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Kaiser20:
Without the USA, there is no Nation Like Israel
Africa still has the belief that God IS fighting for Isreal., No no, USA Fights for Isreal not God

Please tell Naija Christians oh.
Tctrills and Elusive001 and co

mikeapollo:
How many Israeli top military officers was Iran able to strike and kill?
And then how many Iranian top military officers was Israel able to strike and kill?

The answer would tell you which side is superior in intelligence and military capabilities!

Israel is superior. But most Israeli supporters like to pretend Iran didn't achieve anything in that war. It did big time. And it shattered the myth of any iron dome.

Elusive001:
He cannot do anything about the hatred. It is powered by demons.

Oh come on. Just because justice and equity are pointed out by someone who has no skin in the game in terms of religion
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tctrills:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnr1RbKWpXQ?si=wrSzJZScfCsI7DiW

You are welcome.

I have e watched this fellow alot and even his own personal heritage rests on thin grounds. He is greatly biased in his analysis of everything Jewish of course even while he tries to sound well read.

My argument as you will have gleaned, is not limited to the Kazarian theory but also extends to the sheer probability of maintaining any kind of tribal purity over 2000 years of migration, dilution and naturalization as I have repeatedly said.

Don't worry, you know very well I will give you something worth chewing on. That, I know you know.

tctrills:
The guy is getting dangerous. They all begin like this but it doesn't end here. Imagine what he can do if he sees a Jew.
DeepSight, you really need to watch yourself. You are allowing your hatred lead you into the darkness.

Now your exaggerating and trying to make a caricature of me.

tctrills:
Yes I have. But clearly you haven't so you go with the lazy kkk argument.
It's both wicked and racist.
If you want, I could help you with research material. You can begin with Wikipedia.

Don't worry I will feed you better than that. I am coming. When done I hope you will see that there is nothing racist or nonsensical about what I am saying. Quite the opposite.

tctrills:
No need to entertain foolish doctrines. We will discuss your white Jews are not Jews theory when you provide real evidence and not just some tales by moon light that was invented and propagated by racist.
Now we know something you and the KKK have in common. You both believe that white Jews are fake Jews.

Can I ask if you have actually bothered to research the topic before?

Tobias we will pray for your speedy demise.

Kukutente23:
Lol IMF
To the rapist, forceful penetration is not necessarily a bad thing. It can even bring untold pleasures

These people are so appalling in their prescriptions and insensitivity.

Elusive001:
But they were there during the signing. Dey play. Stop consoling yourself.

BIbi done warn hamas join too. Let's get ready for Israeli bombing of gaza again.

You give me this odd feeling of being in a conversation with a carpenter or plumber..

Elusive001:
It's not racism. Who dash am race matter?
Ask him what Jews did to him, he will start running around in circles. It is demon powered hatred.

Oh I guess South Africa is also demon possessed.
Along with most of the enlightened world.

tctrills:
You are so right. All DeepSight has is hatred and racism. He is now spreading false KKK doctrines about white Jews not being real Jews.
It's a shame.

I hope you realise that original Jews and Arabs are basically cousins and both Semitic peoples.

tctrills:
You are so right. All DeepSight has is hatred and racism. He is now spreading false KKK doctrines about white Jews not being real Jews.
It's a shame.

You have started again. Accusing me of long white witch cap.

Elusive001:


Taqiyya

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Lol, I really am not, but you can believe worever

Elusive001:
So your qur'an no sure sure bah?

يَـٰبَنِىٓ إِسْرَٰٓءِيلَ ٱذْكُرُوا۟ نِعْمَتِىَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأَنِّى فَضَّلْتُكُمْ عَلَى ٱلْعَـٰلَمِينَ ٤٧

O Children of Israel! Remember ˹all˺ the favours I granted you and how I honoured you above the others.1

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:47

I am not muslim.

malali:
Are we still in a democracy ?


Its starting to look like


Youths earnestly ask for Abacha (YEAA)

WizardofNG

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Elusive001:
I do not presume what the word of GOD says so. GOD Almighty, the creator of the heavens and the earth, said that He has chosen Israel.

Even your qur'an acknowledged the favour upon israel

Go and rest bros

The ancient Jews simply claimed that in their ancient fables. Anyone else can claim the same.

God Almighty cannot be partial or a respecter of one tribe against another. That's nonsensical.

