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tctrills:
So let's go back in history.
1. We both know that the Arabs came to Palestine ln about 600bc. They met Jews in the the land. It was not theirs. They were colonizers.
They forcibly moved in to the land grew their population and dominated and taxed the owners of the land.
Now, when the European Jews began to return home, the only people who had a moral right to stop them were the indigenous Jews not the colonizing Arabs. The indigenous Jews loved and encouraged the return of their brother but again the colonizers believed it was their right to decide who buys land or owns property.
This is a simplified summary of the Israeli Palestine conflict.
Please let's know if you differ.
DeepSight what say you.

IronGalaxy:
Im not talking about you per se, im talking about your people ..

You guys are forever talking about white people..its exhausting and its weird..

What does this football thread have to do with them? But here we are ..

IronGalaxy:
😂 😂

My guy. miss me with the Uncle Ruckus talk and lemme celebrate our qualification, deal? I'm tired of talking about white people. It's all you ever do in this forum..

This is a football page,, let's keep it at that

IronGalaxy:
No, it doesn't.. It's literally the same thing..

IronGalaxy:
If that's the case then you also don't own Nigeria, seeing the economics and wealth is held by a tiny political elite..

so please, man, I'm celebrating our win, stop telling me about white people, don't you guys tire of talking about them? damn!

IronGalaxy:
He's not.. i know it's your favorite song though, keep singing it..

IronGalaxy:
Ok, whatever floats your boat

Unbiased1:
Lol. Now we are getting to the point I love. We now both agree that both parties are indigenous to the land. Can you remember one of my responses to you where I spoke about compromise? The Jews where ready to compromise to share that land with the Arabs despite having a greater connection to the land. The Arabs on the other hand choose war to exterminate the Jews. The only reason why there is no Palestinian state today is because the Palestinians were more interested in destroying the Jews and the only Jewish state in the world than getting their own independence. Do you know how many people would have gotten their independence if they got the same opportunities those savages in Palestine got from 1937 - 2008?

JimRohn:
Do you really consider DeepSight to be on the same intellectual level as MaxInDHouse or some of the other individuals I engage with here?

Because frankly, MaxInDHouse is among the most intelligent contributors on Nairaland. In contrast, DeepSight does not even qualify for consideration when I rate people based on intellect.

That is precisely why I refuse to bring myself down to his level — instead, I choose to engage with those whose reasoning and arguments are worth my time.

Unbiased1:
Didn't Arabs conquer the land before becoming majority? Wasn't it an act of conquest for the Arabs to build their Islamic Dome on the Rock on the foundation of the Temple Mount? Which empire after the fall of the Kingdom of Israel didn't try to exterminate the Jews? The Romans even went as far as renaming the land to a useless godforsaken name called Syria Palestina.

Pootle:
southie are 2goals up so nothing to play for again

Unbiased1:
You said I haven't called all those people and groups you mentioned terrorists. Well, remind me of our topic of discussion. Last time I checked, we were talking about Israel and Palestine not Belgium and CIA. The fact remains that calling those guys terrorists doesn't absolve Hamas of also being a terrorist.

Kukutente23:
Stop mouthing ignorance
How can chagoury be better than JB
You think JB is a Nigerian coy?

johnie:
Looks like most people don't get the sarcasm.

Any suggestions for a Manager/Coach?

Gmone:
Okay, if you are a patronizer, better repent now.

Gmone:
I went to preach the full gospel of Jesus Christ. The lady gave her life to Jesus na.

Unbiased1:
Let me start like this:

1) Who is a Palestinian? A Palestinian is either a Jew or an Arab who lived in the Levant area of the Ottoman Empire and subsequently, the British mandate. Every historic account states this clearly that Jews and Arabs made up the population of Palestine even before the European Jews came there. I started with this because you were almost describing all the Jews in present-day Israel as aliens who came from Europe to reclaim something. There were Jews who never left.

2) Did you know that Palestine, before the British took over, never had an actual boundary

In one of my previous responses to you, I begged you to mention the names of Arab villages and communities taken over by the Jews before or in 1948, but you didn't mention any, so your claim that Jews not acknowledging the presence of Arabs on the land is utterly false. Also note that these lands purchased were completely different from communities already occupied by the Jews, who never left the Levant.

3) Did you know that when the British officially called the area "British Mandate of Palestine", the Arabs were not comfortable with the name "Palestine" as they claimed that it was an attempt to erase the Arab identity of the area? Today, these same people have embraced that name as a tool for political warfare against Israel. As stated by a PLO commander, Zuhair Mohsen and member of the PLO's executive committee, in an interview with Dutch newspaper Trouw on March 31, 1977:

"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."

When the UN created the partition plan of 1947, the plan was to create a Jewish state and an Arab state, not a Palestinian state, because both parties were identified by their ethnicities, not as Palestinians.

There were no "Palestinian people". The only Palestinian people were the ones newly invented by the British after they defeated the Ottoman Empire.

4) You mentioned the biblical claim of land by the Jews and even went ahead to call the Jewish God barbaric, and you also spoke about compromises. I'll address both. When the Jews in diaspora returned, they were hoping to get all of Palestine for their Jewish state. The British dealt a big blow to that plan by cutting a huge chunk of the land, a whopping 78% of it, to create Transjordan. At this point, it became clear to the Jews that the promised land their God offered them was no longer feasible in modern times.

