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^^^ God IS independent of EVERY OTHER THING.

If you can tell me what "Time" is - you will be perilously close to staring God in the face.

Given the above, I believe dreamers, visioners and clairvoyants will realise why the rest of us, lay people in these matters, are wont to believe that it is all in your head.

All in my head? I don't know about that.

I was in Dar es Salam for a Managed Servces negotiation two weeks ago.

One night I woke up from a dream. In the dream a friend of mine who I had not seen or heard from for 16 years was sitting beside me. He simply said, Long, time, how have you been, we should hook up soon.

I last saw or thought of this fellow when we last saw back in secondary school. So I never think of him. He is entirely outside my worldview.

I got up because it was close to morning and I went online on my laptop.

The first message that fell into my mailbox was from that Friend I had just seen in the dream. It simply said, Long time, how hove you been, we should hook up soon.

I got back to Lagos and my brothers told me that he had visited my house that very day.

I know very well that it is not all in my head because since I was a child there is nothing significant that happens around me which I do not see in a dream some days or weeks in advance.

^^^ Absolutely spot on!

A God who is described as absolute truth and supposedly bearing such attributes as mercy cannot also be responsible for repeated injunctions to senseless genocide and ethnic cleansing. . . this smacks of an egoistic pagan deity whose injunctions probably originated from the bedrooms of the human kings of the Jews.

^^^ Can you show me where I said that on this thread? ? ?

nuclearboy:
Fully Man, fully God. Can you for once use your schooling and seperate between the two? Then take example that makes sense.

But then, being DeepShit, you'll want to harp at taking example from the God part. So please do so and create something with intelligence to replace you seeing as you've decided to throw away that capability once its Christianity being mentioned. Or better yet, get on a jet to the UK and jump out over the ocean seeing as you would prefer to take example from God.

You may note that I have never in my life addressed you disrespectfully and have not done so in this thread, so your repeated references to "Deep Sh.it" and asking me to jump into the ocean are your own business entirely.

Nonetheless, i think this from AIRDIG addresses you -

AIRDIG:
Don't get mad when cornered, instead THINK!

Now we are not supposed to take examples from God?

Tomorrow you will say that Jesus is God and that we should take examples from him by being Christ-Like.

Is it God-Like to lie?

Chai, these people sef.

O, come on huxley, you know very well that there are waves through which such are transmitted.

There are various energies existing in space that makes these possible.

That does not make the energies themselves space.

Can you not see this point?

Look at the earth. Soundwaves permit our hearing. Are those the only waves in existence? Are THE waves themselves space?

Of course not!

^^^ That is false. I ahve been answering your questions in great detail.

You asked me what Gravity is. Here it is -

Gravitation, or gravity, is one of the four fundamental interactions of nature, along with strong interaction, electromagnetic force and weak interaction. It is the means by which objects with mass attract one another.[1] In everyday life, gravitation is most familiar as the agent that lends weight to objects with mass and causes them to fall to the ground when dropped. Gravitation causes dispersed matter to coalesce, thus accounting for the existence of the Earth, the Sun, and most of the macroscopic objects in the universe. It is responsible for keeping the Earth and the other planets in their orbits around the Sun; for keeping the Moon in its orbit around the Earth; for the formation of tides; for convection, by which fluid flow occurs under the influence of a density gradient and gravity; for heating the interiors of forming stars and planets to very high temperatures; and for various other phenomena observed on Earth.

Now we are aware that scientists nowadays explain gravity through the curvature of spacetime. I have stated that I have doubts about such explanations and I have shown already in my last post why I have such doubts - because the theory does no correspond with many known phenomena. I gave a list of those phenomena above.

It may interest you to note that there are other theories out there -

Alternatives to general relativity are physical theories that attempt to describe the phenomena of gravitation in competition to Einstein's theory of general relativity.

There have been many different attempts at constructing an ideal theory of gravity. These attempts can be split into four broad categories:

Straightforward alternatives to general relativity (GR), such as the Cartan, Brans–Dicke and Rosen bimetric theories.

Those that attempt to construct a quantized gravity theory such as loop quantum gravity.

Those that attempt to unify gravity and other forces such as Kaluza–Klein.

Those that attempt to do several at once, such as M-theory.

And the only reason these alternatives to general relativity are being sought is the fact that there are clear phenomena that do not correspond with general relativity and as such we may have to look for teh explanation for gravity elsewhere.

You asked me why I think spacetime is a hoax, and I already gave five answers -

1. Space and Time are intangible, self-existent non-contingent elements that exist in and of themselves and so cannot conceivably have a beginning or end.

2. Again, if Space-Time was created at the moment of the big-bang, the question still remains – into what did space-time expand? A void?

3. Even if it is a void the fact that it is capable of receiving an expanding element means that it is itself imbued with space. Already existing space.

4. Space and Time are inherently infinite. If this is the case then space-time as conceived in specifically finite terms by Einstein and co is a myth.

5. Finally, the very idea of a multiverse nullifies the presupposition that spacetime was created at the birth of THIS universe.

I specifically asked you into what the universe is expanding and you gave a terrible answer which I explanied above could not be the case.

