₦airaland Forum

PigTormentor:
Look, in the 80s, lots of Nigerians in Chicago were into drugs.
Some of my friends were into it. I actually rode in a car from Detroit to Chicago with people whom I eventually found out were going there for drug dealing but I didn't know. I just rode along for fun.
Till today very day, I have never seen drug face to face except for on TV.
Couple of my friends did sell drugs in the late 80s but I was just a student.
I was never involved, but we hang out together on weekends, some of them went to school with me.
In fact there was a very nice older Igbo brother who owned a club in Detroit back then, he was a known drug dealer but we all still went to his club and he will dash us money and drinks.
I knew plenty of Nigerians in the business back then but I was never involved and I never got indicted. The guy that owned that club ended up back in prison again for drugs.
The government knew who was dealing and who was just hanging around them.

And you honestly believe that BAT didnt know the source of those funds. You must be naive. Or you just like him so much you choose to close your eyes. I guess you will say he made his billions from his work as an accountant at Mobil.

PigTormentor:
So if there evidence is shaky, then that means they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. End of story.
If you have never been charged for a crime, then you innocent of that crime.
There people walking around today who have stolen, raped, sold drugs, and other crimes but have never been caught nor chargcharged not to talk of going to trial. I heard Obi and his brother were into drug trade while he was at UNN but he has never been caught. Does that make him a convicted drug dealer?
Nope

Did I say BAT was convicted?
Everyone knows what he was into though. Simple.

I am tired jaare.
PS: You should change your moniker. Its horrendously bigotted,

jaxxy:
What's ur traditional origins or God? How many God's do we have? Let's know how many origins of God exist. I heard a bunch of them.

I didn't just settle with one version I had to look into which had history, dept and truths.

So please feel free to share ur own African version.

Hope u know many people in millions who adopted the middle east version are not from the middle east?

It is you who should defend your laughable belief that only the idea of God of one middle-eastern tribe is true.
And so what if such a belief has been adopted by millions around the world. Same can be said of Islam for example.

You ought to be ashamed of saying such a thing. That Africa didnt know God before the white man.
So all the various African names for God are what?

Olódùmarè / Ọlọ́run - Yoruba - Means what? God.

Chukwu / Chineke - Igbo - Means what? God.

Mungu - Swahili - Means what? God.

uNkulunkulu - Zulu - Means what? God.

Mwari - Shona - Means what? God.

Nyame - Fanti/ Ashanti - Means what? God

Ubangiji - Hausa - Means what? God.

It is horrendous that an African man can open his mouth to say what you said. All of these words referring to a supreme being which Africans had, what do they show? And yet you can say such a thing. That Africans did not know God before the white man came.

You remind me of the white professor who said that African languages have no words for Yesterday and Tomorrow, showing that Africans have no concept of time.

What a shame.

PigTormentor:
That's lie. If the govt have good evidence against you, they will charge you and then try to get you to flip. If they don't charge you , then you have no reason to flip on others.
It is the indictment that will force you to flip and tell on others.
If the US govt can charge you with anything, they will. For them not to have charged him means they didn't have enough to charge.
If you are.not charged then you are as clean anyone.

You are wrong - the govt negotiates alot and can be very strategic towards achieving its goals.
At all events do you really expect anyone to believe that BAT didnt know the nature of the business of Adegboyega Mueez Akande and Abiodun Agbele?

Who do you think is that naive?

PigTormentor:
After all your wrote, why was he not indicted if the US government have good evidence of his involvement? Any Nigerian with close association would have been charged.
Show us where he was charged.
That's all that matters. The rest in NOISE.
Do you know how bad the FBI will indict any Nigeria with anything dealing with drugs or fraud?
In fact just being around people doing crime is also enough for them to charge you along with the rest.
You are clueless bro.
You are grasping on straws...hope you can breath.
You are clueless on how the system works. The FBI and DEA will charge anyone with anything, they are always desperate for conviction. For them not to have charged him says a lot.

As I have said, it is both possible their evidence was shaky and that they took a strategic decision for bigger ends. It happens all the time.

PigTormentor:
You cannot avoid indictment, trial and prison in the US for drug crime via forfiture, it doesn't work that way. I know, I work in the system.
If it works that way, many people would have walked free.

I am sure you can if the evidence against you remains shaky even when you have in fact done the deed. The govt will be rational and get what it can rather than waste time with a potential acquittal. Also it may do so for strategic reasons if you have a deal with it to help in the arrest or conviction of others. Its happened many times before. Even with those accused of or suspected of murder.

