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wirinet:
And you that his brain is functioning, are you more successful or prosperous than her?

Success, particularly political success is not necessarily a function of any kind of sanity otherwise you must call Trump a sane person.

wirinet:
False premise. Believe in God had never given anyone morals or direction, else Nigeria and Afghanistan would have been the most moral and directed countries of the world, but instead they are the most immoral and directionless.

Religion plays no part in British politics unlike Nigeria that keeps bickering Muslim Christian tickets. The last leader of the Conservative party was Hundu. The current mayor of London is Muslim.

But apples for apples, it is fair to say that all this is very recent against almost two millenia of religious domination of British history and leadership.

Kukutente23:
It's always this nauseating hypocrisy from you lots
I guess you were in space when Michelle Obama took a photo with the BBOG hashtag in 2014 or when the opposition was actively undermining the country including leaking black ops secrets. It's today you get worried about how foreigners view you.
Oga shift. Kemi is not your problem. Your politicians have damaged the country more than Kemi can ever do

She is a magnificent hypocrite though.

jesusjnr2020:
The Best Thing In Life Is Free

They say the best things in life are free.

They could actually be speaking about Jesus because Jesus is the best thing in life.

Yet you don't have to pay a dime to get Jesus.

All you need to do is to sincerely repent of your sins, ask Jesus to come into your heart, and follow His instructions.

Getting Jesus will be the best decision you ever made in your life.

God bless.

Nothing free about dedicating your life to a colonially imposed myth and worshipping your fellow man as God.
The best thing in life which is free is being born to a loving mother, or loving parents.

I laughed when I saw "one of the world's toughrest prisons." There can be no such thing in Finland. Its like saying there are African Lions in Sweden.

They dont know what a tough prison even looks like.

Kukutente23:
What?!!

Where did you get that from?

You mean you don't know? Its called a pleasure marriage, made just to validate sex as lawful. So we can just declare it by mouth, have sex, and dissolve it by mouth after sex, and no fornication has been committed. Its common in the middle-east.

Its called the Nikah Mut'ah'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah

Indeed you generally agree to pay the woman for the pleasure, so tell me how that is different from prostitution?

mutʿah, in Islamic law, a temporary marriage that is contracted for a limited or fixed period and involves the payment of money to the female partner. Mutʿah is referred to in the Qurʾān (Muslim scriptures) in these words:

And you are allowed to seek out wives with your wealth in decorous conduct, but not in fornication, but give them their reward for what you have enjoyed of them in keeping with your promise. (4:24)

https://www.britannica.com/topic/mutah

Aside from this, surely you know all a man has to do to divorce a woman in Islam is pronounce a word three times? Talaq Talaq Talaq, and thats it.

Kukutente23:
That's not what the phrase means. The phrase refers to the lamb killed in Genesis 3:21 whose skin was used to cloth Adam and Eve and thus cover their sin and shame. The phrase means the lamb was slain at the beginning of the foundation of the world. That's is also why a lamb is slain to redeem Isaac as well as a lamb used for peace offering in leviticus. So to claim the meeting took place before Jehoshaphat left Judah for Israel is a lie.
It is obvious that God had nothing to do with the lie other than allowing the spirit to use deceitful prophets

As you like.
I would not expect you to claim otherwise.

I cant stop shaking my head though.

"Who shall go and entice him?"

"I will go and lie to him"

"Go and you shall succeed."

"Therefore the Lord has put a lying spirit in their mouths."

And Yahweh's hand's are clean.

Human beings ehn.

As for the time and space one, that was always beyond your pay grade, dont worry about it.

Kukutente23:
What does the hadith prescribe for adultery

You guys embrace this ruling because it benefits you.

There's no hadith or quran supporting it. Only taqiyya.

Show us where hadith or quran says if you impregnate a woman, you have to marry her one month after she gives birth.

The hadith prescribes death by stoning for any woman who gets pregnant out of wedlock. Muhammad did it.

Fake Muslims

Dont disturb yourself on matters of Islam / fornication / adultery when they can proclaim and deproclaim marriage in two seconds.

Kukutente23:
You're introducing lies to your exegesis. Verse 19 clearly shows that it was when the kings were planning to go to Ramoth-Gilead that God asked for who will entice them to go to that war because God knew they will lose the war. So to claim you can't place the time the meeting held us pure rubbish. Jehoshaphat traveled from Judah to meet with Ahab BEFORE Ramoth-Gilead happened.
Again, what God asked for was who will encourage Ahab to go to war not who will go to lie. It was the lying spirit who came up with that idea as his own suggestion. Others had their own suggestion and his own method prevailed. So tell me how God initiated or authored the lie. The fact is Ahab loved lies more than truth which is why he banished Micaiah.
It is not about believing or not. Even if you believe in God, you still can't question what he does. Isaiah 45 says will the clay ask the Potter what he's doing with clay?

