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femi4:
somebody is having selective amnesia

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That quote is exactly what we have been saying and not that the day belongs to pagans. If you understand, fine, if you dont, fine as well.

Tboy222:
Young man that your version of Jesus is a pure lie fabricated by by the Creed of nicea under Emperor Constantine.

Yeshua never taught division, never taught obedience, but taught the gospel of the kingdom.

The kingdom of God is within you

Jesus was an Alchemist, a Jewish Kabbalis, a Mathematician, a philosopher, and a Masonic Jew.

He taught sexual Alchemy, Kabbalistic numerology, golden ratio, and sacred geometry. The compass and the square.

He went about preaching the kingdom of heaven, not the lie you guys are fabricating nowadays.

He was a feminist, and he taught on the union of the Divine feminine and Divine masculine.

He taught on how to escape the the False Matrix built by the false Jehovah Annunaki Summerian God called Yahweh of the old testament.

Mary Magdalene holder of the Kabbalistic 49 Gates of Omer , and 49 roses of pentacles knew the secret.

Do you know that Nikola Tesla 369 law of the universe is hidden in Mark 15.

Do you know that the spiritual Alchemy is hidden in the book of Ezekiel.

God is made up of four people, not the false Masculine trio of father , Son and spirit.

Tetramagaton
Tetra= four

Yod = masculine
Hey = feminine
Vav = masculine
Hey = feminine

Jesus Christ left his heavenly father yahua, and his heavenly mother Shekinah the dove, to come save his twin Sister, his bride Sophia, the only choice of her Mother. Ecclesiastes 6:9

Genesis 2:24
Ezekiel 44:25

We have been deceived by Yahweh the false draconian Summerian Annunaki God and his archons.

But everything is changing soon.

All will be revealed at the 33rd degree

3I atlas is not a comet, it is a probe that will spark up the great awakening.

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Ol boy share where you are reading all these things from.
What order do you belong to, where is your lodge.

femi4:
Keep wailing
Next yr you ll come up with the same article

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Religion does this to otherwise smart people all the time. No surprise.

First time you are coming across as somewhat dim. You always sound well schooled.

lilsmart:
Christmas no be one person just wake up one day comot. Di wahala start long time wen Christian church for 4th century say make dem dey celebrate Jesus birthday for December 25. But dem purposely choose dat day because people don dey already dey celebrate pagan festival for dat time like Saturnalia for Rome wit plenty food, drink, and gift. So di church just mix am with dia own story. As time dey go, different pipo add dia own thing: St. Francis give us nativity play, Queen Victoria make Christmas tree popular, and Charles Dickens wit 'A Christmas Carol' make di festival become about family and kindness. For America, dem commercialize am wella and turn Santa Claus to di big man we know today. So Christmas na like big stew wey different pipo from different places just add ingredient for hundreds of years.

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Well said.

Femi4, someone is here to break it down to your level since my own na PhD.

Krismas:
Lies
Christmas is born out of Constantine uniting all the religions and cults in the Roman empire into one body.

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Correct.

femi4:
You never answer the question

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What question. I answered all your questions and I know I have greatly educated and enlightened you on this most auspicious of days.

femi4:
Since the xelebration is not unified, allow people to celebrate in their belief

Saying a day belong to pegan is nonesense. Nobody have a monopoly of any day

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No one has said it belonged to pagans. We are just telling you the history behind it. No need to be worried.

femi4:
Continue to evade the question

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But why are you desperate to deny the obvious. It doesn't change anything. So long as you have Jesus in your mind and that's what you are celebrating, you dey ok.

I say that because you are obviously collared to Christianity.

femi4:
you still did not answer the question

Who are those calling it yultide cos the word christmas was merged from Christ n Mass

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Extracted:
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.The word Yuletide is a compound of two ancient Old English terms: Yule (geōl) and tide (tīd). Together, they literally mean "the time of Yule."
​While we use it today as a festive synonym for Christmas, its origins are deeply rooted in pre-Christian Germanic and Norse traditions.

​1. The "Yule" Component (Geōl / Jól)
​Pagan Roots: Long before Christianity reached Northern Europe, Germanic and Norse peoples celebrated a midwinter festival called Jól (Old Norse) or Geōl (Old English).

