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LordReed:
He will soon tell you telepathy doesn't refer to telepathy or book doesn't refer to book. LoLz.

FreeIgboho:
Talking in a sense akin to telepathy NOT literal talking

Where have you seen telepathy in a history book please.

FreeIgboho:
How are you sure your history textbooks don't also contain myth, legends and lore? The Bible has NOTbeen proven false!

Because they dont contain the sort of supernatural fantasies I listed for one thing. They could be inaccurate, that's for sure, but show me one history text that mentions a talking snake, and I will drop the matter.

FreeIgboho:
Not with the way it happened with Jesus (over thousands of years and by unimpeachable people).
See a list of who has to be wrong:
*Isaiah and other prophets (prophets who were never wrong)
* John the Baptist
* The 3 kings who worshipped him as an infant
* Peter and other apostles
* Jesus himself who said he was the Alpha and Omega and the "I AM"
*The 300 bishops at Nicea who were almost unanimous
* Etc

Alas, you have mistaken the Bible for a History Text Book.
It is full of a lot of myth, legends and Jewish lore / fantasies. Alot there was also borrowed from much older cultures and traditions mainly to the East.

How many of these do you consider events that we can take as history -

1. That a snake spoke to a woman in a Garden called Eden

2. That a donkey spoke to a prophet while on a journey

3. That angels slept with women to produce giants

4. That a man slept in the belly of a fish for three days

Do you regard these as historical events for which we can say, yes, we hold them true and we can use as evidence of truth of your claims?

LordReed:
Eleventy billion wrong people are still wrong. Their vast numbers don't make them right.

Speak it abeg. As if the belief held for generations that the Earth was the centre of the universe was true for the fact that it was held by so many and for generations. Does this fella stop to consider the millions who have held one belief or the other for generations?

There is something amiss with this fella oh. On a serious note.

Image123:
Errrrr, "is always right" is English. You don't need to read a book or know where it's coming from. Anyway, i assumed it can be from Animal Farm or the famous Bonaparte. Either way, my point and practicality is clear irregardless of innuendoes.

Its from Animal Farm and it was uttered by the stallion Boxer as his maxim. He represented the working class - the suffering poor - who would always say that their oppressor, Napoleon the pig, who represented Stalin, was always right.

That is how I see you.

horpe132:
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Same thing affects/affected payment by card... At least the cards are hosted/funded by an entity.... That entity also needs to come to CBN or their financial partners to reconcile what they've sold (dollars/Naira), and claim their profit...and roll again .... Na there wahala dey

When this thing started, you could not even make some basic subscriptions which were Google-related - not companies who would approach CBN for any USD. Not the expert on this stuff, but I didnt have the sense that the country was losing USD / Forex that way because if they accepted your naira card and converted it in electronic money to their currency offshore automatically, such naira monies surely must reflow to naira expenditure destinations to balance up. Anyway, as I said, this is not my area of expertise, but one thing no one can argue about is that that policy did not have any positive impact on our forex flows whatsoever, or even the rate of the naira, etc, so I struggles to see the benefit.

In fact, after the policy was implemented things only ever got worse by every forex metric. . . .

horpe132:
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It's not as simple as that, it's complex but leme attempt to break it down for you...
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You see, they didn't just shut the Naira/Dollar system down..... They shut it down cos it (the system from CBN) was confusing & uncertain for market operators...
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Too much speculation, fraud, backdoor deal etc.... so automatically it must be killed or it kills itself at a point

I am talking about payments by cards oh.

Godfullsam:
The difference between people like you and the north:

1. The north are not foolish
2. The north are not emotional
3. The north knows balablu far more than you people.

The truth is, other than those who may vote him for tribal loyalty there are *very few* throughout Nigeria who will wish to see him back.

We simply can't lie about the fact that he has represented hardship, starvation and death to the majority.

You can sing and dance about long term plans but the ordinary voter does not go to the polls with that in mind. Most don't even believe his long terms plans because the ongoing corruption is obvious to everyone.

Nigeria, unfortunately is a deeply tribalistic society. And whilst his SW bloc will not entirely support him, you will find that most of his support will still come from there (same with other candidates by the way).

Putindbutt:
How about 2023, was Buhari on the ballot?.

As a party man, yes.

Ijoba85:
The unknown keyboard warriors forget that Tinubu is the best politician in Africa . When he was not yet a president , he made buhari a president . He boasted that emilokan (hes the next) and then got the seat of the president against all odds despite cashless policy , insecurity here and there etc. The same person is who you guys want to vote out , right ? Make una just dey play my fans

And thats why he barely got 37% of the vote?
Just wait there.