Funny enough the NT says this.

Acts 10:34-35 -


"34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him."

It is you that should rest with inferiority complex.

And I am not Muslim.

aribisala0:
What has this nonsense got to do with the question I asked?

If you feel that way, rephrase the question or forget it. Because as I saw it, you were coming from somewhere. Maybe you say where that place you were coming from is if I missed it. Or you can forget it also. Either way fine.

tctrills:
Oga, you have a weird sense of justice.
So according to your timetable, how much longer do the Jews need to retain the land before the Arabs lose the right to fight for it?
It's been over 70 years already. How much longer do the Jews have before you begin to blame the Arabs

I have been saying forever they should just share fairly regardless.

Again it's funny you come without proof when you state that European Jews are not real Jews.
Please say only what you have proof of not beer parlour gossip.
They were Jews when for over a thousand years, you guys persecuted them. But the moment the gained power and established their own country, they stopped being Jews.
Don't you realize how racist you are?

This one is an open secret. Mind you, there are other Jews - the remnant inclusive. But the preponderance of European returnees are well and truly Caucasian/ Eastern Europeans. Spending 2000 years somewhere is not beans. Go and spend 2000 years in Europe (I dont know where you live) and let your descendants at that time claim to be Igbo. When you see them all you will understand that whatever Igbo you have in you has been well diluted and naturalized.

aribisala0:
I am not saying anything just getting you to clarify what you said

Which you are piteously avoiding

No one asked you about SHELL or MTN

You are clearly of the view JULIUS BERGER is better than HITECH

BECAUSE it is not a Nigerian company
Inferiority Complex

So I asked
Is Julius Berger a Nigerian company Yes or No
Where is its Headquarters
Tell us the biggest engineering project they have completed outside Nigeria in the last 10 year or even in their existence

Kukutente23 has made the point that Chagouri is not Nigerian either. Yeah, he has lived long and naturalized, holds a passport I believe but is originally Lebanese.

So why was it not awarded to a construction company founded by a native Nigerian, if your point is we have inferiority complex.

JB's credentials are not just because of its German roots. The Nigerian version has alot of Nigerian shareholders including state governments I believe. Aside from the public via stocks, and a couple of big players. Share wise JB International probably retains just strategic enough shares. Thats not the point oh.

Experience-wise, quality-wise, comparing JB to Hi-Tech is like comparing a Mercedes to a Daewoo.

tctrills:
Why do I feel like you are going round in circles.
You want the native American to chase away the rest of the inheritance. You want the Arabs to take over Israel but the only people you don't support in recovering their land are the Jews.

Pls get me right: I have ALWAYS qualified my statement on Native Americans with the caveat that there is no point since Caucasians have been there too long already. I only say that if they raise they matter now, who can deny that they have a point? No serious or fair person. But the caveat is Europeans are 500 years in. So best to live together.

Same with Jews and Arabs. On fair terms, I repeat.

Its just that is an open secret that most of the so called European Jews there today are simply Caucasians.
Nevertheless it is far too late for either side to say the other side should go away entirely.

Fair terms is all.
But the Jews up till today have a stranglehold on the otherside which is still apartheid and colonization till this day.

aribisala0:
I did not say anything
Stop dancing around like Umahi
Answer the question
Is Julius Berger a Nigerian company yes or no
No one asked you about SHELL

The Nigerian version is just as Nigerian as MTN Nigeria is Nigerian. Both listed on the stocks.
Are you saying MTN is not South African anymore?

MTN even has a Nigerian Chair - So does JB Nigeria

Go figure.

Kukutente23:
Don't act as is is you're slow pls
Chagoury is not Nigerian too
Your can mention the largest project outside Nigeria Hitech has handled

With evidence of course

Imagine a pompous person not knowing that JB is German and headquarted in Germany till today.

tctrills:
Ok, you will support the native American, that's why I support the Jews, does it make sense to you now.?
But then, both the whites, blacks latin and native Americans are alll living together and growing their country.

The Arabs refused the Jews to live peacefully with them.
Even by your sense of justice, the Arabs are at fault.

It is debatable who refused fairness and frankly it is that party that up till today is still expanding in the West Bank and caging tiny Gaza.

aribisala0:
Is Julius Berger a Nigerian company ? Yes or no

This is as absurd as saying Shell, Mobil, Chevron are Nigerian companies.
They are mere subsidiaries of International Companies.

