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chieveboy:
Come on lol. I don't even know that feature exists on here. I was even wondering if you deliberately ignored me for reasons seeing you replying to others.



We both might have studied Eckankar, but what you might not have noticed is Eckankar avoids matters to do with discussing the very nature of the worlds of computer simulation or "lower worlds" as they call it. But if you have your ears to the ground, several Eckankar literature subtly spilled the beans. In one, it describes the antics of the "almighty Gods" who are mere gatekeepers but love to present themselves as "almighty God", likening it to how the Wizard of Oz pulls it off using a booming 'loud speaker' to send their voice tremoring into the 'simulus'. This and many more depending in your range of exploration of the Eckankar teachings for one, and other occult/spiritual materials and of course personal experimentation and exploration.

The above said, I wish to let you know that all advanced spiritual teachings which knows its onions understand the universe (lower worlds) to be a holographic simulation and yes, it works exactly as a human computer does but much more advanced; and by all definitions of a computer, is one. A computer can be made of organic material, I hope you know this?

A guy called billyionare once had a thread on how the physical universe is a recursion of the inner one. But of course you must have read something along this line in Eckankar! Its almost a no-brainer that even advanced physics had now wrapped its head and tools around a fascinating finding that 'reality' is 'idiomaterial' (is a thought/matter duality). This means reality exists as though in its templaic form and most importantly in a templaic region or plane where all exists as though or idea, and this is apt and in tandem with advanced spirituality.

What this means is any material thing is merely a physical representation of Thought or an Idea and they exists in a binary complementary union or what I will call a 'do me I do you' concurrent mirroring of one another from the top mental/idea level to the physical with the shape and form taking effect based on the 'membrane' of the plane that though or idea finds it self till it looks like a Plastic cup on the physical. We built the Hololens off of this and its not the first time we mimic nature.

CC Deepsight

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Powerful response. The red-bold particularly resonates with me and I WILL recommend it to LordReed, even if I know it will have no traction with him.

tctrills:
you are accusing me of what you are doing.
In whom we live = He give us life
In whom we move = gives us the strength to move
And have our being = we belong to Him

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Now this is astonishing.

The script says that you live in someone. It says you move in that person. It says you have your being inside that person.
It is clearly panentheistic and he was quoting a Greek philosopher as I told you already.
And you are writing things it absolutely does [b]no[/b]t say.
This explains alot about the religious.

I mean just look at the bold in yours, the last line. What kind of voodooo magical interpretation is that?

friday2011:
Regardless of what ever happened, on what basis will u be needing the police man?

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E fear me ooooooh!
In fact in that precarious position considering that crimes of desperation may occur its best to do away with him.

Dannieln1:
Na Wetin happen that day go depend who go survive.

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Wisdom.

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Feldie:
Trump's administration will finally destroy the US. The way they talk is always foolish and uncouth. All previous US government had these plans, implemented them but never said it out loud

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GBAM!

DomPerignon:
Spanish golden age began on the same year they expelled all Jews from their land.

Spain has a very bad opinion of Jews giving that Jews sided with the Moors to invade and occupy Spain for 700ys.

The gates of Toledo were opened to Muslim army by Jewish traitors.

Spain remains the most anti semitic nation on earth and for very good reason based on all what Jews did to them.

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You should be careful here. The history is deep and the Spanish really persecuted and tortured Jews horrifically.

LordReed:
Gosh are you this inane? You don't realise that saying I got Hitler wrong means you think Hitler is right? You guys must have dust for brain cells.

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Don't go and kill yourself bro. I tell you. Arguing with any Trumpist (and generally these neo-fascist conservatives who dont even understand principle or ideology) is like banging one's head against a brick wall.

People who see a genius chess move in every fart of Trump's and defend even the wackiest statements from him and his allies.

tctrills:
I understand you didn't outrightly say you believe in that but for now, you are the one defending that doctrine.

Now we live and move and have our being in God. Clearly means that it's God that makes us live and move and He created us. It doesn't mean or indicate that we are inside God or His cells.
How did you come to such conclusions?

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Why are you deliberately reading into the script what is not there? How does "in whom we live and move and have our being" translate to "God created humans?"

LordReed can you comment on the last two points in my OP so we move along to my own main personal treatise on this matter.

3. The "Processor Speed" (The Speed of Light) Just as a computer processor has a maximum clock speed that limits how fast information can travel across a circuit board, our universe has a universal speed limit: the speed of light.

