₦airaland Forum

Kukutente23:
I remember the debate. My stand was that there was no migration of Mongolians[b] into[/b] Africa that will lead to interracial relationships and genetic mix. Your claim was that it happened and you were so sure of it. Your AI result proves me correct. It says Mongolians came out of Africa. But it also posits that while there is no known direct migration of Mongolians into Africa, there might have been a meeting point in Asia. Again, this is a conjecture not a fact. It is neither here nor there. It ended with modern intermarriages which is as clear as day. So you should be humble enough to admit that you goofed. The facts do not support your claim. There was no migration of Mongols into Africa. End of story

Pls stop playing around. I never for one second claimed Mongols migrated to Africa. If you believe so, quote where I said so.
Secondly, as I have tried laboriously to explan, there is no need for them to migrate here or us to migrate there for it to happen.

All it takes is sex. As I said by way of example, if a Mongol has sex with an Arabian and has a child. If that Child later has sex with an Egyptian and has a child. If that child later has sex with an Ethiopian, etc. Thats how. Simple.

You have great difficulty in admitting a simple wrong. Pride. Its a shame.

InvertedHammer:
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Money is a measure of value and not the currency you are holding. One can worth N1 billion and may not have N50k cash laying around. A country can print all the currency it wants but it is not operating in a vacuum. US dollars is the reserve currency. The more local currency a country prints, the less its value against the reserve currency leading to gross inflation---too much money chasing fewer goods.

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Thats why the USA is ready to go to war over anything that threatens the status of the dollar as reserve currency. I would like to see a BRICS Currency.

immaculatesense:
I have never looked down on other governments.
But if TINUBU will take the blame for the insecurity that never began under him, don't you think he deserves the praise for successes he is recording that did not also begin under him?
I think that is fairness at the least.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

Why must you end with that phrase!

immaculatesense:
Lol...this government frustrating Dangote? Are you kidding?
Was it not the same Dangote that said it was Tinubu that gave him the leverage to build the refinery in Lagos when he was rejected in Ondo? Was the Dangote not praising TINUBU to high heaven?
You do not know the Politics in the Oil sector so you better go learn before u start analyzing what you know nothing about.
Dangote wants the importation of Refined products to stop so that all oil marketers will buy from him. The government was not convinced about stopping importation of Refined oil for two reasons.
1. Monopoly of the sector (biggest sector in the nation) by Dangote. When we have another competitive refinery that can compete in price with Dangote you will see that the government will ban importation of PMS.
2. Crude should be sold to him in Naira. That was the news you read about the alarm he raised at the time. The government took their time to assess the situation and agreed with Dangote for two reasons. (1) It will reduce pressure on Demand for Dollar (2) Strengthen the naira.

So, holistical. The government (TINUBU) was never against Dangote. Some politics were played by both Dangote and some powerful politicians (some in government) who have stake in the Oil sector but felt threatened by Dangote.
VERDICT: Dangote won 1/2 (Naira for Crude). They (politicians in the Oil sector) won 1/2 (Continuous assess to importation of PMS).

HOW MUCH YOU GO PAY ME FOR THIS ENLIGHTENMENT NOW?
No Be Juju Be Dat?

You just enjoy that phrase "no be juju be that."

Look, several governments have played a role. Thats how things work.

LaIabobo:
Yes because it is a global currency so there is huge demand for it. Also people over the world still trust the USD.
However they cannot keep printing endlessly as it'll also affect its own economy. So these days, the reserve bank just create digital dollars and credit bank accounts of creditors.

I see that as the same thing as printing. Soft copy.

immaculatesense:
The bottom line is that we are an exporting country in the last two years under the leadership of PBAT whether it is private induced or public or synergy, we are on the right track.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

Why are you trying to attribute it to BAT? Something that has been steadily in the works for over ten years?
In fact we all recall how this govt tried to frustrate him, he had to go on TV to shout for the first time ever.

LaIabobo:
Only USA can afford to print money (dollars) and have minimal effect on their economy. Even so, countries can’t just print money because it makes prices go up (inflation). If they keep printing, the currency loses value as there is too much in circulation.

Why do you think only USA can do that?

1. Size of their economy OR
2. The dollar being the global reserve currency.

Kukutente23:
Your analogy about Arabs being there a thousand years is weak. Israel according to history have occupied the land for at least 4000 years!
No one can make religious claims that do not exist. Religious claims have to be backed by evidence from the texts not just wishes it hearsay.
Jesus was a religious and cultural disruptor which the Romans never really cared for. In fact, the Romans never bothered to colonise their subjects culturally or religiously. They were only concerned with political and economic power and tributes. In fact, they hardly concerned themselves with the Jews due to their rebellious nature. That's why they imposed Herod on Palestine and left him to deal with them as he pleased even while they knew he wasn't a Jew

I hope you know the reference by Josephus is even controversial and said to be a later insertion by Church leaders.