Same with Julius Berger.
Its HQ is in Germany.

O/lo/do

aribisala0:
Apart from mouthingrubbishwithoutevidence
You persist in propagation of your inferiority complex
Anything Nigerian cannot be good? That is your core DNA belief

So two questions for your homework
1. Where is Julius Berger headquarters?
2. What is the largest project outside Nigeria they have done in the last 10 years?


Deal with your inferiority complex

O/lo/do - JB is a subsidiary of a German Company which still has its HQ in Germany.

tctrills:
You are confusing many things. Unlike the Arabs are are colonizers, the black Africans are the original owners of the land so their is no comparison.

Do you think the people here on the West Coast of Africa also didnt come from elsewhere? There is almost nothing like "original owner" in this matter. Movements are fluid.

Again, if you would not support native Americans to fight and reclaim the land, why are you supporting the Arabs to do the same.
Please explain.

Oh I have actually said before that I would support Native Americans in such a bid, its just that frankly they lack the power. They are a minority of a minority of a minority - they were almost completely wiped off. Secondly, I also said the argument would be tenuous because Caucasians have also spent too long now. Get it?

tctrills:
Your point is that the Jews lost the right to return to their ancestral home?

It is not true that the generality of European Jews were someone the singular owners of Palestine.

Just because it takes 1300 years for justice to be done doesn't make it wrong.

I hope you will not have any issues if black Americans return to West Africa 2000 years from now and insist on taking most of the land.

The only reason why the population of the Jews jumped to 80% was because your people started a war and lost. So how can you pity the troublemaker?

It is wrong to call any one resisting a relocation of foreigners on unfair terms as the ones starting a war.

Again, if Native Americans wake up today and take up arms against Europeans will you say they started the war?

As for the 1948 battle, but the Brits and Americas were 100% neutral. Please go and read your history.

Come on this is a joke.

Again coming from someone who claims not to be religious, it's hypocrisy to claim that the Jews exterminated those they found in the land.
There is zero historical basic for that. It only appears in religious text.
So we either discuss this topic off religion or we make it a religious discussion. Which do you want?

Tctrill's your modification above:

It is not hypocrisy because that is the very ancient claim of the Jews WHICH THEY HAVE RESTED ALL OTHER CLAIMS ON UP TILL TODAY.

So it is fair to interrogate that claim by showing them exactly what they themselves say the did in their own so called scripture. Which is what they rely on for legitimacy.

Mind you, secular history cannot prove alot of their claims. Nonetheless it , makes sense to use their claims to show their hypocrisy. A person cannot say that this land belongs to me because my God told me to murder everyone there and seize it, and then we cannot point out, that well, then obviously you are saying you committed genocide and then complaining that others colonized you after that. Understood?

Now, rather than say I am a hypocrite I am sure you know my scathing condemnation of Islam. So you should give me kudos for being objective enough to defend the rights of Muslims despite not sending an iota of their religion.

tctrills:
So you agree that the Arabs are the colonizers. Great.
We at least agree that the problem with the land of Palestinian is Arab supremacy.
Now lets move on from there.
Based on what we both agree on, the Jews have a right to the land.
So what was wrong in splitting the land into 2 as was done in 1948. Between the Jews are the Arabs.
Why did the Arabs refuse.
Why did the Arabs do everything to stop the Jews from returning to the land including killing them in multiple riots from the 1800s to the early 1900s. They passed laws to prevent the sale of land specifically to the Jews. As someone who is always talking about racism, a racist land sale law should get to you.
If the Arabs had accepted the Jews in 1948, we wouldn't be having any of these discussions by now.
Please make the case for the Arabs, I dey hear you.
Again coming from someone who claims not to be religious, it's hypocrisy to claim that the Jews exterminated those they found in the land.
There is zero historical basic for that. It only appears in religious text.
So we either discuss this topic off religion or we make it a religious discussion. Which do you want?

Was the so called division of 1947-48 fair? Which people in the world, having already been there for 1, 300 years as a majority would suddenly accept that? Mind you, in one year, Jewish population jumped to 80 per cent. Who then was evicting and eliminating who?

You guys just dont want to accept that at that time the world powers (Britain and the US) were fimly behind the Jews. So no way it was an equal battle. It was an elephant against an ant.