Following the creation of Transjordan in 1920, the Jews thought the remaining 22% of the land would be the Jewish state since the Arabs had gotten 78% already. That thought was dead on arrival as the Peel accords of 1937 carved out a small chunk of that 22% to be the Jewish state. The Jewish state was 17% of that small piece of land, largely made up of the old Jewish communities and the newly purchased Jewish lands, Jerusalem, and to extent, Bethlehem were to remain under the British Mandate due to their religious importance to both Jews and Arabs and this part made up 8% of the land, while he rest of the land, about 75% of the land was to be an Arab state. Despite the projections of the Jews, their Biblical beliefs and to their great disappointment, they accepted the deal nonetheless. That right there is the COMPROMISE you spoke of. What did the Arabs do? They rejected the idea of having a separate Jewish state and insisted on having just 1 country where Arabs will be the majority. That right there is NOT COMPROMISE. In this war, Israel has compromised by agreeing to release Palestinian prisoners, many of whom were charged with Murder and other crimes, including Hamas members. One of the youths who took part in the famous Ramallah lynching of 2000 was also released by Israel. This is a huge COMPROMISE as Israel is putting itself at risk by releasing these criminals to society, who can attack Israel in the future. On the other hand, one would expect Hamas, whose people are dying to also compromise by releasing all the hostages to stop these frequent Israeli attacks and the complete takeover of Gaza City, but no, Hamas and the Arabs never compromise, and unfortunately, no one is forcing them to, as everyone is focused on Israel.

tctrills:
You don't know who is innocent but somehow you know they were killing the innocent. What a joke.
And I hope you don't expect me to believe a word that comes out of Hamas even though I understand your need to believe Hamas.

Anyway, I am glad all this is over. Let us rejoice together.
This is ending just the way I hoped.
Israel was already losing the propaganda war so they needed this and we all needed peace in the middle east

Unbiased1:
Yes, terrorist groups contest elections and when they win, they cancel all future elections so they can remain in power. Hamas and Hezbollah have both contested for elections in Gaza and Lebanon respectively and we know what happened after they got their members in government.

Yeah there will be no end to the Palestinian struggle until Palestine is free. Let me remind you that Palestine could have been freed in 1937 during the Peel Accords, 1947 based on the UN partition plan, 1948 after the Jews declared their own independence, anytime between 1948 - 1967 when they were occupied by their own Arab brothers, Camp David Summit organised by Bill Clinton and 2008 meeting organised by the Prime Minister of Israel. The Palestinians rejected all these opportunities. The only reason Palestine is not a country today is because their hatred for Jews and their quest to kill Jews is greater than their need for an independent country. Unfortunately for them, the current Israeli Government is not the type that wants to be politically correct like their counterparts in the West. The current Israeli government is ready to take over more than 60% of Judea and Samaria as that area is historic Jewish homeland. The only areas that will be part of a future Palestinian state will be Gaza and Area A of the Judea and Samaria, nothing more, and God help them if another war doesn't breakout before then.

Kukutente23:
No
But he's certainly the greatest so far in this millennium

tctrills:
How do you know it's indiscriminate since you can't tell who is Hamas or who is not. It's only indiscriminate if you can tell or prove that majority of those killed were not members of Hamas.

tctrills:
Sounds the same to me. So when you guys accused the IDF of genocide, you truly did not know if they were killing only Hamas members or not. So why were you accusing Israel all this time.

Kukutente23:
So on point
Every terrorist and their sympathisers have no choice but to agree with this apt analysis

tctrills:
Wow so you believe every Palestinian is a terrorist. Interesting intake. No one says you should kill all Palestinians the deal will end Hamas rule in Gaza. But then if all Palestinians are Hamas as you want us to believe, then all of them should be wiped out. Killing terrorist is not genocide.

DeepSight:
It is not possible to destroy Hamas. Every last Palestinian will have to be killed including all those in diaspora, and all children and descendants every where in the world. The reason for this is not that every Palestinian belongs to Hamas. The reason is that it is impossible to tell every one who belongs to it.

tctrills:
Wow so you believe every Palestinian is a terrorist. Interesting intake. No one says you should kill all Palestinians the deal will end Hamas rule in Gaza. But then if all Palestinians are Hamas as you want us to believe, then all of them should be wiped out. Killing terrorist is not genocide.

Kukutente23:
You're simply too presumptuous
Words should carry their ordinary meaning
Innuendos usually lead to malice

tctrills:
You once ask me to prescribe a solution to the conflict and I told you that we have to stop pampering the Palestinians.
Give them a take it or leave it deal. Don't restrain Israel anymore. I guess someone was listening (Trump).
An unrestrained Israel was able to shake Iran, Hezbollah and all other Hamas friends including Qatar.
Israel was going to finish off Hamas that's the only reason why Hamas could accept a deal that is not good for them.
They will lose all power in Gaza and become massively irrelevant.
This is called peace through strength.

Unbiased1:
There was no blockade of Gaza until Hamas unfortunately won that election in 2007. Israel and Egypt could not sit by and watch a terrorist group build itself at their borders. The blockade was necessary to prevent Hamas from getting weapons. Obviously Israel and Egypt failed miserably at that. The blockade will continue until Palestinians embrace peace and stop plotting to destroy Israel.