​The Winter Solstice: This festival typically took place around the winter solstice (late December). It was a time of feasting, drinking, and sacrificing to honor the return of the sun and the "rebirth" of the year.
​The "Wheel" Theory: Some etymologists believe the word may be related to the Old Norse word for "wheel" (hvel), symbolizing the turning of the solar year, though this is debated among scholars.

​2. The "Tide" Component (Tīd)
​Meaning "Time": In Old English, tīd did not refer to the ocean's waves. Instead, it meant "time," "season," or "portion of time."
​Lingering Usage: We still see this original meaning in words like noon-tide (noontime) or the phrase "time and tide wait for no man."

​Ecclesiastical Use: As Christianity spread, "tide" began to be used for specific religious seasons, such as Eastertide or Christmastide.

​3. How it became "Christmas"
​Around the 9th to 11th centuries, as Germanic tribes converted to Christianity, the traditions of the pagan Yule festival (like the Yule log, evergreen decorations, and feasting) were absorbed into the celebration of the birth of Jesus.

​By the late 15th century, the specific compound "Yuletide" appeared in written English to describe the 12-day period of Christmas celebration.

​Fun Fact: The Origin of "Jolly"
​The word jolly is actually a "cousin" of Yuletide! It is believed to have come from the Old French word jolif, which was itself borrowed from the Old Norse jól. Essentially, to be "jolly" originally meant to be "in the spirit of Yule."
​Would you like to know more about the history of other holiday traditions, like the Yule Log or the "Twelve Days of Christmas"?

femi4:
So why different dates ...i can see jan , infact the last one went as far as feb

That show that it didn't replace that Dec date

I can wake up tomorrow to celebrate whatever in the same week. If the celebration isn't of the same belief, abeg we are not the same

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The central celebration was always December. As a major celebration, it extends over periods.

Just the way Easter is actually celebrated for over a Month. That does not mean there isnt Easter Sunday itself.

Pls research this thing. I didn't come up with it and it's no conspiracy anything. It's history.

Check serious academic works and encyclopedias of history.

femi4:
Christmas isnt a week celebration

Whatever you are reading on cyberspace is affecting your submission. Show me a church doing a week christmas celebration

Cyberspace is full of junks without verified source

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I knew all this before the internet existed.
Besides, its up to you to split the wheat from the chaff with regard to what you read online or indeed anywhere.

As for your question in bold, I extract the following:

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Here is a breakdown of the different ways Christmas is measured.

1. The Twelve Days of Christmas (Christmastide)
This is the most traditional religious definition. The "12 Days" start on December 25 and end on the evening of January 5 (known as Twelfth Night).

The Purpose: It marks the time between the birth of Jesus and the arrival of the Three Wise Men (Magi).

The Conclusion: The 12th day is followed by Epiphany on January 6, which celebrates the "revelation" of Christ to the world.

2. The Catholic Liturgical Season
For the Roman Catholic Church, the Christmas season actually lasts slightly longer than 12 days.

Start: Christmas Eve (sunset on Dec 24).

End: The Feast of the Baptism of the Lord, which usually falls on the Sunday after January 6.

Depending on the calendar, this can make the "Christmas Season" last anywhere from 14 to 20 days.

3. Orthodox Christmas
Many Eastern Orthodox churches (such as those in Russia, Egypt, and Ethiopia) follow the Julian Calendar rather than the Gregorian calendar.

The Date: They celebrate Christmas Day on January 7.

The Season: Like the Western tradition, they also observe a multi-day feast period, culminating in Theophany (their version of Epiphany) on January 19.

4. Cultural & Secular Celebrations
In modern culture, the "Christmas season" is often much longer:

Advent: For many Christians, the preparation begins 4 Sundays before Christmas (the season of Advent).

The "Ber" Months: In the Philippines, Christmas celebrations famously begin in September (the first of the "ber" months), making it the longest Christmas season in the world.

Candlemas: In some older traditions (and still in some parts of Europe), the festive season doesn't truly end until February 2 (Candlemas), which is 40 days after Christmas. This was traditionally the day people took down their greenery.
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*Culled

femi4:
If it was delibrate. Why not for a week. All these are mere conspiratory theories

2. No religion has the monopoly of any day

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It is not a conspiracy theory, it is a fact f history, do your research.
And oh, Christmas is actually celebrated for over a week.