@ Kukutente23, furthermore, this is not a question of all humans originating from Africa. Such can happen and it doesnt even have to be that the African was in the same place as the person of another race. A Mongolian can have sex with an Arab for example, the Arab can have a child who has sex with an Ethiopian, etc. Over generations and with movement it happens. I just used two generations, meanwhile this can stretch over even ten generations.

Kukutente23:
If you had read your AI upload, you'll have seen that your premise is totally at odds with the result you posted. Instead of Mongolians being ancestors to Africans ad you claimed, your result suggests it should be the other way round and it's not based on any racial relationship but simply on the theory that all humans originated from Africa. The only place where your theory is deemed possible is written under Recent Intermarriages and migration which means in our contemporary period. In other words, your AI actually supports my stand and not yours

I dont know if you remember the debate properly. Your argument was that it was impossible. My argument was that it ws possible. And no, it does not have to be recent intermarriages. All it takes is sex somewhere in history. The Mongols formed the largest contiguous land empire in history and reached as far as the borders of Europe. Africans were sparsely around the middle-east/ arabia in same time as travellers, traders, slaves, curiosities, etc. It just takes sex somewhere along the line and thats all. Thats what you dont get.

LordReed:
Damn dude! You have been journeying long man.

Life is an enigma, a beauty, a torture, a mystery. I don't know how anyone can live without contemplating the meaning of life and reality. It has intrigued me since I was a child and I am late forties now!

immaculatesense:
This is Laudable.
I don't know why some people will still be sad with Nigeria under Tinubu.
I was talking to a guy sometimes ago on different thread that Nigeria is currently an export country and no longer import dependent country.
Nigeria is Getting Great Again.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

We became an export country in the last two years?
Better thank Dangote and his refinery.
Oh I forgot, Tinubu built that too within one year of resumption.

thehomer:
I know facts look like arrogance to those who don't understand but it can't be helped. You're not paying attention to what I've posted before. I'll post it again. Your thinking relies on the fallacy of composition.

https://fallacyfiles.org/composit.html

You're relying on a logical fallacy to make your point and you still don't recognize this after I've pointed it out several times. All I can say is you need to read the information already available. Do you understand the logical fallacy I shared with you? Universe type objects are different from objects within the universe. They act differently and with universe type objects the information we can obtain about them is limited. If you're proposing special knowledge, try to understand what we already know and how we came to those conclusions.



Once again you're demonstrating how superior your knowledge is compared to actual cosmologists in the field. You're declaring that time didn't start with the expansion of the universe. Do yourself a favour and study first. Actual scientists recognize that there is a limit to what is knowable and it is explained as where the laws of physics breakdown but you refuse to accept this and propose your theory. I asked to elaborate on this and you ignored my request. If you know better, provide your explanation or model. Keep in mind that if there was time outside the universe, then there would be space, i there's space then it will have some effect on this universe.

I did say I will not go on in circles on this forever and I will not. I have said all I have to say and thus have nothing further to add - unless you introduce a point I have not yet heard. Good luck.

We can move on to the the evolution of sexual reproduction.

Nigerian politicians are a curse.

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thehomer:
1. The question is malformed. The universe is expanding. The space we observe is between bodies within the universe.

I can't carry on in circles forever. If you wish to kid yourself so be it. If you go back to the example of a balloon expanding, you will find that the space within the balloon (and thus the particles within it) are moving outwards. In this two things are inescapable. One, is that that something is being injected into the balloon. Two, is that, if there was no space outside that balloon it would not be able to move outwards.

And this remains simple.

Motion cannot occur without space. It's simple. Where anything moves from one point to another that already discloses the existence of space. Otherwise there would be no points to move to or from.

You can kid yourself and be as arrogant as you want. It only rebounds on you.

2. Events within the universe occur within time.

Again, the big bang itself, was an event which is said by orthodox science to have created time itself. An event cannot occur if time is not already existing. The very words "occur" or "happen" should suggest this to you and I am midly irritated to have to explain it. Events can only occur within time. Thus, for the event of the bang to occur, there was time already. Thus, the bang could not have created time itself. That is as absurd as a creationist saying that God created himself. An event cannot create the time within which it happens.

As I have said with reference to space above, I will not go round in circles on this forever. Res ipsa loquitor. The thing speaks for itself. If you choose to delude yourself, thats your cup of tea.

tctrills:
Enjoy.
Just because you have decided to support evil doesn't mean the rest of us should.
We know enough history not to be fooled.
Please fight for Nigerians. They are suffering more than these pampered fools

Look at the words you are using on an occupied people. "Lazy Goats".... "Pampered fools?"

