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tctrills:
You last point here is just being childish. So if Trump calls it a conflict, he has all powers to continue but once it calls it a war, he loses legitimacy? Let's get serious for once.

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No you misunderstand me. I specifically said "stylishly" and "fraudulently" to show you that they were cutting corners and still acting illegally.

QuinQQ:
There are necessary wars and there are unnecessary wars. See above, what a very popular secretary of state said about the Iran war. Many others have expressed same sentiment

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What are you on about, the global consensus is that this was an unnecessary war of choice.
This is why allies are refusing to join.

tctrills:
Now, let's learn,
Under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, the US President has the power to start a war for 2 months (60 days) and extend it by a month (30 days) before involving Congress.
Since WW2, Congress has not declared any war. Not Vietnam, South Korea, not the Gulf War 1 & 2, not Afghanistan, and not in Libya.
Now, who is making the outright false statements with confidence? Some of us know these things.

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And everyone knows what happened in places like Korea and Vietnam was illegal.

The War Powers Act does not supersede the constitution. The War Powers Act is a statute meant to regulate the President's use of force; it cannot overrule the Constitution, which remains the ultimate source of Congress's power to declare war. In fact -

1. The President must consult with Congress "in every possible instance" before introducing troops into hostilities.

2. The President must submit a report to Congress within 48 hours of deploying forces.

In the present case, the President himself has called this a war. This in itself is enough to show that his actions are unconstitutional.

PS: Korea was stylishly called a "conflict" and some other cases have been fraudulently called "police action" or something similar.

tctrills:
Let me explain what you are saying, you are taking away responsibility from others as you always do. You are blaming the US even when Muslims kill their fellow Muslims.

Again you have shown that you don't know what happened in Syria. It's the opposite of what you are claiming. Obama refused to bring in the US directly. That was why Asad and his russian friends were able to crush the resistance and that also led to the rise of ISIS.
Again, an Al Qaeda Chieftain taking power shows that the US did not interfere as you think. And it also shows great maturity that they can work with a formal enemy and invite him to the white house.

To your second point, Yes there is a historic pattern of great nations invading weaker nations but we can't get too lazy. We must look at each through its own Len.

Under the American law, Trump was completely in line. He broke no laws in declaring war on Iran without Congress and without his global partners. He needed the element of surprise and not bureaucracy.

Lastly, you seem to know very little about the
negotiation. If it was going as well as you claim, why was it extended twice without anything agreed upon? Please, let's use our brains here. Can you mention one thing from your Oman sources that was agreed on? Give me just one, I am listening.

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I hate it when people make outrightly false statements with confidence. Look at the bold. That is just the opposite of the law in the the USA. Congress holds the power to declare war, the sole power, the president can only take the actions he has taken where there is an imminent threat and even then, after acting, he has to revert to congress.

What kind of imminent threat against the USA EXISTED? NONE!
What kind of imminent threat in the middle of on-going negotiations?

pdata:
Okay sir, but tell me one Islam nation with nuclear weapon, would you trust this people that claimed girl child shouldn't go to school (this is no jokes it is happening) Would you trust a country that killed all protesters agitating for their simple human right in Iran (this one happened just very recently.

The massive bombing that happened in Maiduguri this week , do you think if the Muslim network have nuclear weapon they wouldn't rather use it on the northern part of Nigeria instead of killing them small small?. Some Muslim would argue that they are not a real Muslim but they are not a Christian at all !!!!!.

A country that shots bomb at neighboring country's residential area just to get back at USA and Israel (is that the country you want to allow to have nuclear weapon?). If Iran has nuclear weapons, they would have used it sinceeeeee. At least other countries use it to guide but these Islamist are real psyco bro!!. Believe me, I was a Muslim, a devoted one and I can assure you something is not right with that religion. I'm glad I left but even while I was there something in my subconscious always revote the religion . I'm from a Muslim home and believe me till today I can't still tell my own family that I'm now a full Christian, trust me bro they could kill me or outcast me.

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No one will use a nuclear weapon because they know for sure there will be equal retaliation with nuclear weapons.
At least no state actor would.

tctrills:
Oh, I am completely against the US invading Iraq. It was unnecessary. But unlike you, I judge each event on its own merits.

