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Ebenezer2021:
care to provide evidence to the bolded accusations?

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Well for one, anyone must be wary of support for a leader and an administration which has shown openly its desperation to hide the Epstein files, especially when that leader himself is so widely suspected to have been in those files.

That is, at the minimum, a great curiosity.

You see, I mentioned nuance to either you or another poster. Of course no serious person believes every Republican supports what has emerged as a scandal in the protection of a pedophile ring. But where the leader himself, a notorious friend of Epstein himself, who has severally openly spoken about his taste for such young blood, is still supported by ANY DECENT person, of course the question arises as to why such a decent person or decent people would be in a position to point fingers at others for supporting the rights of ADULTS to choose their own sexual preferences. It is a simple thing cococandy did, she is telling you to weigh and balance and see what is worse. If you didnt pick that up, well!

RodgersAkpafu:
@TVO1

The above is a joke right?

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Rogers, did a human being actually write this about Tommy Robinson? -

Show us one waycist thing he has said or done or, one waycist policy he pushes. And for bonus points show how it harms this country, or it wouldn't be considered patriotism anywhere else

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Thank heavens I made my judgment call swiftly about that supposed human being.

If anything that calls itself human can demand proof of the inclinations of Tommy of all people, there can NEVER be a point engaging that thing.

cococandy:
Better than knowingly throwing your support behind a party of child melesters 🤢🤮

The rights of two LGBTQ adults in consensual relationship versus the right of pervy adults who like to fiddle kids and their supporters who turn a blind eye? The choice is not difficult.

EXACTLY! A no brainer of a choice!

Kukutente23:
Restructuring is a scam
Even the zombies are no longer deluding themselves
They touted the LG autonomy jankara judgement as evidence of impending regional autonomy only for it to turn to another political bargaining chip at the end of the day
Even the state police they've all cried about is stillborn
The fiscal federalism is almost as good as dead with the tax laws which unified Nigeria's tax code instead of diversifying it
The whole noise of Restructuring is a ruse after all

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A true ruse.
No president with the monarchical powers the Nigerian President has will ever want to relinquish those powers. Just look at the abomination the president got away with in Rivers State.

True restructuring can only be done far in advance: namely that those who stand to gain from the unitary way we are organized should expect to have finished enjoying and left ahead: so what I mean is that the amended constitution will be post dated to take effect after a decade or two.

Example: look at the illegality of the NASS called constituency projects.

THEY WILL NEVER BAN IT UNLESS SUCH A BAN TAKES EFFECT LONG AFTER THEY EXPECT TO HAVE LEFT THE SCENE.

Same way, no president will work on anything that reduces his powers. He will only do so against a future time when he expects to have retired.

triplechoice:
No. Mockery isn't the right word. It was Unknownunkown who was fully involved in that.

What you did was to question and not mock some of the things I discussed in the " Mind and Matter thread.

My apologies for dragging you into this.

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From what you wrote, one must fear you for your memory and conclude that you should be a private investigator.

Onlinetutor7:
Facts
1. The Jews were in the land before the Arabs came after the Jews were conquered by Romans

2. Amongst all the empires that have taken control, the Jews have stayed longer on the Land. They have lived on the land for close to 3000 years.

Even granting that, nowhere is it said that people who have settled somewhere for 1,300 years are not indigenes as well.

Secondly you have to note that in the last two thousand years the Jews have been a minority for the large part because most went into diaspora. Before 1948, they were still a tiny minority. So it's not entirely accurate to say they have been the main people there for 3000 years. Yes, they have been present there, many times as a minority and sometimes as a majority. But it's absurd to dismiss the claims of those Arabs who have been there for over a thousand years as well.

The way human history is, you will find that many tribes in Nigeria have not been here for as long as that and yet no one will come and say they are not indigenes because they have settled long enough.

Same way Europeans have settled long enough in America, only about five hundred years. Will you say they are not Americans? Can you compare them to the Native Americans who had been there for five thousand years plus?

Unbiased1:
So to you, Hamas is not a terrorist group? A group that attacked another country, went on a killing spree of every human being it could find on the road, and justified its actions with it's religion is not a terrorist group? So if the Biafran agitators match into Abuja, start killing anyone they feel is a Nigerian, launch 5000 rockets into Abuja neighborhoods to kill and destroy as many as possible and still kidnap 251 people, will you still call them freedom fighters?