Have you no conscience?

These are the sort of words your imperialist white masters will be happy to hear as they used them on all Africans including the oppressed South Africans during Apartheid. Nevermind that they called them terrorists too, while terrorizing them.

tctrills:
Now this suffering Olympics you are trying to create makes no sense.
You (Nigerians) are suffering much more than the Palestinians.
These evil Palestinians are pampered lazy goats who have refused peace and who love death more than life. They were given every chance but they said No. I don't know what you expect of Israel.
Honestly, Israel has tried. No other nation will tolerate such nonsense.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

tctrills:
You only hate Israel. You don't care about any other suffering group except perhaps in your imaginary book.

So according to you Israel is suffering: and their suffering matches that of those they are torturing, caging, oppressing, starving and killing?

Image123:
Squealer, try to reason. The request he's accused of is what i mainly referred to. If he was making some political request, perhaps it'll make sense. It's out reaching to imagine that a non member of a denomination is requesting to be part of their governing body. That i have to explain this to you is serious.

LordReed was being sarcastic for heavens sake.

MaxInDHouse:
So let's just say you are through with our discussion!

Nope.

Stop being so sentimental.

Go on.

As for shunning, I am not convinced and I will reply.

LordReed:
Holy Andromeda! Maybe these guys don't understand sarcasm!

I swear, it left me feeling cold as if there was winter in my room.
So dont be too surprised at Max.

LordReed:
LMFAO!

At some point, being sarcastic with him, I said one of his things, like "Word God does not refer to God" or one other such BS.
And the clown replied - "You are getting it now."

LordReed:
The guy is a basket case. He can tell an Eskimo that snow is volcanic ash. LoLz.

That sort of reminds me of "Good does not mean good" and other fantabulous stories from our friend, Igboho.

Kukutente23:
Wow!! This sounds like some weed inspired Shiite
Where did you get all these info from? Because Jebusites and Edomites are not Israelites according to the Bible o
Chai!! So according to you Hebrews are Igbo now
My brother your colos loud

Lol, @ his colos.

I dont agree with him.

But I see something here - the topic of migration and descendants which we argued. I dont do AI in my debates often, because I use my own mind. Which is important. Nonetheless, just for you, I put in the question - Is it possible for a modern African to be descended from a Mongolian? Here is what it said -

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Yes, it is possible for a modern African person to be descended from a Mongolian. While it might seem like a long stretch geographically and historically, there are several ways this could have happened, and a key factor to remember is the long history of human migration and interaction.

Here's a breakdown of the possibilities:

Ancient Migrations: All modern humans originated in Africa. Early migrations out of Africa led to the peopling of the rest of the world, including Asia. Over tens of thousands of years, these populations spread and diversified, but they all share a common African origin. While the modern Mongolian and African populations are geographically and genetically distinct, the initial "Out of Africa" migration means they share a deep genetic connection.

The Mongol Empire: The Mongol Empire, led by Genghis Khan, was the largest contiguous land empire in history. Its conquests stretched from Asia into Eastern Europe and the Middle East. While the Mongols did not conquer much of Africa, their influence and the subsequent movements of people within and on the fringes of their empire could have led to a genetic legacy. Some genetic studies suggest a widespread "star cluster" of Y-chromosome haplogroups across a vast area of Asia, linked to the expansion of the Mongol Empire. While direct evidence of this haplogroup in Sub-Saharan Africa is not as common, the historical and genetic links in neighboring regions could have facilitated some genetic flow over centuries.

Later Historical and Trade Connections: Over the centuries, trade routes, like the Silk Road, and other forms of human migration have connected different parts of the world. While Africa and Mongolia are far apart, they were not completely isolated. Trade and movement, particularly through the Middle East and Central Asia, could have facilitated some genetic mixing.

Recent Intermarriages and Migration: In modern times, with global travel and increased migration, it is even more possible for people from different parts of the world to meet and have children. It's not uncommon to find people of mixed heritage, and this includes people with African and Asian ancestry.

Important Note on Terminology: It's worth noting that the term "Mongoloid" as a racial classification is now considered obsolete and is rooted in outdated and racist pseudoscientific ideas from the 18th and 19th centuries. Modern genetics does not support the idea of distinct, biological "races." Instead, it shows that human genetic variation is a continuum, with more differences within populations than between them.

In conclusion, while a modern African person is not likely to have a large percentage of Mongolian ancestry, it is certainly possible to have some, particularly given the long and complex history of human migration and the globalized nature of the modern world.

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Now I feel sad having to xtract this for you. It makes me feel as though I am descending. I dont know why anyone would deny what human history, movement, sexual relations and the like make happen all the time.