4. The Mathematical Universe Hypothesis: Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at MIT, argues for the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (MUH). He notes that the deeper we look into reality, the more the "physical" stuff disappears, leaving only mathematical structures behind. The Argument: If you look at a video game character, they look like a person, but they are actually just a collection of numbers and equations. Tegmark argues that since our universe is perfectly described by math, it may literally be a mathematical structure (or a program) rather than a physical thing that math just happens to describe.

Tctrills,

I am sorry to say but this is a very watery and weak revert.

tctrills:
I would address a few things and hopefully you will get clarity on the rest.
When the bible says the wages of sin is death, it was only refering to man. So there is no need to bring up animals.

How can you magisterially and imperially proclaim this? Death is a factor that applies to living things in the physical world. Your bible however insists that it is the result of sin. I ask again if animals sin. On what grounds do you exempt animals from this quagmire?

Also, when the battery in your phone dies, it's not because of sin.

Dont be absurd.

Good you brought up Galatians 6:7.to show the Justice of God, we reap what we sow hence we reap punishment when we sow sin but then, did you consider what happens when we sow repentance? We reap forgiveness all thanks to the mercy of Christ.

One can repent without believing in the ritual human sacrifice teaching which says that the death of Christ is what saves one.

Now let's move on. You claim that only you can bear the spiritual consequences of your actions and that's mostly true when you don't repent. When we repent we no longer bear that consequence.

Yes - and repentance is not dependent on any belief in blood sacrifice. Repentance involve genuine contrition, seeking the forgiveness of God and those hurt and a determination to change one's ways.

We are forgiven because the price has been paid.

This is pagan.

Lastly you make the claim that Jesus was not a willing sacrifice because He pray for the cup to pass by. Well that's being very unfair to Him and the bible.
Was He in pain? Yes
Did He wish the pain to end? Yes
Was He a willing sacrifice? Yes
All 3 are correct.
A friend of mine was once bitten by a snake on his farm in a village.
The villagers applied a very painful treatment to the bite.
Was my friend in pain? Yes
Did he wish the pain to cease? Yes.
Did he willingly allow himself to be treated? Yes.
So taking that verse and claiming Christ was not a willing sacrifice is unfair to the rest of the bible.
Ephesians 5:2: "...just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God".

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Then we can only conclude that scripture contradicts itself in this matter.

Reference:
One of those countries I mentioned on the other Afolayan thread was India. It has many 2,000 megawatt solar plants costing between 1 to 2 billion dollars to commission. This is the electricity you say that tools the youth of that country to create value and grow wealth. Power to get out of poverty.

Lagos where most of you are evacuates about 1,200 megawatts from the grid. Imagine what a doubling of the energy supply to Lagos will cause in terms of availability, stability and price if only one of such plants can be established.

These are the kind of discussions citizens should be having. Solution based discourse on how to make life better. So that when government says it wants to spend a billion on some nonsensical white elephant, the people say, No.

Rather spend it on what benefits all and has the potential to create real wealth and unshackle many from poverty.

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The other day I was talking about how power is a priority and some chap on this platform began to say its only because Nigerians are entitled and they want to use the power to watch football. I could have wept.

Ride on Master Strategist.

LordReed:
You do realise that at the so called space in the atomic is irrelevant ant the macro level right? Do you realise that are gaps between the threads that make up your suit? Does that make your suit insubstantial? These things don't scale up.

Besides it doesn't mean reality is pixelated because it is made up discrete particles.

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I see your point, even if i think you are being a tad simplistic in this. Still lets move along.

LordReed:
I thoroughly disagree. Pixels exist on screens not in the reality we share. The world around us is not pixelated, that's not a thing.

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Not only on screens, in terms of our visual capacities. I think I was careful to say that.

The reason I first asked if you believe that space may be divided infinitely is because surely you are aware that we cannot really account for what exists between atoms, electrons and such. And that at that microscopic level it can be said that there is more "insubstantiality" than substantiality to what appears to us as hard impenetrable matter. But I didnt want to digress there, and thats why I have said well, with what we perceive visually, there are limits, and no I dont think you are right to say its limited to screens.

Nevertheless lets close the arguments in the OP as I have a treatise of my own to make.

LordReed:
Hypothetically, yes. Take a length and divide it by 2, then divide the half by 2, then again and again. You can do this infinitely.

