Jakumo: Is this an indirect way of letting us know that Lagos is full of mad people?
+ Way overdue. The famous place on the left is way too old, tattered and weak to handle a minimum of 19 million insane denizens (which include diseased stray dogs, very large fearless and pompous rats and members of the political class).
basilico: The next big thing. Beyond Meats. To save our planet climate change proponents pushed for no beef but instead eat vegan and lab grown meats. Once boasting of Bill Gates (
+ You know in your heart that if Trump says tomorrow that there is no need for trees anywhere on the planet, you will agree.
basilico: Everyone makes mistakes. Some make yuuge ones . Trump is not perfect at all. I've been clear, I tend to agree more with his policies than with other leaders be they conservative or not I'll list five major ones. His policy on China & Israel. His stand on immigrants allowing those who add value and not intent on imposing their cultures. Promote local manufacturing as opposed to corporate greed of outsourcing of shipping jobs abroad. His frack baby frack,which stabilizes global oil prices His position on Climate change.
NB. I've questioned why we don't manufacture eg toothpicks in Nigeria. I don't see why we should not refine oil for local and export, we've been told there is lot of idle oil refining capacity abroad. We import 60% of refined today. Why don't we have a gazillion thermal plants ? Peak output ever was 5.5Gwh in Feb this year ,against an estimate total demand of 17GW. WB and other global finance don't want fossil fuel generating plants and funding them is an uphill task. Because they are climate change proponents, we can't meet demand for power. No company should fail to meet ready demand for it's products.
His policies are nationalist not globalist.
+ My point is made.
I didnt ask if he was perfect or made mistakes. That's common to all humans. Neither did I ask about some mere technical commercial policies which can be debated one way or the other without any moral or legal issues arising. I took time to describe what I was referring to, that there should be some moral or legal wrong one can point to, even if just one, which is all I was seeking - or rather not seeking because I knew you would not find even one.
My point is made: - even though I didnt need to ask at all, because we all know already -
That you cannot think of a single wrong thing Trump has done.
This alone establishes the fact that no one should discuss Trump with you.
As much as I am cool with an Obama, if you were to ask me, I would list his several horrendous and shameful atrocities right away.
That is the difference between you and I. You cannot mention even one evil about a notoriously evil man.
In your old age, God sparing you, like in your eighties and nineties, take time to reflect on what that meant.
Thats my counsel to you. Sadly, I know you would live till the end thinking and saying the man never did anything wrong.
The painful thing here is that even if the Epstein files were one day released and he was proven to be a p3do, you would dismiss and defend it - 100 per cent sure. Not just you, hoards of millions will.
Kukutente23: Are you ordering the bottle around? Read Prov 20:1
+ There needs to me a form of exacting corporal punishment unto disrespectful youngsters created on this forum. Because you deserve 12 hard strokes of a pepper laced flaming bamboo cane.
Now learn -
Psalm 104:14-15: This verse describes wine as a gift from God for human enjoyment.
"He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate—bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread that sustains their hearts."
Ecclesiastes 9:7: This is an exhortation to enjoy life, which includes consuming wine.
"Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do."
John 2:1-11 (The Wedding at Cana): This passage records Jesus' first miracle, where he changes a large quantity of water into wine at a wedding feast, which is taken as an approval of its use.
1 Timothy 5:23: The Apostle Paul advises Timothy to drink wine for medicinal reasons.
"Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses."
Deuteronomy 14:26: This Old Testament verse permits the use of tithe money to buy strong drink for celebration before the Lord.
"Spend the money on whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household."
+ Everyone knows that. You are saying something that no one can hold him with, its his established style, it s even used by people like you to defend him. Let me rephrase my question.
Do you know of any single wrong or illegal statement or deed by Trump? I am not talking about "trash talking."
I mean a statement that invokes corruption, racism or the like, or a deed of similar status, such as fraud, falsehood, sexual assualt, sexual participation with minors, or any other acts of a criminal nature, or abuse of office, incitement of hatred, etc.
I am testing you. I once told you that you can defend anything Trump does. I want to see if you can point out a single real wrong thing he has done in your view.
basilico: Jan 6 instigator? 100% wrong. The day belonged to certifying and electing the President elect. There were outstanding states eg Georgia that had a petition pending on Jan 8. House members were free to raise objections about which electoral colleges were to be counted. 5 states had their electors and alternate GOP electors. By law they objections are allowed to be raised . Then debsted on for 1 hour after which a vote is taken If no compromise, the VP would have 10 days delay for states to finalize on the legitimate electoral votes If the worst came to the worst the states would vote for the President each state gets one vote only ,the one who won most states goes through. Im not very familiar but that's allowed. Trump had more states. (29 if I'm right.