You really dont know or understand ancient Roman History and early church history do you?
This is not about any religion having a monopoly of any day. Have you even asked yourself the origin of certain peculiarities of the Christmas celebration, such as the Christmas Tree? What does that have to do with the birth of Christ? Jack. But it was part of the Feast of the Saturnalia.

Someone like you will not know that the literal translation of the word "Easter" is "Eostre" the name of an ancient pagan goddess.

Bros, you are an African. Relax and dont spend too much energy getting worked up about myths and legends of foreigners.

femi4:
show me a date that is free of celebrating other pegan festivals. There is no day without somebody celebrating some religious belief that's against your belief

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The point is that Christmas was deliberately placed on that day in replacement of an existing festival of the greatest magnitude (the feast of the Saturnalia, which was celebrated for a week from around Dec 17 - 23). It was strategically done to ease the acceptance of Christmas being that Christianity had only become the official religion of the Roman Empire recently.

There's no big deal with that as you say though, its just a fact of history.

iamL:
Why your mama nor fit run am make una family life for better?

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My family life is just fine, and you dont know me or her to presume. Or do you think everyone who is not Alakija has not done well?

WINDSOW:
Quoting history books, chronological and philosophical epistle ll not tarnish the fact that Our Lord Jesus Christ was born, died to redeem all from sin and of course, reconciling us to Himself.

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The death of Jesus on the cross, so far from saving mankind, stands as condemnation of man.

Playconsoler101:
But was he born on 25th of December though?

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Of course not, it was simply placed there to fit with an already existing pagan Roman Festival.

Interesting15:
Wisdom For Destiny Daily Devotional *25th December, 2025)*

by *Sunday Akanni*

TOPIC: Never Forget The True Purpose Of Christmas

Scripture: "For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. Luke‭2:11‬
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*Message*

Each year, the 25th day of December won't stop being a very significant day all around the world. It is the celebration of Christmas. It is the birth of Jesus Christ. In almost every single place in the world, there are people celebrating on this day.

However, we must admit that many don't even know the major reason for the season in the first place. A lot of people are ignorant of the reason Jesus Christ came to the earth in the first place. This is why you see some folks "celebrating" Christmas in sinful and harmful ways, indulging in wild parties, sexual immorality, alcohol and hard drugs, etc.

On the other hand, Christmas to several others simply revolves around Santa and gifts, taking the Object of Christmas (Jesus Christ) out of the scene entirely.

But as we reflect on the purpose of Christmas, this should be a season to gratefully reflect on the amazing things of God in Christ Jesus.

Remember, from the beginning, God originally created the earth to be an extension of Heaven, and He made humans to be perfect creatures to take care of everything He made. He desires (and enjoys) an intimate relationship with humans, entrusting the earth into the hands of mankind. Then came man's disobedience, and the beginning of receiving God's love on a very gracious level.

God's love attained a zenith in Christ Jesus, as He decided to come down to offer His Own Life to redeem mankind back to Himself. He suffered and died on the cross of Calvary to get us back into His perfect Will.

Christmas is a remembrance that in Christ Jesus, we have recovered all that was stolen by the devil, and we now have the authority to wield true dominion over creation - including dominion over sin, death, darkness, hell, poverty, sickness, and anything negative.

Merry Christmas!

*Prayers/Confessions*

Ask that the LORD utilize this Christmas celebration to introduce Himself to many sinners around the world on a personal level.

*Further Reading*

Then the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told them. Luke‬ ‭2:20‬ ‭‬‬

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Why would you vomit so many lies on a day like this?

Jakumo:
Wow I thought he was announced dead this past year. I will blame a news overload in my brain.

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Or Mandela effect.

Jakumo:
Would it be correct to presume that this is one of late Yakubu Gowon's sons or nephews?

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Yakubu Gowon still dey oh.

Ovacoma:
What god do you worship ? What god did your fore fathers worship and why did your fore fathers gain from the god they worshipped? What did your fore fathers hand over to you that have brought progress to Africa ? The God of Israel is my God.

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How pitiful. Inferiority complex.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you rate people's intelligence based on their faith?