PigTormentor:
He had to forfeit 450k because he was an accountant who was doing taxes and other accounting jobs for others. Those whom he was working for might have been involved in any criminal enterprise but he was not involved.
The case was investigated and he was found not to be coupable hence he was asked to forfeit the money in his account.
The US govt doesn't allow drug dealers to walk free just because you're forfeiting money. You will forfeit and still go to prison. Go and ask many Nigerians in US prisons doing 20, 30 40 and life in prison for drugs after forfeiture everything.
As far as the US laws are concerned, he's has no criminal history. You can try to read whatever you want into it but those are the facts as far as the law is concerned.
Wasn't your PO fined in the UK for financial manipulations? He was eventually deported.

Stop playing fast and loose with the facts. He was not acting as any accountant, those funds were in his name/ the name of a company he owned or had direct interest in. That is completely different from being someone else's accountant, in which case you will merely serve as an employee or consultant handling accounts. This is elementary.

The forfeiture was the outcome of a US federal investigation that linked funds in bank accounts held in Tinubu's name to the proceeds of heroin trafficking and money laundering. The court documents alleged the money came from a drug operation run by Chicago drug kingpins, including Adegboyega Mueez Akande and Abiodun Agbele.

Tinubu entered into a settlement agreement with the U.S. government, which resulted in the forfeiture (a decree of forfeiture) of the $460,000 to the U.S. Treasury Department.

Everyone understands that he was neither tried nor convicted. Thats not the problem. The fact of the matter remains that those funds were forfeited because they were proceeds of narcotics trade and money laundering. The US Govt like any other govt makes strategic decisions all the time. Many times even a person wanted for murder can be let go for strategic reasons (for example if he is able to play state's witness and help with the capture of a larger circuit of criminals). Look at the case of Al Capone. With all his atrocities he was not nailed for murder or drugs or any such thing. They nailed him with tax evasion. So with due respect you cannot tell me that the Govt could not in its wisdom decide to act the way it did for strategic reasons. It is up to you as BAT's lawyer to come up with convincing reasons as to what he was doing with such illicit funds. It is silly and laughable to say that he was merely an accountant for others. That is not even the story at all and its an absurd defense in the circumstances.

PS: Why would you assume I am a Peter Obi man? Yes, one can see from your moniker that you are a tribalist of the worst kind. Grow up. I am not even Igbo.

jaxxy:
Last thing I suffer from is inferiority complex, I'm just not delusional or too emotional. I'm a realist.

instead of proving to me that I'm wrong are busy trying to guilt trip me into believing otherwise without any facts to the contrary of my position.

Bring ur history of Africa and its spirituality and origins to God and maybe I can start to pay attention to what u have to say.

I work from what is known to what is unknown. I'm still searching to complete knowledge but from what I have discovered and put together the problems of Africa or the black race is not the Europe or the west like some easily concluded especially not after more than 50 years.

Sorry I cant waste my time with anyone who even says that Africa did not know God before the white man.
That's too shallow an argument for me to get into.

Enjoy your colo-mentality, your white worship, and your presumption that only the teachings of one tribe in the middle -east are true.
How closed-minded.

PigTormentor:
Obviously you are clueless on how the judicial system works in the US.
There's no way the US government will let anyone walk away with just a forfeiture if they have any strong evidence of drug trade. First of all, once you are indicted and convicted, you will lose the money anyway.
If the FBI had any good evidence of drug trade, you will be inflicted and tried. You might get s plea deal if you cooperate but that's after you have been indicted. Also, it's almost impossible to just do forfiture and walk away. It doesn't work that way. I know this system very very well.
You guys are confusing a civil forfiture with criminal case.
Go back to school or show us where and when Tinubu was indicted for any criminal offense.

Lets take it one step at a time since you have appointed yourself BAT's lawyer.

Why did he have to forfeit the funds?

Answer that.

Dear Muslims

I hereby call upon you to address the following concerning Muhammad / Islamic teaching -

These are matters on which earnest non-Muslim thinkers require understanding and clarification.

