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Konkoja:
I honestly hate pointless chat which this has turned to.
So, @Deepsight, if you don gerit, forget about it.

Konkoja:
It's not my link Mr Deepsight, I only pointed you to formal resource on topic of discussion. And, all you picked out the the report is escapism and laziness? I am convinced you can do better.

You are yet to show me proof of what is wrong with previous election processes as a means to justify changes.

raumdeuter:
The fact that one side takes it very serious and the other doesnt. Is that really a point?

Everything in life some people will take it serious more than others should we now lower the requirement for those who dont?

When you were in school some students wanted to die for exams and some just took it like play. So should we lower the standard to say get just 5% to pass so they can be carried along

Nations cup going on now, Some countries traditionally take it serious and some not as much, Should we also lower the standard just to accommodate those who don't take it serious?

If you dont care that much to wait in line to get any of the 7 ID's, then why would you wait in line to vote?

raumdeuter:
If the South is not motivated to collect PVC like the north should they allow Southerners to vote without PVC?

If you cannot get voter ID, then get Drivers license or Passport or State ID or handgun license. It would be ridiculous to say you cannot get one of 7 options needed to vote

Get drivers license No I cannot
Get Passports No I cannot
Get State ID No I cannot
Get Handgun license No I cannot
Get Voter ID no I cannot
Get personal ID no I cannot

So what do you want? I just want to vote in an election coordinated by govt without any form of govt issued photo ID

raumdeuter:
Just for clarity any form of ID below is acceptable to vote in the state of Texas it doesnt have to be Voter ID alone

Anything will do from Drivers license, to State ID for those who dont drive, to handgun license to Intl Passport to Military passport, to Citizenship certificate showing your face

jamesid29:
Ok sir... Basically pastorAi's assertion was that the word wayyizbaḥ in 2 Kings 23:20 was exclusively used & translated as "To sacrifice" in every other place in English translations of the Hebrew Bible except in this particular instance with the story of Josiah & the priests.
Translators chose to use "To slaughter" in an effort to deceive(his words) us.

On its own, this is a misunderstanding of how modern (non secterian/ individualistic) translations work.

But more importantly, for the purpose of our conversation, his assertion was a bit incorrect.
2 Kings 23:20 is not the only place wayyizbaḥ is not translated as "To sacrifice".

Hope that helped sir

Kokobilo87:
But that isa tha work of tha politicians to ah motivate ah people to ah vote.

That isa not ah point against ah ID. Isa just ah stupid excuse

Kokobilo87:
What isa tha point? No ah point

Ibime:
Conservatives are politically motivated while normal people who would usually vote democrat are politically unmotivated

Not everybody is catching HBP everyday like these Trumpanzees over political issues. By when time comes to cast their vote, they vote with the most moderate and inclusive candidate. Hate motivates more than moderation, so does religious fervour. Same reason why the North PVC collection is always high compared to South

I don't need to go out my way to get voter ID here in UK. Electoral roll write to me to register. I will never go and queue for voter ID. Only sick and twisted children of hatred like Basilico and co will go and kill themselves to queue to get voter ID.

Conservatives know they lack numbers but are more motivated. Same applies the world over, and that's what they bank on.

Kokobilo87:
Needing an ID to do the following ISN'T racist:
-Buy/register/insure/drive a car
-Open a bank account
-Board an airplane
-Apply for food stamps
-Apply for a job
-File for unemployment
-Have prescriptions filled
-Purchase alcohol/tobacco
-Apply for university
-Get a refund at a lot of stores
-Have utilities
-Adopt a child
-Get a mortgage
-Go to a doctor
-Donate blood
-Pick up a package at the post office
-Purchase a firearm
-Obtain social security benefits
-Obtain medicare/medicaid
-Open a credit card
-Get a library card
-Rent an apartment
-Get a CHINA-19 "vaccine"
-Go to jail
-Rent tools/furniture
-Get married
-Cash a check
-Go to court
-Enter a federal building
-Cash a lottery ticket
-Apply for welfare
-Adopt a pet
-Join a gym
-Visit a casino
-Apply for a hunting/fishing license


Needing an ID to do the following apparently IS racist:
-Vote

Hmm...