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To an extent yes, but I must hasten to add that indoctrination is such a powerful thing that many intelligent people still fall for daft myths - on account of deep seated fears, inner voids and insecurities as well as on account of the sheer mystery of existence. People need walking sticks.

However there are some people of faith who cannot be respected at all because of their deep obtuseness and fanaticism.

LordReed:
There is no hidden secret

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Much remains mysterious and I lean towards saying that much is in fact secret from us.

Death is just an unknown and more primitive people had more to fear from the unknown than we do. We know that corpses don't wake up and walk about for instance. There is nothing to fear from the dead cos the dead are dead and do nothing.

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The fellow should simply have said that humans fear death as all creatures do.

Oddly, one wonders why someone assured of heaven or paradise after resurrection would fear death.

Secondly his own book corroborates you:

"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." - Ecclesiastes 9 v 5.

tommy589:
It started way before that. She was a successful tailor of international repute while also managing a fashion designing school. In "84 or 85 she won fashion designer of the year at a time when African fabrics were the in thing in international exhibitions

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I mean the path to billions in dollars.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why JimRohn said you don't worth to be engaged in intelligent discourse.

On this thread alone you've jumped into my comments seeking attention only to end up disgracing yourself!🥴

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I am happy to be disgraced. I can be a toad like that.

Since when though did the verdict of a cowardly Muslim become your walking stick?

MaxInDHouse:
Your friend said:



Regarding unseen spirits you said to me:



Please try to convince him first after all our ancestors believed in unseen spirits you said they don't understand because you now know better yet your own friend on this forum still believes the same thing.

Haba! Why not cure your friend first nah?🙂

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When I say many who believed in spirits had close communion with them, not fear, do you think that proves the existence of spirits? No it doesn't. Maybe I have not communicated properly there. I simply mean that many believed and many didn't fear but communed with what they believed existed. Same as you pray to a Yahweh you believe exists.

Secondly, yes I personally believe in the spiritual.

Why should it be Lordreed's problem?

Stevosty:
She saw an opportunity, took it, and stood by it till it becomes success, but this blindness thing I am reading is not so comforting.

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Nothing special, she used to be tailor to Maryam Babangida and that's how it started.

This tailor who was IBB's . . . .

MaxInDHouse:
Don't change the subject jàre!

I asked someone three questions and you said such questions could easily be answered by nursery 1 children.

Yet you said he is more than capable even though you know he doesn't have an idea on the topic of discussion!

Guy i think that JimRohn guy is right in your case o!😟

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I don't give a hoot.

MaxInDHouse:
So if he is capable why do you think the questions he can't attempt could be easily answered by nursery 1 children?🤔

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Ever considered that he might have a life outside Nairaland?

MaxInDHouse:
Why can't you boldly speak up for what you believe?

You said "people had communion with spirits" yet you refused to speak to your atheist friend who said spirits don't exist but jumped on my post quoted me to type the questions are for nursery children.
Are you saying your atheist friend is not as intelligent as nursery children?🤔

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He is more than capable and unlike you he has a mind of his own. Unlike you, he does not seek validation from anyone. Unlike you he does not keep creepy lists of those who have praised him. Interestingly I have had many debates with him about the existence of the spiritual, you may wish to see a thread titled "Matter and mind" where we went at it for many pages.

MaxInDHouse:
Please read your own comments and try to make some sense out of these:



Now after saying the above the same you goes on to say again:



So what billions of people (including you) convincingly believe is not true!🥴

No wonder the below commentator said this about you:


Do you think this man doesn't know what he is saying?🤔

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Why do you keep seeking validation from others. Dont you have conviction of your own? I do.
Why do you think it should matter to me what an ignorant stranger thinks?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted revealed the real you!🙂

You believe in the spiritual but evidence in the demonstration of people globally does not prove the spiritual?😟

Ọmọ how do you guys reason?🤔

If people throughout the earth in one way or another believe in spirits and are having communion with spirits how can you say that is not enough evidence?🥴

OK, you are waiting for your atheist friends to approve what you believe before you can speak boldly about it shey?🤔

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Joker. I have never sought validation from anyone, theist or atheist. I have debated both quite equally for years.

Listen, the mere fact that people universally believe something does not make it true.

Most people world over once believed that thunder was the voice of some gods.