the dumdum who brought this up have any way to demonstrate that this is the case. If you are a betting man we can put a million bucks on it. You have no way of showing objectively that this world is any illusion, prove me wrong.

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It might be that I am also a dumdum like him.

However, rest assured, I will let you have all my thoughts in structured form. Some of the questions I am asking you are random. Don't presume too much from them.

I will, as is my wont, start from philosophy and certain historical pointers before I move to the science and I will urge you to take everything into consideration.

LordReed:
I'll be surprised if we haven't discussed Mandela Effect before. Yes I have looked into it and it is not that deep. People misremember things all the time. We barely even remember the sequence of clothes we wore last week.

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Its a little more than mis-remembering things, and they way you have phrased it makes me ponder if you have gone well into the subject before.

LordReed:
It is still a solipsism trap because you are saying if one player is in one room and the other player is in a different room then the rooms they are respectively not in do not render for them. It is patently absurd. We learn object permanence before we are out of kindergarten. I can't believe any grown up will use this as a point in a debate. C'mon man.

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It might be that I am a child. We will discuss in the thread I create.
Object permanence? I think you are the one who needs to dig deeper. We shall talk.

I have highlighted the bold because it shows something very simple which you have confused yourself about. Till the morrow.

SixSeven:
You still need the paper trail but the reason why we are transmitting it is that the timestamp of the transmitted copy serves as full protection for the numbers and when they compare this to the paper copy, they can tell if it has been manipulated.

By now INEC should have a system that can tabulate the results PU by PU, ward by ward and LG by LG. It is 2027 for God sake. This was the disingenuous thing Reno Omokri avoided. He claimed the US stations can tell their own results but he didn't tell us why and how they could. The TV stations don't manufacture results. They can all read from a portal publicly available. That's why they can tell the results before the electoral body there officially declares the results. This is why Jonathan could concede even before Mr Jega had finished the exercise. APC just wants to rig, simple

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Fair analysis.
I was just responding to the chap trying to clam printing will be expensive.

Hemanwel:
We can all see Singapore appear multiple times on the list. Here is a country which was underdeveloped like Nigeria, It was a third-world country...because she had a visionary leader at some point in her nationhood, she has left Nigeria behind in every positive index of development.

I am very sure if they were talking about unfortunate metrics, Nigeria would have appeared ten times.

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Please stop comparing a city to a country.

Godfullsam:
England absent from all indices. Russia and Germany too.

Nigeria is not alone

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Germany makes best machines I don't care what anyone says.

Lai lai. Best food is one of the following -

1. France (E get why)
2. India (spices) - And on spices no one who has not been to the spice market in Zanzibar should comment.
3. Japan (healthy foods)
4. Mexico and the generality of Latin America
5. The generality of black Africa.

However I am only half serious. Food is a question of personal taste. No one can dictate what's best for another.

LordReed:
It would to me.

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Oh come on!

To disprove the illusory nature of the world, once a person experiences cause and effect that's it?

There is cause and effect even in video games for heavens sake!

LordReed:
I see those as solipsistic traps because you are assuming the other humans are not experiencing their own environments without you.

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Nope, that assumption doesn't factor. That's like saying another game player is not experiencing his immediate game environment without you.

Small question, have you heard of the Mandela Effect?

Gotocourt:
Why wasting money on printing papers which is bulky and expensive 🤷🏿

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Doing it immediately after voting should not involve paper.

Dekadet:
Nairaland should find a way to create an option to ban some people from threads. Our truth please where are you, don't mind these guys that love to hear themselves talk, come back and finish. Thanks

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But we are discussing the topic he raised. Simulation Theory.

LordReed:
Yeah right. Jump off a 16 storey building unaided by any safety device, walk away unhurt then I'll believe you that this world is an illusion.

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This is NOT what it takes to confirm that the world is an illusion.