Maybe you still don't understand that a transcendental God can hold a meeting today over an event that will happen in one thousand years time. Do you remember a line like "the lamb of God which was slaughtered from the creation of the world?" What does that tell you about God and events in time and space? Anyway I expect this one to be beyond you, but it's really not of consequence.

What is of consequence is how you can see the bare words there and keep insisting that Yahweh had nothing to do with the lie that went forth. That's your cup of tea, I will not push it further. Res IPSA loquitur.

And lastly, I say again, I cannot judge God. It is impossible. How many times do I have to repeat that I simply don't believe Yahweh is GOD any more than I believe Zeus or Allah are God?

Look my friend, let me tell you something. God is that element, that transcendental and ineffable element which is the root of all reality, all existence and all dimensions. It is way way way way way beyond the petty nonsense described here.

Kukutente23:
No chicken or egg exists here. It is established from that chapter that Ahab does not like Micaiah and had banished him from his presence because he said things he did not like to hear. Go back and read the passage I quoted. Even the servant sent to fetch Micaiah warned him to follow the lies of the other 400 prophets which means even they knew that they were being lied to. Now, at the end, when Micaiah was forced to speak the truth, what happened? He was beaten up, jailed and Ahab still went ahead to follow the fake prophets. So do you still blame God for Ahab's decision to go along with the false prophets?

And God did not create the lie. It was the spirit that did that. But at least without doubt, those prophets were already liars before then for them to still be in Ahab's service.

You mean God can only destroy Ahab at Gilead? Or you mean God can't make them win at Gilead if he was on their side?

Unfortunately you can't be in a place to question God's morals except you've higher power or authority over him which you do not. He is the Ultimate Judge of all creatures and what he says is right us they becomes right. He is above the law and beyond it self. That's why he's supreme and sovereign and there's no questioning his authority or decisions. If he chooses to destroy all of his creation, there's no grounds for you to question him just as you can't question Ford Motors for recalling an SUV they produced from the market.

1. The Chicken and egg problem remains because Yahweh supposedly dwells above time and space. Anything he does in his transcendent realm cannot be limited to time. So you cannot even place the time of tht unholy and satanic meeting he held. It could be at the beginning of creation.

2. Note, I kept saying "commission" and "diseminate" a lie. Because that is what happened there. He authorised it. In fact he requested it, and when it was proposed, he approved it, and then commissioned it. The scripture then notes that it is the Lord that has done it, by saying "the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of your prophets." You can spin this how you like, but as for me, this is enough to stay away from any such dubious and two-faced deity.

3. Of course I cant question God. Perhaps you have forgotten the small fact that I simply dont believe Yahweh is God.

cococandy:
There’s no self made person in America.

There is no self made person in the world.

Anyone who wants to say the contrary should start by showing me how they gave birth to themselves. We start the discussion there.

Kukutente23:
Let's start from verse 4

If you follow through the bolded verses, you'll notice the following
1. Both Jehoshaphat, Ahab and the servant sent to fetch Micaiah sensed that something was wrong with the prophecy of the 400 prophets.
2. Micaiah decided to join the 400 prophets to lie but again, even Ahab knew he was lying
3. Ahab hated Micaiah because he speaks the truth. He preferred to hear lies which is why Micaiah was banished from his presence
4. Even after Micaiah told them the truth, they still turned against him
Thus, it is easy to see that the lying spirit came down because that was what the king and his 400 prophets longed for.
Whenever the word of God is rejected, God leaves men to their own devices and that's exactly what happened

I grant this is an interesting take, but -

1. Do you see the chicken and egg problem here? Namely - which came first - the lying spirit from Yahweh or the so called desire for lies of Ahab? Mind you, it is questionable that Ahab was looking for lies, for he asked - "how many times will I ask you to swear that you speak the truth?"

2. Even if one grants that these people were liars and wanted lies - is it not the day job of Lucifer to disseminate such to them? Why should the most high God - The LIVING LIGHT, The God of Truth, busy himself creating lies to "assist" their deceitful nature?

3. It is not true that he did it because they liked lies. He did it because he wanted to destroy Ahab at Ramoth-Gilead, for his general wickedness.

