₦airaland Forum

Kukutente23:
What is uneasy about declaring an end to subsidy and leaving the ordinary citizens to suffer the consequences

While you pay for a presidential Yacht. Buy new SUVs for the entire national assembly and give them circa 200 million each as "palliatives." While you spend over 500k USD on a hotel in New York and N90 Billion on Hajj subsidies. I can go on and on.

Whats hard about all these, all it takes is a heart made of stone.

StOla:
How is it government business if private individuals and corporations avail themselves of the law that allows them to challenge those who make libelous accusations?

You want the government to intervene and side with the private individuals or side with those who have made unsubstantiated claims that are injurious to others?

Many of the recent instances have been instigated by government OR people in government.

Please recall someone was arrested for calling Aisha Buhari fat. It gets that bad.
Senator Ned Nwoko also had Sowore arressted for saying he has mosquitoes in his house.

It gets that bad and that silly.

Firstcitizen:
Courts do not enforce laws. The law enforcement agencies like Police do. They have done their bit and arrested her.

You’re such a daft twit

My dear, you have very limited understanding of law. An arrest is only the beginning of a process. It ends with a conviction by a court. In fact thats not really the end. It goes on to actual imprisonment or other penalties and possible appeals.

The reason you have criminal cases prosecuted by a Commissioner of Police in many instances is because that is part of law enforcement.

Capital olodo.

Firstcitizen:
Only imbec!les with multiple handles decide which law is enforceable or not. Law is law. Ode! you don't cherry pick. Break them and do the time. Sunken pea size brain assheads do not understand this.

In this case, it has been enforced. Now go kill yourself

1. Nothing has been enforced, the case is ongoing.

2. Go and check the history of wirinet and I and laugh at yourself. We have both been here before you were born and have our very clear differences.

And finally - Your Jurisprudence remains poor.

wirinet:
I laugh in mandarin. This section of the the law is so ambitious its unenforceable. It can only be employed to witch hunt the poor, vulnerable and helpless.
What dies "anyone who defames" means? Is this statement;


Defamatory?

What about this one?;


If we compile all the defamatory published statements by firstcitizen on this site, he will face more than a century in jail.

It's akin to the bigamy Law under Section 370 of the Penal Code I attached below. It is unenforceable. Dispute millions of Nigerians having second, third or even fourth wife, nobody has been jailed because of bigamy.

The Penal Code was made during the colonial era to serve the interests of the colonialists, has become obsolete and irrelevant.
If our legislature are actually interested in doing their jobs instead of pursuing constituency projects and allowances, they should have repealed and replace most of the Penal Code.

In addition, I just learnt that the Penal Code only applies in Northern Nigeria, the law that applies in southern Nigeria is the criminal code. Both laws are said to be different.

Thank you very much. I told him his jurisprudence is weak, and he thought I was having a laugh. I was perfectly serious. I also mentioned the bigamy thing up there.

Jurispurudence is the philosophy behind law.

Firstcitizen:
Chai!

On a serious note. There are certain things that are anomalies within our legislation. And that's why I said your jurisprudence is weak. Don't be "chai-ing" there. Stop and dwell on what I am saying.

Globally and within our inherited common law system, libel and slander are recognized as civil wrongs, torts for which one sues. To criminalize them is to bastardize the law of torts. One may as well begin to criminalize other torts such as misinformation which traumatizes someone.

There are also laws in our books which are dormant. An example is the law against bigamy, which, being against our polygamous cultures, lies dormant and unused.

Therefore only a jurisprudentially weak lawyer will conclude that the criminalization of libel and slander is not anomalous. This is more so as there are delicate aspects of determination involved, such as what the accused believed to be true (a subjective thing) matters of opinion, etc.

I repeat, your jurisprudence is weak.

Firstcitizen:
What an imbec!le. Speaking from 2 sides of his buccal cavity after being educated

Your jurisprudence is weak.

Firstcitizen:
Your whole life is a monument to stupidity.
[b]"Criminal Punishments for Defamation

Under Section 392 of the Penal Code Law, any person who defames another shall be punished with imprisonment for a term that may extend to two years, or with a fine, or with both. The Penal Code Law further extends the punishment of any person who prints or engraves a matter knowing it to be defamatory with imprisonment for a term that may extend to ten years, a fine or both, while the sale of printed or engraved material containing defamatory matter is punished with imprisonment for a term that may extend to five years, with a fine, or both.