Again, the US did not kill millions in Iraq as you guys claim. In fact, it's a lazy Gen z claim.

The most outlier studies estimate 1 million deaths and only about 35% were attributed to the coalition forces.

Most of the deaths were Arab Muslims killing fellow Arab Muslims. Militias and insurgents killing their fellow Muslims just like the Iranians are doing today.

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But the bold was the result of the US intervention, just the same way it led to civil war and unrest in other places like Libya and Syria for example (in the case of Syria to show you the extent of their evil hypocrisy, they ended up installing an Al Qaeda Chieftain and now dance and play with him).

As for the red above, the point is that there is a history and a pattern which should not be ignored.

Mind you in the case of Iraq and WMD, Bush and Blair went to the extent of getting a broad based international coalition, congress approval and even went to the United Nations. The war was still globally unpopular and there were protests across the globe against it, but they went ahead.

In this instance, no congress approval, no discussion with allies to form any coalition, nothing. One man or rather two men just woke up and started and plunged the world into this mess and you are blaming the side who were suddenly attacked even in the middle of negotiation which Oman had confirmed was going very well in Geneva.

tctrills:
I already know you, everyone that disagrees with you is abomination and upside down.
Question for you, be honest, how would you feel if the US and Israel are able to gain control of the Hormuz strait, restore global shipping and save the global economy?
I can bet you will be pained. Here, the US and Israel victory is clearly tied to global victory but people like you would rather everything falls to pieces as long as the US and Iran don't win.

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Of course not.

I asked you a question about weapons of mass destruction and Iraq for a reason. You ignored the question.

tctrills:
Oga what's your point here?
At least the US has an excuse for their war with Iran. What is Iran's excuse for trying to crash the global economy and make you poor?
You and I and fighting then I turn around and start hitting everyone around including those sympathetic to me, how am I not a terrorist?

Again, nuclear weapons or not, Iran had this coming. Their first action after their revolution in 1979 was to kidnap 80 US embassy staff. Since then, they have sponsored bombing and killings of US citizens all across the middle east. The US had more than 10 reasons to take them out.

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What sort of abominable upside down reasoning is this.

Nnamdipapa:
I honestly don't understand why people support evil. Iranians are hard-working, smart people who have been demonized for years by the US propaganda machines. The same played out in Iraq with the US killing millions of locals and not finding any WMD in Iraq. Today, the US is busy selling the oil in Iraq, they are also reported to have stollen Iraqis gold.

This is 2026, and the greatest threat to world peace is the US and Israel. I have hard evidence of historical facts to back up my claims.

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Thank you and well said.

QuinQQ, Nwaikpe, Tctrills, I hope you all remember the Weapons of Mass Destruction hoax that led to the invasion of Iraq (Gulf War 2).

Nnamdipapa:
Nope.

Iran was busy negotiating with the US and Israel in order to avoid the war, and suddenly, the US and Israel sprang a sudden attack on them. Remember, Iran already had an agreement with the US and UN, which Trump destroyed. All my life, I have been led to believe that US and Israel are the good guys and the Iranians are the villians. I am just realizing I have been totally wrong all along.

If someone attacks you, kills your father, mother, and children without any kind of war, would you just fold your arms and do nothing if you have a means of hitting back? Remember, this war is illegal and not sanctioned by US Congress.

Are you ok with Trump invading a sovereign country and kidnapping their president? Has Iran ever done something like that before?
When the Gulf countries allowed the US to build a military base to attack and kill Iranian citizens, they became legitimate targets and not third parties to the war. This is a war of CHOICE for the US and a war of SURVIVAL for the Iranians.

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GBAM..

Kudos. Well said and well summarised with integrity, conscience and clarity.

waice6571:
Like, when did you become my examiner?

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What.

You dare to question your lord and master?

Will you kneel down at once in public and raise up your hands!

tctrills:
I am not angry; I only tried to teach you to respect those things others hold sacred. We could argue about the Greek meaning, but it changes nothing. The only thing that needs to change is your lack of respect for the things others hold dear.