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1. Note very carefully that I have not been drawn into defining Hamas. I have severally said that it's easy to tag them a terrorist group just as the ANC was tagged and others as well. Because of course often one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

2. Your analogy on Biafra is bad. The Igbo land is a bonafide part of Nigeria, with state governments and full representation in parliament, the executive and judiciary. It is not an occupied territory of a foreign power which denied it something as simple as freedom of movement. It is incorporated into the Nigerian State. If West Bank and Gaza were incorporated into one Israel, that would be the one state solution which has been much discussed and discarded.

3. It is very wrong to make that comparison again because what happened with Biafra was a civil war within an existing Federation. It ended, and the Igbo states are fully part of Nigeria.

4. The few agitators left, such as IPOB are at best a fringe separatist movement one can compare to Basque separatists in Spain. Not accurate, but you should understand the difference with comparing them to the occupied land of GAZA which is actually stateless till today. In fact so is West Bank, stateless. What is your idea, that Palestinians should remain stateless? Because that is what Israel says. How can you defend that? Igbo land is not stateless. It is part of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Onlinetutor7:
Now you have agreed to the fact that the Jews were the ones in the Land before the Romans conquered them and that Arabs only came in centuries later.

You can only argue right to the land between the Romans and Arabs.

The Jews is way before both.

Of course, just as Canaanites were there before the Jews themselves, whose ancestor came from Iraq.

But get your facts right. Romans never settled in Palestine. The area was only a colony just as Nigeria was a Colony to Britain.

Saying that Romans have more rights than Arabs is absurd because Arabs settled there for over a millennium already, and till date.

Not even the Eastern Roman Empire settled there, it remained a colony of what was called the Byzantine Empire (same as Eastern Roman Empire) before the Turks (Ottomans conquered Constantinople).

The overall point is that as if today it makes no sense to say Arabs are not indigenes of a place they have also dwelt in for over a thousand years. In that thousand years, more Arabs than Jews dwelt there before 1948.

The solution is equality, balance. Not one state enslaving another which is what has happened since 1948.

Unbiased1:
You said the Occupier did not allow military installations of the occupied people. Did you know that Palestinians have their own Police and Civil Defence in both Gaza and the West Bank operated by Hamas and Palestinian Authority? Did you know that these Police and Civil Defence forces are allowed to carry assault rifles and other hand held weapons? They have their headquarters, various stations and formations across Gaza and the West Bank. Gaza and Israel are very small territories. In Israel, due to the proximity of their Military bases to civilian sites, the Israeli government setup sirens to warn the citizens of any incoming threat. In Israel, it is also compulsory for all new houses to have a bomb shelter where its citizens can quickly run to for protection from bomb blasts. In Gaza, Hamas spends millions of dollars building tunnels. These tunnels are just as effective as the bomb shelters in Israel. What stopped Hamas fighters from fighting on the ground while Palestinian civilians run into these tunnels anytime there is a confrontation between IDF troops and Hamas fighters? Even the political leader of Hamas said in an interview that the death of Palestinians is in line with their course and here you are trying to whitewash Hamas of using its own people as Human shields.

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Pls when we say certain things let us be fair. Police supervised strictly by Israel in the West Bank do not amount to military installations. You know very well that nowhere in the world is a police establishment the same as military installations.

Secondly it is untrue that Israel allows armed local police in Gaza. Armed by who? They would simply see that as terrorists.

Pls don't make unfair comparisons. You talk about bomb shelters in Israel, a nuclear state protected by the richest and most powerful country in the world, and you compare that to Hamas tunnels. That's very unfair.

A captured and imprisoned population with a rag tag group of fighters among them is what you want to compare to the protection of the worlds best technology and wealthiest nation as it's ally.

And you say, oh, they should separate by sending the civilians into those rag tag tunnels and go and stand as sitting ducks on the surface where unmanned drones will just pick them off, and even the civilians will not be safe in the rag tag dungeons. This is just absurd.

You are not comparing first world security, technology and finances to third world, you are comparing quantum technology to that of a group of mosquitoes fleeing into a shoe from insecticide.

Onlinetutor7:
Romans conquered the Jews in 1st century C.E.

The Arabs took over in 6th Century C.E. After almost 400 years

Ottoman empire also had their era of country, before it finally fell to Britain.

Every historical book about that land always talks about the Roman empire and it's espionage. Arabs came in after the Romans.
These are Facts.

Romans conquered the Jews in the First Century C.E?

In short you are saying they hadn't conquered Jews before Christ. They had. Get elementary facts right.

Maybe you are referring to the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, after which most Jews went into diaspora.

So if according to you, Romans were there for 400 years, tell me how that is superior to Arabs who have been there for 1,300 years?

