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Gabrielshow24:
This your assessment of Mo' is something else. You wan give Jim heart attack😂. Enjoy yourself while at it😁.

But JimRohn should come back first. Because I can defend it all directly from his scripture and hs authentic hadiths.

Bovis:
Then you remain an import dependent country forever if Nigeria refuse to accept the realistic value of the naira.

Your layman argument is flawed because you would eventually run out of forex to defend the naira and all hell will break loose - You can never outsmart the market

If you know what is stolen by politicians from this country every month you will end this line of argument sharply. More than what was used to defend the naira and more than the so called cost of subsidy - which was an inflated cost anyway.

Remember also that money used to defend the naira is not money dashed out. It is simply forex placed in the market strategically in exchange for naira.

chopnaira:
What do you gain from lying 🤥 ?

Audio. You are the one telling lies. We are used to the false claims of the FG. Even about the recent Japan visit, they lied about Visa concessions. Japan had to come out to deny. No be today. When Ngelale was around, same thing, UAE had to come out to deny their claims.

chopnaira:
Other Countries that President Tinubu has visited:
France
United Kingdom
Guinea-Bissau
Kenya
Benin Republic
Saudi Arabia
Germany
United Arab Emirate (UAE)
United States (US)
India
Qatar
Senegal
Netherlands
Equatorial Guinea
South Africa
Ghana
China
Tanzania, and Ethiopia.

Just see how decrepit he looks particularly in that picture beside Xi.

At all events, visiting the whole world is meaningless when your target is to impoverish your people.

happney65:
Lmao. I read this,burst into laughter and almost fell off my bed.

They say if it didn't dey,it didn't dey. . The exchange rate that currently goes for $1500 from the $400 or so he meet it is what a so called Yakubu from the Budget office and the APC administration is celebrating? Lmao.

See,you people do not need to pay sponsored posts in the media,if he didn't dey he didn't dey. If he dey,he dey. The people will feel it. There is no need to do your high level propaganda as you have always known to do.

Because deep down in you,you all know the Economy has taken a hit since 2015 and as even gotten worst since 2023. There is no white washing that can make it look excellent.

IT IS NOTHING BUT A COMPLETE FAILURE.

P.S. From awọn "Na statistics we go chop" Now reeling out fake stats for us..

Shior

The hypocrisy and justification of failure are just staggering.

This has to be a joke.

We are an import dependent economy.

No import dependent economy can prosper with a weak local currency - because it will always have to pay more to obtain global trade currencies- thereby ensuring that it remains poor. This is Economics 101.

Countries which can afford to devalue their currencies are high producing economies which dont rely on imports. China, Japan, and several others come to mind.

If you think that when everything you use is imported - then you can devalue your currency - then you are eiher clueless or in bed with imperialists.

They dont stop to think - when they say, oh, foreigners are buying more from us - they dont stop to think that those foreigners have gotten your naira cheaper and are giving you back a weaker naira with less purchasing power and which has sparked inflaton to impoverish you. A cycle.

End of.

Unbiased1:
Let me start like this:

1) Who is a Palestinian? A Palestinian is either a Jew or an Arab who lived in the Levant area of the Ottoman Empire and subsequently, the British mandate. Every historic account states this clearly that Jews and Arabs made up the population of Palestine even before the European Jews came there. I started with this because you were almost describing all the Jews in present-day Israel as aliens who came from Europe to reclaim something. There were Jews who never left.

You will note that I acknowledged that there was a remnant of Jews there, nevertheless this was a very small minority.

At the end of the 19th century, the Jewish population in Palestine constituted a small minority, making up about 5-7% of the total population. The majority of the population was Muslim (around 80%) and Christian (around 10%)."

Please look at the table of demographics in the link below which sets out the percentage of population of each group (Muslim, Christian and Jewish) at various points in history.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

You will note that -

1. From 1517 to 1882 through the rule of the Ottoman empire, the Jewish population varied from 1.7% to 8%. Thus it is clear that the Jews were a distinct minority throughout that period.