4. If this were the only instance its a different thing. Throughout the OT Yahweh is involved in all sorts of dark, indecorous, deceitful and murderous schemes which are fit only for one with the lowest of gutter morals.

Kukutente23:
Can you show from the passage where it is written that God authored the lie?
Go back and read the passage. Ahaz had repeatedly rejected God's message from the genuine prophet of God and his life was under threat. I'm not making excuses. I'm simply telling you what happened and how it happened. If you choose to follow what suits your bias

I can't be quoting it again, it I already did.

2Ch 18:19 and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab the king of Israel that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another.
2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?'
2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'
2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you.

Kukutente23:
No. God created man with freewill and man always suffer the consequences of his will especially when it conflicts with God's. That's what happened here

Well, Jesus said Yahweh is his father and he said he can't do anything unless what his father gives him

You are making excuses for Yahweh. How can wwe worship a god who sits in council to commission and authorise the preparation and disemination of lies? How is that god a god of "truth?" How is that god indeed, not the very father of lies?

It is preposterous to turn around and say absurd things such as he was only allowing man to do what man wanted to do, or its about freewill. The point is that a God of Truth should not be the author and commissioner of falsehood.

You can dance around on this point, but it is there in black and white - Yahweh is the author of lies, in addittion to his favorite pastime of mass murder (of children in particular).

Kukutente23:
So how does this equate to endorsing taqiyya.
Was the person narrating this passage not a prophet?
The passage shows God allowing people to hear what they want to hear when they reject his message.

This is rather you allowing yourself to see what you want to see. The thing is in black and white.

Besides, Jesus taught his disciples to let their yes be yes and their no, no. Have you read your bible to that part?

It is no secret that the noble teachings of Jesus are markedly different from the pagan mountain deity called Yahweh.

Kukutente23:
Is that why you practiced taqiyya on me by twisting the quran?

I thought it is forbidden to twist the quran in Islam

See how you just exposed yourself and your religion as a religion of lies and taqiyya

I've been hearing of taqiyya but never knew I could fall victim untill today

Why did you do this

Although in the business of encouraging lies, I cannot resist pointing out to you that Yahweh held a council in heaven where he commissioned the disemination of a lie to Ahab.

2Ch And Micai'ah said, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left;
2Ch 18:19 and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab the king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another.
2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?'
2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'
2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you."

Firebomber:
Anytime you see them quoting a verse and using a bracket to demarcate words, you should know that they are lieing, and asked them to point the word out from their Arabic version. It's the word of their cleric that is suiting there agenda for that time.

I cant emphasize how true this is. Those brackets are a red flag.

Lifestone:
You are deliberately avoiding my point of argument. Respect your laws untill it is repealed. You obey Dubai Law. obey Nigeria's laws simple. You want to behave the way you like yet complains that the country is not in order.
Nigerians don't like to obey laws.

Under Nigerian law, there is freedom of speech. As for those who feel defamed, there are processes to take. So whats the issue?

Mrtaye:
Is Dubai a democracy

I am worried the fella may be drunk.

Lifestone:
It's all relevant. You take and obey even more grievous laws outside, yet complains when even simpler laws are passed in Nigeria. Every society needed laws to run effectively.

Oh, so if an American visits Saudi Arabia and also China, he should accept their draconian laws in America right?
Are you sure you are okay?

How hard is it for you to understand that we are a free constitutional democracy and those countries are not?
According to you, once we visit them, we must throw way our own freedoms and rights abi?

Lifestone:
Same Country you all guys prostrate to get Visa, that your President have to go licked their ass for them to grant you Visa.

How is that relevant?

Lifestone:
What did she say about the Police? I have continued to argue that Nigerian should know their laws and avoid breaking the rules. A Nigerian videoed her unfair treatment at the Dubai airport and posted it unto the Twitter, she was arrested tried and sentenced to 3 months in Prison for writing and posting negative things online about UAE.
But this activists have known respect for their Law, yet they expect the Law to protect them. If you have to say or write, do that with provable facts

That is an Islamic totalitarian state.

Kukutente23:
That's one way to look at it. Another way is it shows that the Bible is actively being guarded against insertions and corruption. Any attempt to corrupt it is rebuffed strongly.
Unlike the quran that all other copies were burned after Uthman gave everyone his version so there's no way of knowing if there's anything there that shouldn't be, the septuagint, Masoteric Texts, Vulgates and even Dead Sea scrolls generally agree with the message in the Bible till today.