You don't even understand basic history. I gave you links to look at demographics throughout history, no you can't.

89green:
Bring it on na, since you hate the truth

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He's failed already.

Onlinetutor7:
Oct 7, proved that Hamas was a terrorist group and not Palestinian Military as they cared not about the catastrophe they were bringing on Palestines.

Gazans were shielding Hamas because they taught Hamas had a profitable objective but now they will have the option to purge them out and live in peace with their neighbors.

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Anyway, I have said as much as I can say. Just remember that its easy to call oppressed fighters terrorist. I will never be tired of saying that Mandela was called same by Britain and America - even the ANC, which is the ruling party in South Africa today - they were branded terrorists by Margaret Thatcher.

Look at your post, you say Hamas was not "Palestinian Military" - LOL - as if any formal Palestinian Military was EVER allowed!

If you are asked about Israeli terrorism you will probably say it doesnt exist.

Let me stop here before my people will come again and say I am a terrorist sympathizer and Hamas Spokesman.

Onlinetutor7:
Arabs took over after the Roman conquest.

The Jews were the ones conquered by Romans before Arabs ever taught of taking over the land.

Romans have more claim on the land than even Arabs, let alone comparing Arabs and Jews

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No, Romans do not. They have not dwelt there for 1, 300 years, never.

Also Jews removed people forcefully from same lands. They didnt fall from heaven magically onto that land.

Abraham, their father, was from Iraq.

And both Jews and Arabs are semitic people.

Your history is still surface history. Not deep studying. Try visit the links when you have say one hour free.

And just drop the bias. I am not Jew, I am not Arab, neither do I have any as relatives. In fact I dont believe in Islam, Judaism or even Christianity. Adopt a balanced stand.

Onlinetutor7:
Civilians are bound to die in war. The number of civilians who celebrated October 7, is far beyond number of civilians who have lost their lifes and they did so because they are being used as human shields by Hamas. Hamas caused their death

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Collateral damage is different from targeting civilians.

And also please stop this human shield thing. I asked you where Hamas will live if not within the population when Israel does not permit military barracks? Will they have lived on the moon?

You have to understand what you are saying. Do you mean the civilians population and the military population (Hamas) should have been separated and if so, just tell me how exactly. Because it is impossible when you are talking about an occupied space where the occupier does not allow military installations of the occupied people.

You mentioned knowledge of history and thats the only reason I responded to you.

Show that knowledge. Its alot of reading but when you l have time, see the links i shared with you. As I said, dont read just mine, read the very good rebuttals offered me by Unbiased1, and thats how I respect a person. Because even when disagreeing he is very well read.

Onlinetutor7:
Over the past decade there have been attacks on Israel from Hamas and Israels response have been mild and specific to avoid escalation
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‎October 7, was an insult beyond measure
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‎We saw our Palestinians were rejoicing on the Street.
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‎Israel had to respond in the manner they did, to crush the spirit of the Palestinians so that next time they won't dare
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‎Such celebration is a moral booster for Hamas
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‎Gazans messed up in celebrating Oct 7

ALL GAZANS?

I am sure you saw two million people celebrating right? Which camera captured the celebration of two million people?

As per the history -

https://www.nairaland.com/8503521/gaza-city-razed-hamas-does/7#136560185

https://www.nairaland.com/8503521/gaza-city-razed-hamas-does/8#136638178

Go through these.

You will also find the responses of Unbiased1 there which he deserves credit for.

No matter what, never celebrate the murder of civilians. I do not celebrate the murder by Hamas of civilians either.
We should just be frank and admit that one thing leads to another.

You make it sound as though Israel was a quiet nation not forcefully occupying the Palestinians and not seizing lands on the West Bank and not killing hundreds there and suddenly, one Hamas came from the moon and attacked them on October 7.

That is just wrong.

Anyone who is objective knows that both sides have done wrong things, the minute you say its only one side, you are not objective.

Onlinetutor7:
The Jews have a longer history on the land that goes beyond 70 years

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Of course.

So do the Arabs - 1, 300 years about! They are also indigenous there.

Jews were there before, just as surely as Canaanites where there before Jews - and Jews slaughtered them and took over!

You cant be one sided. Thats why I said, just start from 70 years, if you want to go back in history, I will show you where we broke it down, myself and a pro-Israeli poster. Its waaaaaaay deeper.

I sha hope you are not one of those who will claim history and end by saying it is the promised land given by God to Jews.

Onlinetutor7:
What is going on in Gaza is a War. There must be civilian casualties in a war. Most especially when the civilians are acting as a human shield because they have same ideology as the terrorist group.