Putindbutt:
Onome, If you're not a northerner, you can never be a northerner. Atiku is unpopular in the North, how many votes overrall did he get in the North in 2019 & 2023?.

That was on account of the Buhari legacy factor.

jamafa:
Which north is gone 🤣

How does he show them pepper ?

They will vote Tinubu massively

E go.b like JuJu for your eyes 😂

Maybe you are living on the moon.

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I cant understand the way we come up with policies just to punish ourselves. So they just put so many people through unnecessary anguish for no reason when they stopped the naira cards from foreign payments. This country. It is not for the faint hearted.

givedemwotowoto:
It's actually the opposite. The North will not support Tinubu over the coalition.

Tinubu has no path to win. People in the know (including El Rufai) have said it, and I have backed it up with numbers: https://www.nairaland.com/8485684/tinubu-cant-win-re-election-2027

It's impossible. It's obvious he can't win. The kind of rigging it will take will be the first on this planet and will cause a crisis of international dimensions.

The North is gone. The fellow in the rock should forget it. No magic can get it for him.

He doesn't know that he has shown them pepper already and they are very strong minded in things like this.

No way they will vote him again.

Image123:
Lolz, Napoleon must borrow or where do you want him to get money for your wants?

Do you know where the saying "Napoleon is always right" comes from, and who was saying it?

plaetton:
We know that are pockets of terrorists elements in Pakistan, for example.
But when a band of terrorists crossed over to India several years to commit acts of terrorism, the Indian state responded appropriately to send potential copycats a loud and clear message.

If terrorism is flourishing freely in certain parts of Nigeria for quite a while now, then the Nigerian state has failed.., failed as in a Failed State.

Agreed, Nigeria has generally failed, and not just on this matter.
But knowing the roots of the BK problem can help develop out of the box solutions. At more international dimensions.

That doesnt necessarily amount to "blaming others" - a really intelligent approach might require involving those others in the solution!

plaetton:
We are still blaming others.
Nigeria is ,we are repeatedly told, a 65yr republic, and today, a democratic republic that the most populous and economically powerful in all of Africa.

The primary purpose and responsibility of government, above all else, is the PROTECTION of its citizens.

When the senseless slaughter of 38, 50, 100 ,300 citizens on a daily basis no longer makes headlines, no longer engender emergency press conferences from government security agencies, then it should be obvious that what we call government are themselves nothing but an assemblage of bandits, albeit, a slightly different type of bandits.

Are you saying anything one doesnt know?

Wait a minute.
Is it that you are not aware of the international dimensions of terrorism in the entire Sahel and how the proliferation of small arms started there?

Or you are saying merely knowing it amounts to "blaming others?"

Kukutente23:
Ah!!
Imagine the image you're projecting
So it was not good to remove subsidy when the economy was much better?
So which team has stopped stealing FAAC, SWF and ECA? How much was ECA in 2015 and how much is it now?
How much is FAAC now and where's the impact?
Diaris God ooooo

It's quite sad just watching people like him. Very very very sad.

Image123:
The MTEF is a borrowing plan, it's not likely to be borrowed but just a good way to plan just in case. Nigeria cannot attempt to be debt free at the moment. We don't make enough compared to what we need and spend, simple facts. As we speak, the US government is asking for voluntary contributions to help pay its debts. You can't need good roads, healthcare, rail, schools, hospitals and good salaries and not borrow in Nigeria's condition.

Lol, Mr. "Napoleon is always right."

plaetton:
Imperialism and Neo-Imperialism is not a new thing in phenomenon in human political culture.
In fact, self interest is ingrained in the human psyche. Self interests ( taking advantage for one's gain ) of nations has been the driver of human civilization, and one might even say, progress.

Does Nigeria have a Self interest?
What is Nigeria's Self interest?

Nigerians kill, rape, loot and plunder Nigeria and Nigerians than had any colonialist power ever did.
That is fact.

Understood but what Western powers did in Libya had a cascade / knock on effect in producing much of the terrorism in the Sahel and Northern Nigeria.

FreeIgboho:
I guess it all depends on what we and this our reality actually are (vs what we think we are) and what God actually is. Suppose it turns out this is actually a family project and Jesus happens to be the only member of the family who agreed to debase himself and visit earth to remedy some fundamental errors? It could be anything and probably something beyond our wildest imagination.

Slightly better propositions.

