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Verses that contradict the idea that Jesus could have died for our sins.

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (Deuteronomy 24:16).

Everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge (Jeremiah 31:30).

The one who sins is the one who will die (Ezekiel 18:4).

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musicwriter:
Flawless my foot!

1). No one has ever seen God (1 John 4:12).

Contradiction:
The Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend (Exodus 33:11).

No man has seen or can see God (1 Timothy 6:16).

Contradiction:
The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day (Genesis 18:1).

2). There is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins (Ecclesiastes 7:20).

Contradiction:
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright (Job 1:1)

3). All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).

Contradiction:
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9)

4). The women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples (Matthew 28: 8 )

When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others (Luke 24:9)

Contradiction:
Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid. (Mark 16: 8 )

5). I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you (Genesis 17:7)

Contradiction:
The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. (Hebrews 8:6–13)

6). If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9)

Contradiction:
Not everyone who says to me, ''Lord, Lord,'' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven Matthew 7:21.

7). For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Contradiction:
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done (Matthew 16:27).

. If you make the Most High your dwelling—even the LORD, who is my refuge—then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. (Psalm 91:5–10)

2 contradictions:
Like a servant who earnestly desires the shade, and like a hired man who eagerly looks for his wages, so I have been allotted months of futility, and wearisome nights have been appointed to me (Job 7:2:3)

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. (1 Peter 4:12–13)

9). I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me (Exodus 20:5).

3 Contradictions.
Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (Deuteronomy 24:16).

Everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge (Jeremiah 31:30).

The one who sins is the one who will die (Ezekiel 18:4).

(10). Make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).

3 Contradictions:
Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

Jesus sent out the twelve disciples with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.'' Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 10:5–6)

No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of Jehovah, not even in the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3).

READ THE BIBLE CAREFULLY, IT'S FULL OF CONTRADICTS. I don't even want to talk out outright lies in the Bible because that's completely off you

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Thanks for this. I will pick three verses there for another thread where I will mention you.

raumdeuter:
None of these nations and empires did their reach spread to the world. How many got to South America got to the far east

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As far as empires go, the USA has never had any tangible empire especially compared to Britain which had the largest and most expansive empire in history covering all continents.

Are you this unschooled?

Nwaikpe:
Come on, guys!


You guys are falling into the Iranians' hands.
Is Iran that weak that they celebrate the downing of two aircraft after a one-month war, as a victory?

Iraq, which didn't make as much noise as Iran, could shake off up to 436 soldiers.
But we are talking about Iran, which has made so much noise, but at this point, America could go into their territory, pick up their soldiers, and leave with only losing some rescue crafts.

Come on! That is low.

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Nonsense.

raumdeuter:
What is the greatest country ever?

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Any of Egypt, Rome (Empire of), Greece, Persia, and possibly Britain (Empire of) may be considered.

In Nigeria you are, any riot when elections get rigged, when there is oppression why is it that its the US embassy you tag, why dont you tag any of these beacon of good and promoters of world peace

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Nonsense.

Nigerians are being killed its the US president who spoke about it, where are those beacon of good to do the same?

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He also talked about saving the Iranian people - how far with that project since he now threatens to bomb them to the stone age?
What has his intervention in Nigeria achieved so far, aside from the bombing that did zilch?

Venezuela nko? Cuba nko?

raumdeuter:
The American fighter jet pilot has been rescued from behind enemy lines

Thats the military that uninformed people like nateevs was saying is down and diminished

God bless the United States. The greatest country ever

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The US is not the greatest country ever. Also it has become a beacon of evil and a threat to world peace as it has an insatiable appetite for blood to feed its military contractors.

TV01:
He says! Why exactly?



TV

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What was it you wrote on the other thread that was deleted.

TV01, try and for once be scholarly. I tend to relate better with studious and scholarly people or responses.
Not with ill-thought-out, shallow and lazy words put out as though scribbled by a chicken.

TV01:
How for do we have to be removed from this history for this kind of threat to be completely enervated? Is it a forever thing? I watched the video - the brother in question did not bat an eyelid, just continued making his case. Not sure he requires someone living in the backside of iyana-ipaja to advise him of his victim status .


Please sir, since you associated the term "weight" to this and even went as far as to say "specific", could you kindly quantify exactly what this weight is. How it specifically affects, or is supposed to affect individual Africa-Americans? Does it lead to mental or physical distress of some kind? If so, what are the symptoms - and the medical interventions required? Should there be legal redress?

One of the hallmarks of your narrative/discussive style is the ability to search far up your fundament and pull out notions that are at best ill-considered, and usually just inane (only matched by your propensity for dodging questions .