Commands towards Violence

Quran 9:5 (The "Sword Verse" ) : "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

Quran 9:29: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Muhammad and the Banu Qurayza

The Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe that once lived in Medina, though allied with the Muslims and even lent them equipment to dig the trench during the Battle of the Trench, refused to fight in the battle as they were offended by Muhammad's attacks on Jews. Al-Waqidi states that Muhammad had a treaty with the tribe which was torn up by them. Norman Stillman and Watt believe that the existence of such a treaty was "doubtful", though Watt believes that Banu Qurayza had agreed not to assist Muhammad's enemies. According to Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri, Peters, Stillman, Guillaume, Inamdar and Ibn Kathir, on the day of the Meccans' withdrawal Muhammad led his forces against Banu Qurayza. According to Muslim tradition he had been ordered to do so by God. Ibn Kathir gives the reason as: "Banu Qurayza broke the covenant that existed between them and the messenger of Allah".

The Banu Qurayza were besieged for 25 days until they surrendered. The men from Banu Aws, who were one of the two Arab tribes in Medina who had become followers of Muhammad and part of the Ansar, requested that Muhammad treat Banu Qurayza leniently, as they were their client tribe. Muhammad then proposed that one man from the Banu Aws pass the judgment, and they agreed. He then appointed Sa'd ibn Muadh, who was gravely wounded by an arrow. So Sa'd stated that his decision would be, "The men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as slaves." Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it in accordance with God's decree pronounced above the seventh heaven.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Banu_Qurayza

Commands to Kill Apostates

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 83, Hadith 17 (and 4:52:260, 9:84:57, 9:89:271): "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: ... the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 84, Hadith 57: "If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Often cited in combination with a story about 'Ali burning some apostates, where Ibn 'Abbas disagreed with the burning method but affirmed the killing.)

Kill to Convert

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 8, Book 75, Hadith 387 (and other versions): "I have been commanded to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'" This is one of the most frequently cited Hadith on the topic of Jihad.

Let us address these first.
Afterwards, we should also look into the questionable sexual life and practices shown in Islamic Scripture regarding the Prophet.

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Kukutente23:
Seun hates Christianity
His conduct has always shown that
You know he first programmed his bot to shut down any mention of Muhammad in negative light while leaving the mention of Jesus free for attacks until I called him out
There are so many other examples. In this present case, there's no nexus between his fear of Islamists and his promotion of a libelous post against a Christian leader

He doesn't personally attend to what threads get to the FP.
His fear of Islam is an old one and well known.
Thats why there was an Islam section long long long before the recent change which introduced a "Christian" section - but even at that its "Christianity Etc"

Note that on that Islam section he went as far as making would be posters swear the Islamic Oath (by declaring the shahada) before posting.
All that from an atheist.
Its fear.

maureensylvia:
Keep resting, the most beautiful of them all

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Should I send you eye drops?

Nwaikpe:
One of the only first lady that Nigerians took pride in.

Nigeria has not been blessed with truly great first ladies.

Maryam Babangida still remains the height.

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Look at George W. Bush there.

To think we all thought he was low and thoughtless and mad.

We hadn't seen anything.

simpleseyi:
Yes, like Adolf Hitler who used over 6 million Jews for pepper soup, likewise Jews who have been killing Palestinians like mosquitoes

MrSly:
The generalisation is a lie. Maybe you are saying it acording to your penchant for killing. You are the subhuman.

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You can just imagine how a black man will be saying black people are sub human thereby calling himself sub human.

jaxxy:
I know enough to know the black man dod not know God except for the Ethiopians. And without God u can do nothing.

Even the white didn't know God and was wondering on the wilderness for decades until he saw the light and thst was when they began to evolve at a very fast pace. I'm not saying they were perfect but they applied the principles.

You are just another little fella taken in by the myths and legends and superstitions of foreigners. That's all. Hopefully one day you will wake up and understand that God is not limited to any tribe or race and has no "chosen people."

You also suffer from an inferiority complex.

Lamasta:
The Alaafin needs to be calming down its not everything gragra can arrange

Who doesn't know the Yoruba culture concerning the left hand, much less monarch to monarch.

This Ooni has no royal bearing and no class whatsoever.

jaxxy:
Big lies, if Europe didn't touch us we would be worse and behaving like cave men worship weird things. The black man was far from God except for the Ethiopians.

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You know nothing about history and you have been terribly misinformed.

Rollingdollar:
Your village chief priest just grant the demons in your village domain some legitimate reason to kill your people . Your village has many problems that need solutions, ranging from insecurity to other criminals activities but that lazy demon chooses to Lord over civil matter to kill innocent men rather than the actual culprit. Is that justice? A deity that couldn't save his people should be discard outrightly. You all should give your life to Jesus Christ the only savior of mankind from every problem in life

Why do you believe in foreign gods and reject yours?