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Hypothetically, I concur. But in terms of this reality that we perceive about us, you must perforce agree that that we are limited to the building blocks of the pixels of the things we can see. There is the view that this thus discloses a formatted or programmed rendition of our reality. This is reinforced by the fact that the deeper you zoom into the images of things around you the more they lose form. Nonetheless I will not dwell too much on this argument not least because it is not the strongest one even for me. I just wanted to pass through and note it. Let us deal with the last two I mentioned in my OP before I proceed to my main argument, which I shall present to you. Ride on, I await.

LordReed:
Sorry but the Planck Length is not the theoretical "smallest" possible length. It is the smallest length that is meaningful to our current understanding of the universe. It in no way says that lengths smaller than Planck length don't exist.

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Do you think you can divide space infinitely.

tctrills:
So according to you, the bible teaches that we are the cells of God? The verse only states that God is the source of our live, strength and abilities that's actually the opposite of what your teach.
The cells give life to the organism.
The scripture you quoted is opposed to the doctrine you are teaching.

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Please and please I never said we are the cells in God's body. For heavens sake I don't even believe God has a body. I simply asked what you thought of it. These are philosophical ruminations and the idea that everything that exists is a part of the body of God is also an ancient one. It is called panentheism, to be distinguished from pantheism.

Having said that, the verse I quoted does not say God is our source it specifically indicates that we live and move and have our being in God.

tctrills:
Actually that's not what he is saying. You can go back and review this thread, he isn't talking about being created in the image of God or that we share His attributes.

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But your scripture gives credence to it -

"For in him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your own poets have said..." — Acts 17:28

In this, Paul was actually citing the Cretan philosopher Epimenides, and agreeing with him.

tctrills:
So are you saying that the sacrifice of Christ was unjust to Him or unjust to mankind?

Now, this is clearly your opinion and you adapted this opinion because of your dislike for the religion.

First, Jesus Christ's sacrifice was a willing sacrifice because of His love for us.

Secondly, in nature, it's very common to seen the actions of one having consequences for many.

Third, you are looking at death from a limited and narrow angle. This is what Jesus Christ said about His death.
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.

It seems you are just vigorously searching for a reason to fault Christianity.

Now if the wages of sin is death, it would have been unjust if that sin is forgiven without the wages paid? So you seem to have it completely mixed up.

Jesus Christ's sacrifice showed 2 things.
1. God's Justice in that the wages of sin was fully paid.
2. God's mercy in that through the atonement of Christ all mankind can be saved.

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This will take us away from the intendment of this thread and I think deserves a thread of its own.

I have taken the liberty of creating one -

https://www.nairaland.com/8632938/tctrills-repugnant-aspects-christian-doctrine

Following from your comments here -

https://www.nairaland.com/8621001/lordreed-revisiting-simulation-reality/2#138721399

I would like to address the aspects of Christian doctrine which I say are absurd and even repugnant.

Let me start with your last comments -

tctrills:
So are you saying that the sacrifice of Christ was unjust to Him or unjust to mankind?

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My position is that the death of Jesus of Nazareth can by no means serve as a propitiatory sacrifice for anyone's sins under divine justice. Scripture itself is clear when it says that God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sows the same shall he reap - Galatians 6:7.

This is a clear enunciation of the principle of Karma. And so long as this principle holds true it will remain absurd and contradictory for one person to bear the sins of another. Such a scenario would refute the justice of God.

Now, this is clearly your opinion and you adapted this opinion because of your dislike for the religion.

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This is upside down. I do not adopt the opinion because I dislike the religion. I dislike the religion because of teachings like that within it.

First, Jesus Christ's sacrifice was a willing sacrifice because of His love for us

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This is highly contestable because in Gethsemane, Jesus ardently prayed for the cup to pass over his head if it were possible.

Secondly, in nature, it's very common to seen the actions of one having consequences for many.

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Of course, but this is entirely different from the matter of spiritual consequences for individual actions. Only you can bear the spiritual consequences of your actions.

Third, you are looking at death from a limited and narrow angle. This is what Jesus Christ said about His death.
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.

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Why then did he plead with the father for the cup to pass over his head, saying "nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." -

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - Matthew 26:39.

It seems you are just vigorously searching for a reason to fault Christianity.

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I contest the virgin birth, the idea of the propitiatory sacrifice for remission of sins, the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity.
I accept the elevated teachings of Christ on love, growth, detachment from the world and forgiveness.

Now if the wages of sin is death, it would have been unjust if that sin is forgiven without the wages paid? So you seem to have it completely mixed up.

Jesus Christ's sacrifice showed 2 things.
1. God's Justice in that the wages of sin was fully paid.
2. God's mercy in that through the atonement of Christ all mankind can be saved.