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So you agree with Muslims who say no one must draw or paint or depict Prophet Mohammad, Peace be upon Jinn.

tctrills:
This is not about whether you believe or agree with my religion; it's about whether both of us can live in a society together and treat each other with decency despite our disagreements.
Today in Finland, Christians are jailed for quoting bible verses online because of people like you. We thought a world with fewer Christians would have more freedoms, but Europe is teaching us that in a Godless nation, the state begins to take away your freedoms.

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It is blasphemy to call a man God.

tctrills:
Before Abraham, I AM. Oga, you claim to know the bible, why are you pretending just for the sake of argument? Just learn to be decent and show respect.

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Of course I know that verse.

But what then is the difference between you and the Muslim who gets angry that someone draws Muhammad?

Besides have you looked into the meaning of the Greek "ego eimi"

tctrills:
Exodus 20:7 and Deuteronomy 5:11
You who claims to have read the bible 17 times should know that we don't merely mention His name.

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Old testament verses to prove that it is blasphemy to mention the name of a man who had not even yet been born then?

tctrills:
I don't understand why you can't respect another man's religion. I understand you hate Christianity and Christians, but please, no need to use the name of my God in vain. You don't need to be religious to learn to show respect for what others consider sacred.
As one who claims to have read the bible 17 times, you should know how to show respect to a Christian.

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Where is the disrespect? Merely mentioning his name is now disrespect?

What then is the difference between you and the Muslim who gets angry that someone draws Muhammad?

Nwaikpe:
It will be our pleasure to see America take Cuba and turn it into Germany or Japan.
God bless you for bringing this to my attention.

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KobolanderSegun:
These puppies are totally brainwashed and they do not know it. I guess they are probably in their 30's so they have a long way to go . I'm 45 so I have seen more than them. Despite all the attempts by the older generation to school the youngsters they are still carrying Trump on their head. The Trump that Europeans have pushed Aside and discarded is the trump my younger ones are praising.

It is not their fault they love tokunbo smartphone. Trump is French used and Denmark used they have stopped using him and handed him over to the peeps here.

" Men this tokunbo Trump is Wonderful, he is France Used "

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Ol boy the thing tire me.

SeverusSnape:
Precision strikes... IDF has no rival in the middle east.
These two were just appointed to take over from the previous ones that were eliminated.
They should keep appointing terrorists, And Israel won't get tired of eliminating them.

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This simply means they intend to continue killing forever.

tctrills:
This man, you are very predictable. I knew I would find you here. But it is a shame that you and many like you do not know your true enemies.
The US and Israel are fighting Iran, but then, Iran decides to attack all their Arab neighbours and to block 20% of global oil. Anyone with common sense can see that Iran is evil and a danger to every other country.
Will their oil blockage affect the US? Yes, but very minimally. As of today, the US is a net exporter of oil and gas. But it would affect Nigeria and other African countries more. It will destroy the arab gulf states, it will hurt the European economy, and hurt Chinese manufacturing.
This should let you know how crazy Iran is and why this war is very just.
We should be thanking the US and Israel.
Iran has proven that they are an enemy to the world.

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Jesus Christ of Nazareth

contentEngineer:
Iran broke international laws when they created and supported terrorists (Hamas , Hezbollah etc).

Maduro broke international laws, when he headed and funded drug cartels, Cuba citizens are destabilized and are calling out ...


Someone has got to do the dirty job of quenching these fire , so that the world won't burn .

Guess who that is ?......



DJT

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Joker.

Brendaniel:
Please show me where they gave warning before attacking these 140 injured civilians we are discussing about here?

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Try and keep up with the news if you want to discuss these issues.

Brendaniel:
How is self defense attacking civilians of other countries who have nothing to do with the war?

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I don't believe Iran has set out to do so and it has given warnings where applicable.

You should ask this particular question of Israel in particular, the country which delights most in killing and starving children.

descartes400:
Glad you see the below clearly!


But also i would like to add that the notion that Iran practice gender apartheid is false and western media propaganda as it relates to any islamic country they want to destabilized.

The Western and the Zionist Media will have you believe that women are repressed in Iran while a Canadian feminist smoking a stick of cancer is free.