By the provisions of Section 375 of the Criminal Code Act, any person who publishes any defamatory matter is guilty of a misdemeanor and is liable to imprisonment for one year; and any person who publishes any defamatory matter knowing it to be false, is liable to imprisonment for two years. A defendant who publishes a defamatory matter with the intent to extort is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment for seven years."[/b]

All of these are anomalies.
These things remain civil wrongs as fundamentally conceived in our legal system.

One day these anomalous provisions will be set aside.

Olodo.

Firstcitizen:
Imbec!le. Let me educate you if you have the capacity.

Criminal libel
"Libel that constitutes a crime (as because it was published maliciously) and is subject to criminal penalties"

This is not a crime under the Nigerian Legal System.

Olodo.

Firstcitizen:
You don't derserve to live in any society, wther free or otherwise

"When the intentions behind someone's speech and how they express their opinions or share about their experiences are clearly meant to harm and break others down and the methods they employ to do so are in line with such intentions, it is an abuse of free speech and must be held accountable."

And that's what libel and slander laws are for: they are civil wrongs - torts.
If you dont know what a tort is, you have the internet to help you.
Olodo.

Nzogbu2012:
Yorubaland is great.... sons of Zik know this....and they are patiently waiting for the ignorant generation they will deceive to politically capture the ancestral home our legendary ancestors preserved for us.... from the days of Obatala to the days of the sage...

The greatest Igbo leader of all times who united them for the first time in history politically was Zik... He was so obsessed about our affairs and dreamed of Yorubaland as the launching base for Igbo expansionism that he wanted leadership there rather than build his political base at home.... He was blocked in 1951... stayed back and fought for 4 years to have political relevance in Yorubaland.... when Awolowo had enough of him, he chased him out in disgrace...

It was after Zik was disgraced from Yorubaland than he decided to go back home to rule his people.... He did not however relent with his obsession.... Yoruba people gave him a reality check and his people demoted him from the illusions of 'Zik of Africa' to 'Owelle of Onitsha'... rather than respect this and stay in his lane, he teamed up with the North to manipulate
was after Zik was disgraced from Yorubaland than he decided to go back home to rule his people.... He did not however relent with his obsession.... Yoruba people gave him a reality check and his people demoted him from the illusions of 'Zik of Africa' to 'Owelle of Onitsha'... rather than respect this and stay in his lane, he teamed up with the North to manipulate them with use to federal might to wrestle for Yorubaland.... breaking Midwest from western region... inciting political heavy weights like Remi Fani Kayode against the chosen leader of Yoruba people... He recklessness eventually misguided his people against all factions of Nigeria like it did in Southern Cameroons and his actions caused the tensions that caused a civil war

Ojukwu had tensions with the North.... Yoruba people stayed neutral in the wahala of Arewa and his mistress in the first republic.... then he launched an invasion into Yorubaland and ended in disgrace.... Yoruba people like Black Scorpion invaded Biafra and chased the warlord to Ivory coast like a coward dressed like an ashewo as he took the last flight from Biafra to Ivory Coast.
GEJ started a comission to look into a new constitution and true federalism... sons of Zik came to the conference agitating for a depoliticization of Yorubaland and declaration of Lagos as a neutral state.. GEJ and his advisers ended in disgrace and sons of Zik today are far removed from politcs.

Obidient malaria fever emerged after a few Yoruba youths were decieved... they turned it into a reincarnation of Zikisim as they shamelessly attempted a political capture of Lagos and Yorubaland... They ended in disgrace

In a thousand years.... a people who walked around naked while my ancestors built civilizations will never become overlords of sons of 'karo ojire'

As we wait for the Sage of our time.... we will not relent in preserving our lands for his leadership.

Yoruba youths, turn your back to Obidient movement and all schemes from the East... we are not one with them.... we have different histories, Language, culture and ancestors.... one from among you is the chosen to take the baton of your
and ancestors.... one from among you is the chosen to take the baton of your ancestors... when you embrace you calling and duties... we will give you all the support you need.... always remember.... Awolowo was 28 when he started his journey...

The sage did not become the hero he is today in Yorubaland by embracing Zikisim.... you will never end up heroes by joining a propaganda Obidense movement. the fate of your land lies with your homegrown leadership.