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How come animals die. Have they also sinned.

Angelfrost:
Trump is an idiot with too much money and power... This always leads to disaster for everyone around him.


Just look at the senseless waste of lives and resources... Not to mention the economic hardship on the rest of the world.


The idiot clearly didn't realize that Iran hard the trump card (pun well intended) since the main oil line runs through their backyard (Strait of Hormuz).

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Obviously not. There was zero thinking put into the whole thing. It surprises me how Trumpists try to paint the clown as brilliant. If the man farts, they would call it a chess move.

triplechoice:
I will come back later to answer your reply up there, but in the meantime, please do me this favour, which will benefit you too..

My replies to Chieveboy are being hidden despite containing no violations of forum rules. I suspect he has weaponised the report button to trigger auto-moderation for obvious reasons: he cannot defend his position and admit he deliberately edited my comments to misrepresent me.

So please ask him this on my behalf;?

If he claims to be saying the same thing being discussed here, that authentic esoteric traditions teach simulation, then why does he place the words "computer" and "simulation" in quotation marks every time he reference the idea?

This question is part of what my hidden replies contained. I ask him directly but my posts keeps disappearing .

Putting words in quotes like that signals that he is not taking them literally. It means he has a different understanding, one that he won't openly state because he wants to appear in agreement with you while actually holding a different position.

I know what Eckankar teaches concerning the nature of this world because I was once part of the group. They teach that the world was created by Divine spirit as a training ground for souls to attain spiritual maturity and eventually become a co-worker with God. Nothing in their teaching says the world is a computer simulation created by advanced beings


Does he believe this world is literally computer simulation or does he mean something else? And if something else what is it?

I cannot ask him directly myself because my replies are hidden. But perhaps you can.

Thank you.

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Chieveboy I am asked to refer this post to you for your comments.

HacheNoire:
Hello!

We might not have gotten there but assured that under the administration of His Excellency, President Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu (GCFR), we are making progress.

Our great country is not a shithole. We have our challenges just like every other nation.

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You mean under the leadership of Rattigan?

Quelme:
Just don't run away. You don buy market.

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Its obvious he is preparing to run away. He has seen that the thing is more complex than he thought.

Angelfrost:
The truth is... Trump terribly underestimated Iran's military capability.

Now, the world will pay the price economically.

Biggest irony is how the citizens of Iran, even those who were protesting, have suddenly banded together in support for their country!

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In fact, to say he underestimated Iran is an understatement.
He thought the Maduro method would work there.

Iran has won this one. Hands down.

twilliamx:
Nokia 3310. Thank me later

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WizardOfNG:
Dont mind them. When some of us warned that the arbitrary, dictatorial, lawless and bullying actions of dictators like Hitler, Trump etal must not be supported and endorsed blindly, because such may bring untold pain and suffering to many, they will tell you "shut up terror sympathiser".

What is Tinubu to do over the actions of Trump, the messiah of some Nigerians, that has now plunged the world into a fuel crisis that may persist and worsen the longer the conflict with Iran endures?

Same people who literally told Trump to do as he pleases with Nigeria and the world are today complaining and blaming Tinubu over the results of the rash actions of Trump they now want to blame PBAT for.

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Fair enough and I agree but this does not mean our FG should keep sealed lips in a situation like this.

Ayomid3h:
2 USD as at now in USA which is 1300 Naira in Nigeria

2 USD is 3k Naira in Nigeria

Stop blaming tinubu and his government

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Why should you even compare Nigeria to the USA in the first place? Does that make any sense, comparing one of the poorest countries to the richest country? And given the completely different scenarios applicable to each even in the production to refining to distribution process? What exactly is wrong with you guys?

tctrills:
Lol
You only find problems with what you don't like.
If you can entertain the idea that you are a cell in the body of a God buts a virgin birth somehow becomes a bridge to far for you. You are the absurd one here.

You are open to crazy ideas just not Christianity.

But I have no problem with you because you are just like most human beings, you act based on feelings and emotions. And it's not necessarily a bad thing

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It defies divine justice to claim that the sins of one person are forgiven because another person is killed. It is also akin to ritual human sacrifice.

tctrills:
Lol
You criticise the things you don't know when you don't like them, e.g Christianity. And then you promote the things you have no idea about when they somehow appeal to you.

We humans are all the same. We all seek something to believe in

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Christianity, barring the elevated teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, has clear problems. Teachings such as the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, the Trinity and the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ for remission of sins are all self evidently absurd and contradictory.