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Kukutente23:
Lamenting indeed. You come across as tone deaf. The fact remains that Italy were on the wrong side in both wars. End of story. If anyone chooses to defend Italy and you think it si noble, then you should also consider it noble if anyone defends Osama Bin Laden or Alqaeda or Taliban afterall they are also representative of some sociopolitical ideologies

That said, you never proved anything on royal We's existence in Arabia before Muhammad. You were just rambling aimlessly as usual.

You need to rest

You're not making any sense

Pathetic.
How was Italy on the wrong side in WW1?

Kukutente23:
Is your brain filled with quicksand or muddy water? Where did I say Mussolini was leader of Italy in the first war? You need to go format your brain and get the right things in it. You have no point. You're just rambling aimlessly like a rabid dog.

REST!!

You're pretty cocky for one who was lamenting the tragedy and wickedness of Italy's invasion of Sweden less than 24 hours ago.
Olodo.

Now listen up -

PPS: The point was always simple: I was explaining to you how people stand up for their countries even in difficult situations. I was showing you that people with a sense of a certain nobility and solidarity do that. If that is beyond you, that is not my cup of tea.

As for the plurals of majesty, divinity and dignity, they have long existed way before you claimed, and I proved that to you already.

Kukutente23:
Look, I've had it with your tantrums and petulance like a disturbed child. Anyone can make a mistake and if you had any serious point you should have made it known instead of all the baseless and inchoate ramblings you've been making since.
You just goofed now by claiming Mussolini was not there in the first world war. Are you now going to accept that you also lack honour, integrity and humility for not realizing that Mussolini was among the few politicians in Italy who advocated for the participation of Italy in the war and even joined the Italian military.
There's nothing to be sorry for. I admitted I made a mistake and as far as I know it has caused you no injury so you either move along or bring the stupidity you're beginning to exhibit in full glare and let me help you cure it. You're the clown who claimed "We" in the quran is for royal We. I corrected you without any sanctimonious posturing.
If you're so immature to think making a mistake in facts of history call for depredation, then you need to have your head checked.

Pathetic. Enjoy.

PS: Mussolini was not leader of Italy during WW1. If you mean he was alive or fought in the war that's obviously a different thing and has no bearing on your claims of his deeds.

PPS: The point was always simple: I was explaining to you how people stand up for their countries even in difficult situations. I was showing you that people with a sense of a certain nobility and solidarity do that. If that is beyond you, that is not my cup of tea.

As for the plurals of majesty, divinity and dignity, they have long existed way before you claimed, and I proved that to you already.

You are shameless.

RoyalUc:
Sincerely, I don't understand this country called Nigeria.

A judge sentenced a 17 year old boy to death for stealing chicken and eggs?

Madness writ large.

There must be more to this.

Jayhome24:
Good move pls let them go they are useless to ECOWAS before so sending them out will change nothing. They want to become failure Putin Puppets to hell with them. I have been in Mali, Burkina before seriously they are dead countries.

If you haven't travelled through West Africa region you won't understand the blessing God bless Nigeria. I have been in every country in West Africa, I have lived in Gambia before so I know who the hell Mali and Burkina are nothing dey happen there infact as small as Gambia is wallahi Gamnia far better than Mali and Burkina shit.

Between Putin and France which is better?

sreamsense:
See how all the ipobs hijacked this thread; they are only happy when they see anything negative about Nigeria, buhari or Tinubu. Positive things about those things are like poison to them.

Today, police killed four of their terrorists ipob members and arrested another five, yet; they see nothing wrong in ipob terrorism. As hatred pushed kanu and ekpa into dungeon of life regret and caused self-injuries to them while buhari and Tinubu are enjoying themselves, so also these ipob supporters and sympathizers in this thread are being pushed to injure themselves gradually.

God bless Tinubu, good as ECOWAS allowed them to leave without firing a single shot. Those millitary leaders are selfish and will soon regret it

Rapist France was not selfish ba

Kukutente23:
I don't owe you anything. You misled me. I know Italy invaded some countries so when your story was that an Italian defended his country's role to a Swedish, I assumed Sweden must have been one of the countries invaded. I'm not an encyclopedia to have knowledge of everything. Italy invaded a good number of countries.




Italy fought against for its own interests in both wars. It does not matter whose side they were on or not. It had a pact with Germany before the war but broke the pact in a bid to fight for annexation of territories they wanted. I don't now how that is inconsistent ideology except you don't know what ideology means

1. You have no honour
2. You lack integrity
3. You lack humility
4. You read into text things neither said nor inferred.

Saying that a Swedish Colleague commented on Italy's role in the World Wars could never suggest to anyone that Italy invaded Sweden.

