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tctrills:
We can do that but just so you know, my great great grandfather had slaves. They were most likely Igbos like him. Maybe I would have continued in his tradition it slavery was not stopped. But to you, only the white man is guilty. The rest of us are victims of the white man

I specifically told you that my book takes note of the role of Africans in slavery.

tctrills:
Let's look at your points one at a time.

1. You really have zero understanding. If you will not award marks to the white man for putting an end to slavery then what will you do to the rest of humanity that also practiced slavery for thousands of years and did nothing about it until the white man stopped them?
Just think about that for a minute. By your standards the rest of humanity don't deserve forgiveness. Slavery stopped in Saudi Arabia in 1962. They were practically stopped just like other Arab countries.

2. You are angry that slave owners were paid as part of the bargain to end slavery? That is crazy. Was that a price to high to end one of the worst practices on earth? That was not the only price paid. Lives were given, white lives to put an end to the system. To show your hypocrisy, can you point to any group or race that compensated their slaves? How many Arab, Chinese or African slave owners compensated their slaves? How is that even a point. You are not requiring slave owners to compensate former slaves if they are not white.

3. Of course there are more than one dimension to every war but by far the main reason for the American civil war was slavery. So let us not deflect.

4. True slavery was getting out of fashion. But people did not shed their blood just to let the slave owners know that they could make more money if they used machines rather than slaves. People fought because it was an evil. It was not a war of economics. It's just like saying that a civil war should be fought because the car replaced the horse. That is just stupid reasoning. Let's stop bringing up unnecessary emotions here. The US civil war was not about replacing slaves with machine.

5. Ok, you left slavery and moved over to segregation and other forms of discrimination. Again, the whites you hate are still the major champions here. The efforts of Martin Luther and park would have been useless without the support of the white public.
The US for all it's crimes remains the first nation where a black man became president in a white dominated country. Today, discrimination is a way of live in the rest of the world compared to the white world. Apartheid in South Africa came to an end thanks to Europe and America not Mandela.
Till date, Apartheid thrives in the Arab world, in China and definitely in Africa. In Nigeria, they will tell you openly to your face that an Igbo man can never become president.

6. In summary, the white/Christian world have not been the first neither are they the only to offend but they seem to be the first to correct and to force the rest of us to do better

Let us agree to disagree and focus on the discussion about Gaza.

tctrills:
I have presented to you 6 of the major wars between Israel and Gaza since 2004. 4 were triggered by your Hamas friends so what are you talking.

When you occupy and oppress a people and their land, you are triggering violence. You cannot call their reaction the start of violence. This is exactly what the West was doing in calling the ANC in South Africa terrorists. You violently subdue and oppress a people and any reaction from them, you then cast as the start of violence and terrorism. Thats propaganda.

wirinet:
Precursor to what will happen in 2027. President Bola Tinubu will record 3 million votes in 2027.

Scary.

tctrills:
You just justified your bad behavior. So you believe it's ok to insult someone because of his religion but not because of his race. All you are doing is accepting one form of prejudice over another. You are no different from the people you condemn. Mind you, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the principles of a religion but when you mock me and insult my God and you believe that just because you didn't insult my race, you are somewhat better, that's nonsense.

Many times merely pointing out the absurdities of religious doctrines is seen as insulting the believers. I cannot count how many times merely quoting a verse from the Bible or Quoran which a believer does not like leads to the believer saying I have insulted him and his God - even when I only quote the verse without saying a word of my own!

I can quote you bible verses without saying a single word of my own which will immediately make you offended at me for quoting them.

Lastly, it's impossible to hate slavery without loving the whites you so much hate unless you don't know your history. First, hope you understand that the Arabs had more black slaves than the whites and slavery to the east lasted much longer than slavery to the west. It is funny you never talk about that.

The Trans Atlantic slavery was unique in its particular cruelties.