Finally you ask about light bending and I already stated that mass could exert force on light particles. That is my off-the-head proposition - Disprove it. At all events you should know that this does nothing to support the concept of spacetime being "created."

^^^ So it is academic - that means it should be in the University Curriculum as a university is an academic institution.

^^^ Excuse me sir - forget about human definitions already, because it was Yahweh himself that defined what he was doing as invoking "a lying spirit."

So his definition is clear and in his definition it was falsehood, even in his own sight.

Why would the same Yahweh now tell his followers not to lie?

Did he ever think that he might be setting a bad example?

I perceive that the problem is that you presume that the body of scientific knowledge regarding space-time, gravity and general-relativity are picture perfect and absolutely correct.

That is not the case in the least. There are many phenomena that the current assumptions do not corresspond with -

According to Wikipedia, there are some observations that are not adequately accounted for, which may point to the need for better theories of gravity or perhaps be explained in other ways.

Extra fast stars: Stars in galaxies follow a distribution of velocities where stars on the outskirts are moving faster than they should according to the observed distributions of normal matter. Galaxies within galaxy clusters show a similar pattern. Dark matter, which would interact gravitationally but not electromagnetically, would account for the discrepancy. Various modifications to Newtonian dynamics have also been proposed.

Pioneer anomaly: The two Pioneer spacecraft seem to be slowing down in a way which has yet to be explained.[21]
Flyby anomaly: Various spacecraft have experienced greater accelerations during slingshot maneuvers than expected.

Accelerating expansion: The metric expansion of space seems to be speeding up. Dark energy has been proposed to explain this. A recent alternative explanation is that the geometry of space is not homogeneous (due to clusters of galaxies) and that when the data are reinterpreted to take this into account, the expansion is not speeding up after all[22], however this conclusion is disputed[23].

Anomalous increase of the AU: Recent measurements indicate that planetary orbits are widening faster than if this was solely through the sun losing mass by radiating energy.

Extra energetic photons: Photons travelling through galaxy clusters should gain energy and then lose it again on the way out. The accelerating expansion of the universe should stop the photons returning all the energy, but even taking this into account photons from the cosmic microwave background radiation gain twice as much energy as expected. This may indicate that gravity falls off faster than inverse-squared at certain distance scales[24].

Dark flow: Surveys of galaxy motions have detected a mystery dark flow towards an unseen mass. Such a large mass is too large to have accumulated since the Big Bang using current models and may indicate that gravity falls off slower than inverse-squared at certain distance scales[24].

Extra massive hydrogen clouds: The spectral lines of the Lyman-alpha forest suggest that hydrogen clouds are more clumped together at certain scales than expected and, like dark flow, may indicate that gravity falls off slower than inverse-squared at certain distance scales[24].

What I may surmise from these is that there is absolutely no need to presume that Einstein’s theories are perfectly spot on in the matter of space-time. I believe there is still a lot to be learnt, as always.

Curvature of light could be caused by the effect of mass exerting force on light particles. This does not in anyway prove that space-time is a material or that it can be bent in the manner conceived or that it was “created” at the time of the big bang.

If you will assert the contrary then please answer my five posers for me.

I POST THEM AGAIN –

1.   Space and Time are intangible, self-existent non-contingent elements that exist in and of themselves and so cannot conceivably have a beginning or end.

2.   Again, if Space-Time was created at the moment of the big-bang, the question still remains – into what did space-time expand? A void?

3.   Even if it is a void the fact that it is capable of receiving an expanding element means that it is itself imbued with space. Already existing space.

4.   Space and Time are inherently infinite. If this is the case then space-time as conceived in specifically finite terms by Einstein and co is a myth.

5. Finally, the very idea of a multiverse nullifies the presupposition that spacetime was created at the birth of THIS universe.


So what say ye?

What is so non-academic about Theology?

That is another deep scientific fallacy. Space cannot be stretched because it is intangible. Prove the contrary if you can.

It only makes sense that if there is a greater distnace between two objects, there will be a difference in the observable light between them, so the red-shift thing means nothing in terms of what you are trying to assert.

I state that it is a fallacy because these are the same scientists who comically talk about bending spacetime to create wormholes.

That is impossible because if spacetime is a material that can be bent in the manner conceived, then that will rip the universe apart and casue the greatest collision and explosion of all cosmic bodies imaginable.

^^^ Inesqor tried that prank and I have already addressed it.

Because God himself in that passage (and remember its your infallible bible stating this) acknowledged that he was dealing with a Falsehood.

He specifically referred to "a lying spirit."

Lies connote inconsistency.

Truth is consistent. That is why God is said never to change - becauase he is absolute truth and therefore consistent.

Thus Yahweh dealing in inconsistencies which he himself called lies simply shows that Yahweh is not God.

Simple.

huxley:
The best answer cosmologist have now is that the universe is expanding into space it is creating at the same time. In fact most cosmologist today are now coming to the view that there is a multiverse or a cyclic universe.  The evidence for this is quite strong now, but will be clinch when they manage to get result from the gravitation wave experiments.

This answer is absolutely contradictory and inconsistent.