2. By the end of the 1st World War, they had become 9.1%.

3. Throughout the period of the British Mandate they grew from 11 percent in 1922 to 32% in 1937. This was the period of the first wave of significant Zionist migration from Europe, and so it is obvious that the majority of Jews in the land were now migrants from Europe.

But hang on, the evidence gets worse -

4. Between 1947 and 1948 - a period of one year only - the year of the creation of the State of Israel, the percentage of Jews jumped from 32% to a staggering 82% - in ONE year only!

This shows conclusively two things -

a. That the migration from Europe formed almost all of the population of Jews by that time as compared to the negligible percent prior to the British Mandate

b.In the same period of ONE year the poulation of non-Jews fell from 1.3 million people to 156, 000 people!

The foregoing discloses conclusively what had transpired. A mass migration of Europeans had flooded the land and there was a mass evacuation/ removal of non-Jews.

Please note that these figures are from the Jewish Virtual Library, lest you claim they are biased.

Therefore the case is firmly made, that the Jews of today are essentially European migrants.

It is also crucial to note that the Arabs had been on that land prior to that time since the time of the Byzantinne Empire for some 1, 300 years.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-206581/

And as I have said repeatedly in my last submission, it is absurd to deny a people who have been on a land for over a millenium their indigeneship of that land. I repeatedly used the example of Europeans in America who have only been there for a few centuries and yet no one questions their right to be there.

2) Did you know that Palestine, before the British took over, never had an actual boundary

This is false. Both the Romans and Ottomans had clear boundaries of their territories there, for example. But the fact still remains that Arbas had occupied the land in question for over a millenium. And that speaks for itself.

In one of my previous responses to you, I begged you to mention the names of Arab villages and communities taken over by the Jews before or in 1948, but you didn't mention any, so your claim that Jews not acknowledging the presence of Arabs on the land is utterly false. Also note that these lands purchased were completely different from communities already occupied by the Jews, who never left the Levant.

This is a meaningless point. Even today American States and cities bear Native American names. Where do you think names like Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachussets, Michigan, Minnessota, Missisipi, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, North/ South Dakota, Tenessee, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin, Wyoming - all come from?

All these are Native American names or derive from them and this shows you that it is normal and natural for the old names of a place can and are often retained and this does not then mean that the current white population should all be chased away from America does it? As I have said before, as a purist, I dont mind that happening if the scanty Native Americans can muster the might, but I acknowledged that the time which has passed and the length for which the current population has dwelt there already renders the point quite meaningless as that length of time has effectively made those places their genuine homeland.

How much more for Arabs who have been in Palestine for over 1, 300 years? ? ? ?

Now to hammer this point home and show just how meaningless it is for you, where do you think the so called Jewish names of most of the old towns and cities came from? Thats right - they were old Canaanite names that preceded the time of the Jewish invasion of the land! Examples -

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Jerusalem (Yerushalayim)
Original Name: The earliest known name for the city is Urusalim, found in ancient Egyptian texts from the 14th century BCE. The name is believed to be of Canaanite origin, possibly meaning "foundation of the god Shalim" (a Canaanite deity) or "city of peace."

Hebron (Hebron)
Original Name: The ancient name of the city was likely Hebron, as it is referred to in the Hebrew Bible. The name's origin is debated, but some scholars suggest it may be related to the root ḥbr, meaning "to be joined" or "alliance." The name has been in use since the Canaanite period.

Beth She'an (Beit She'an)
Original Name: The city was known as Beth-shean or Beth-shan in ancient times. The name is a Semitic term meaning "house of comfort" or possibly "house of the god She'an." It was a significant Canaanite city-state.

Jaffa (Yafo)
Original Name: The city's name, Jaffa, is one of the oldest port city names in the world and is mentioned in ancient Egyptian texts and the Hebrew Bible.

Tel Megiddo (Megiddo)
Original Name: The ancient city, a site of numerous historical battles, was known as Megiddo to the Canaanites.