While slavery was universal, all tribes and races participated in it, it was the whites you hate that ended it. It was the Christian world that stopped it. Think about that. In the US, white fought against white to end the slavery of the black man. If you don't understand the significance of the American civil war then you need to study more. It remains one of the greatest human stories. Whites killed whites to restore the dignity of the black man and to make the US a more equal society. Please learn your history. Stop your white hating. There was slavery in Africa before the white men came. There was slavery before Christianity but it was the white christians that bled and died to end slavery. Not the African, the Arabs or the Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism and Shinto

I appreciate those white abolitionists who fought to end slavery and especially someone like William Wilberforce who played one of the greatest roles. Also the Quakers deserve a notable mention. I also salute those white South Africans who laid down their lives and liberty in the fight against Apartheid in that country. They are vastly more honorable than black people who still engage in racist worship of white people.

However I must be clear when I tell you the following -

1. I do not award marks for abolishing a demonic system which you had profitted from for over three hundred years and which formed the bedrock of much of your wealth up till today. You cannot do something deeply evil, then cease to do it and expect to be congratulated for stopping.

2. I hope you know that in the abolition of the Slave Trade, Britain paid such a vast amount of compensation to the slave owners - NOT to the enslaved - that they only finsihed repaying the cost to their descendants as recently as 2015! Yet do they talk of reparations to the descendants of the enslaved? They will never hear a word of it.

3. If you think the American Civil war was solely about abolishing the slavery, then your knowledge, not mine, is the shallow one.

4. Slavery had already started to become uneconomical by the introduction of certain technologies for example in cotton processing. Further more studies had revealed that free men were more productive than slaves. There were thus multiple factors that led to the abolition.

5. The truth also is that with advancing time, certain practices become archaic. Look at the burning of witches for example, a thing which the whole of Europe was neck deep in for centuries. And thats not that long ago historically, just so you know, its relatively recent. Nonetheless the passage of time leades to universal enlightenment over some practices so its not a question of white people being specially noble enough to end slavery. Not at all. These same people implemented segregation up till the 1960s so that tells you alot. It took the Civil Rights Movement ignited by people like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King to fight it. That aslo led to the passage of the Voting Rights Act which removed impediments for black people to vote. For those things to last into the sixties speaks alot. Furthermore we all know how the US and Britain supported the apartheid govt in SA for decades until the outcry from the world became too great. How can you justify their categorization of Mandela as a terrorist?

I do not hate white people, I hate racism.

You by contrast, appear to worship them as well as the religion they gave you but have largely abandoned themselves.

tctrills:
No, don't confuse my statements. I am saying that you guys supported the many Arab killings with the excuse that the Jews are Zionists hence they deserve it.

Let us keep it simple.

Who has been the aggressor? Be careful in your consideration. For example, many people do not avert their minds to the fact that in 2023 before October 7, hundreds of Palestinians had been killed by Israel.

Who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed?

Who is the occupier and who is the occupied?

Who is the blockader and who is the blockaded?

Who has a state and utilizes every influence to deny the other a state up till today?

MaxInDHouse:
Try to present matters the way it is don't muddle it up just to accuse people.

This is what i said:

Humility is the quality our God said we are look out for in each individual we meet!

With the comment below you proved me right!

Greetings from my harsh, high-handed arrogant table.

JimRohn:
DeepSight don’t need anyone’s permission to present what he claim to know about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). He should go ahead — I’ve giving him the floor. He should begin.

Very well. I will devote some time to it today.

Or should we not just make a separate thread since it is a separate topic?

I can kickstart it of you agree.

MaxInDHouse:
Before the DeepSight guy used to insult me for my faith that's unwavering but i'll just smile and ignore his insults until the day i saw a post where he claimed to be a humble person!😟
So i quoted him something i have vowed not to do again with any temperamental commentator on Nairaland my purpose that day is to prove him wrong regarding his claim of being humble.
He tried hard to prove he is humble for real but i made him realize it's a lie.
From that moment he ran away and stopped quoting me only for him to reappear on this thread looking for ways to provoke both you and i.

JimRohn - Note that the conclusion of this experiment with Maxinthehouse was his statement that only Jehovah's Witnesses can possess humility, and that humility is impossible for non Jehovah's Witnesses.