What is most irksome also is that even after I warned you that I didn't say that, you went and produced a quote which didn't say or infer that and insisted still.

The only thing that made you back down was when you realized that no such thing had happened in history and also that Sweden didn't even participate in the world wars.

"World Wars".... This was the phrase used. And yet you presumed that one was referring to Mussolini. Notwithstanding that he was not there in the first world war. You even went so far as to say that I was defending Mussolini. At the peak of your comic idiocy you even spoke about how tragic Italy's invasion of Sweden must have been!

You ought to be ashamed not just of all of this, but worse, of the fact that you are so stiff necked that you can't say, "ooops my bad - sorry I got that wrong." Being able to do that confers dignity. Insisting the way you are insisting discloses not just shallowness but striking stupidity.

Kukutente23:
Ok then
Italy did not invade Sweden

You owe me an apology.

But Italy was part of the axis of evil with Germany and others and it invaded so many countries and territories in both wars.
So what's your Swedish friend's problem with Italy then

They fought on the side of the Allies in WW1 and against them in WW2. Thus that they appeared inconsistent in ideology.

nolzautoz:
I’m 81

And active here? Impressive. I salute.

Kukutente23:
Maybe you should switch on your memory when you type

Kukutente23 are you well? I said she made comments about the frazzled role of Italy in the world wars. That is what you have highlighted. How does this equate saying that Italy invaded Sweden or that my Italian coleague defended Italy's invasion of Sweden?

As a matter of fact, not only has Italy never invaded Sweden, Sweden was not involved in either World War 1 or 2.

You must be high.
This just show you up terribly.

Kukutente23:
You claimed your Italian colleaggue defended Italy's invasion of Sweden. Go back and read. Seems you've missed your points

You know, I despise this kind of nonsense. Produce the quote where I said this or apologize.

nolzautoz:
I remember back in 1984 when I used to go out with my little boy, who was just ten years old at the time. He absolutely loved the experience of jumping onto the bus and enjoyed every moment of it. Now, he’s all grown up.
🤥

Going with this you must be at least 70.

Kukutente23:
She did not discuss Nigeria. You can go and check it. She is a born citizen of the UK not a migrant. That's where people keep missing it. She was born in the UK which gave her automatic citizenship

You are funny oh. You think I dont know that? Now how was she born there? Abi her parents (or their own parents) were also born citizens?
It oft surprises me how you needle on pedantic irrelevancies and miss clear and obvious points.

Italy's Mussolini was known for expansionist agenda which made him invade so many weak countries in Europe and annex them to Italy. I don't understand how anyone will be defending such acts.

Where did I tell you anyone defended such acts. Please tell me where. I am really curious.

Today, you are glorifying Musolini's Italy. Are you sure you're not confused?

Where did I glorify Mussolini's Italy? Are you on cheap drugs?

Pretorial:
Can’t wait to see how DT handles this

Are you one of those expecting him to end the conflict on day one as he promised?

Kukutente23:
You'll struggle to read cause it doesn't sit with your bias
A German defending Germany to a Jew for killing about 6m of his ancestors to have a tough job not being labelled antisemitic. While it is true that you can't hold Germans of today responsible for the actions of Nazis, it is still unacceptable to defend such actions of mass murder of people whose only offence was refusing to join in a war.

I dont see how your analogy works with our root discussion. Also you have read assumptions into the dinner conversation I mentioned. My boss was referring to the fact that Italy did not appear to be consistent in ideology from the first to second world war. So your jumping to Nazi genocide and presuming anyone was defending Mussolini is what made it had for me to read.

Back to Kemi, she was not talking about Nigeria until Abike went and chook mouth in her matter and still brought it to public space. All she was doing was talking about immigration issues in the UK until Abike went and did notice me
She should have been left alone. I don't even understand what the function of that Abike's agency is.

It is not true that she didnt discuss Nigeria until then. As I have told you, she once campaigned with promises to end the negative labelling of Nigeria only to lead the charge in such negative labelling when it suited her. Another point is the immigration thing: a person who is a beneficiary of liberaL immigration policies seeks to constrict them. Of course you who see nothing wrong with St. Donald of Florida doing same will never see the hypocrisy in that.

Kukutente23:
Lol
=DeepSight

Seems kemi us causing our politicians sleepless nights

There have been countless circulars like this in the past. Nothing to do with the demented bitch.