Fair comment.

Kukutente23:
That's one way to look at it. Another way is it shows that the Bible is actively being guarded against insertions and corruption. Any attempt to corrupt it is rebuffed strongly.
Unlike the quran that all other copies were burned after Uthman gave everyone his version so there's no way of knowing if there's anything there that shouldn't be, the septuagint, Masoteric Texts, Vulgates and even Dead Sea scrolls generally agree with the message in the Bible till today.

Fair comment.

Kukutente23:
The Johanine Comma does not disprove the existence of Trinity throughout the Bible and Quran.

It shows that a certain words were inserted in the KJV which have now been removed from ALL modern versions of the Bible - those words being the most explicit assertion of the doctrine of the Trinity in scripture ever. At the minimum, it proves there was a fraudulent attempt to insert the Trinity into scripture. And that alone is sufficient to demonstrate that one cannot subscribe to biblical innerancy.

Kukutente23:
No Sir. Ilah is a Canaanaite mispronounced word. The root word is Eloha which got mispronounced to Ilah by travellers. It is Baal the Canaanites used to refer to as Eloha which the Hebrews also adopted as they feared calling God's given name which is "Yahweh"
Ilah or Baal had a wife known as Ashterah. The two gods are identified in the Bible. Note that Allah who became the chosen name for the quraysh idol which is Muhammad's tribe also had a wife according to Quraysh tradition and three daughters just like the Canaanite god Baal.
Lastly, the idol of Allah in the quraysh tribe had same figurine as the idol Baal in Canaanland. The Father of Baal is El in the Cananite god as well which is where Ilah came from.

I didnt say similarity in ontology (which there is any way) what I was referring to was the history of the etymology. You know Jews and Arabs are both Semitic people who lived for millenia in the same neighbourhood and one would not imagine that there was no derivation of words from one tradition to the other over time. I hope you have not come to suggest that words cannot migrate as you once suggested that people did not migrate.

Kukutente23:
cc doffman abi na dumb man

How could Hebrews have named their God Allah when such word does not exist in Hebrew till today

It is like a Yoruba man saying the name of the Yoruba God Oduduwa worshipped is Dharma the Hindu name for God

I think there is some relationship from "Ilah" to some Hebrew terms though, to br fair.

Kukutente23:
This one too has come with his ignorance. So because the word Trinity does not exist in the Bible means the description of trinity is not correct? Can you show me the word "sujud" in your quran? If it is not there, why then do you do it five times everyday? Trinity is a concept drawn from the Bible just as the divine conception and virgin birth are drawn from the Bible. They are theological concept with sound basis from the Bible and I am showing you that they also exist in your quran

I think he is refering to the Johannine Comma, also known as the Comma Johanneum in 1 John 5:7-8.

Kukutente23:

Neither were Abraham, Moses, David or any prophets Muslims. You have to show from the quran where they said they are Muslims if you insist they were. You also have to show how all the nation of Israel left Islam to form Judaism after Jesus Christ. Islamic liars

None of them could have said the shahada as they lived before Muhammad, and the shahada involves declaring that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, ergo none of them could be mussulmen, case closed.

Atuero:
Senate can halt even Tinubu talk more of his mere appointee

Dont mind Paraman. He does not know the law and the process.

Paraman:
Lol

Oga, Wike does not answer to the lawmakers.

I am not saying they are his direct boss.
I am explaining to you the law of this country.

It is exactly what happens with cabinet members when they are summoned by Congress in the USA.
To say that the parliament cannot do anything simply means you dont know the law.

As I told you, right now, the NASS can pass a law banning demolitions.

You are too funny. There is too much they can do.
Like I said, its bribery and corruption that limits them, not the law.

Paraman:
The national assembly do not have power over Wike, they didn't appoint him.

Perhaps you dont know what the oversight function of parliament is.
Small time you will say a court doesnt have power over him since courts didnt appoint him.

You have to understand process.
Under the oversight function parliament can look into the activities of the executive at every level.

We simply have wimps as NASS. If you had a vigorous NASS, you will know what they can do.

Do you know what it is to have the power to make laws?

Do you know what it is to have the power to decide what and what every penny of every budget is spent on?

Tell me, those bulldozers he is sending about, do you understand that NASS has to approve even the petrol in them?

Do you understand that today today, a radical NASS can pass a law banning demolitions in the FCTA?

As NASS, You can do almost anything.

But bribery, division, ass licking, etc will not allow them.

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