Here are his posts stating so.

https://www.nairaland.com/8503303/god-vs-santa-claus/4#136605525

https://www.nairaland.com/8503303/god-vs-santa-claus/4#136605527

Make of that what you will, since according to you he is one of the most intelligent people on Nairaland.

I hope you understand that this also means you also lack humility and CANNOT be humble since you are not a Jehovah's Witness.

tctrills:
Since you use your platform to promote your friend's view, I believe you share his opinions. So you also justify the genocides in the 1800s and 1900s against Israel and blame it on Zionists. Not that the zionists killed anyone or stole any land, all they did was buy and develop land in Palestine, and that is enough for you to justify their killing and the stealing of their lands and property. I keep telling you, you don't care about killings or war. You only hate and oppose Israel, nothing more. It is a shame.

Are you saying that Israel purchased all the land it holds today even and including the illegal West Bank settlements - which are still expanding up till today?

tctrills:
Just one question sir, why is it acceptable to be prejudice against Christianity and maybe other religions but any perceived prejudice against the Palestinians is your breaking point? Why?

Racism is one of my personal big issues in life. I detest it with a passion which I cannot explain. Anything racist makes my blood boil. That is why I have actually completed a book which is about the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. It takes cognisance of the role of Africans in implementing that trade though. Nonetheless the direction of the book is to draw out the deep evil in racist suppositions. Things like Segregation and Apartheid are therefore also big issues for me.

I firmly believe, like many others that the Israeli government implements a racist apartheid system quite similar to that applied in South Africa. This recognition informs South Africa's radical position against Israel and the case it filed at the International Court of Justice. It also informs the position of Ireland because of the domination they suffered at the hands and under the jackboot of the English.

Racist apartheid is a sin against God and a crime aganst humanity. This is why I am so passionate about the Palestine issue - along with all people of clear mind and good conscience. And you can see, that just as happened with the case of South Africa, a global concensus is coalescing against Israel. This is the real thing that will eventually break Israeli apartheid. It is the same thing that has always broken all oppressive systems - conscience and universal revulsion at the spectre of oppression - not military might.

By contrast I am a non religious person. The lies and deceits of religion are all too obvious to me. While I concede that religion does do some good in the world, its lies and deciets are so great that I cannot help but rail against them. In this, I must single out the Abrahamic faiths as the worst. Eastern religions such as Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism and Shinto tend to be harmless and even higher minded. I would have included Hinduism but for certain elements such as the caste system which is also racist in nature.

Gabrielshow24:
Do you agree with

1) God is above all
2) Man is subject to God

And the corollary that if Jesus was a man then God becomes his God?

Yes.

Let me however just place the caveat that for the purpose of this discussion our understanding of God is that being said to be the creator of all that exists - and as commonly understood within Abrahamic faiths. I make this caveat in order that anything discussed here is not taken to apply to my accession to the existence of that God in the first place, because my personal understanding of the word "God" is quite complicated and different and still evolving.

Enice:
E bi like say you don high! 😂 International passport is under works ministry! Really? 🥺 Agbotikuyo don finish una

Jesus I mixed up the topics.I was commenting on the coastal highway earlier. Thats why I was talking about appropriation and NASS.

This has also been your fault. Because this is the sequence of the discussion. Someone made a reference to the "coastal highway of fraud." Another person said its not fraud. And I said it was. I wrote -

DeepSight:
It is a fraud.

1. There was no legislative appropiation.

2. It did not go through procurement (Bureau of Public Procuremement).

3. There was no public RFP/ competitive tender.

4. It was awarded unilaterally to the president's dodgy crony who is an international convict in two countries.

5. The cost is inflated.

6. It is no where near a priority and yet was made a priority.

And you replied -

Enice:
Oga stop writing rubbish! It's an executive order that doesn't require legislation

I then said -

DeepSight:
So you are not aware that all utilization of funds requires appropriation under law by the legilature beforehand under the constitution? What ignorance. And you are talking about writing rubbish?