Kukutente23:
You Italian colleague who defended Italy must be a poor student of history. Tell him to go read up on mussolini and his invasion of states like Sweden. Your claim is just like saying a German defended the Nazi holocaust to a Jew or a Polish guy. How does that even make sense to defend the murder of 6m people. I recall now. Akpabio when he was governor won an award for his "uncommon performance" in 2013 or so. In the speech he gave during the ceremony, with Jonathan present, he lamented how the history of the suffering of his people during the civil war has been diminished. He insisted he had a troubled childhood due to the horrors visited on his clan by the Nigerian side and claimed there was need for some reparations or closure for victims of that war whom he said littered the old eastern region.
Most people have forgotten that Akpabio was minority leader in 2015 before he resigned and jumped to APC obviously to escape prosecution for 108bn fraud. This is why I said lived experience matters. Your colleague does not have a lived experience of the Mussolini era which is why he's defending what he did not experience. If he had, his posture will certainly be different. Same holds in this case. Be it Anthony Joshua or Rishi Sunak, both do not have an experience of what it was like to live in their ancestral countries like Kemi does. So, someone like her could be justifiably pissed when those who preside at the helm of the destruction of her ancestral country start courting her for the singular purpose of image laundering and notice-me.
Don't blame her if she spawns them

I struggled to read beyond the first line. The point has been so mangled, so totally lost, it strained my eyes and mind.

PS: A patriotic German of the time could defend Germany without defending Hitler, and with more than 40 attempts on his life, one cannot claim all Germans supported Hitler.

PPS: Millions of us who have far deeper and more traumatic lived experience of Nigeria than Kemi has, still understand the subtler, superior point which will not permit us to demarket our country in such a vile, mercenary and opportunistic manner. And there are millions of proud people all over the global south and in developning countries like Nigeria who also understrand that. One is either noble or posessed of the natural spirit of Judas.

Kukutente23:
While that of Anthony Joshua projecting his Nigerian heritage is good and commendable, it does not make Kemi's posture invalid. Everyone cannot view issues of nation hood from the same angle but the important thing is how true the position taken is.

It is my turn to call you naive now. What has been the import of Anthony's positive characterization of Nigeria? Has it made our political leaders to be better leaders or cured any of our systemic issues?

Most of those who are angry with Kemi are angry that she's giving ammunition to the opposition they hope to isolate and pulverise not that they really care for the country's image.

These are same people who hailed Buhari when he called Nigerian youths lazy in London and described Nigerians as 97 and 5% in Germany. They supported all those de-marketing coming from Nigeria's leader on the international stage.

Recently Remi said Nigerians go abroad to do jobs they refuse to do at home. Did you see any of these people call her out for denigrating the hustle of Nigerian immigrants and the conditions that push them out?

You think if Kemi had given regard to Tinubu or Dabiri the hyenas will be on her back now? Pls, don't buy that BS

This is becoming like trying to explain the meaning of a human concept to a non human, as I have said there is a core principle at play which so completely eludes you it is impossible to discuss. It would be like desbribing color to the blind or music to the deaf.

I am tempted to try, but with my little knowledge of you, it will be pointless, especially when the core principle is so subtle, so nuanced. . . you will keep on, like the masses simply repeatiing: is it true or not?

My mind just flashed back to a dinner I once had with my then Swedish boss and Italian colleague in Jo'butg many years ago. My Swedish boss made a few absolutely true comments about the frazzled role of Italy in the World Wars. Those comments were true. Some one like you will never, never, never, never in a billion years understand how passionately and robustly my Italian Colleague defended Italy and how emotive it was for him. You will never see the nuance or the sensitivity. You will end the discussion at whether the comments were true or not.

What is at play is a notion beyond the basic or mundane, were you are stuck.

Kukutente23:
The level of poverty and corruption in India is beancake compared to Nigeria

You seem to forget easily that Nigeria took over the trophy for poverty capital of the world from India even though they have like 5 times our population

Again, it is no coincidence that most Nigerian indigenous firms employ Indians to their top management and executive positions while India does not return the favour. That should tell you all you need to know about corruption and Nigeria

Besides, her grouse is basically with the situation of Nigeria. Are you happy with the situation of Nigeria? Even Remi Tinubu knocked Nigerians who go to Uzk to work as caregivers and taxi drivers recently. I didn't see her demeaning speech draw any ire from any quarters.