MaxInDHouse:
This means you weren't following what is going on between myself and LordReed.

He equated what Jehovah's Witnesses teaches to other religions claiming they are SUCCESSFUL and i explained that the Bible God has explained what real success is from His own angle but the atheist kept arguing that worshipers of Mammon claiming pastors are equally blessed that's why i told him not to disturb me with his unbelief i am only interested in you because you claim to be humble something LordReed detests.

Mgbo, LordReed, they say you destest humility?

In his comment i quoted he was arguing about the same thing back then which is worldly riches, he was asking how much the Governing Body members are been paid then he said i should make him a Governing Body.

So the intention of his heart is clear all he wants is riches not righteousness!

Come on, he was being sarcastic.

Remember also that its not just wealth, there is power over other people.

TimeManager:
Words could be as powerful as " subsidy is gone " that changes the dynamics of the oil sector. Without that singular pronouncement accompanied with a political will, Dangote would not have invested so much.

-Kiss the truth!

Dangote had invested that much years, years, years before the Tinubu Presidency. Or do you think he built that refinery in one year after Tinubu. Are you okay? You people sha.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahahahahaha! Anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together can see what that was, not this attempt at bad belle interpretation. LMAO!

It is truly worrisome that it could be interpreted otherwise even with the hint of laughter you added. Worrisome. Very worrisome.

Just look at these words -

because you want prominence among faithful people thinking it's all about gathering material possessions.

What is this for heavens sake? ? ?

tctrills:
Oga we both know that you are not interested in my contribution so why did you mention me?

Now to your last statement about Netanyahu sponsoring Hamas.
You have shown that you are only interested in half-truths than in understanding.
If I have 2 enemies and both hate themselves, sponsoring one over the other could be very strategic. We have seen Israel over time force the Palestine organization and bring them to the table using this method. The west Bank is relatively safer because of this and other strategies.
What you do is very easy. With zero experience or understanding of war, you condemn Israel without offering a better method to fight the terrorists on both their eastern and western borders.

Anyway, Israel is no longer sponsoring Hamas, they are now wiping them off the face of the earth so people like you no longer have a reason to complain.

If I was not interested in your views, I would not cc you. The thing is I hate arrogant and dismissive attitudes to human suffering and oppression.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows you really need to know the person called "Christ" by studying his words diligently not just listening to what people say about him.

For your information it's Jesus Christ himself that taught us to shun anyone who refuses to agree with whatever the organization agrees upon!

Where did he teach that please.

MaxInDHouse:
The group making those books are called Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses if you don't know what they stands for we won't bother arguing with you because they are the only channel the true God is using to dispense spiritual food today.
So when some people speaks of what is found in the publications they produced yet concluded they are just mere humans we laugh at such people.

Are you saying humans cannot dissect issues the way they do? Humans do that all the time.
Besides the GB has been wrong and revised itself several times.

MaxInDHouse:
Blood Transfusion and Shunning.

Let's discuss reasonably on the issue of blood transfusion.
Nobody wants to die or loose their love ones so any right thinking person would feel something is wrong when obedient to a rule could mean the death of his or her love one.
But let's look at the matter from another angle.

The Bible God said:


This is what the Lord says— your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: “I am the Lord your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go. If only you had paid attention to my commands, your peace would have been like a river, your well-being like the waves of the sea. ‭Isaiah 48:17-18 NIV‬


Of course humans have developed ways of handling health issues but servants of the true God don't undermine whatever God says when it comes to our health.
Intake of blood was condemned in the Bible in ancient times {Genesis 9:4} we thought it's just about a religious rite but it was repeated after Christianity was established in a more unique form:

For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things:  to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!” Act 15:28-29

Jehovah wants His Witnesses to become many, Satan will be put to shame when many are becoming peace lovers from different nations throughout the world {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} so He wouldn't want us to die but then we need to remember that when it comes to the knowledge about sound health out Creator knows best. If some health personnels discovered an easy way to treat people it's a welcome development but if such will later lead to more trouble then we will rather stick to what our God said.
Blood Transfusion was introduced not as the best way to treat patients but just another experiment by scientists and there are options not that it the only way out.
Another thing many heath personnels have discovered is that blood transfusion is leading to more deadlier issues in fact many more diseases are coming up since the introduction of blood transfusion.
Today many health professionals are now thanking Jehovah's Witnesses for our firm stand on the matter because they now have lots of alternative form of treatment instead of blood transfusion and they are safer.
So it's not about blind faith but what we all need to do to make this planet safe from deadly diseases emerging from the experiments carried out by imperfect humans!

No problem there.

What about shunning.

How can you ask someone to shun their own family?

Would Christ do that?