To which you said -

Enice:
Utilisation of which fund? Does the interior ministry not have a budget? You guys like to see Nigeria as a zoo but we are not. Nigeria is a nation govern by laws. Things are done based on planning not someone just waking up and doing things overnight. The NASS has oversight functions on the ministry. If things were not done according to appropriation, someone would've been complaining. So, stop being faster than your shoes 👟

At which point I thougt what he on about, we are discussing the coastal highway. Thats why I responded the way I did.

So thats the source of the confusion and you can see the role you played in it from you first reply. You ought to have seen I was discussing and replying to a comment on the coastal highway.

Adetunde876:
It's obvious Tinubu will win or why the constant shouting on social media.

Win by the popular desire of the people for a fresh round of shege or how?

@ Tctrills,

I shared your response with my friend and this is his reaction -

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To the half baked line. I don’t have to be an expert to disclaim lies. I don’t suppose this person is an expert in the field either.
Let’s just call ourselves students of history, especially the one that is unfolding right before our eyes.
I note that responses are either selective or non-existent! Nothing on B’T Selem calling it a genocide?
So you don’t suppose IDF soldiers posting tik tok videos of dancing in the bras of women in the remains of bombarded homes is not delighting in terror! I don’t need to slur them for their sick minds!
I will not dignify a response to him saying that Mohammed killed Jews as this is just a figment of his imagination. That is not an objective mind.

He’s right that antisemitism didn’t begin in Europe, but again he’s lacking insight as to where, when and who. Because if this person does his homework, he will discover that the ancient origins of antisemitism predates Christianity and therefore Islam.
Secondly, post Christian era antisemitism was by the Christians in Europe.

It is an established fact that really doesn’t bare repeating, the deliberate increased migration of Zionists from the late 19th century/early 20th century and the consequent unrest it caused.

He highlights reprisals during conflicts without context! What does he know of the Stern and Irgun gangs and their atrocities?

The Haifa market bombings

The Jerusalem market bombing

The king David hotel bombing

The Deir Yassin massacre

I will word it differently. 1948 marked the point of no return because that was when the state of Israel was established!
The Zionist project had come to fruition.

Teaching kids to hate and murder Jews?
Even now 64% of resident Israelis say there are no innocents in Gaza! He parrots that sentiment when he says “how many in Gaza are truly civilian”

He must think that the only active settler colonialist state in the world that enlists everybody into the military from age 18 do so out of kindness of their hearts!
Shouldn’t the question be, how many Israelis are truly civilian?

If this person can find footage of a Palestinian beheading an IDF soldier, he might call it proof that they’re savages. I am sure he prefers the advanced technological sophistication of blowing people into pieces with missiles and drones!

If he refutes that this is imperialism/colonialism.
Since he’s backing the genocide, I suppose Benjamin Netanyahu is his champion. He should listen to his champions vision of a greater Israel.

It is his prerogative if he wants to double down on illogical reasoning by smearing a people and calling them names!

I can only conclude that the Zionist indoctrination has truly reached this person.

It thus makes it nigh impossible for any type of constructive discourse.

Enice:
Utilisation of which fund? Does the interior ministry not have a budget? You guys like to see Nigeria as a zoo but we are not. Nigeria is a nation govern by laws. Things are done based on planning not someone just waking up and doing things overnight. The NASS has oversight functions on the ministry. If things were not done according to appropriation, someone would've been complaining. So, stop being faster than your shoes 👟

You also dont know that its not a project of the Interior Ministry but that of the Works Ministry. Furthermore you dont know that the budget of each Ministry must be pre approved by the NASS.

Ol boy your case is special.




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Image123:
You must have heard about Renewed Hope Infrastructure Fund. When are you suing the government in ignorance as a lawyer?

Are you suggesting the funds released to Chagouri do not come from public funds? Because they do, and as long as they do, the law applies to them.

Gabrielshow24:
Max kindly add this to your list, for your fragile low self esteem 🤧.