What psychiatric hospital did u escape from.

Themanleshey:
You are a liar ! A big one at that .

You want to compare the Nigeria of today to the 90’s or 80’s.

Common stop that !

Seriously, how has it improved. I suspect you may be being deceived by the natural developments that occur globally (the advent of the internet, mobile phones, social media, improved electronic devices etc).

Beyond these which are global developments how has Nigeria as a country improved please.

The only other improvement rests in the inherent fact of living in a democracy and the freedoms and rights that come with that.

But do you have better electricity?
Water?
Roads?
Security?
Education?
Health Care?

StOla:
What is unprogressive about a government that has allowed anyone, including yourself, to vent their frustration without any reprisal or consequences?

This is not true. There has been a spike in people being arrested for their comments online and also a worrisome trend of journalists being picked up for their articles.

Maobichek:
You didn't follow this from the beginning, criticizing Erisco tomatoes is one thing but mentioning Gino as a better product in her criticism is why it's not viewed as criticism.

She has every right to criticize but projecting another product which serve the same purpose is evil and a crime in the business world. Nigeria is a capitalist state where competition thrives but there are rules.

As i said before, she is wrong and no amount of emotion/sentiment will change that. Criticize but don't bring another product as being better while you criticize; this is bringing one down at the expense of another.

MTN and GLO are network providers, MTN can project herself as being better ( i.e MTN and others) but MTN dear not come to the public and say "that MTN is better than GLO." If such happen, GLO will sue MTN and claim whatsoever amount they want, thank you.

You are simply ignorant of what a crime is. There is no crime even with juxtapoxing a different product.

wirinet:
You Erisco defenders are contradicting yourselves. In one breath you say Chioma Okoli's post on Facebook was so bad that it ruined the reputation of Erisco's tomato paste and the company, so she needs to be punished. In the same breath you now say more than 60% of Nigerians don't live their lives on social media hence many didn't know about case. So if Erisco feels that many Nigerians are not bothered with social media, why expend so much energy and capital pursuing a harmless Facebook post?

You said Erisco has not suffered losses to the extent I elaborated, but the company itself contradicted your claims.

Wahallahi if he had ignored it, almost no one would have heard of it and it would have been absolutely nothing.

nony43:
Oga that was a slander.

How many times does it have to be said before you people absorb it.

Now repeat after me 1000 times:

"Libel and slander are civil offences and not crimes."

Botragelad:
How deeply criminal is it to fire directly from civilian population and use them as shields?

They are using schools as shields.
We bomb all the schools with the children there. ]

They are using hospitals as bases.
We bomb all the hospitals with the staff and patients there.

They are using the UN Centre as a base.
We bomb the UN offices.

They are using aid organizations as shields.
We bomb the aid organizations.

They are using media as shields.
We bomb the journalists.

Ride on baba. It is well with you.

pek:
and libel is not a crime?

No sir it is a civil wrong. A tort.

Firstcitizen:
Serves her right.

muniralmaigida:
Sorry to say this, but Chioma Egodi is a dark soul, if anything was wrong with the product, she should have gone to NAFDAC, or any regulatory agency, she seems feet to address the concerns. Going to Facebook was to destroy and malign Erisco products. Do you know the billions spent in there, initially they asked her to apologize she refused (because of a VERY VERY DARK HEART & PULL HIM DOWN SYNDROME) . If I was Erisco , I will pull string behind. Since she refused to back her claims. SOME HUMANS HER DEMONS.

nony43:
Where should she be? Has she proven that the tomatoe paste killed people? You don’t know you can go to jail over a fake review?

You people dont deserve to live in a free society. You simply dont understand the concept of freedom of speech, freedom of thought and conscience.

Minus one hundred

pappilo:
Making a false claim that someone's product is killing people is not freedom of speech. It is a crime!

It may be libel, but certainly not a crime.

Maobichek:
What she did is entirely different from"freedom of speech" that you talked about.

She formally agreed to apologize but declined and dare Erisco to go to court. Both NAFDAC and SON confirmed that Erisco tomatoes is good and edible. Who will defend her now?

Criticizing a product is not a crime. Nowhere in the world. And her first agreement to apologize was under severe durress.