Likewise the "moral evolution" bloviate you spouted earlier . If it exists, what precipitates it? My learned friend, it takes zero competence to stand you on your head - just a read of your headache-inducing babble .


TV

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Empty vain vacuous piffle.
You owe me a proper response.

BadBradley:
People don't really get it, if the story is true, the priest is complicit.

No matter the level of demon possession in a woman , she just doesn't send her nudes to her priest without feeling the man is into that kind of stuffz either through utterances or rumours.

The priest also said she wasn't the only one. From that kind of deflective talk , he's into that kind of stuff.

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Wisdom.

Lovelink1991:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAUYjcuRmRA?si=wqm7gTWgKwWKzcDa

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Why curse her family?

That's unchristian.

Anyways, who even knows if what he is saying is true.

basilico:
I like the way you are being hammered 😄😄😄😄

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TV01 is not competent to hammer me.
And look at you, once you were given a sort of challenging post on DEI you ran away and forever went silent.

Putindbutt:
Bro, I dey pity some people in advance after the election. It's only God that can keep them because the height of their h8te and bitterness no be here.

Putindbutt:
You just dropped another knife🔪 inside the hearts of Bitter people. This is the season of their high blood pressure.

God bless Nigeria.

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Do you ever stop to think about the height of hunger this govt has foisted on poor Nigerians?

No you don't. Everything to you is a matter of tribal war.

Hunger knows no tribe. Poverty knows no tribe.

The sad truth is that the USA and Israel have become the axis of evil in today's world.

Together they are a threat to global peace, human rights and stability.

donleo92:
I shaa no want military rule ooooh

Na like this e dey start,

If you be student of history

One morning military fit just come take over PDP and APC secretariate.. say them don dis party everybody

The politicians way dey, go start to they run with their families to outside country, na we common man, go come they dey do frog jump under hot sun

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Well said and the political class have learnt nothing. They are playing dangerous games that can lead to disaster for the country.

chopnaira:
There would be several others. e.g Sowore and co. What you won't have is former pdp and apc parading themselves as new Nigeria.

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For heavens sake. So you really imagine those micro parties being the only opposition will make for a legitimate election?

Cherrybae:
I will advice Atiku, Obi, Amaechi, Tambuwal to approach Wike, negotiate with wike , and return to PDP.

PDP remains the only strong party that can rival APC.

With the kind of good heart wike has. I'm sure he will work with them.

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Good heart?
Madam you love jokes!

Vision101:
You talk as if you own Nigeria. Your people are shopping for another party. Why are they always shopping and not owning? They lack conflict resolution ability for an institution as small as political party but they want us to hand over Nigeria's complex problem for them to resolve.

Can you see the difference between the management of the same APC under Buhari and the matured and sound management of the party under Tinubu?

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They don't lack any conflict management skills. That same Tinubu is the one using Federal might and money to scatter them and chase them from place to place.

In PDP he used Wike.
In LP, Lamidi Apapa/ Arabambi and that hat wearing fellow, can't remember his name.

In NNPP, he has used the Governor of Kano.

He has frustrated and chased the opposition about. It's about him. And he is doing same to ADC.

He will still hound them wherever they go and fighting a Federal corrupt purse is not easy for anyone.

johntolu:
Wike will not allow them in his party.
He may probably allow his brother, Amaechi to return to PDP as a fellow Ikwerre man

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Lol. They will return to PDP that is going to field Tinubu right? Jokes.

mach7:
This simply shows how unserious the so-called "opposition" is at managing issues and overcoming challenges.

To imagine that these guys want to be president, but can not anticipate preventable missteps or even preempt the ruling parties' strategy is just plainly criminal. How will they manage Nigeria's problem if they can't manage ordinary party affairs?

Obi - failed in managing LP, ran away.
Atiku - failed in managing PDP, ran away.
Kwankwaso - failed in managing NNPP, ran away.
Amaechi - suffered PTSD post primaries in APC, ran away.

Bunch of jokers.....None of them are fit to be president.

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If you are honest you will easily identify the common denominator who instigated all the "running away" you listed above. One common denominator. If your are sincere.

OriOko88:
Why can't they form a new party from scratch now?? Any partythey move to now will also experience factional issues engineer by the APC. Mk then create a new party entirely now

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It will not be registered on time. They actually tried that already. Didn't work out.

TonyeBarcanista:
NDC? That will be suicidal.

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Why?

IjeBos:
Raundeuter's party
Definitely not a racist party. /s

"YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHED!!" FL Governor Candidate CRASHES OUT on Black Man in HEATED CONFRONTATION!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TeAtroPi14

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People like benalvino3 and raumdeuter do not understand that certain words and certain things carry a specific connotation in America. Example, the N word. It is meaningless in Nigeria or even among most black people generally. But used by a white person in a derogatory way to a black person it has historical weight.