When you keep repeating the bold, it shows me there is a core principle at play here that completely eludes you. No matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBAFaJvYugQ

Kukutente23:
In my opinion, people abroad actually highlight how terrible the countries they left behind are
I have a lot of folks abroad and some are from my place of work and they are usually quick to remind you how far better they are in the countries they migrated to and how Nigeria is a hopeless case. Those who are actively seeking to leave are also usually telling you how leaving Nigeria is the best thing anyone can do at this time. Do you think if they eventually migrate they will start to speak positively about Nigeria? Was it not a Nigerian who casted the migration through study format to the BBC? C'mon! Most Nigerians abroad do not regard Nigeria in positive light and that's common knowledge

If Cameron and his fantastically corrupt speech did not set up any diplomatic quagmire, I wonder how someone sharing her lived experience will lead to diplomatic impasse, Moreso it is Nigerian officials that went about courting her unnecessarily as if she were some prize to be paraded. I think it was the busybody that courted her in the person of Abike that should be cautioned. I don't see how a British nationality of Nigerian descent becoming Opposition leader is something that should trigger a childish notice-me from Nigerian officials.

That said, as I reiterated, Rishi never lived in India. So he does not have any lived experience to share good or bad. I understand your anger with her for turning from wanting to project Nigeria positively to putting down Nigeria but I am telling you there is a context to it. Nigerians in the UK flatly rejected that attempt when she made it. Why should she continue on something that is clearly not working?

Rishi and the whole world are well informed of the level of poverty and corruption in India, lived or not.

Point is, at that level, lived or not, he would know better than to talk down India.

Anyways. No matter.

Kukutente23:
Anyone who wants to bash any country where they had such horrendous experience should be allowed to

I'm sure you are one of the supporters of the BLM gang and you also supported the George Floyd "I can't breath" chants

But here Kemi is not allowed to ventilate her experiences because she didn't die at the hands of the police right?

This is so simplistic its painful. You make it sound as though she is saying something new or unknown. The challenges of developing nations are well known. Piggy-backing on those challenges to insult your country and thereby attempt to feel superior is shallow and creepy. Especially if you have hitherto decried the negative labelling of Nigeria and promised to change that. Only to suddenly lead the charge of that negative labelling when politically convenient for you.

In your school of thought, the best that the peoples of the developing world can do abroad is highlight just how terrible their countries are.

You have no idea how stupid, shallow and shortsighted that is. And this is completely aside from the fact that you have not even stopped to consider what sort of diplomatic quagmire she is setting up with Nigeria should she become prime-minister.

The woman makes me want to puke. Literarily.

Up Rishi Sunak abeg. Better person.

1Hover1:
Funny thing... Shettima didn't say she should drop Kemi from her name.

Watch the video again.
He said (paraphrased)
"We are proud of her and her achievements.... She denigrates Nigeria..
and even if she likes, she can remove the Kemi in her name... It doesn't stop Nigeria from being the greatest black nation on earth"

At no point did he say kemi should drop the Kemi from her name.

Excatly! Thank you!

Kukutente23:
Somehow I suspected it was her unsuccessful run in 2010 you were hanging on to say she's a hypocrite

Are you aware it was same Nigerians in the UK that denounced her efforts to run and woo them based on her Nigerian background? Read the comments in this blog. https://www.naijablog.co.uk/2010/04/kemi-adegoke-for-parliament.html

They told her she had no right to expect their support simply because she's Nigerian and called her attitude "patronzing", one of the ills they claimed they ran from in Nigeria

So I am not naive nor simplistic. I understand where she is coming from . Nigerians cannot pick and choose when to be courted or supported.

The whole idea that she's doing all this because she's courting the white establishment in her party is bunkum. In case you don't know, her father was an activist who supports Igboho and the separationist agenda and thinks Nigeria as presently constituted is a fraud. Same with her brother. Her father even ridiculed the idea of Tinubu becoming President as a Yoruba agenda in an interview as far back as 2021

https://www.opinionnigeria.com/kemi-badenoch-shettima-as-flutist-with-gege-on-his-neck-by-festus-adedayo/

Well, your opinion which I think is naive and simplistic. However this subject is not sufficiently interesting to me to be worth our while.

PS: What Developing Country doesnt have the issues she is bashing Nigeria for?

Anyways. Like I said, not an interesting subject.

APC Social Media Junior Aide on the beat.

Kukutente23:
Better

I don't know the basis for the unwarranted attacks on Kemi for sharing her lived experience about Nigeria

Do you expect her to lie just please you people and your thieving politicians?

Is there anything she's saying that most Nigerians in UK don't agree with? If they disagree with her, they should hop on the next flight and come live in Nigeria

Most Nigerians in diaspora left Nigeria because they were disillusioned with life here.