Gezer (Gezer)
Original Name: Gezer was a major Canaanite city-state, frequently mentioned in the Amarna Letters (ancient Egyptian correspondence). Its name likely means "a separated place" or "a cutting."

- - - Culled.

There we go. So summarily you can see how meaningless your point on the names of villages and towns is!

Now as to your question as to what Arab towns and villages were taken over, the radical change in demography by ethnic percentages between 1922 and 1948 suffices without mentioning any list of towns. From a Jewish population of 11 % in 1922 to 80 per cent in 1948 (fifty per cent of which came from Europe in the last one year before 1948) -is enough to prove the point!

3) Did you know that when the British officially called the area "British Mandate of Palestine", the Arabs were not comfortable with the name "Palestine" as they claimed that it was an attempt to erase the Arab identity of the area? Today, these same people have embraced that name as a tool for political warfare against Israel. As stated by a PLO commander, Zuhair Mohsen and member of the PLO's executive committee, in an interview with Dutch newspaper Trouw on March 31, 1977:

"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."

Frankly the name is not important. That is looking at form over substance. The substance is the fact that you had a local population of Arabs, Christians and Jews (majority being Arabs) for centuries. Indeed as late as the 16th century the evidence above shows that only 1.7% of that population was Jewish. So you can bicker about names, but an apple by any other name will still remain what is known as an apple.

When the UN created the partition plan of 1947, the plan was to create a Jewish state and an Arab state, not a Palestinian state, because both parties were identified by their ethnicities, not as Palestinians.

So why is there a Jewish State today which is resisting the existence of an Arab State, even after occupying the little land left to them, cornering them and oppresing them?

There were no "Palestinian people". The only Palestinian people were the ones newly invented by the British after they defeated the Ottoman Empire.

As I have said, the name is inconsiquential.

Were there people called "Americans" at a point in history? No.

The key thing with reference to the area called Palestine is that there was a local population of different ethnicities, simple. Attempting to say that "Palestinians do not exist" today is a racist statement geared at extermination and ethnic cleansing.

4) You mentioned the biblical claim of land by the Jews and even went ahead to call the Jewish God barbaric, and you also spoke about compromises. I'll address both. When the Jews in diaspora returned, they were hoping to get all of Palestine for their Jewish state. The British dealt a big blow to that plan by cutting a huge chunk of the land, a whopping 78% of it, to create Transjordan. At this point, it became clear to the Jews that the promised land their God offered them was no longer feasible in modern times.

We agreed to leave out the promises of any imaginary God from this discussion as anyone can do that. Nonetheless, nowhere in Jewish history did the state of Israel extend to cover all of that country today known as Jordan. Parts of that land were conquered by Israel and given to the tribes of Reuben and Gaad, but much of it remained with Canaanite tribes such as the Moabites, Edomites and Ammonites. But this is irrelevant because the table detailing the population of the current land at issue through the centuries (the link from the Jewish Virtual Library which I gave above) discloses that the current land being discussed - not Jordan - was populated up till 1948 by a Muslim majority.

Following the creation of Transjordan in 1920, the Jews thought the remaining 22% of the land would be the Jewish state since the Arabs had gotten 78% already. That thought was dead on arrival as the Peel accords of 1937 carved out a small chunk of that 22% to be the Jewish state. The Jewish state was 17% of that small piece of land, largely made up of the old Jewish communities and the newly purchased Jewish lands, Jerusalem, and to extent, Bethlehem were to remain under the British Mandate due to their religious importance to both Jews and Arabs and this part made up 8% of the land, while he rest of the land, about 75% of the land was to be an Arab state. Despite the projections of the Jews, their Biblical beliefs and to their great disappointment, they accepted the deal nonetheless. That right there is the COMPROMISE you spoke of. What did the Arabs do? They rejected the idea of having a separate Jewish state and insisted on having just 1 country where Arabs will be the majority. That right there is NOT COMPROMISE. In this war, Israel has compromised by agreeing to release Palestinian prisoners, many of whom were charged with Murder and other crimes, including Hamas members. One of the youths who took part in the famous Ramallah lynching of 2000 was also released by Israel. This is a huge COMPROMISE as Israel is putting itself at risk by releasing these criminals to society, who can attack Israel in the future. On the other hand, one would expect Hamas, whose people are dying to also compromise by releasing all the hostages to stop these frequent Israeli attacks and the complete takeover of Gaza City, but no, Hamas and the Arabs never compromise, and unfortunately, no one is forcing them to, as everyone is focused on Israel.