In this same way, the threat "you should be lynched" has a specific historical weight when used against a black man in America in that way. This is the same way our friends here fail to understand the significance of depicting a black couple as apes.

TV01:
Deepsight here's your weekend portion


You claim that Christians rejecting slavery is evolution. A "moral evolution" that takes them away from the "slavery" you insist the bible endorses. Fine, let's work with that. If this moral evolution as you term it took place, it was either as a result of their faith or their culture - and all that entails - which led to the subsequent civilisational progress.

Could you please show evidence of that same "moral evolution" in moose.slim countries or jurisdictions - slavery is clearly embedded in their texts and they only "legally" ceased trading under threat of war - as recently as 1960 or thereabouts (you can still buy black people in those parts).

And lest I be accused of singling out moose.slims, please show where\when\how this moral evolution took place in your country? Where and when amongst the cultures or religions was it changed? I stand to be corrected, but there is nothing I can find?

Surely this ME would also encompass human sacrifice, blood offerings, money rituals etc. All of which are still rampant. Or, are they not as bad as slavery, which also still is.

Or perhaps you are just claiming the countries\nations\peples whith historic Judeo-Christian backgrounds are better . I an't callin' nobody "House N" or "Uncle R", just saying


TV

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I gave you a link where we should take this topic to, I saw that you posted there but were banned? I will take this there and respond there. At this point we are not talking American Politics per se.

raumdeuter:
1. Immigration - What exactly do you agree or disagree on with immigration? Does a country have the right to limit the amount or type of people that come into their country? Is it okay if 20m, or 200m immigrant enter the country. Is it okay to allow people whose ideology are opposite the country and actually hate it?

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Of course every country has not only the right but also the duty to watch its borders carefully. And as per the bold, I have said several times that Europe should be careful about the extent to which it absorbs Islam. Because the liberties hard won by Europe through centuries of bloodshed will be lost in a heartbeat in the day that Europe has a Muslim majority.

However the issue about immigration I personally have vis-a-vis MAGA is the simple reality that Trump has made it clear that he only wants white immigrants. America is a nation of immigrants, this is indubitable. It should not adopt a racist approach to immigration. I know you will deny there is a racist approach in Trump's approach but there is. That is why he will tell lies about white genocide in SA and seek to remove Haitians who came there legally slurring them with eating pets for example. Aside from this he has openly said he will prefer white immigrants from Nordic countries.

2. What is the white nationalism policy under Trump? Give examples

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I said white Christian Nationalism, and its real.

I extract -

Gemini said
Recent reports and studies from early 2026 highlight a significant trend in the intersection of religious and political identity in the United States. Analysts and civil rights organizations have documented what they describe as an increasingly visible alignment between "White Christian Nationalism" and the current political landscape.

Below are key resources and summaries of recent findings:

1. The PRRI 2026 Report
The Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) released a major study on March 31, 2026, titled "New Report Sheds Light on the Growing Threat of Christian Nationalism."

Key Finding: Nearly one-third of Americans now qualify as Christian nationalist "adherents" or "sympathizers," an increase since 2022.

Regional Concentration: Support is highest in the South and Midwest, with states like Arkansas, Mississippi, and West Virginia showing support rates exceeding 50%.

Link to Policy: The report notes a strong correlation between these views and support for policies such as ending birthright citizenship and the "Great Replacement Theory."

Source: Interfaith Alliance Analysis of PRRI 2026 Report

2. Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) Dispatches
The SPLC’s Intelligence Project has been tracking the "Hard Right" throughout early 2026, documenting how religious rhetoric is used to frame political goals.

March 2026 Dispatch: Highlights the use of "biblical" justification for government policies and the framing of political opponents as "the Godless left."

February 2026 Dispatch: Documents incidents such as anti-immigrant protests where organizers declared "America is a Christian country" to galvanize support and fundraising.

Source: SPLC March 2026 Intelligence Report

3. "Project 2025" and Beyond
Academic and journalistic reviews from late 2025 and 2026 have analyzed the long-term impact of Project 2025, a blueprint designed to infuse federal governance with Christian nationalist principles.

The Goal: Critics argue the initiative seeks to "suffuse Christian nationalism across the entire federal government," dismantling diversity efforts and centering "traditionalist social hierarchies."

Impact on Democracy: Research suggests these ideologies often view religious diversity as a "hindrance to national unity."

Source: Kettering Foundation: How Christian Nationalism Weakens Democracy

4. Scholarly Analysis of "American Christian Nationalism" (ACN)
The Journal of Futures Studies published a comprehensive analysis in January 2026 regarding the ascent of ACN as a systematized form of religious nationalism.