To prevent that scenario. ,the session has to be stopped by all means. Two bombs discovered a few minutes before the objections were raised. Pelosi immediately adjourns the session. At 12:52 pm the bomb discovery diverts a lot of Capitol police . Ray Epps whispers into someone's ears who immediately proceeds to remove the barriers,with reduced police presence. The crowd marches onto the Capitol.The fedsurrection is underway.....
At night an Emergency certification session is resumed.The rules are different No objection is alliwed. Joe Biden is certified the winner.
Long and short.Ttunp didn't incite anyone. Protests are allowed. Deep state ensured the session was adjourned to prevent objections Planting the bomb and incitement by feds + Antifa . No Antifa member was ever arrested.Pipe bomber has never been found by FBI. Ray Epps secured a blessed suspended sentence by Judge Boasberg after a lot of pushback. Over 1500 Protesters got indicted,not a single one for insurrection.
Then they went after Trump and over 430 Republicans under Arctic Frost investigation . The alternate electors were charged by the state AGs. Trump pardoned them yesterday, those states got the go ahead from the Arctic Frost.
Save this post in your Google drive for future reference.
+ Random question. Is there anything you can point out that Trump has ever done or said wrong. Thank you.
It's obvious that you have not had case in court before or got involved in land matters litigation.
That is bad PR to the retired officer. He could actually land in bigger problems ,even arrested and prosecuted.
The Minister represents the President. If he takes on the Minister then he is taking on the President and that's bad for him.
Interestingly, the retired officer wouldn't send his own son on such errand and when he was a young officer, he wasn't having a shouting match publicly with constituted authorities or behaving the way the young officer behaved to the Minister. If he was behaving like that he would not get to the pinnacle of his career.
FG will investigate the appropriateness or otherwise of a serving or retired senior military officer to give order to a junior officer to restrain a Minister on his lawful duty from performing his duty. That will be visited to ensure that such disgraceful scene never happens again.
That Junior Officer should have known the limits of his discretion and just kept quiet after saying he was obeying order which has now turned out to be an order given by a retired military officer.
So if tomorrow, retired or serving officers tell him to slap a government official, he will do it niyen.
It was the President he was challenging by placing the 'order ' above the authority of the president delegated to the Minister.
Whatever incentive he got or was promised by the retired Senior Officer for him to behave in that manner must be investigated too. Haba!
It is completely unacceptable that the Minister was prevented from performing his lawful duty by a junior officer acting on the order of a retired military officer. Everyone including the junior officer and the retired Senior naval officer should by now have been rounded up and quizzed if it's not already done.
That video is a very sad event that embarrasses the President and the nation.
+ The fact that Gambo is retired is something you are misunderstanding. First, for life, he will have Naval officers attached to him. Second, what they do in his service is on the orders of serving superiors. So drop this retired thing.
Kukutente23: Where are you people getting the idea that police is older than army? Historically, army emerged before police Even in the Bible, there were armies before police Police came out of army
ono: It's not hard to know that. You have been "wired" like that - not to understand by several years of guzzling real leftist media stuff and their propaganda. It's the liberal mindset. Your worldview is different.
For example, let me ask you one question - and don't spin things. Just give straight answer.
The new discovery that the BBC (disgraceful, left leaning evil media propaganda house) doctored Trump's speech on Jan 6th 2021 to include "fight like hell" and make it look like him urging people on to go fight in the Capitol. Did you at the time not believe that Trump made that comment - until more than an hour later (as later shown)? Yes or No.
+ One could easily be at the mercy of devious media houses, yes. No denying that. In fact, notwithstanding my great hatred of the man, I will add that he was also widely misunderstood on the "good people on both sides" comment re: Charleston. Because media often left out his specific exclusion of neo nazis. So I can admit that (I know your question is not for me, but just offering my view).
Now the thing is this, for many Trumpists, this is conclusive proof that the man had no hand in Jan 6. Thats wrong for me. Regardless of what BBC did, he was still the chief instigator.
autodexter: Guys, apart from the president(gcfr) which other civilian can make this soldier to disobey a direct order from his general? Does the Minister of defence have the power?
