₦airaland Forum

seunmsg:
Atiku did not stop him, well meaning Nigerians from all parts of the country stopped him. Every single pro- democracy activists worked against the third term ambition. Atiku simply joined the bandwagon because he wanted to become president in 2007. Bola Tinubu, the only AD governor as at that time mobilized all opposition lawmakers to vote against the bill. The day the bill was to be put to vote, then General Mohammadu Buhari was personally at the gallery of the Senate chamber to ensure that constitutional amendment supporting third term was never passed into law.

No one can deny Atitku's leading role in that matter. You cant change history. Yes the whole country was against it but why are you trying to claim your gods were the key leaders? Why?

Pennilessword1:
Mind you they never spoke about Atreyu religion (Nordic) or the worship of Zeus and even of the Aztecs and incas of Peru also

Many others

How can Christianity for example predate the religion of the Greeks and Romans abi those ones were not religions.

Egypt had no religion bah?

Too many others ...

Seunomobo:
I wish someone can just kickstart another religion called Humanity......

Well there is Humanism already although one may not tag it a religion

Capernum:
Who would he have written as the founder of Christianity?

Because Jesus didn't found a religioun o.

Yes he did.
He also set up it's principles and rituals including the holy communion.

He also established evangelism by specific instructions.

Yustash001:
If you think Islam came last, then you know nothing about Islam.
Someone who understands Islam deeply would know it's the first religion on earth.

Why not when they woke up more than 600 years after Christ to plagiarize the Jewish books and claim their prophets?

By the way, not even the Jewish religion is anywhere hear the first.

Themanleshey:
Those people shouting shebi he built Lagos why can’t he replicate the same thing in Nigeria will soon hide their face in shame.

This road is designed to have maybe 5 or 7 dams in between, which can be used to generate hydro electricity plus it will have rail in between.

Just watch and see, Una never sabi who dem Dey call Jagaban.

It's mobilised to share cash between two crooks.

Simple.

It's not needed and is not a priority. There are roads between towns and linking Lagos and Calabar already.

Also the nightmare will begin if they ever get to the sections of the marshes and creeks. Doubt they ever will, going by Nigerian standards.

Image123:
You must have missed my emojis. Use quality internet so that emojis can load dear.

Nah. Your reasoning is such that one must suspect the smallest. Said so in first response.

twilliamx:
What if it was from a baber or a cut or from even the hospital

Thank you and what if he first got it from her?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I REMEMBER WHEN EVERYONE WAS CALLING THIS A DEATH SENTENCE.

Thank heavens for science.

Still there is an unanswered question somewhere.

An estimate of some 40 million DEATHS from the time of the hype (when AIDS was discovered) - translates to less than 80K deaths per month globally since AIDS was discovered (old age alone does some five million per month).

Malaria, by contrast, does over 50k per month in just sub saharan Africa, not the whole world - till date oh. Contrast is HIV figures are global and from inception or discovery. If we look at Malaria in the same way, the figures would be boundless.

I am missing something because for the length of time it took to find Anti Retros for HIV and the rate at which humans knack, AIDS ought to have killed a few billion, if not more than half of humanity.

There is a theory that AIDS is not caused by HIV, but it is fringe and might be conspiracy tilted in nature.

Westerhoffe:
LordReed
DeepSight

You both were just gisting and mentioning my moniker…



And what have you to say about the last point in the asterisk?

Did you mean destiny colloquially or as the will of God in your life in a religious theological sense?

That's the remaining question for you by three people now.

kingxsamz:
He probably did but Jesus was too busy helping a random individual find his car key.

LordReed:
People do use destiny colloquially like in the 2nd definition triplechoice laid out. I dunno which definition Westerhoffe is using though. He should enlighten us.

Also remember the context of praying against or for destiny. Thats a religious context. But then even if not, what can change the so called destiny? Prayer? It didnt even for Jesus in the hour of his passion.

That word destiny strongly suggests something specific placed in the future and religious people mean that it was placed there by God. If they pray against it, they suggest that the will of their God can be defeated or changed.

Its contradictory and I wholly stand with your initial take.

Its better for the chap to say "May heaven help my hope."