This is utterly fraudulent hogwash. To attempt to claim that since Arabs had already got Jordan, then that should have been that is fraud. The land at issue, Palestine, at the time concerned has already been disclosed as being predominatly Muslim. Thus any division of that land concerned should have been proportional to the existing population. However as it turned out mass migrations to and from the territory occurred under the pressure of international powers, and no one would suggest that given what occured in 1947-48 (I have already highlighted the drastic change of population above - which was nothing short of ethnic replacement) - no one would suggest that the local population and their ethnic Arab allies were not entitled to resist this scenario.

Whilst Israel turned out to be the stronger military power with Western backing, the fair truth remains that those lands left to the Arabs today, as small as they are, (Gaza and the West Bank) should be accorded the right of sovereignty and self determination - just the same as the Jewish State of Israel enjoys. And most countries of the world today recognise them as such, and it frankly is only being resisted by Israel backed by the USA today. Indeed I just heard in the news today that the US has revoked the visas of the entire Palestinian delegation to the next UN General Assembly meeting. They dont have a right to do that, but that just shows you how far they would go to suppress the Palestinian voice. Their duty as the host country of the UN does not extend to unilaterally banning states from attending meetings of that multilateral organization. The last time this happened the UN relocated the meeting to Geneva. One hopes they will have the balls to do that this time around.

In this matter, the abominable attitude of Israel and supporters of Israel to international Law cannot be excused. Israel is the ONLY country in the world which routinely disregards International Law with the support of the USA. If other countries did that, they would be called rogue nations. Israel goes about routinely bombing its neighbours such as Iran, Lebanon and Syria, including attacking embassies and the premises of international organizations like the United Nations and its sub-bodies - ALL they time. No other nation operates with such a complete disregard of international law but all that supporters of Israel like you can say is simply, to hell with the UN, to hell with international law (as you alluded in your subsequent post). Of course to hell with everyone else and all treaties and laws because Israel is a supreme master race chosen by God and subject to no laws whatsoever, not even laws of decency.

No wonder it is meaningless to people like you that Benjamin Netanyahu has been indicted of war crimes by the International Criminal Court and as such cannot currently travel to most countries in the world. While you will claim that the entire UN and ICC are "antisemitic" it is noteworthy that even two former Israeli Prime-Ministers, Ehud Olmert and Ehud Barack have condemned the so caled war as involving war crimes and being a war of deception. Various international expert bodies have also conclusively called it a genocide.

I will find some time to address the ethnic supremacist worship of Israel in your second post.

cc:

Kukutente23
Tctrills
Mikeapollo
IdaytesJ29

MaxInDHouse:
For being straightforward you may hate me but this is not a friendly manner to start a conversation:

You should not worry about me since you declared that any person who is not a Jehovah's Witness cannot be humble. As such, henceforth presume I am proud, harsh and arrogant.

What I have laid out about Muhammad are facts which I can defend from the Quoran and authentic hadiths.

JimRohn:
Can you point to any prophet who exemplified these traits:

1️⃣ Do you know any prophet who cursed a fig tree out of hunger and made it wither just because it had no fruit?

2️⃣ Do you know any prophet who told his followers to hate their fathers, mothers, wives, children, brothers, and sisters in order to follow him?

3️⃣ Do you know any prophet who allowed demons to enter a herd of pigs, causing them to rush into the sea and drown?

4️⃣ Do you know any prophet who said he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel?

5️⃣ Do you know any prophet who was mocked, beaten, spat upon, and crucified by his enemies?

6️⃣ Do you know any prophet whose followers abandoned him and fled when soldiers came?