Konkoja:
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Have a good read... Including research reports:

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/campaigns/upgrading-our-democracy/voter-id/

See both sides of the argument based on facts.

Just to check what I'm missing here with the bolded - what is the proof or proofs of previous elections were not free and fair? This is like pumping someone with medication when he/she is not unwell!

Good chat mate - I rest my case.

NNTR:
It choke you, like a fishbone in the throat, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

jamesid29:
Kindly refer to pastorAi's assertion for context.

PastorAIO: everywhere in the Hebrew bible where you see wayyizbah they translate it as sacrifice. Only in 2Kings when Josiah sacrifices the priests that's when your translators deceive you and say 'slaughtered'.

@ bolded is not really correct sir

NNTR:
What part of firsthand sacrifice dont you understand?
God sacrificing Himself

jamesid29:
2 Chronicles 18:2

NNTR:
Smh, I give up. Blind as a bat.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

PastorAIO:
Look at this one. Yet before he can forgive your sins unless Jesus of nazareth is sacrificed Abi?

Hebrew 9

22Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Konkoja:
Those pushing for use of photo ID said photo ID will be issued free of charge in County or Council offices. So, that should solve it! Not quite!

Because, I know no one size fits all (complexity).

Some will do everything not to deal with government or anything official - lots of them in the US and UK (Gypsy travellers are a good example). Another, group are those who don't trust government, either as a result of historical or current real or perceived injustices. (You will find more Black and other minority groups).

The question then is should people with little or no trust in government be allowed or encouraged to take part in election process? Well, the answer to that is what come first - chicken or egg?

By the way, why fix what is not broken?

donbachi:
I go just ask for her hand in marriage,propose with an expense ring.visit her parents house,with the promise of renovating their house.unroof it and disappear.

50/50.

PastorAIO:
There is a Zen story about a monk who goes to his master and says: ‘ master please pacify my mind’

The master answered: ‘ show me your mind and I will pacify it’

He replied: ‘ sir I have sought it but I cannot find my mind’

Master: ‘ there you go, I’ve pacified your mind for you’

raumdeuter:
Add that you need a govt issued ID to drive, rent, get married. Or should the officer marrying you and your wife just take your word for it that you are John Smith?

A govt issued Photo ID is simply to tie your name to your face. Like would be required for most activities. Why will anyone without fraudulent motive be against that?

If a bank says they gave out your money to someone because he said his name was Deepsight without any form of govt issued Identification tying his face to the name Deepsight, Will that be acceptable to anyone?

Basically you just need to show up at polling station and say you are James Brown without any form of govt issued ID and voila you get to vote

killyaselfie:
“Pessimism” or reality. Whichever way you view it, it probably gave rise to gods, the afterlife, and “the hope that there is extraneous meaning to this life”. It is also the reason people compartmentalize their faith in the face of contradictory reality because to acknowledge it is to give way to existential dread. Better a comfortable lie than the indifferent truth.

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zendi:
Woketopia is the only dystopia in which a harmless sitting president, with neither military backing nor even a feather as weapon, is accused of making coup against an electoral candidate.

Election contesting/disputing is not insurrection or coupmaking.

PastorAIO:
� what is the self?

PastorAIO:
� what is the self?

To what extent is the self a construct built from a set of memories.

Imagine you fell in water as a child and nearly drowned and subsequently became very afraid of water. In fact the fear pervaded your life to the extent that it became a signature characteristic of Deepsight. Everyone that knows you knows that ‘that guy dey fear water sha’.

No w imagine you had an accident that resulted in you losing a large chunk of your memory including the early event where you nearly drowned. That event is no longer a part of your episodic memory, and subsequently you lose that characteristic fear of water. Are you still that previous hydrophobic guy?

Abetterperson:
I don't really fancy married at all, it as to do with my upbringing I never grow up in a stable home and I found happiness when my parents were apart rather than together. I really don't like the idea of marriage because I see it as a cage, mind you im not totally against it I just think it wouldn't suit me, I never grew up in a family home so I don't know how to build one.