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You are still implicating all civilians - some two million people!

Secondly saying that they are a human shied is absurd.

Israel does not permit any military base in Gaza.

Therefore where do you expect Hamas to be? On the moon?

Of course they will be within the population, where else would they be?

And so long as they are there, Israel will make the excuse that the civilians are being used as a human shield.

Tell me where on Earth Hamas is expected to be, even when the ENTIRE population is surrounded by Israel and not permitted to go in or out?

It is an absurd excuse.

Also you are still wrong when you think this is a special different war that started on October 7.

Nope, it is one and the same so called war (but really occupation) which has been going on for decades even before Hamas existed.

Onlinetutor7:
Yes, they did. They perpetuated and celebrated Oct 7

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In the context of this thread which is talking about civilians then you are saying the entire civilian population are legitimate targets for the IDF to kill. Thats the direct implication of what you are saying.

Onlinetutor7:
You said the current War did not start with October 7, I said it did.

If you can give the pre-october 7 account of this current war (History) I will debate you on it

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I have replied. I said the occupation of the last 70 years.

Onlinetutor7:
Gazans brought it on themselves

Look what you wrote earlier.

Onlinetutor7:
Hamas upgraded their onslaught on October 7, and Israel have responded in kind.

For the past decade Israel's response have been mild and specific, but October brought the beast out.

October 7 remains cause of the the current War

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No, the cause is the occupation of a people for about 70 years.

And one can even stretch it back, but thats the minimum.

No one calls a fightback against foreign occupation the single cause without looking at that foreign occupation.

No one even remembers how many Israel had killed in the west bank in that same 2023 before October. No one. That is not balanced.

Onlinetutor7:
You guys will be shouting history, if I decide to debate you now on the history you will still run.

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You said Gazans brought it on themselves.

You did not say Hamas oh.

You said Gazans - in short ALL Palestinians living in Gaza.

Prove that with your so called knowledge of history.

tctrills:
You go explain tire no evidence

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Of which one?

Of the Israeli's admitting they had free rein on civilians?

Of Trump being involved in Jan 6?

Of you labelling me a dangerous racist who can harm a Jew if he sees one?

Which one exactly?

Anyway how you dey, stubborn man.

grandstar:
Both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israelis are birds of the same father. You both have the same father.

Genocide is genocide! Many pro-Palestinians throw under the carpet why the IDF was so brutal. Hamas for no reason in the world slaughtered over 1,200 civilians.

Gaza had massive potentials when Ariel Sharon pulled out the Jewish settlers from the enclave in 2005. This was a blessing. It won't be bugged down endless blocakades that make life frustrating for Palestians living in the West Bank.

Did Hamas grabbed the opportunity with both hands? No. IIt just to fan the flames of war with Israel, reinstating their determination of annilating the Israel, from the river to the sea! For 16 years in Gaza, the only thing they were known for was sending rockets into Isreal rather than develop Gaza.

Despite such a failure, they now invaded Israel and annilated over 1,000 people and many as hostages.

Now, let's turn to the pro-Israel camps.

One can imagine the anger at the gross injustice commited by Hamas. It had no justification, It was their rage they meted out on Palestinians. They felt they were all collectively responsible. All were complicit to them.

However, there's a difference between understanding why they killed innocent men, women, and children with such impunity but it does not justify it. Many have openly admitted they intentionally targetted civilains.

These are war crimes, inexcusable war crimes. The only reason that make them appealing to pro-Israel crowd is they believe that the nation of Isreal is God's own country, and thereforce, anything it does, has God's blessing. That's just arrant nonsense.

Even the Bible does not support that belief (Read Matthew 23:37-39

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This is balanced.

Only thing I will add which people still ignore is that this never began on October 7.

But cheers, very well balanced post.

Unbiased1:
Why you dey call me?
The report said the discovery was made by BBC, a biased and stupid media organisation that was exposed 2 days ago for editing Trumps speech and releasing fake news about Israel burying Palestinians in mass graves at a hospital. The BBC and The Guardian are 2 Pro-Palestine propaganda media houses. Why use fake names of Soldiers? Let those soldiers that said these nonsense flee to a neutral country and tell us their real names. They could potentially stand as evidence against Israel at the ICJ that is if they are real to start with.

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I hope you know that this has been public knowledge long before this report.

Why I dey call you? I dey call you as Chief Israeli Spokesman.

Some people dey call me Chief Hamas Spokesman wey I no be at all, (Kukutente23) so accept yours, which is still more respectable.