That would be the Jewish Carpenter/ Rabbi called Yeshua or Jesus or as you may prefer, ISA. Now, can you answer my question?

It might assist you to note that I am not Christian.

JimRohn:
The bullet and numbering options can be found in the emoji/symbol section of the Android keyboard.

Thanks.

Do you know any prophet who embodied these qualities:

1️⃣ Bloodthirsty

2️⃣ Was a caravan robber

3️⃣ Was a mass murderer

4️⃣ Was obsessed with sex

5️⃣ Routinely contrived inspired verses on the spot to justify his personal desires

6️⃣ Was a despot and tyrant

7️⃣ Was a plagiarist

abysirius:
We want everything free in this country. Education in Nigeria is heavily subsidised by the govt. and once many are done, they are seeking greener pastures elsewhere. Again, govt should make passport acquisition almost free because...entilement kill you. The countries you idiots refer to as sane climes, is everything free there? For some of you to remit come income tax na struggle yet the govt. should give you everything for free. Why not tell the airliner to make their tickers free? You can fly Almost 2 million return ticket but thr 100k to procure your passport is the problem because it is provided by the govt..

As tough as things are you still belong among those who accuse the citizenry of wanting everything free?
Ride on.

DoWhatThouWilt:
Source: https://africa.businessinsider.com/local/lifestyle/9-african-countries-where-citizens-pay-the-highest-passport-fees/3pexrfv

Aleister Crowley what do you intend by posting this?

1️⃣ If BAT has not been hesitant to continuously multiply hardship in his first term when he would ostensibly still need your votes for a second term, please pause to think what he will unleash on you when he no longer needs even your vote for anything.

JimRohn, hw do you do those neat bullet numberings?

folake4u:
Lol, leave litigation and go in-house nau.

I have left litigation many many years ago. Its still the principle.

folake4u:
Hahaha Pele.

I haven't worn my wig and gown in almost two years. Still good as new.

Just on point of principle, its absurd.

Kukutente23:
Let me now tell you why I was calling that aswin guy to bear witness to Tinubu's thievery. He's an agbadoite who likes to go about claiming to be neutral while attacking Obi and Obidients. His claim is that they are the ones who usually trigger him
So I was just stylishly calling him out to show his corn for the world. He understood the message which is why you see that he abandoned the thread immediately he saw Tinubu being mentioned. I expected you to get the gist since I was pushing Tinubu into an unrelated conversation

Very well.

Kukutente23:
This quotes are a direct one from Fani-Kayode's article which was written a few years earlier than this one precisely 2008. Since you said FFK stands discredited, I guess it will be fair for us to trash this too.
Thanx

No they are not. They are his words. You by contrast couldnt even come up with a full sentence of Yaradua's in any quote.
I am done with this topic.
Good morning.

Kukutente23:
I already gave your a broad meaning of cabal and how both people fit until it.
You need to rejig your mind to arrive at where I am concerning the matter




No one can be does not mean no one can try. Even Tinubu had plans of becoming godfather to Buhari if not for ya I belong to nobody speech the man gave on his inauguration. And knowing, I can't bet that he'll not try to be a godfather for the next president of he's able to install that one. But I agree with you that no one can be godfather to a president.
Like I've said earlier, you seem unaware of so many things Yaradua did to undo OBJ's works. He declared the elections that brought him in fraudulent, reversed fuel price, revoked the sale of refineries and within a year, changed the CBN gov. Not only that, he sacked so many govt officials OBJ left for him and installed his own people including Haruna Lukman as Minister of petroleum. Just imagine Tinubu coming out to say Rivers election was rigged. How do you think that will make Wike feel?
Even the SC you mentioned was a betrayal. Out of 3 states that created new LGs only Lagos refused to reverse the LGs but instead took FG to court. Now the SC judgement actually favoured none of the two. It said creation of LGs was illegal and then said OBJ should release the funds to the 27 LGs. From the above, you can easily see that OBJ releasing the funds was premised on those LGs being dissolved. Tinubu refused to dissolve the LGs but pushed out propaganda to the public through his minions in the media that he won in court and OBJ was refusing to release the funds despite SC order to do so. Later, he changed the LGs to LCDA which is an aberration because nowhere in the constitution are states allowed to create another layer of govt. So Yaradua obviously sided with Tinubu by releasing those funds. Why did you think Tinubu has not released Kanu? It's simply because he doesn't want to be seen as repudiating Buhari's capture of the guy from Kenya and incarceration.
In summary, Yaradua massively betrayed OBJ. Even El-Rufai alluded to same in his book.
It's clear though on the issue of quoting that you're at your wit's end. The basic thing you should learn from this is not except where the quote is directly from a book written by the Speaker of a video of his speech, any other quote is simply reported. Whether you have the dates or not, as long as you're not an eyewitness neither do you possess a text of the speech or video, you're still a secondary recipient of the info. So next time, don't go about creating standards you have no means of living up to yourself. You couldn't prove your own point. Sad. Good morning