1. Female Literacy rate in Iran is 99.3%
2.Maternal mortality in Iran is 16% (ref: US=19%)
3.There are 16,111 sports clubs for women & 3,302 medals won by female athletes (internationally)
4.60% of university graduates in Iran are women.
5.1,121 Iranian female judges are active
6.59.5% participation rate of women in parliament
7.Women can hold almost any post in Iran except IndecentStar or onlyfans content creator. Who runs those?

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I hear you,and I am aware of all these, but I still don't like much of the force applied to, for example, forcing women to dress a particular way. You may know that there have been mass protests about it in the past and the regime clamped down killing many.

Also in places like Saudi Arabia it's only recently that women have been allowed to drive and they are still denied many basic rights.

mynd1:
See them above ☝️, awon United States and Israel supporters. The two most useless countries in the world currently. Both of them are children killers... mtcheew

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Honestly. Mass murderers and the worst terrorists.

Brendaniel:
But you are here supporting it...

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It's not a matter of support for anything in particular beyond self defense. A country must and will naturally stand up to defend itself when attacked unprovoked and in the middle of negotiations by two nuclear powers. What did you expect them to do? Bow down and give up?

Brendaniel:
Then focus your attention solely on fighting their governments, leave civilians out of it, that is my point or simply blame both sides equally if civilians are attacked at any point in time, because the I can clearly see bias on that side...

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How? Am I the one that gives commands to attack?

Brendaniel:
You see, there is something I want you to understand and that is:

I'm not really here to exonerate any side of doing wrong at different points in time, but there is something I am against and that is the ideology behind their actions, for instance:

It is now very normal and convenient for Muslims to say deat to America, deat to Israel, some even do it in other western countries as immigrants in those countries, does that sound normal to you?

The major problem I have with the Iranian government and their supporters like you is:

Most of you apply irrational thinking when taking decisions,

for example, America is fighting war with Iran and boom, one of you start attacking Americans in other countries even inside America .

That is irrational thinking, it is the same thing terrorists do, the same thing Islamic fanatics do, and there are people like you justifying it...

How are you different from Boko haram?

That is how Iran is fighting the war and you people are justifying it.

That's why also hate it when countries are banned from sports or international competitions just because the country is at war, like what they did to Russia, that is irrational thinking to me.

Why punish the players who have worked hard and have no say about the war their country is fighting?

Sports is supposed to be a platform for, love, peace and unity but some people see it normal to drag politics into it, no country in the world should be be banned because of war or political issues except on violation based on sports rules, then you see some Islamic countries rejecting playing with Israel. If I were in charge of such competitions, they will banned for years, you people should learn to separate, politics, war from other aspects..

The world is largely where it is today because of irrational thinking

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You have assumed too much because I do not like the Iranian Government, I consider it oppressive and extremist and I particularly despise its practice of gender apartheid.

I am simply able to see clearly the unspeakable hypocrisy and far greater oppressiveness and exploitation of Israel and the USA.

waice6571:
If you have a clear understanding of the two opposing Islamic ideologies, the Sunnis' and the Shi'ites, you would understand that, the Iranian missiles flying across their neighbours was not only because of US had their military bases over there but to suppres and annihilate then for their ideological differences.

More than 80% of know terrorists organisations worldwide are linked directly or indirectly to Iran and their proxies... even in Nigeria.

The city of Maiduguri was bombed yesterday, scores were injured and tens lost their lives, how many of you guys carried placards to protest or sympathise with the victims the way you are crying for Iran? Something must be wrong somewhere..... I swear!

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Please answer my question rather than deflecting.

Bimow:
Iran and her terrorist leaders are the most wicked human beings on earth, God bless Trump for their deaths.

The useless nation imported ammunitions to Nigeria through Apapa Port for Boko Haram and ISIS.

Thank God that one or two were intercepted, only God knows the number of containers that escaped through to Sanbisa, especially during wicked Buhari Government.

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Naïve, enslaved.

Brendaniel:
No, if you can list them, I will appreciate and it must relate to this war only...

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Why, when this war has a history which has led to it? This war has not happened in a vacuum.

zegxy:
What are you spewing?
What about Bahrain, Saud i Arabia and Qatar ?
Iran is attacking every country.im.the Gulf Region where US have investments and interest not because these countries is being used as a base by US to attack

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So according to you, they are attacking them for no reason? Or why do you think they are attacking them?