Based on what we both agree on, the Jews have a right to the land.

BOTH DO. WITH REALISTIC FAIRNESS!

TV01:
As long as we realise there may well be other influences or factors here not listed - but let's go with what we have shall we

This is the second nuanced post on this thread. First was Lukuluku69.

Nope. In my esteem, this meant diddly squat. Not Cossack squat, not deep squat, diddly squat. There has been extant recognition of the "Palestinian state" by various actors for a while now. To be frank, I see it as more of a slogan. Lacking real intent or desire. The recognition by "European Powers" was at best mere virtue signalling. It's telling that there hasn't been a squeak from any of the EuroPowers about actual state lines or borders. Moreso, since they have all lauded the Trump ceasefire, which I read as designed to hamstring any efforts to implement a 2SS. At worst, I could read conspiracy. The recognition followed by the lauding, could have served to wrong-foot Hamas.

Alright. Dont agree, but alright.

Whilst President Trumps part was likely determinant, he couldn't have done it alone. The timing was also questionable. The Israelis had literally pounded everything poundable. The ref had to step in at this point.

Far more nuanced than many here.

It wasn't his effort, or even about that. For Beni it was a good deal. His stated aim of freeing the hostages and seriously denuding the threat posed by hamas (and bonus points for the hezzies, houthis and Iran, not to mention a sideswipe at the Qatari. Plus, it seems that Israel can resume hostilities with very little pretext.

Again, Far more nuanced than many here.

Really? How far up your fundament did you go to dig that one out. Global is actually the right word - in an existential sense. Israel at least realise that.

It counts. Israel was losing the propaganda war and becoming a pariah.

Stop already. Who has issue with non-muslims treating muslims the way muslims would treat non-muslims if they were so opportuned? And spare me the women and babies trope. The truth is muslims hate the Jews more than they love their children and the ideology clearly hates women .

Ah well.

The so called Arab powers are effete. Moreso than their Euro counterparts. The Arab\Islamic world is riven by rival claims for dominance. The Turks would love to revive the Ottoman empire, the Iranians impose their shia strain, while the Saudis claim to be islamic Ife . Compounded by Saudis realisation that Islams regressive nature will impoverish them faster than a drug habit - hence the push for modernisation and a move away from Islams fundamentl tenets - which lot's of muslims are unsettled by and aghast at, but confused as to what to do .

Sensible and agreed.

Quite superb as a fighting force and they proved it militarily by engaging on a number of fronts simultaneously. I would however nominate Mossad for the frankly spirit sapping offensives. Their pager booby trap gambit was like whoa - legendary. With layered follow-up. Straight up!

Fair enough.

The Hamas charter (akin to the Iranian constitution and along with core Islam) is to erase Israel and obliterate Jewry. A ceasefire without that happening is at best an interregnum. First they want the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.

What many miss is that it takes two to tango.

Please.

Journalists report on events. Very few covered themselves with any glory here. The propaganda was off the charts. With staged events and paid influencers. I watched BBC and AL-Jazeera to name 2 - the bias was dripping bro' .

Role still key to propaganda.

That was a totally farcical sideshow and utterly irrelevant.

Still builds pressure when the world begins to see you as starving babies - whether it is true or false.
Israel excuse was that food was going to Hamas.
Rings a bell. That was the excuse of the Nigerian Govt for the food blockade on Biafra.

You could have expatiated on these efforts. I personally stopped taking SA seriously when Jacob Zuma took a 4th wife whist in office. That's just me. I'm sure there are those who can make sense of that.

Taking a legal and principled stance based on their own history was admirable.
BUT Zuma na joker.

I posted my thoughts about the conflict here - https://www.nairaland.com/8532379/breaking-news-statement-hamas/1#137012005

Cheers

TV

Will have a look.

WHILE I dont agree with all you said, your comment is easily a 9/10.

Thanks.

By the way I watched Trumps speech. He says for the first time in three thousand years he has brought peace to the Middle East. So this means King David brought none. The Babylonians brought none. The Assyrians brought none. Greece and Alexander brought none. The Muslims brought none. The Ottomans brought none. Britain brought none. But in less than two weeks of a ceasefire, he says he has done what could not be done in 3000 years.

Na wah oh. Sadly, many Trumpists will agree already.