I have nothing further to add on this topic.

Thank you for your effort, which i do ot believe has proved your claims. I will nonetheles score you a 3/10 for effort only. Good day.

LordReed:
I dey always reason am o! Wear suit and tie enter hot office dey sweat like Christmas goat. When I get to the point of running a corporate office my own corporate wear will be our trad wear instead of suit and tie ish.

Well said.

One of the things that disgusts me the most for we lawyers is the wig and gown. It is such a ridiculous colonial outfit especially in this weather. In most court rooms, lawyers sit like Christmas goats while wearing a garb meant for European courts of centuries gone by.

It is sickening.
I intend to present a petition to the Bar Association to start the process to drop it.

Kukutente23:
Perhaps you didn't read Abati's article that I shared with you to understand what Pa Clark was about. As for NOI, she was the go to on the economy which gave her larger than life influence.

Being the go-to on the economy does not put her in a cabal. She would have to be engaging in secretive actions in a subterranean way.
Bear in mind the etymology of the word. It comes from the Hebrew Kaballah which was mystical and esoterc in nature - thus "hidden."

OBJ was to all intents and purpose a godfather to both men. He was singularly responsible for their emergence and electoral victory. So there's no doubt that they ought to owe him some gratitude and allegiance to ensure his legacy is preserved. But Yaradua especially became so vindictive it almost looked like resentment. Who in less than a year of taking office goes about undoing all that their benefactor did in 8 years? That's betrayal!!

No one can be a godfather to a president. The office is too senior and too powerful.
You cant say they went about undoing all his works. You cited at best two things and that does not amount to undoing all his works - which were many, lasting and unremovable. I notice you have been silent on the LG Funds. Was obeying the SC a betrayal?

It is wrong to say they acted against his legacy. Yaradua had a different take on just two things you mentioned. That is not betrayal.

If you see the Vanguard write up with Sule Lamido, you will see where Yaradua is said to have made it clear that he had given an instruction that anything OBJ requested should be acceded to. You gloss over that. Notice I am respectful enough to put two words in italics.

Seriously, enough. I am tired.

Kukutente23:
P.S. Your link is still not working. Share a screenshot of it with me

Here you go -

Kukutente23:
You've still not given us a source. You keep going about making yourself the arbitrator and decider of what constitutes validity and even your standards you're struggling to meet.
The Yaradua quote is all over the place as well. He was reputed to have said it in March 2008 and was quoted by multiple sources.
Funny enough, even FFK alluded to Awolowo's quote and you already cancelled him
https://femifanikayode.org/50-years-on-an-ode-to-the-land-of-the-rising-sun-and-nigerias-inconvenient-truth-part-2/

Your meaning of cabal is narrowed. Here's Wikipedia's more broad definition that captures out more appropriately

A cabal is a group of people who are united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, a state, or another community, often by intrigue and usually without the knowledge of those who are outside their group.

Even by the definition you have produced you cant accuse NOI or Clark of the bold.
I am tired of this topic. I am still owing Unbiased1 an epistle. I have to devote time to that.