As for prophecy, of course anything is possible but some things are highly unlikely - "God with us" was prophesied, "Prince of peace" was prophesied, "atonement for sins of the world" was prophesied, so were birth in Bethlehem, Mighty God, birth in a manger, etc. Why only Jesus in particular, who was not known for faking things? Why didn't any other person try to do same.
ANYTHING can be doubted but, like I said, in this world we go by preponderance of circumstantial evidence, not proof!

You keep writing as if you were there to see these things happen. There is no single evidence that they did. Dont you know that anything can be written? I have a copy of Nostradamus' prophecies. There are so many i can simply write anything to make it appear that i have fulfilled one.

The whole thing doesnt mean jack.

I also hope you know Jesus did not write a single word. All the gospels are stories written about him decades after his death (if he existed) - and there are many of them, not just four - four were chosen by the Roman Curia - many more stories exist which totally contradict those four stories.

PS: Those four stories were not even written by the people they were ascribed to.

FreeIgboho:
Even LordReed agreed that if everything said about Jesus in the Bible were proven true he'd also believe he is God (if he were open to such belief). LordReed!! LordReed who is beyond atheist and is igtheist!!

You can't know better than all the generations of people who foretold Jesus as God coming, worshipped him when he came, and still worshipping him over 2000 years later!

Obviously it has never occurred to you that it is possible to deliberately fulfill a prophecy if one is aware of it, or to deliberately claim that it was fulfilled, or even write the prophecy after the fulfillment. I say this generally of prophecies, not of your Jewish Lord in particular.

How do I deliberately fulfill a prophecy? Simple. I know of it. It says one will ride a donkey into Jerusalem. So I hire the donkey and ride in deliberately. Prophecy fulfilled.

Look, even if all of those things were true, no, I would not believe that any man is God. They would at best mean that he was a prophet or messenger from higher realms.

Because for me, God is not personal.

IT remains beyond all existence.

FreeIgboho:
It is very tiring trying to refute a cogent, intellectually honest statement (example, my post above).
Simple: you're in no position to say: "Jesus can't be God because..." Now, if another person claims to be God and it's only them saying it, etc, I can dismiss them as liars

Perhaps you dont know me. I have many years of setting out the arguments carefully. I have nothing to prove to merchants of illogic.

https://www.nairaland.com/1341464/anony-deep-sight-verse-verse#16582813

Those are just some biblical points - both sides.

But fundamentally Jesus is not God because he was, if he existed, just another man.
If you think his life was incredible fine. Many have had incredible lives.
Its also absurd worshipping your fellow man, dont you know.

God is transcendental, ineffable, unknowable. Its absurd to point to any man and call him God.

I cant proceed with you though, as you say things like "good is not good" and you set out lists and say you didnt.
Its impossible to discuss.

ednut1:
When African countries go fit build their own planes?

Did you not hear that Bola built some?

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sulaak:
So why are migrants going to Lagos? You tell me

Its obvious. Commercial opportunities. That's the same in many countries - people tend to flock to the commercial nerve centre which Lagos is.

The real way to stem the tide is to ramp up commerce and industry across the country.

Are there any social services in any part of Nigeria? I am not aware.

Here in Lagos its pretty much each man / estate for himself / itself.

sulaak:
Critical thinking is one of the biggest downfalls of African people; we never solve problems until it's too late. We will continue with the uncontrolled internal migration until it's too late, and then resort to ethnic violence because we refuse to implement policies that will control internal migration.


The Chinese use the Hokou system to manage internal migration; you can't just travel to a state or city and arrange your accommodation, or state your purpose of travel. This is the reason why China, with 1.5 billion, don't have ghetto or illegal settlements and all the insecurity and upheaval that come with uncontrolled internal migration.

How would this system work in a Nigeria without social services and where most people do everything for themselves?
Do you think migrants to Lagos are coming to collect any social services here? I dont think so.

FreeIgboho:
You've lost that one. Leave that and tackle why
all-good, all-powerful God allows evil - something
Gabrielshow24 brought up like he has the definitive answer, then shied away when asked to present it!

Abeg I need a break from your kind of illogicality. I should have learnt the moment you started saying "Good does not mean Good."

As for that fella, he must be your twin.

Gbagbe e

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plaetton:
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There is something about conspiracy theory nuts with room temperature IQs that compels them to reveal themselves at every opportunity.

Although we have to agree that neo imperialism is both real and insidious. See the activity of France in the Sahel and many Western interests in DRC.

FreeIgboho:
Jesus has to be God Son of God because people over centuries declared him so. So you can't say they came together and conspired to name him so. The three kings who worshipped him as an infant did not know Isaiah who prophesied God was coming, and neither knew Peter who confessed him Son of the living God, etc

As you wish.