As for you, kindly engage with him—talk is cheap. Hope you know that we both are familiar with your hadiths and Quran?👀 Infact, in my spare time I read some fascinating🤣 hadiths.

By the way, I will really love to see your reply to his questions 😁 without “unnecessary deflections 😮‍💨“. Have at it😔.

Another feather in his cap!

JimRohn:
Do you really consider DeepSight to be on the same intellectual level as MaxInDHouse or some of the other individuals I engage with here?

Because frankly, MaxInDHouse is among the most intelligent contributors on Nairaland. In contrast, DeepSight does not even qualify for consideration when I rate people based on intellect.

That is precisely why I refuse to bring myself down to his level — instead, I choose to engage with those whose reasoning and arguments are worth my time.

Lol, you are stung and pained by the way I introduced your prophet to you. I understand.
Nonetheless this is just escapist. What use is it to say "oh you are beneath me so I cant answer the questions."

The questions, by the way, are if Muhammad engaged in any of all that I alleged.
As I said, I can back up my claims with your own scripture.

grandstar:
My brother, you haved answered correctly.

For most people, the passport is an investment- that is to those who want to Japa, study or for a business trip.

The others are those who travel for tourism. To be in that class, you need to have money in the first place. The 100k is the least of their problems when you remember that ticket cost 1m or more.

Nigerians are fond of taking pills for any man's problem.

You are missing the point. The point is the tendency of this govt to increase, increase and increase even when things are already tight as a consequence of its policies. That is the point. Remember this is the third increase in two years. That doesnt speak well.

Enice:
Oga stop writing rubbish! It's an executive order that doesn't require legislation

So you are not aware that all utilization of funds requires appropriation under law by the legilature beforehand under the constitution? What ignorance. And you are talking about writing rubbish?

Eboofa:
That lagos-calabar fraud is the one scam that will finally nail umahi and tinubu! 12 billion dollars for that ecological disaster in the making!

Babanla ecological disaster in the making!

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kedeojo:
Lagos- calabar coastal road is not a fraud. If you have been to the section from VI which is just at the front of Eko Atlantic City, then you will know it was a brilliant idea. Travel times will so much reduced. It will relieve the pressure of the Lagos-ibadan- shagamu- ore - Benin roads. Work has already started at both calabar and Akwa ibom axis too. Nobody from south south condemned the road and the only issue raise by late Edwin Clark was for Tinubu to also start from the calabar section and he did and even added Akwa ibom section too. I just hope you are not from south east cos they are the mostly condemning it but they didn't condemned the ones which will connect their zone with north. There is no government who won't make money or even loot in the present day Nigeria, from president to even councilor if they had the chance. What nigerians need is to see it completed and nobody will be consign about the amount. No saint among the current politician. One of my neighbors from agbor is very close to obi and his wife. He his into small chops and he said obi used to frequently host parties. He was heartbroken when he lost cos he knew he would have been in Abuja with them. He was convincing people and calling Tinubu all manner of name just because of what he stand to gain personally . I told him recently that his only support for obi was because of what he want to gain not because he was a credible candidate. I ask him can he compare anambra development under obi and Soludo now. How was Awka and he didn't argue cos he knows better.

It is a fraud.

1. There was no legislative appropiation.

2. It did not go through procurement (Bureau of Public Procuremement).

3. There was no public RFP/ competitive tender.

4. It was awarded unilaterally to the president's dodgy crony who is an international convict in two countries.

5. The cost is inflated.

6. It is no where near a priority and yet was made a priority.

tctrills:
Human beings everywhere show prejudice, but nowhere has a society done more to prevent it than in the Western world. The level of tribalism displayed in just one hour on Nairaland is greater than all the racism by whites on Facebook, Twitter, and other platforms in a year. I don't worship humans, but I am not a liar and would not pretend that we don't have so much to learn from their society.
Lastly, you carry water for Hamas yet accuse me of worshiping white people. Oga Hamas and Palestinians are not black.

In fairness I dont deny the horrible tribalism our people display which is worse than racism and I detest it.
The Palestinian Issue is a global issue because it is one of the stand out cases of open apartheid left in the world today.