+ The Minister of Defence never excecises operational command of forces. His role is administrative support in a civil service back ground sense.
Therefore the Service Chiefs never report to any Minister of Defense, neither is he their senior. They report to the Commander in Chief.
The primary reason the buildings were demolished is to hide history. Those buildings especially the ones in the united states do not fit into the historical narrative. There is no way to explain their existence given what we have been told about the history of the united states.
And if this was proven to be a lie, it would raise other questions about similar buildings around the world, and people will begin to question the entire historical narrative of our world
And like you rightly mentioned, another reason why some buildings were demolished is because they contained technology that increased the vibration of the environment.
For instance, lots of cathedrals had huge bells that were removed, confisticated and destroyed during the 1800s and early 1900s. We are told that the bells were used as a form of communication and destroyed to acquire valuable metals like copper and tin for war efforts.
However my research suggests that these bells produced certain frequencies that had healing properties
You also see empty geometrically precise windows on cathedrals, as if something was previously there and got taken out.
When you study cymatics you notice that these geometrical shapes on these windows reflect the same complex pattern as when a piano is connected to a Chladni plate containing either sand or salt and notes of different frequencies are played.
Those American buildings you refer to all fit into history and I am surprised you are looking at a timeframe as recent as the 19th century to make these claims when there are real architectural ruins which are thousands of years old and very grand and cannot be explained by conventional history.
basilico: Let me tell you. Obama is the one who divided America. He did it to preserve democrat majority.Created every grievance group he could mainstreaming DEI and Wokeness.
Trump just talks within earshot what majority of whites think.Its is carefully messaged by the media yo construct the monster appearance.
He said Mexicans aren't sending their best, he meant the cartels and criminals but he didn't label all Mexican as criminals rapists .Don't remember who thought coyote was a wild animal when he said "Children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people, cartels, and they're brought here and it's easy to use them to get into our country". .That was the context of the rape majority of girls trafficked in are raped enroute. On the contrary he calls Mexicans, Chinese,Japanese smart and the previous trade negotiators dumb for being ripped off in trade deals .
Any word he misspeaks,and it 24/7 news cycle. Every action including falling gas prices is reported negativily.
I won't go through every example you quoted .It's media that blows it out of context.
Trump is answerable to noone ,not even to Elon Musk , that's why every elitist and globalists are against him. If you don't know why,look no further than what's going on in Brazil. America would have committed billions more to CO2 reduction in Cop30 by this minute had it been Kamala. While China has brought 21GW of coal plants by June alone. 21GW using an average of 700MW is 30 coal plants in 26 weeks. Microsoft and Google are looking to restart 2 nuclear power plants for their AI datacentres. 600MW each. There are trillions of dollars that Trump is blocking globalists from accessing and laundering .
One would take you seriously if you defended some statements and criticized others. What is cringe worthy is the fact that you will defend every single statement no matter how reprehensible.
Sadly this is common to almost every Trumpist to the man.
That's how one knows it's brainwashing.
That's how I know if he said yo mama is a munki, you would defend it.
Miggs: My African brothers and sisters are painfully naive of the inner workings in the world. Personally,i believe the USA is a trillion times worse than ISIS
+ Please what kind of drinks do you take, I have to send you a crate this Xmas. Well said!
Ndenomy: Well they are terrorists when the west labels them. I hope you all western arss lickers are able to see the double standards by the westerners.
Why i don’t take them seriously. This guy used to be a known “terrorist@ according to the west and now that he’s doing their bid, he no longer a terrorist and now baptized by the same usa .. Osama nd the rest were not really terrorists then
+ Unbiased1 I hope you are taking notes on the matter of who and who is a terrorist to the West, which I always argue.
Unbiased1: You claim Gaza has no capacity to put almost 2 million people into tunnels, so is it Israel that has that capacity? Even Russia can't put 2 million people inside a tunnel but it can hide hundreds of people in multiple streets inside a tunnel when there is a ground battle taking place above.
+ What do you mean when virtually every building has a bomb shelter?
And again, Israel does not control the Palestinian Police and Civil Defence.
+ You are just wrong and badly informed on this one. Not up to your usual standard. Of course the PA's security is strictly under Israeli control and supervision. This is known everywhere.
Here is what obtains.
The security situation is based on a partial implementation of the Oslo Accords.
It is run as follows - -------------------------------- The Oslo Accords permitted the PA to establish internal security forces (police, intelligence, etc.), but specifically prohibited the establishment of a Palestinian army or the acquisition of military capabilities.