So to attempt to paint thorns like roses is crass hypocrisy

There is no secret about the reasons for migration to more developed and prosperous countries the world over. What hypocrisy is, is actually campaigning in front of Nigerians in the UK just a few years back saying you will fight against the negative labelling of Nigeria and then flipping that script once you have a chance at party leadership. That is not just hypocrisy, it is the worst kind of mercenary and despicable behaviour.

https://punchng.com/how-kemi-badenoch-used-nigerian-roots-to-become-british-mp/

As I said, I am surprised at how simplistic and naive you are on this matter.

Kukutente23:
Better

I don't know the basis for the unwarranted attacks on Kemi for sharing her lived experience about Nigeria

Do you expect her to lie just please you people and your thieving politicians?

Is there anything she's saying that most Nigerians in UK don't agree with? If they disagree with her, they should hop on the next flight and come live in Nigeria

Most Nigerians in diaspora left Nigeria because they were disillusioned with life here.

So to attempt to paint thorns like roses is crass hypocrisy

There is no secret about the reasons for migration to more developed and prosperous countries the world over. What hypocrisy is, is actually campaigning in front of Nigerians in the UK just a few years back saying you will fight against the negative labelling of Nigeria and then flipping that script once you have a chance at party leadership. That is not just hypocrisy, it is the worst kind of mercenary and despicable behaviour.

As I said, I am surprised at how simplistic and naive you are on this matter.

Kukutente23:
Look, I don't support Kemi but what I don't understand is the comparison with Rishi
Rishi never lived for a day in India
He does not have any experience of growing up in India and what the place is really like. He's just like David Alaba to Nigeria or John Fashanu. They have no lived experience of Nigeria.
Kemi has experience of Nigeria and it's that experience she's sharing. What a lot of Nigerians are doing is trying to shut her up from sharing her experience and expect her to conform by just smiling and giving the normal soundbites so our politicians especially can sleep well.
When she mentioned how the north is boko haram, what struck me was that she was responding to the VP then and he was the governor of the state when boko haram carried out its most audacious and ground breaking operations on Chibok. That shows you how much on ground she is with the experience of Nigeria because, in truth, this man played a lot of politics with chibok. He took almost no responsibility. It was the president then who took the flak for everything.
So while we may not be comfortable with what she's saying, we have to acknowledge that it's her experience she's talking about and except she's lying, we can't tell her to not share her life experiences and the lessons learned.
Besides, is Nigeria of today better in terms of socioeconomic indices than those times?

I am just amazed you don't recognize the political imperatives pushing her and the stupendous hypocrisy behind it. So much so that you think there is something noble driving her. You are naive here my friend.

Kukutente23:
Can you seriously compare India to Nigeria in terms of national progress?
Your president even went to India to "beg for investments"
That same country was catching up with Nigeria in the 70s and 80s
Today, it's closer to being a world power while Nigeria is retrogressing under this clueless APC

THERE IS STILL TONS AND LOADS OF POVERTY AND BS AND CORRUPTION IN INDIA THATS THE POINT/.
IF RISHI WAS SO INCLINED THERE REMAIN A BILLION THINGS TO CRITICIZE ABOUT INDIA.
JUST ITS NOT A MERE QUESTION OF CRITICISM, CRITICISM IS ALRIGHT TO AN EXTENT, ITS A QUESTION OF A CERTAIN SURLY AND BITTER DETERMINATION TO SHOW THE WHITEMAN HOW WHITE YOU ARE BY DENOUNCING YOUR COUNTRY, SO THEY DONT DOUBT YOUR LOYALTY.
THE BITCH IS JUST A SHALLOW THOUGHTLESS SOCIAL CLIMBER WHO CAN INSULT HER FAMILY TO PLEASE HER BOSS.

wirinet:
You know I am not a fan of Trump, but I must admit or rather surrender that he is a genius. He just like powerful rulers of the past understand power and how to acquire it. He seems more sane than you and I. He is able go against all established norms and succeed against all odds.

That may be your opinion, which I dont share. Many in history have recognised and weaponised hate and succeeded and for me, that does not make them geniuses.

wirinet:
I don't think religion had actually played any ŕole in British politics since the adoption of constitutional monarchy as a form of government. Religion plays a part in the monarchy but not in the Parliament.

Lol. This is too untrue to even start discussing.

But it will be useful to know when you think constitutional mornachy began.

Omoawoke:
The biggest of all fools is one that worship the god of his oppressors.
Shame to Allah, Jesus and god of Israel combined together

GBAM!

wirinet:
How has the wise that says "There is a God" helped Africa?

Europe said so all the way into their development.