CaptainGo:
Freedom of speech yeah! Go and make a false allegation against somebody, and you would eat watery beans in prison.

E say na freedom of thought and conscience

Don't worry, a people get the leadership they deserve. I sha hope you pray and fast every day for a return to military rule.

Botragelad:
The accusation that Israel is killing civilians is a gross distortion. As Kobojunkie aptly put it, is there a magical weapon that can discern between terrorists and non-combatants when they're huddled together? The same Rafah where hostages' bodies were discovered, a conversation we're not yet ready to have.

If you cannot see how deeply criminal it is to direct an entire population to a safe haven, and then corner them there with no means of exit and bomb them, then you are a lost soul.

Judolisco:
bros build a pure water company and let someone comment dat your water is killing people and see how your sales will decline

No one says its pleasant. But should the reaction be jail for that person in a society where there is supposed to be freedom of speech, thought and conscience?

Mind you, there is the option of suing that person for damages.

wirinet:
Abuse of judiciary. Rich and powerful people using the courts (corrupt judges for that matter) to oppress ordinary masses. This should have been at worst a civil offence. When someone publishes false statement about a person or product, that is termed libel and its a civil offence. How it escalated into a criminal offence whereby someone was held in prison without bail for over 6 months is gross abuse of the judicial system. It can only happen in Nigeria.

Its beyond sickening.

Maobichek:
Good morning, having data doesn't give anyone the privilege to destroy another person. Apologize, she refused and now see where she is. If she was right, why would her 2 accomplice be at large?

Most comments here in Nairaland deserve this treatment; we must verify our opinion before coming to the public, thank you.

You people dont deserve to live in a free society. You simply dont understand the concept of freedom of speech, freedom of thought and conscience.

nairalanda1:
10 steps to letting go of resentment

Approach resentment as the addictive state of mind it is.
Realize that you are using resentment to replicate old dramas and acknowledge that you cannot change the past.
Examine how your resentment may come from mentally confusing people in your present life with people from your past.
Acknowledge that you cannot control those who have rejected you.
Recognize that your resentment gives you only illusions of strength. Instead, highlight and validate your real strength and power.
Learn to identify signals that provoke resentment. Apply the acronym HALT, widely used in 12-step programs: Hungry, Angry, Lonely, and Tired.
Practice cognitive behavioral techniques to stop indulging in resentment. Put a thought between your feelings of resentment and indulging in ruminating about them.
Acknowledge your part in allowing the abuse to occur, forgive yourself for that, and make a decision to not let it occur again.
Declare an amnesty with the person you resent and with yourself.
Forgive when you can, and practice willful and deliberate forgetfulness when you cannot, keeping in mind that these acts are gifts to yourself rather than capitulation to the people you resent

Good night Dr. Phill, I say good night.

cococandy:
Soulless cretins

God bless you jaare.

MajorOvakporaye:
All foolish idiotic terrorists must die!!! If you don't like it, take up arms and go and fight Israel.

Capital ignorance and enslavement.

nairalanda1:
You should not let your resentment drive you.

Because you and I disagree, you are busy here calling me the Devil himself....for having an opinion

When that happens, it means you have let a simple difference in opinions drive you to hate me.

It need'nt be that way.

Calling someone a simpleton is a manifestation of the hate and anger in you. Let it go. It will do you good. I did not say...agree with me always. That's impractical and riddiculous.

Good evening!

Now vamoose!

nairalanda1:
See, you are allowing your resentment talk there, plus I ain't your child or your responsibiloity, as you did not give birth to me. I think I am an adult

You should not let your resentment at being corrected by adults in the past drive you.



CLown and insensitve

Words spoken by someone who has been driven down to hate and resentment...

As I said, subsides have driven us to debt and problems for our economy. If it worked, we would be prosperous. That it is not working shows that your theory is wrong.

PLus what about the deahts caused by lack of jobs and investment and economic growth, brought about by subsides, subsidies, subsidies.

Subsides have prevented growth in our power sector, which has led to millions of deaths, directly and indirectly. You are that insenstive that you want to continue with something that has caused tears.

Anyway, give up your resentment, and stop letting your bitterness towards others for correcting you over the years lead you to project your angry feelings on me. I am not them.

Its both worthless and meaningless engaging you. You are an enslaved simpleton who is not capable of rational independent thought.
I bid you good evening.