Area A (West Bank): The PA has formal responsibility for internal security in Area A, which encompasses major Palestinian cities. However, Israeli security forces frequently conduct operations in Area A, a practice Israel asserts is necessary for its overall security control of the West Bank.
Area B: The PA has administrative control, but Israel retains overriding security control.
Area C: Israel retains full security control.
Israeli Overall Security Responsibility:
Under the agreements, Israel maintains overall security responsibility for Israelis and settlements, defense against external threats (air, sea, and borders with Jordan and Egypt), and the prevention of any military threat developing in Palestinian territory.
This is the basis for the Israeli government's demand for the demilitarization of any future Palestinian entity.
PA's Limited Authority: The limitations placed on the Palestinian Security Forces (prohibition on heavy weapons, restricted deployment areas, and deference to Israeli "overall security responsibility" ) were meant for the transitional phase. Since a final settlement was never reached, these limitations remain in force, preventing the PA from exercising full security sovereignty. ------------------------------------------- *Culled
Unbiased1: See talk oo. There is no air defense system in the world that is impregnable. The much hyped S300 and S400 Russian defense system in Iran were wiped out by Israel in 24 hours. The Iron Dome system didn't intercept 31 - 34 ballistic missiles from Iran out over over 550 missiles fired. That is an interception rate of over 95%. As we speak, Germany has signed a multi billion dollar deal with Israel for a defense project in Germany, same with Denmark. Every reasonable country in Europe has a defense deal with Israel because of the quality of Israel's defense technology. I would pick a defense system that has 95% success rate to the one that was wiped out in 24 hours without a single interception.
+ I dont say the dome is useless, its good. It has just never been tested by a worthy adversary. The 95 percent success rate against a decrepit Iran is nothing. By myth, I mean its over-rated so far, and that was shown. Remember the USA was helping them shoot down as well, so you cant even attribute that so called success rate to the dome alone.
Your excuse of Iran not being able to build its air force because of sanctions is laughable. Iran has spent billions of dollars developing ballistic missiles, thousands of them. Iran is one of the largest exporters of crude oil to China, if not the largest. Iran has multiple sets of Russian S-300 air defense systems. Each set costs between 150 million to 300 million dollars depending on specification. A single F-35 fighter jet Israel used to wipe out those useless S-300 systems cost around 109 million dollars and in some cases, about 82 million dollars for the F-35A. If Iran could afford S-300 systems from Russia, and build short, medium and long range ballistic missiles in their thousands, and still maintain it's nuclear program, then Iran could have purchased newer Jet fighters from China and Russia which are cheaper than the American Jets. Pakistan makes use of Chinese fighter jets so why can't Iran buy from China? Dude, you have to stop making excuses for these terrorists. Israel is superior to Iran because it has better intelligence gathering, better technology and spends its money more judiciously than Iran. Iran could have destroyed all of Israel with it's numerous ballistic missiles and countless number of suicide drones, Israel military intelligence and strategy showed that quality is always better than quantity.
+ I did say Israel is vastly superior so I cant see what to argue about here. I generally agree, except on your attempt to say the sanctions have no effect.
Unbiased1: I don't write based on hearsay, I write based on verifiable information. The Palestinian Authority and Hamas have their armed forces that operate independently from Israel. Below are screenshots from Al-Jazeera detailing the activities of the PA Force last year in the West Bank. These forces carry guns, they have armoured personnel carriers and RPGs.
+ You cannot deny that whatever forces the Palestinian Authority has to police its decreasing spaces (where its people and are limited in their movement by Israel apartheid rules), such forces are strictly supervised by Israeli Forces.
Na lie?
America's support for Israel is not the reason why Israeli home developers build bomb shelters. I know that Palestinians do not have all the sophisticated air defense systems Israel has, but that is not enough reason for Hamas not to use those tunnels to protect its civilians. Also note that some of these tunnels are large enough for cars to drive into, many of them have air conditioners, proper electrical wirings, radio communication systems, food banks and so on. Hamas should have allowed its civilians hide in these tunnels and that's the bitter truth you don't want to accept. I've also attached a link to a video showcasing the amenities in some Hamas tunnels. Stop creating excuses for Hamas and Palestinians in general, let them face the consequences of their miscalculations since the 1937 Peel accords till date.