I have mentioned before that there is a reason South Africa and Ireland are particularly passionate about it.

tctrills:
Tell your friend to beware of half-baked knowledge.
It is not racist to call a people savage if they delight in terror. Polls show that most of them support the October 7th attack. They teach their kids to hate and murder Jews. Every single time a Jew goes unarmed into any West Bank community, He ends up dead. What more can they do before your dear friend agrees that they meet the definition of savages?

Fact number 2
I have learnt from the Covid times that no organization is truly independent, and it would be a grave mistake not to question your so-called independent human rights and legal bodies. So, since you represent them, what is their evidence of genocide? Do your international sources tell you of Israel's humanitarian efforts in Gaza, or that Israel always informs the people of Gaza where to move before an attack? It will be counterproductive to warn the civilians of your plans if you are looking to kill them. Your so-called independent human rights and legal bodies have fraudulently changed the meaning of genocide when it comes to Israel. Funny thing, none of them declared a genocide in the recently ended Ethiopian war.

Fact no 3
UNRWA is nothing but a terrorist organization. Palestinian textbooks issued by UNRWA encourage Palestinian children to sacrifice their blood to liberate Jerusalem and incite against Jews and Israelis.
[url]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2021-003199_EN.html
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Fact no 4
Before 1948, antisemitism was not limited to Europeans. Mohamed, the Muslim leader, was a top killer of Jews. Both the Arabs and Ottomans showed great antisemitism. The WW2 leader of the Palestinians was in the Hitler camp advocating the gas chamber treatment for all Jews. Educate yourself on the 1834 – Hebron & Safed Massacres (Peasants’ Revolt against Muhammad Ali of Egypt), 1838 – Druze Uprising (Galilee), 1847 – Jerusalem Riots, 1886 – Petah Tikva Attacks, 1891 – Jerusalem Anti-Jewish Demonstrations, 1892–1893 – Early Riots Against Jewish Colonies, Nebi Musa/Jerusalem riots (Apr 4–7, 1920), Jaffa riots (May 1–7, 1921), 1929 “Western Wall”/Palestine riots (Aug 1929),
Hebron massacre (Aug 24, 1929), Safed pogrom (Aug 29, 1929), Black Hand (Izz ad-Din al-Qassam) attacks (1931–1935), Arab Revolt (1936–1939), Tiberias massacre (Oct 2, 1938), Haifa Oil Refinery massacre (Dec 30, 1947), Hadassah medical convoy massacre (Apr 13, 1948)

With all these, do you still believe that these are not Savages?
If your argument here is that the word Semites can't be used exclusively by the Jews, you are correct, but we can't allow the play of words to deflect our discussion. It is not like anyone is confused when the term is used. Also, the meaning of words changes with time. The word Palestinian meant something different 80 years ago.

Fact no 5
This is just rubbish. Your imperialism and colonialism argument is dead on arrival. The Palestinians were given multiple opportunities to build their own nation and rule over themselves all were refused. The first was in 1948, and the last I remember was in 2020 under Trump. (2020 Trump Israel–Palestine plan) The Palestinians just walked away, no negotiation, nothing. They are not ready for peace. This has nothing to do with imperialism if your so-called colonizers are ready and prepared to make peace. Remember, Israel gave back Gaza, and what did they get in return?

Please tell your WhatsApp friend to get more education on the subject. Israel has conducted their war in the most responsible way possible. And they have continued to get better at not killing civilians as the war progressed.
The Nature preprint places the death toll in Gaza at around 84,000. About 40,000 died in the first 6 months of the war. This tells you that Israel is taking great action and getting much better at not killing civilians
Finally, how many in Gaza are truly civilians?

I might decide to respond in detail later but three quick points -

1. It is funny to keep saying "Israel gave back Gaza" - how do you "give back" a place and then keep it under a strict blockade and decide what goes in and what comes out thereby making it an open air prison?