Cocolatti:
I don't know. Perhaps you should elaborate about the Jews and their Yahweh covenant.

How come you don't know if Yahweh is a demon but you knew that Ibegwu is a demon?

meobizy:
Every Nigerian is one flimsy excuse away from taking a life. Myself included. Black people are subhuman.

Black people only? And not all the thousands of crazy white serial killers and mass murderers in the West?

PigTormentor:
You don't even know what a plea deal means.
Even if you are going to be offered a plea deal in a drug case, you must first be arrested, charged to court then a plea deal can be offered
Ppls show us any document from the US government where Tinubu was ever charged in a criminal case.

You don't know what the word "almost" means. Go and read what I wrote again.

Stop looking for excuses. When someone is investigated and he has to forfeit illegally gained funds to avoid trial, that is a deal, however you describe it. And it is evidence of wrong doing. And it is punishment.

GanagiBitrus:
"Look my boy" is not an insult to you?

If you are not ready to engage in conversation with valid arguments &devoid of insults, then air your views in the forum, without jumping on my mention.

Jesus Christ, you can't take a joke.
That was just a joke.

Oya epele, grandpa.

Now seriously, all you said was pure speculation.

How can you see an imperfect system and simply speculate that the designer wanted it like that. How do you know if the designer was not limited in his or her capacity.

PigTormentor:
Tinubu was never charged nor prosecuted for any crime.

I dare you to produce any document from the US government showing any Tinubu arrest, charged and prosecution for any crime.

Una go just dey spread beer palour rumors instead of facts.

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Forfeiture of drug related funds suffices as a punishment.

It's almost like a plea deal.

GanagiBitrus:
I know your type; you resort to insults when you run out of valid arguments.

You are actually the one guilty of wishful thinking, assumption & speculation.
You can't claim that a design is imperfect by your own standards, when you don't know the intents & purposes of the DESIGNER.

Where did I insult you?

You can't even prove the existence of your designer and you are talking about knowing and justifying its subjective goal and intention.

Kukutente23:
Seun
We're taking notice of your hate for Christians and Christianity along with one of your mods
I'm sure if this topic was about a night of Laylatul-Quadr being a scam, the thread would have been closed and the OP banned.
But here, someone wrote total ignorant trash against a Christian program out of hate and envy and you and your mod chose to promote it. Just because Christianity is a religion that promotes peace and accepts persecution does not give you the right to be the apostle of hate.
I wish this libelous writeup can be brought to the attention of Nathaniel Bassey so he can sue the Op and the medium backing up his devilish project to come and prove their claims in a court of law or face the consequences.
As for the Op, it's already obvious how much hate has damaged your soul with this your attention seeking post. I only have pity for you. To call another man's project a scam without any proof is the most basic form of jealousy worse than witchcraft. Without knowing you, I can already see how much damage life has done you. I can only pray for your soul to find the peace that has left you.

Seun does not hate Christianity he just fears Islam right from the time a fatwa was proclaimed on him by some Muslims here years ago.

Broveens42:
I'm giving you scientific evidence and you are calling it a dream?
Wonderful


Have you been to Uturu before?

Jokes. Do I have to go to Uturu?
What scientific proof did you give? Are you ok? Have you eaten?

Look my boy, I can't counter wild superstition with anything. If someone comes and tells me that the world started by a rope being let down from heaven with a cock and some sand in Ile Ife, you expect me to counter that with logic?

If someone tells me the first men on Earth were from his village - a claim made by thousands of tribes all over the world - you expect me to discuss logic with such a person?

Statements made without proof can be dismissed without proof.

GanagiBitrus:
You have said nothing.
Counter my points with valid arguments.

Look my boy, I can't counter wild superstition with anything.

Your very words are all the proof I need. Go and read what you wrote. You kept saying "could"...

Broveens42:
Yea. Igbos were the first men on planet earth
It's something the elites in very strong/ audacious associations know.

The point where Longitude zero degree meets with latitude zero degree...

But guess what, they had to push down that point to an island that has no land.

What a way cover the truth

You must be having a laugh or a pipe dream on a sunny afternoon.

Meedon:
Central solar system that distribute lights to all the villagers.

Why does Ibegwu lie like this.

Chegesnd:
Ibegwu has stopped eating Fowl, now it's goat.
In the future Ibegwu could demand Cow, hustle na hustle!

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I see Ibegwu demanding houses and cars in future. Expensive ones.