+ There is no comparison abeg. Israel can protect almost every civilian, Gaza has no capacity to put almost 2 million people into tunnels. At best they can put some, and you cannot know that they dont do that, especially when almost every Gazan is regarded as suspected Hamas.
The Iron dome is not designed to intercept missiles that would land in less threatening areas (you dont expect it to intercept a missile that is heading into the sea or forest nah🤷♂️
The Iron dome has an interception rate of 98%, of course it is normal when you fire over 500 missiles, atleast 2% would go through (that does not in anyway affect the efficacy of the Iron Dome).
Even Iran knew that most of the missiles would be intercepted, that was why they fired in that ridiculous numbers, with the hope that a few of those numbers would go through (a waste of ballistic missiles to be honest).
One common thing in all of Iran's direct Missile attacks on Israel has been the 0 record of civilian casualty, despite the missiles targeted into Israeli cities, that should tell you that the Iron dome around the cities intercept almost every Missile heading towards civilian areas.
Remember after Hezbollah's leader Hassan Nasrallah was killed, Iran sent over 200 missiles into Israel and the Iron Dome intercepted almost all of them. The only recorded casualty in that attack was a Palestinian man staying in Israel that was killed by a projectile of an intercepted ballistic missile.
The Iron Dome itself is VERY EXPENSIVE, every single interception costs Israel thousands of dollars. So in other to increase effectiveness while drastically reducing cost, Israel has developed a new air defence system called the IRON BEAM, which cost not up to 100 dollars per interception and is said to be more effective than the Iron Dome.
We await the next attacks against Israel so we see the Iron Beam in action.
+ I dont mean that its a myth in that it doesn't work, I mean its obviously exaggerated and bear in mind that it wasn't just the Iron Dome working, Western Nations especially the USA were helping them shoot down almost everything.
hegelian: The same Americans that are becoming more conservatives relative to islam abi. Western countries are becoming conservatives giving deadly blow to Islamist, from Italy to France, UK, Australia, us, Netherland, Portugal.. In the next ten years, Islamist will be uprooted from those countries back to stone age where una belong.. Don't Nigerians are waking up to and in a decade islam will be almost non existent innyoriba land courtesy of our renewed thirst to see islam for the evil it is
+ Whether this is true or not, the facts are that Islam remains the fastest growing religion in the world - not because they convince more people but because they dont joke with knacking.
Also bear in mind that Israel has made alot of enemies for itself around the world and west especially in the last one to two years, especially among young people.
And you are even listing countries that because of that have recently recognized Palestine.
Listen to yourself, How can someone who gave you the final blow that sent you to coma, call you not to attack the person who initiated the fight, and you agreed?
Imagine it this way:
You have spent billions trying to develop let's say a machine in your own land, then one of the residents in another community (Mr. A) told you squarely that he can't allow you develop that machine. You continued nonetheless, and Mr. A in an attempt to frustrate the continuation of the development, began assassinating all the workers you hired to help you develop the machine. But you still continued regardless. Mr. A got fed up with your stubbornness and outrightly attacked the location of the machine development, neutralised every threat on sight and destroyed everything there. However, Mr. A realised that he does not yet possess the weapon that can destroy the primary component, then he contacted his friend Mr. B who strolled into your already neutralised compound and dropped the necessary bombs that destroyed that primary component. Mr. A in an attempt to prevent you from commencing it any time soon, hunted and killed all the people connected to the production of that machine and went back to his house.
Angered, you fired over 500 missiles into the compound of Mr. A, 90% of which were intercepted by Mr. A's air defences, and the few which made it through merely touched a few REPLACEABLE buildings, with NONE of Mr. A's workers, family members or even pets killed by any of those USELESS MILLES you fired..
Whose objectives were met between You and Mr. A??
I hope you're aware that Israel was NOT in a war with Iran? It had military OBJECTIVES, went into Iran with its fighter jets, accomplished ALL its objectives and left with NO SINGLE resistance from Iran (that alone was a big slap on the face of the toothless Iran). If Israel was at war with Iran, then it would have LEVELED TEHRAN to the ground, as more than 100 Israeli fighter jets kept maneuvering the skies of Tehran for days without ANY attack from the so called "strong Iran".
Why couldn't Iran return the favour by sending its own fighter jets into Israel if it knew it was so powerful like most of you ignorant clowns make them feel? Instead, they hid behind their remote controls and fired hundreds of USELESS MISSILES indiscriminately into Israel while HOPING that some of them should atleast get through (this had been Iran's ONLY response since the beginning of the Israel and Hamas conflict).