Anyone who says I have been speaking in the interest of the freedom of Palestinians, would be correct. Not Hamas, there is a distinction. But nah so dem don brand me, even calling me a racist who hates white people - when nothing could be further from the truth. Your man tctrills even says if I see a Jewish person I might harm him. Imagine that?

A non religious person such as me should even be congratulated for being concerned about the freedom, safety and rights of people whose religions I have a very dim view of. And oh, that extends to Jews - their freedom, safety and rights, because if they dont sort this issue out, they will live in a permanent state of war for generations more, not to speak of inspiring anti-Semitism to greater heights.

There is nothing I have not heard - I am a bigot, I am a racist, I am anti-Semitic - even a tribalist. Not even when no one can show me one tribalist post I have ever made. On the contrary, I have consistently urged people not to be tribalist.

Create a balance, live and let live is the solution - that is the solution for Israel and Palestine. If one side are a captive and occupied people, it can NEVER work, no matter how long it remains.

Please this is not BBC Propaganda - or Guardian Propaganda, the information has been out there for long already from several sources.

As for BBC editing Trump's speech, to whatever extent that happened, no one can deny Trump's role in January 6. Anyone who does that is just not being honest. He was the chief instigator.

Ourtruth247:
I've answered this question before but I'll expand on my answer

Not every human on earth has a human soul.

The beings that control our world also reincarnate into human bodies as way to directly influence human affairs, mostly through global politics and positions of power.

There are also humans who are born without a soul. These people are practically NPCs who were specifically programmed by the controllers to distract actual souls from attaining enlightenment

Also, this planet is literally a prison planet. What this means is that souls who are captured from other planets are sent here and put in human bodies and memory wiped as a form of punishment

Life was seeded on earth after the reset. Humans were genetically engineered and distributed across the planet in thousands. It wasn't just one man and one woman reproducing and multiplying.

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Lets be careful not to assume the numbers of controllers, souls and NPCs as you call them.
In truth, all be all to certain degrees.

Also, your assessment bears the risk of insinuating that most people in power are not human.

LordReed:
OK but can you explain why human population explosion and the increase in average life span correlates so well with medical technology advances? Why didn't the human population explode into the billions we see today a thousand years ago?

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Doubtless, improvement in medical science has played a huge role, but do remember the simple multiplier effect over long periods of time. Namely that when ten people reproduce, they will not reproduce what 100 will at the same rate, neither will those 100 reproduce what a 1000 would at the same rate, the rate and speed will differ. When this is taken over millenia, the expansion will also have a natural explanation in the multiplier effect as well.

But hey, no way I am underestimating medicine.

Kukutente23:
So those LCDAs are extra-constitutional and thus illegal. In fact, Lagos is already thinking of dissolving them now that their man is hypocritically in the saddle. Just as he has repudiated everything he condemned other Federal Govts for in just two years of being in the saddle!

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Just as he will never address the same restructuring that was the core ideology he stood on forever.

Unbiased1 oh.

Ebenezer2021:
anyone who hates Trump and supports Democrats is directly or indirectly supporting LGBTQ

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So once I hate Trump for all his clearly despicable actions and words, and I support the generality of Democrat views, I am automatically a lover of LGBTQ ideas and support them.

That's not nuanced.

There is good and evil on both sides, the question is the weight of such.

And yes, one can also support the freedom of LGBTQ people without supporting certain practices such as child sex change, male competition in female sport, adoption by same sex couples and others. There is nuance to everything.

You can't just say, oh you hate Trump? You support Democrats? Then automatically you support all things queer.

That's like saying, oh you hate democrats? You support Conservatives? Then automatically you must be racist.

No, there is nuance.

budaatum:
No he wasn't right.

As soon as that someone he shot on 5th Avenue in daylight starts to stink up the neighbourhood he loses support.

Even these folks here can't hold their noses forever.

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He was refering to his extremist base and on that he is quite right.

They will say he is not racist even if he says on TV that blacks are monkeys. They will say he was quoted out if context.

Etc.

Since there is at yet no philosophy section here, I have to make do here.

How many strange existential questions have you ever pondered?

Examples:

1. What are you?

2. Do you exist?

3. Does the world around you exist?

4. Who are the people you see around you. Are they real, or reflections of your inner mind?

5. Is the world an experiment?

6. Is life a dream?

7. Assuming that you are real, and the world around you is real, what is the purpose of your existence?

8. Most people identify "God" as their creator. If you are such a theist (or even deist) what is that God to you?

We will expand on these questions, on each one, on philosophical thoughts about each one, and many more, as we go along.