A guy asked me out and I agreed only on the condition that we wouldn't get married, he refused saying what's the point of the relationship if it wouldn't lead to marriage, even though I don't like the idea of marriage I do want to feel loved and wanted, I still do want kids and some sort of companionship, as crazy as it sounds I just want a baby daddy, I wouldn't have a child with him because I want to money, nop I'm already trying to establish myself, I really want to be financially independent so as to take care of my kids
Now the main reason I don't want marriage is because of my Independence, I don't want to answer to anyone at all and I know it will be difficult if I'm married to someone because in every marriage there is a level of dependence that is needed to make the marriage work, whether you are a man or woman u don't just do what you like especially when there is a child involved, secondly I'm thinking about the emotional stress my kids will go though if the marriage doesn't work, I don't want my child to grew up with memories of dad beating mum, mum shouting at dad, mum throwing a knife at dad and incase I do divorce I don't want my child to be in a state of depression, thirdly most Nigeria men treat their wives as trash, I Know what I'm talking about they don't value their wives, some see them as property other than an actual human being, some think of their wives as house maids and will refuse to do anything in the house or even allow the woman to get a help, some are also serial cheaters and don't see anything wrong with cheating because as they put it "I be man". Now I know that some women are equally as bad but I'm just stating my concern as a woman after all I'm not going to walk down the alter with a woman by my side.
So that's all I need my Independence, stability and control, people are saying I will regret but I really think it's for the best for me, I feel like I have a lot of time to think as I plan on having children at 28 but I don't know if my opinion will change then.

I'm I stupid for not wanting marriage?

PastorAIO:
.. somewhere in the multiverse

And an infinite number of others.

killyaselfie:
If these gods could take a couple of days out their busy schedules to speak to ancient people, they can make time to speak to contemporary people.

Or, the glaring truths that most can’t face. The scriptures are allegorical, the gods are mythical.
Life is meaningless. The wise and the fool will meet the same fate. The moral and the immoral will meet the same fate. Your god is as real as his god and her goddess. The priesthoods were founded to control people in complement of explicit force. There is nothing new under the sun. Your god is not original. We toil under the sun and find meaning in our daily lives but ultimately it’s all for nought. We will all die and in due time we will all be forgotten. The ones who come after us will be forgotten by the ones who come after them. The sun will consume the earth and it will be like an ant dying on earth. Insignificant. So, love freely and cherish life; it doesn’t last for “eternity”.

LordReed:
I have learnt to separate my fantasy from my reality. I can indulge in fantasy right up there with the likes of Tolkien or George Lucas but when I am discussing the nature of reality I am not going to confuse Lucas or Tolkien for reality.

Konkoja:
Use of PVC for election in Nigeria only confirms backwardness of Nigeria. Even with PVC, elections are still rigged. Right?

The issue of photo ID is not about leaning left or right. It is mainly whether it disadvantages a group or groups in the society. Put differently, any policy that disproportionately affect a group for whatever reason (beyond election), without mitigation, is discriminatory. Any policymaker in developed countries knows this. Please, stop using Nigeria as a Yardstick of a normal and functional society.

Proponents of photo ID use for election present it as if its the only means of verification when in actual fact one's identity has been verified even before registration. You can ask why 'use of photo ID will disadvantage a group or certain groups? After all it is only ID? Absolutely, that is why it is a complex social issue. But, does that make it a non-issue? Absolutely not! I personally would wish everyone has valid photo ID because I have plenty. But, I also know that is me interpretating the society through my lens to the world.

Let me ask you, why is there absentee voting? Why is there mail balloting? Should everyone not be able to cast their votes on election day?
Government could have said if you can't physically cast your vote, then nothing for you. How would those working away, the sick etc vote? Hence, inclusion and adjustment to accommodate those in these category.

Broadly, state (in a democracy) should be seen to promote increase participation across board. At least, we can agree on this!

LordReed:
You just stated a speculation and then made a conclusion based on that speculation as though it has been established as fact. Not how this works. It is fine to speculate that there are infinite universes but until it is established as fact you don't get to make conclusions based on it.