2. It is absurd to call an agency of the United Nations a terrorist organization. This just shows the height of Israeli disrespect for the International Community and International Law. The link you shared only posed a question for parliament and proves nothing. It is inconceivable that a UN Agency does any such thing.

3. Israel is humaitarian? I guess thats why they are presiding over a famine which has emerged iin GAZA by blocking food and relief materials and thereby ensuring starvation and disease.

Israel Again Blocks Gaza Aid -
https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/05/israel-again-blocks-gaza-aid-further-risking-lives

How Israel's policies created famine in Gaza
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg4p90z1kxo

The IRC responds to Israel blocking aid to Gaza
https://www.rescue.org/press-release/irc-responds-israel-blocking-aid-gaza

Israel’s siege now blocks 83% of food aid reaching Gaza, new data reveals
https://www.nrc.no/news/2024/september/israels-siege-now-blocks-83-of-food-aid-reaching-gaza-new-data-reveals

No plans to allow any aid into Gaza, says Israeli minister
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/16/no-humanitarian-aid-gaza-israeli-minister-israel-katz-hamas

There you go. Just a snapshot of a few pieces of evidence of what Israel is doing. And you call this humanitarian? Are you okay?

tctrills:
You can call Jews White Imperialists, but we can't call Palestinians salvages. You can call Christians everything in the book, but we are guilty when we tell you what your friends are. I have never been called a baboon by a white, and I live among them. I have witnessed white men being banned for life from a stadium for using racist words against blacks. One of the fastest ways to destroy yourself in Europe and America is to use a racist word on a black person in public. They are scared to call you a Nigga even in their country.
But till tomorrow, do you know what the arabs, including all Palestinians, call you? "Abd" (عبد) Slave.
Oga, you make no point here

Racism is of course generally formally frowned at, but are you by the above suggesting that there isnt still much racism in the West? If you live in the Western world there is no way you can deny not just its existence but its mass effects in society and particularly in economic realities. Or are you one of those people who worship white people and believe in their innnate superiority? Are you an Uncle Tom?

Gabrielshow24:
Nope🤧, Let's see what you have🤔.

Well here they are. I have reposted them several times since I first listed them on this board 12 years ago. Can you go at them one by one - rather than do what most people do by simply broadly waving them aside and proceeding to cite verses they think suport the deity of Christ.

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D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."


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tctrills:
My first response was to your WhatsApp friend; now my response to you just on one issue, the first fact. The salvage name-calling.
I am surprised that you felt no pang of hypocrisy as you relayed your friend's message.
On Nairaland, I have witnessed you hurl insults, mockery, and ridicule at Christians, their beliefs, their God, and His Christ, but when it comes to the Palestinians, you develop a conscience; that is a bridge too far for you.
Let me ask you, what do you think would happen to you if you went to any Palestinian West Bank settlement as a Jew? You will be deleted in 5 minutes unless they choose to torture you first. It will be done in the open, to the cheering of the people, including their women and children.
But they are not Savages.
What do you think they did when the King and the people of Jordan welcomed them with open arms? But they are not Savages.
What do you think they did to Lebanon after the Lebanese welcomed them with open arms? But they are not savages.
If they were only this animalistic to their so-called white imperial colonizers, we could understand. But the tradition of evil and violence follows them everywhere they go. But dem no be savages.

Drop the hypocrisy, bro.

The Jews are 90 per cent the same as White Imperialist Masters being mostly actually European in every sense and where they are not, they are representatives of Western imperialism still.

It is remarkable that black men who white racists call baboons and savages can join white men to call other people savages. That is the actual irony you should look at.

I am no hypocrite. My disdain for religion is well known and I criticize and blast Christianity as much as I do Islam. I don't see the hypocrisy in that.

GabrielShow24 -

Did I ever provide you with my list of 20 verses against the deity of Christ?

@ Unbiased1,

A friend of mine has been reading our exchanges and sent me this response for you by Whatspp. He has asked me to share here -

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For the purpose of posterity it is important that we deal with facts.

Also, to be objective so let’s not voice sentiments like “in all cases, the Jews are right.
Understand that there is a distinction between “the Jews” and the Zionist state of Israel in spite of the indoctrinations by the latter.