The conclusion of the matter is that is wrong to say that those gentlemen betrayed Obasanjo.

Merely disagreeing with him on policy in some instances does not amount to betrayal. Reducing petrol price, how is that betrayal? The refinieries, were they Obasanjo's property? Was he supposed to be their godfather who would dictate to them the way Wike and Tinubu do to their stooges? Look at the decision to release Lagos LG funds - something in line with the SC Ruling. How is that betrayal.

I have spent enough time on this.

Kukutente23 - In all of this, have you noticed that even the quotes of other people you brought up, do not quote a full sentence? ? ? ? ? You keep coming up with what looks like the tail end of a sentence - "with nothing to show for it."

That is not a sentence and further dents the crebility of your claim.

I have given you full sentences, dates and places. I have added personal public corroboration. All in an effort to show you what a direct quote looks like.

The truth is that there is no where you can find Yaradua saying that. The matter was a huge public issue and MANY people talked about it and piled all kinds of pressure and narratives.

But you can never find the President himself saying what you claimed.

Kukutente23:
The Yaradua quote was in March, 2008

Show me the date, and where? Stop citing quotes of others or the dates they said so.

You are still unable to produce a source for your quotes or should we just accept that you nor dey lie

They are all over the place - I added dates and places so what I have put out is verifiable.

The link you put is not opening

Its opening for me. Here goes again.

https://babajidesalu./2012/10/08/obafemi_awolowo_chinua_achebe_biafra_there_was_a_country_jide_salu_diary/

Its also on Nairaland. Just Google Awo Town Hall Meeting, Abeokuta, 1983 - you will see many transcripts.

and now you've quoted something totally different for Awolowo. Which one should we go with now

Its not totally different. It s a corroboration of the first statement. Corroboration is evidence. So for example, if you cant fnd where Yaradua said what you claimed and you have another occassion where he publicly explained his statement, that is proof by the man himself.

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PS: On GEJ's alleged cabal. Being an influential minister of the technocratic class of NOI does not make her a member of any cabal. Do you know what the word even connotes? It connotes subterranean unofficial direction of things by a group who are controlling things in an under-the radar and suspicious manner towards negative ends.

Definition:

A cabal is a secret plot, or a small group of people who create such a plot.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/cabal

What secret plot was NOI involved in? What secret plot what Edwin Clark involved in? Being an influential figure does not mean one is involved in such.

cc Aswani

Kukutente23:
Where is the video or the transcript of the meeting

July 28 1968, he first said so. Transcript of the Townhall meeting is widley available.

Here are several quotes on the matter and the dates when they were made -

“I want to see no Red Cross, no Caritas, no World Council of Churches, no Pope, no missionary, no UN delegation. I want to prevent even one Ibo from having even one piece to eat before their capitulation. We shoot at everything that moves and when our troops march into the centre of Ibo territory, we shoot at everything, even things that do not move.” (Benjamin Adekunle, Commander, 3rd Marine Commander Division, Nigerian Army to French Radio Reporter).

“All is fair in war, and starvation is one of the weapons of war. I don’t see why we should feed our enemies fat in order for them to fight harder.” (Chief Obafemi Awolowo, Nigerian Minister of Finance, July 28, 1969)

“Until now efforts to relieve the Biafran people have been thwarted by the desire of the central government to pursue total and unconditional victory and by the fear of the Ibo people that surrender means wholesale atrocities and genocide. But genocide is what is taking place right now and starvation is the grim reaper. This is not the time to stand on ceremony, or go through channels or to observe diplomatic niceties. The destruction of an entire people is immoral objective, even in the most moral of wars. It can never be condoned.” (Richard Nixon, during the presidential campaign, September 9, 1968)

“Federal troops killed, or stood while mobs killed, more than 5000 Ibos in Warri, Sapele, Agbor” (New York Times, 10th January, 1968).