Iran does not have the balls to send fighter jets into Israel, they know very well that not even one of those jets would return back to Tehran
+ They are simply not at par with Israel (plus its full western backing) either militarily or financially. And they have also been crippled in many ways for a long time. Deliberately and very strategically.
Iran is no where near there yet. However its not true to say that their missiles achieved nothing. Its fair to say that it showed up the Iron Dome as a myth. Because that was a test by a very crippled, weakened adversary with almost no airforce whatsoever and with sanctions for years that have denied it strategic improvement options.
Thus, at the minimum it showed that the Iron Dome is nothing near the impregnable system it was touted as.
And even at that we all know there was an information blackout on the real level of damage done by Iranian missiles.
I know for certain you would not claim that a China or Russia cannot touch them, technology-wise. The only reason is that they have no strategic interest in doing so and no desire to enter a war with their Papa Uncle Sam.
basilico: Democrats have divided the society into classes and groups of oppressed victims and oppressors.
+ One sometimes wonders at the things you guys can say. Everyone knows who has stoked division and been the greatest purveyor of hatred and racism in the USA in the last decade.
Everyone knows who said "they are poisoning our blood."
Everyone knows who said "they are eating the cats and dogs."
Everyone knows who said "s hole countries."
Everyone knows who said "They've gotta go."
Everyone knows who said "The Mexicans are ra pists."
Everyone knows who leads the charge against a principle calculated for actual equity and inclusion and has made it a dirty word for the right.
Everyone knows who has worked tirelessly against minorities.
Everyone knows who talks down at immigrants despite not only being the child of immigrants but having an immigrant wife who, laugh of the century, was given an Einstein Immigration Pass while he cries about competence and how DEI is terrible. An Einstein pass for a model who has her nudes all over the place, gets that while he cries about not allowing immigrants in. While he cries about competence.
Everyone also knows the unfortunate young man who decried the Civil Rights Act.
Everyone knows how he said he would be afraid if he enters a plane with black pilots.
DeepSight: : You know, as I have said before, anyone who reflects closely on the nature of Earth-Life should have some reasons to be concerned and perhaps worried. We live in such such absolute ignorance of the purpose and intendment of our lives that it looks like a deliberate information blackout. Most of what the OP has written is not original to him, in fact none of it is original to him. These thoughts and ideas have been in circulation in different forms throughout history. The particular thought though, that the Earth may just be a kind of farm from which cosmic beings of a different nature obtain certain energies, is one that with thought and reflection, stands a very high chance of having truth and merit. And yes, it is a thought, which if true, should and would naturally frighten human beings.
Many things point to the merit in it. The information blackout. The mystery about death. The limitations in movement within a very miniscule part of the universe, and also limitations in freewill and limitations in choice of nature of existence. The entire purpose of the whole arrangement is very questionable and particularly when you look at the sadistic nature of Earth-Life, you have to be concerned - I did a thread on it some time ago -
Why exactly is it that beings such as ourselves are seemingly being reared on this planet?
A dark view of things would be as proposed in this thread - namely that there are energies we produce which are consumed by beings in control of this arrangement. This would render our lives far less meaningful than many of us would like to suppose, it would mean that we are only a part of a cosmic food chain we can never understand any more than a farm animal can understand its place in the food chain, speak less of the larger economy that the farm belongs to (which would be a universe-wide (or multiverse-wide?) economy or system of exchange of energies).
In terms of this exchange of energies, let us remember that "eating" may not be just what we know eating to be. It could have different aspects, including a sexual aspect. There are people among us for example who derive great erotic pleasure from observing pain and suffering at a very intense level. I have known people who will climax just witnessing intense physical suffering of another person. It is useful to wonder just why humans have these kinds of instincts, because such instincts are completely different from the natural instincts required in the ordinary business of individual and communal survival and evolution. Such instincts speak to something deeper, darker and very powerful, and those people who have these kinds of instincts can neither explain them nor wish them away.
People like David Icke, the conspiracy theorist, have long harped on the desires of the "Archons" and "Archonic power and control of this world." There might be something there, I dont know. But the idea of the Archons and Archonic power is also an old one and not original to a conspiracy theorist like Icke - :
Archons (Greek: ἄρχων, romanized: árchōn, plural: ἄρχοντες, árchontes), in Gnosticism and religions closely related to it, are the builders of the physical universe. Among the Archontics, Ophites, Sethians and in the writings of Nag Hammadi library, the archons are rulers, each related to one of seven planets; they prevent souls from leaving the material realm. . . . . In Manichaeism, the archons are the rulers of a realm within the "Kingdom of Darkness", who together make up the Prince of Darkness. In the Hypostasis of the Archons, the physical appearance of Archons is described as androgynous, with their faces being those of beasts.