Furthermore, to say any one party is “always right” is unrealistic and therefore not objective to the discourse.
It will only serve to betray a blind bias, which again is not objective!

In any case let’s move on

Fact number 1;

All of humanity are equal! It is racist to refer to Palestinians as savages.
You are a black man, and just because a white racist thinks you’re inferior to him doesn’t make it true. So I repeat, all of humanity are equal.


Fact number 2;

Since the subject matter is the current genocide in Gaza herein is a list of independent human rights and legal bodies that deem it so, based on their on the ground observations and analysis.

B’T selem; An Israeli human rights organisation who’s current executive director is a former IDF soldier

Amnesty international

Doctors Without Borders

ECCHR

Fact no 3;

Israel are committing several human rights violations and have banned all international journalists from reporting on the ground.

UNRWA exists to provide support for Palestinians whom are refugees in their own country, on their own land which in itself speaks to their occupation and oppression.

The strip is referred to as an open air prison because there has been a land, air and sea blockade on it for 18 years which limits the flow of essential goods and medical supplies!

Israel broke a cease fire and banned UNRWA from providing food aid! They confiscate baby formula from doctors coming in, and you call this one sided control over everything a war!

How is that objective?

Hamas has become the caricature villain that they blame for their massacres of innocents. But, they dehumanised and have been massacring Palestinians since long before Hamas. Those are the facts.

October 7th pales in comparison to the sinister cruelties that the state of Israel have subjected the Palestinians to historically.

The main reason why all the good people of the world know about Israel’s atrocities apart from the sick videos that IDF soldiers have themselves posted on tik tok, is due to indigenous journalists risking their lives to document their peoples plight!

And they have paid that ultimate price with the spate of assassinations of journalists in this conflict!

Fact no 4
A history lesson
Prior to 1948 Israel was not a state or a country, it was a people. The Semite people whom follow Judaism

Antisemitism, real antisemitism began in Europe!
Europeans, not Arabs were prejudiced towards Jews, (and Arabs by the way, except there were more migrant Jews in Europe) from the late 19th to early 20th century.

Another fact, Palestinians are Semites, so for antisemitism to only refer to Jews is a modern construct of exclusivity of victimhood .

In spite of the Arab Muslim majority, the Christians and Jews of Palestine had lived in relative peaceful coexistence.
Why? Because Islamic laws require that non-Muslim minorities be protected, the term for them was Dhimmi (protected person)

It is the gradual implementation of the Zionist ideology in the late 19th and early 20th century that gave rise to the instability in the region.

Also, you mentioned the intifadas.
for the record the provocateurs for both intifadas was Israel.
Your reference to the one gate system to the dome of the rock as some sort of unfair system totally ignores the fact that on the other hand it is virtually impossible for Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza to visit the Kotel (western wall) as they require permits which are never granted.
So you tell me which is better, one gate or no gate?

Fact no 5
At the core of this matter is the natural resistance to imperialism and colonialism.

Hence when 1948 came around the war of resistance to the UN proposed approved Zionist lobby for the partition of Palestine with 56% to Israel and 44% to Palestine

The victors in a war of unjust land appropriation are not the righteous.
Just as slavery was resisted in Africa the fact that the rape and plunder of Africa by Europe succeeded does not make it right!

You are right to an extent that if they wanted to obliterate Gazans with their nuclear power, they could. But they’ve chosen an even more cruel, slow death and extermination approach .
They want to continue to terrorise them, to psychologically wear them down so that they leave or die of hunger.
You talk about moving civilians from place to place like it’s a bit of fun. That is terrorism!

It’s sad that you do not understand that Israel is a proxy in the Middle East for the West’s continued imperialism of the world.

Is it imperialism that you support, or is it the misguided interpretation of scripture that you stand on!

If it is religion, do be reminded that for all religions, the key to salvation is goodness, not the selfish, self-centred, narcissistic, brutal pursuit of land and wealth in this finite world.

And if it the former, why?

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