LordReed:
People do use destiny colloquially like in the 2nd definition triplechoice laid out. I dunno which definition Westerhoffe is using though. He should enlighten us.

Its very problematic even colloquially because in that manner my destiny could be to be the Pope or even the next Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
In a discussion like this, they should just find another word.

"Hope" would be a great one.

Image123:
Is it a sin? Where is it in the Bible?

My good heavens. How can a Christian know sooooooooooooooooooooooooo little about the bible?
Narcissism is not a sin in the bible?

What is the sin of pride?

Sad, but you will probably say narcissism is not pride! Good heavens. One has to wonder at times the background of strangers on an anonymous board.

Probably you dont know the story of Narcissus and how that word arose.

Anyway, go and learn -

https://www.crossway.org/articles/10-key-bible-verses-on-pride/?srsltid=AfmBOortksr6QYtPZ9S7iMw84Ioe5uEoiseTCZGZ6MWtNS6ZCXNIrJD3

Dtruthspeaker:
Ah! Their death is super different that when you see it, for those who are not Christians they start regretting why they are not Christians. And for those who are Christians they start wishing and looking forward to their own death

So all Christians eagerly await death? Why dont they then celebrate the death of their children and why do they even pray against death? Remember even Jesus prayed against his oh.

triplechoice:
Thank you @ DeepSight for coming in at this point and bringing up this important point. Yes , you're absolutely correct that in formal theology and philosophy, predistination has a very specific and precise meaning referring to a fixed divine plan .

My previous intervention was focused less on formal doctrine and more on observing how people actually employ language in everyday conversations. It's a well-known linguistic principle that the meaning of a word isn't a fixed law from a dictionary entry, but often determined by the context in which it's used and the understanding within a particular group

For instance, the term, ", theory"has a very different meaning in a scientific context, the theory of gravity, for example, than in public discussion, " I have a theory about what I believed happened . Both usage are valid within their respective contexts"

The word, predistination or destiny is a perfect example of this. The meaning can range from the strict theological sense you mentioned to a more colloquial sense of a default outcome, future possibility.

Based on Westerhoffe comments about praying against a dream of death, it seemed he was using it in the,more in the other sense than the one you just brought in.. My point was that if Lordreed interprets the word strictly like you have done, and Westerhoffe continues to use it the way he has been using it ,they will continue to talk past each other.

So, clarifying that usage was timely in resolving their specific misunderstanding.

In any case, your point which is well taken has raised the deeper theological question for Westerhoffe and any other Christians following the thread.

So, to Westerhoffe and others of similar faith, when you pray against a destiny revealed to you in a dream, what's your theological understanding of how the prayer you prayed functions in relation to the will of God?

Is it to change a predetermined plan? or is it as some theological traditions accept, a means of participating in the unfolding of a plan that already includes your petition to God?

I'm sincerely interested in knowing which perspective aligns with the beliefs of the Christians here .

And for Oga DeepSight, what's the correct definition for predistination and how does it work?

Thank you

Thank you respected old friend.

I dont know if predestination exists or not, but there are very strong arguments to presuppose that we are bound by a chain of cause and effect from the dawn of time which leads directly from one event to the other. This argument is against the doctrine of freewill which is extremely debatable. This is strictly philosophical, and nothing to do with religion.

But if one brings the imagery of the will of God into it, and prayer against that will, one should wonder what happened to the prayer of Jesus in Gethsemane - "If possible, let this cup pass over my head, nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt."

It strongly suggests that NOTHING can change the will of God within a theological sense.

While I understand your intervention on the different uses of the word being used, I strongly suspect that this destiny Westerhoffe was referring to was still in a religious theological context (remember he associated it with prayer). In the way you helped him interpret it, it would simply mean all available possibilities.

Jakumo:
This is the best option for any nation's cannabis laws. If every citizen over the age of 25 is permitted by law to grow 6 plants legally for their personal consumption alone, while being prohibited from selling cannabis, criminals will be eliminated from the cannabis supply chain forever, and each grower will be able to rest assured they are not consuming poisonous chemicals when they ingest cannabis or its vapor.

Harsh penalties and jail sentences should still apply to SELLERS of weed, but since users will be free to grow their own supply, the market for illegal cannabis will collapse instantly, putting the criminals that currently supply it and poison it, out of business forever.