But let us look at a lighter view of what the meaning of life might be. One thing about life is that it represents an evolution of consciousness. For me, the highest and lightest view of life I have been able to come to is that this world is a school of consciousness, a place where spirits pass through in their evolution and expansion of consciousness. To also learn how to use and apply their gift of consciousness. The very root being of all existence may well be simply root consciousness and we may well be sparks of consciousness emanating from it and passing through the world in expanding consciousness.
The idea that this world is a farm is a dark one, and at the end of the day we should not fear it because in truth no one really knows exactly what this world is, it appears to have been deliberately hidden from us. Thus, we should not unduly frighten ourselves with what the Grail Message calls "morbid imagination" which all this may well just be.
+ LordReed, in reference to this did you ever see the movie "Promised Neverlands?"
I think it originated as some comic but a movie was made from it.
Here is a brief recap of it via Youtube which touches on elements of this "farm" theory.
Just 15 minutes, if you havent seen it. It just hints at the idea.
But not to waste your time its about an idyllic orphanage fenced by a high wall in which the children dont know that they are being raised as meat for other-worldly beings outside the fence.
The analogy for me, being that humans caged on Earth may not know what they are being reared for outside the "fence" beyond death.
A001: Actually millions do, as Africa is regarded by most people as the most backward continent in the world. It's the least developed continent in the world because it has stupid people in high numbers, more than any other continent.
These are facts backed by data. Data doesn't care about your emotions.
+ I would not say our people are the most stupid. In fact developments in the west today testify to even greater mass stupidity in many respects. What I would say is we are not as advanced yet in many things for many factors, which include accidents of history, climate, trade. geography, timing, and many many many more. I dont think its that we are simply genetically more stupid.
Please dont forget that the whole of Europe was mass burning women as witches in hundreds of thousands barely five hundred years ago and it continued till as late as about three hundred years ago which is nothing in timelines.
A001: I consider posts praising Qur'an and/or the Bible as silly and such a poster as a stupid African.
+
Indeed I relate very well with this.
However I will have to add that not everyone has the same capacities, inclinations or tendencies and for some people, the religion of their birth is all they will ever attempt or consider - nonetheless, if they are able to pick some enlightenment from such religions (which for me should end at picking out the verses advocating love and light and positive growth), then fine. But to subscribe wholly to all the fairy tales told therein is just lazy. Not to speak of to defend the abominations and atrocities therein.
As you know, I fundamentally agree with your statement here. I have just learnt to leave those fair-minded moderate religionists who truly espouse love and goodwill to all alone. No need to stress them with further learning which they may not be interested in. Most members of these religions by the way NEVER read their scripture.
I will generally estimate seriously that 98 per cent or more of modern Christians have never read the bible start to finish and NEVER will. Most will even only ever see verses here and there as a quote. The proportion of Muslims who have read (or recited) the quoran (or translations of it - I refer to a distinction you pointed out) though, I would estimate higher for certain reasons - not that I conclude that a majority have.
triplechoice: I have been here long enough to know that Buda is pretending to be someone he is not.
The evidence I dug out, something I don't normally like to do, clearly exposed him. But he then deleted the entire thread containing his post even aferr acknowledging that he created it
Honesty, I don't really care about his pretences, so long as he doesn't extend them to me.
And consider this: After our heated exchange in June 2023 , we have had several amicable conversations on other issues without any problem or revisiting the old issue.
Now,, this is November 2025. He has resurrected this same old issue, which I thought we had both moved past, as if it just happened yesterday. He's questioning me angrily about something that's clearly bothering him.
He was the one who disrespected and offended me in the past. But now he wants to use the emotional story about his mother to present himself as the victim and frame me as the aggressor
Which Kain tin be dis now?
+ Interesting.
Well, I dont know, and it doesnt concern me, I only found the way you detailed your past interesting because I recall you also raised the antecedents of one discussant I was attempting to discuss some philosophical/ existential matters with. The AI guy I think.
Budaatum with me, has simply been one of those posters who has been balanced in many such discussions.
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