“Its (mass starvation) is a legitimate aspect of war. (Anthony Enahoro, Nigerian Commissioner for Information at a press conference in New York, July 1968)

“Starvation is a weapon of war, and we have every intention of using it against the rebels” (Mr Alison Ayida, Head of Nigerian delegation, Niamey Peace talks, July 1968.)

The above are what you call quotes, with dates. By contrast, you cant even put a date to the statement you claimed Yaradua made!

Here is a reproduction of the details of the Town Hall Meeting where Awolowo explained it further. His words were -

“That’s what I discovered and the food would then be taken to the soldiers to feed them, and so they were able to continue to fight. And I said that was a very dangerous policy, we didn’t intend the food for soldiers. But who will go behind the line to stop the soldiers from ambushing the vehicles that were carrying the food? And as long as soldiers were fed, the war will continue, and who’ll continue to suffer?

“So I decided to stop sending the food there. In the process, the civilians would suffer, but the soldiers will suffer most."

https://babajidesalu./2012/10/08/obafemi_awolowo_chinua_achebe_biafra_there_was_a_country_jide_salu_diary/

That is a direct quote from an occassion which the man attended and is famous in history. It is not hear say. It is not what someone said he said. He said it publicly.

You should learn the difference between a direct quote and words merely atttributed or credited to someone. You will find that Buhari said what you claimed Yaradua said, and it is even on video in at least one presidential debate. You will also find that it is said that $11 Billion was being discussed at the time, not $16 billion - which was a later figure. Of course you gloss over these things.

I my quotes above, I have given you dates and places.

Please end thisdiscussion by citing the date and place where Yaradua said so.

PS: On GEJ's alleged cabal. Being an influential minister of the technocratic class of NOI does not make her a member of any cabal. Do you know what the word even connotes? It connotes subterranean unofficial direction of things by a group who are controlling things in an under-the radar and suspicious manner towards negative ends.

Definition:

A cabal is a secret plot, or a small group of people who create such a plot.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/cabal

What secret plot was NOI involved in? What secret plot what Edwin Clark involved in? Being an influential figure does not mean one is involved in such.

cc: Aswani.

Kukutente23:
Where?

In response to international pressure and criticism on the policy of the bloackade of Biafra, he said so on July 28 1969 and furthermore he explained it in a Townhall Meeting in Abeokuta in 1983 in person.

aswani:
Even though you are coming after me too with some side swiping, fair play to you, you are producing some stuff and teasing Ọga DeepSight out of his corner making him say stuff like "Tinubu robbed Lagos blind", which obviously gives you that "prove it card" to use as counter.

I admit, the discussion is intriguing and not the one sided smackdown it initially looked to be. I am lost somewhat though as you guys have spun well away from the centre you started from.

Good stuff all round.

There is not a single personal quote of Yaradua saying what Kukutente claimed he said. He has onLy quoted other people and NOT Yaradua.
He has not shown any betrayal.

Also on Lagos, its a bad analogy. There is actual evidence of Tinubu's stranglehold on Lagos and of his looting. That he has not been prosecuted successfully does not mean the evidence is not in the public domain. It is.

By contrast there isnt any evidence Yaradua said what was claimed. He is just citing the words of other people. Some of whom are notoriously untrustworthy.

Kukutente23:
Where did you get this Awolowo quote from? Where you there when he said it or I should just swallow it hook, line and sinker cause you nor dey lie and you swear to God say Awolowo talk am?

He wrote it himself in black and white.

Kukutente23:
So The Cable, Reno and FFK is lying abi

They simply peddled a popular rumour nd assumption. The noise about the issue predated Yaradua's assumption of office. In fact Buhari it was who made the most of it in his campaigns. Also two of the three you metioned are eminently untrustworthy.

Kukutente23 let me show you what a direct quote of a person looks like.

"All is fair in war, and starvation is one of the weapons of war. I don’t see why we should feed our enemies fat, only to fight us harder."

— Obafemi Awolowo, vice chairman of the Federal Executive Council and Commissioner of Finance.

Direct, verbatim, traceable, sourceable, written and said personally.

Fetch me what Yaradua said.

You cant. It doesnt exist.