Impossible to control each grower in a country of over 250 million. Who's gonna go into each backyard to check?

Image123:
Exactly.

You know, there is a debate about whether the unenlightened should be allowed to vote. There was also a debate about whether the non educated in theology should access scripture.

I am reminded of both debates.

Image123:
The wordS predestination, destiny, possibility and potentiality. The wordS. Forget about me, focus on God.

If you cannot see those words in what I posted, forget it, because thats the level i expect from you.

Image123:
Why should i? The words no dey my Bible na, na only Bible i sabi.

So you do not even know that they are? Na wah.

Romans 8:30

New International Version
"And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

And are you also going to say the word "possible" is not in the bible either?

Matt. 19:26 says, 'But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, with men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible'

I would think you were being sarcastic except I am not sure about you.

Image123:
LOLZ, but this is what we've been saying all day, patethick. You should be paying me for my responses.

That DeepS guy needs to rein in his emotions apparently. i am not the cause of his thrubles.

I doubt you can understand the difference between the words predestination (destiny) and possibility (or potentiality).
Thats your issue here.

LordReed:
Thank you for offering clarity once again.

If indeed Westerhoffe's position is that destiny is not as cast in stone, a fixed fate, but more as future possibility or a path one is on then no there wouldn't be a contradiction to pray against death.

Except that we all should know that that definition is a false one. Predestination has a clear meaning in spiritual and theological senses and even in philosophy.

I don't think what triplechoice has tried to negotiate works because the definition offered for Westerhoffe has nothing whatsoever to do with predestination. It only has to do with the entire remit of potentially inherent in all our existence. By that definition anyone could have any destiny whatsoever.

It is false to the extent that it refers not to destiny but all possibilities.

Save where something is already happening. E.g: You have a terminal illness. Or you are a hunchback pygmy who plans to win Mr. Universe. Or a toad planning to be the ruler of the galaxy.

Image123:
Okay, good.

Sure since its the way of Yahweh and BAT - THOSE YOU FOLLOW

Image123:
i don't need you to trust me. Hey, people don't trust God or the Bible, who am i that you should trust.

Its not me trusting you, its being untrustworthy as a character trait.

CodeTemplarr:
I only heard of a list and never about testifiers.

List generated how?
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Racoon:
The government said the alleged conditional funds transfer is meant for the poor and vulnerable citizens of this nation. Now above is an able-bodied young man that is full of energy to be self-profitably engaged or be empowered by FG SMEs if there is any collecting monies not meant for him. Can we have an explanation please?

I doubt a soul has got it except proxies diverted to.

AMINDA:
The Npower scheme under Buhari engaged just 500k people but every Nigerian knows someone that benefitted from it. They claim to have disbursed money to 8.5m people but nobody knows someone that knows someone that benefitted.

Simple.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Image123:
i said "All living things are destined to die if Jesus tarries, but you don’t have to die today. You can choose life to a huge extent." It means that living things have what is called a life span. It has nothing to do with y'all, but with every living thing. It is appointed to man to die. i want to guess that you know you'll be dead in the next 200 years. Current human life doesn't reach that. Should Jesus come, there's a whole lot of change, hence the term, if Jesus tarries.
Also, i said "Interesting that Jesus linked the end to when the gospel has been preached in all the world. i know folks who literally take that as a factor for Jesus' coming. In other words, that means is affecting the coming in their understanding." Do not misquote me. Forget it if you refuse to understand it, or do a simple google or AI search if you insist.

Its difficult to trust you because you ARE SOMEONE who claimed that the return of Christ which he described was the transfiguration.
You have similar tendencies in political discussions.

Integrity is key in life.

LordReed:
I didn't misquote you. You repeated it again so where is the misquote.

Show me the Bibile passage where Jesus linked the end to when the gospel has been preached in all the world.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be ...

Bible Hub
https://biblehub.com › matthew
New International Version - And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

But hasn't that already happened?

But this was still something Bros Jay said will happen in the lifetime of his disciples oh.

So theres a contradiction there.

Unbiased1:
Surprisingly, it's one of the most useless iPhone devices ever created.

Waiting. Do not cc anyone or i may not see it