Dominionism: The study identifies "charismatic dominionism" as a key strand that seeks to subordinate society to specific interpretations of biblical law.

Militant Iconography: Recent reporting also points to the rise of "militant masculinity" within this movement, viewing political struggles as "cosmic battles."

Source: American Christian Nationalism - Journal of Futures Studies

3. What exactly is Trumps policy on abortion? Or what has Trump in the last one year done about abortion. Give specifics

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You asked me what I agree with the left on, not what I disagree with Trump on. I agree with the general position of the left that women must have the right to decide on matters to do with their bodies. Furthermore, i wholly support abortion in cases of rape or abuse in unusual scenarios - e.g: a girl is impregnated by her father. There are many other legitimate scenarios. However let me just say that personally, from a spiritual point of view, I am not really comfortable with abortions beyond the first trimester except for medical reasons such as the life of the mother being at stake. This is because there is a thin line when one must begin to consider that the growing foetus has started becoming human.

4. What right of women have been taken away in the past 16months under Trump, Mention specifics

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Again, you are talking about Trump when the question was what I agree with the left on. The left is far more open to women's rights and women's empowerment. As I said the other day, it is not an accident that the Dems are the ones who have provided two female candidates for president and one female vice president.

5. DEI. I have explained what DEI does in the past 3 days. Why should there be DEI policies, when you should only seek out the best of the best regardless of race, sex, religion

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I explained exhaustively my position on DEI and Affirmative Action here -

https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/5855

6. CRT. What is CRT and what value does it add to the society that is should be a govt policy

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Critical Race Theory which the right and Trumpists ignorantly rail against is an academic theory about the economic impact of racism over long periods right from slavery to Jim Crowe to Segregation etc.

7. Trump has a Gay man in his cabinet. Scott Bessent is Gay and no one cares. Trump officially recognize 2 genders and Trans cannot serve in the military. Also Trump signed that you cannot project it to minors nor transition them. Which of these are you against

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I have told you that LGBTQ issues are the only area where I find some agreement with Trump and where I think he has taken a rational position.

budaatum:
In a weird funny sense he can actually be right, since Native Americans are not "birth right citizens", but citizens, period.

But he of course has to go think about it so he does not shoot his own foot.

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That's the thing!

But that it's a subject at all is telling!

raumdeuter:
Me sef laugh

One thing about deepsight is that is a little more honest that the average liberal here

BTW he refused to answer some questions I posed to him yesterday about being a liberal vs being a conservative

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Pls send me the link again so I don't have to search long.

raumdeuter:
When will Iran do tit for tat with their political and military leaders?

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Obviously they don't have that capacity.

raumdeuter:
Where is the tit for tat in the leadership taking out. Rather its apartment and hotels

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No it's not just apartments and hotels. You are being dishonest.

In terms of retaliation, Iran has conducted the following strikes:

​Regional Base Attacks: Iran launched multiple missile waves against U.S. military bases across the Middle East, specifically targeting facilities in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, and the UAE.
​Coalition Infrastructure: Strikes were conducted against UK bases in Cyprus and Arab states that host U.S. forces.

​Economic Retaliation: * Strait of Hormuz: Iran effectively shut down the strait, halting global shipping.

​Energy Sites: Targeted oil and gas facilities in Saudi Arabia and a water desalination plant in Kuwait.

​Direct Combat (April 2026):

​April 3, 2026: Iranian state media claimed the downing of two U.S. aircraft, including an A-10 Thunderbolt II near the Strait of Hormuz, during ongoing U.S. strikes on Iranian infrastructure.

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Information culled.

raumdeuter:
What is tit for tat here? They are taking out Iranian leadership while Israel and US leadership are walking around

Abi Chinese and Russians no get their locations ni na hotel and apartment location dem get

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Why are you always so one dimensional. There have been several tit for tat attacks very precise. That's a fact.

All the American bases they have attacked are random abi. Stop being silly.

raumdeuter:
This is from yahoo news that they are bombing Israeli apartments
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/iranian-cluster-bomb-hits-apartment-231320421.html

They are bombing hotels in Dubai Qatar even threatening the Burj and tourist places

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/iran-attacks-rock-dubais-palm-burj-al-arab-airport/article70690535.ece

That is thw sign of desperation. Do you think US or Israel do not know how to do random bombing of civilian places and if they decide to go that route how many bodies will we be talking about today

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There is nothing random. They have been doing it for tat bombings for example.

It's clear Russian and China are helping with locations, information and intelligence.

JuanDeDios:
Right.

Might add that Stalin was no real freedom fighter. From street thug to secretary-general, he was a cynic from the start.

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Yes. Just rode the coat tails of Lenin. I agree. The point can be made like some have argued that a Bola was always similar as a cynic.

He is also suspected of being an American asset.