There is nothing that can expand into something outside of it and at the same time be the creator of the element outside of it into which it is expanding.

That is like stating that your protruding pot-belly created the air and space around it - in which you live and work - and into which it protrudes.

The second and main reason why it is inconsistent it that the very term MULTIVERSE presupposes other universes existing within the very same space  - thus destroying any idea that the commencement of THIS universe is what created space.

Rather it is obvious that universes may exist in the same space in the same way as planets and other celestial bodies exist in the same space.

Where is your evidence that space-time is a hoax?

It is asserted that space-time was created at the moment of the big-bang or initial expansion.

That is simply illogical and inconceivable because –

1. Space and Time are intangible, self-existent non-contingent elements that exist in and of themselves and so cannot conceivably have a beginning or end.

2. Again, if Space-Time was created at the moment of the big-bang, the question still remains – into what did space-time expand? A void?

3. Even if it is a void the fact that it is capable of receiving an expanding element means that it is itself imbued with space. Already existing space.

4. Space and Time are inherently infinite. If this is the case then space-time as conceived in specifically finite terms by Einstein and co is a myth.


5. Finally, the very idea of a multiverse nullifies the presupposition that spacetime was created at the birth of THIS universe.

Is gravity also a hoax?

No it is not.

What explains the fact that all galaxies are moving away from each other?

Energy.

Why are you fond of prevaricating when I ask you questions?

I repeat my question - answer it first.

INTO WHAT IS THE UNIVERSE EXPANDING?

huxley:
On Singularity

To understand "Singularity", you have got to understand the concept of "Infinity"

I am glad that you have said this.

You have also acceded that no man understands "infinity."

This is why I stated that no man can define for me what a singularity is.

God is Infinite. The God Principle is a principle shrouded in infinity. That is why i stated that grasping it may alter one's sanity.

and further that there is not just one type of singularity. Singularity is domain specific - for instance in terms of cosmology, a Black Hole is a singularity, which simply means that the curvature of space-time becomes infinite. That is a blackhole singularity.

Space-Time is an illussion. It is a hoax. A scientific Fraud.

INTO WHAT IS THE UNIVERSE EXPANDING. ANSWER ME THIS.

I state that it is expanding into already existing, self-existent and infinite space.

This is what drove Cantor mad.

Are you prepared to go mad? Brace yourself.

That we do not understand the maths of infinity now does not mean that it shall forever remain incomprehensible to us, far from that.

The very nature of infinity means that it can never be contaned or limited. That will be an oxymoron.

If it can never be contained or limited, then it can NEVER be understood.

Officerricky:
I've come to realise that it doesn't really matter wat we do, how much we try to please God and obey his words, how much we earnestly yearn for His fellowship, how much input we put into the progress of His gospel. When the time comes for the "will of God", none of these are taken into consideration. God goes all the way to cause pains, break hearts, cause sorrows, agonies and regrets just for His glory to be made manifest. I can't but remember the blind man that was made blind for 38yrs just for God's glory. Some people are created and then some wicked qualities are instilled in them just for the glory of God to be made manifest. These things are just driving me crazy. I know u might wonder why i'm saying all these. It's just my mother. She gave God everything she'd, served Him, was devoted, prayed to Him for long life and prosperity. And all God paid her back with was untimely death at 45. I know somebody is going to tell me it's God's will but can't He just consider the pains and sorrows He causes to the people He created just to effect these wills. I'm just don't understand!

Be still.

Mr. Jesus, you are simply contradicing yourself.

On the one hand you state that the Church and the University are separate entities.

On the other hand you justify the absence of such courses in the university by saying that they are already available in the church.

If truly they are separate entities then there would be no need to justify the absence of one thing in the university by referring to the church.

Both institutions are two leprous hands of one greedy, vain, vacant and faudulent person - Bishop (who the hell gave him that title) [b]Ole[/b]depo.

"Perilously close" means that such a person is has crossed the rubicorn in terms of understanding one of the deepest mysteries of existence, and is accordingly able to grasp The God Principle.

It is a perilous thing because any person who can grasp that principle is already on the fringes of sanity - and may fall over the edge.

Now stop prevaricating: define the term "Singularity" for me.

Or are you afraid of falling over the edge?

^^^ You are dancing with assumptions. I did warn you when I said -

Deep Sight:
Now note carefully what I have said and distinguish it from the assumptions you have attributed to me: which I did not say.

No where in my post did I state that anything (singularity inclusive) = God.

I stated and I repeat -

That any person who defines for me exactly what a singularity is will be perilously close to staring God in the face.

Take up the challenge, son - define for me exactly what a singularity is.

This is important, because when pressed about the origin of the universe or the big bang, most athiests love to simply state - "A singularity."

Kindly justify your eloquence and define that term for me.

What is a singularity?

Simple.

babaearly:
I[b] still dont believe Yahweh is Almighty God! that the God of the Isrealites is Almighty God[/b]. Isnt Lying a Sin? why would Almighty God approve of a lying Spirit to deceive a human, a powerless human in comparison to his Almighty Superiority - makes no sense even if you explain from now till 2012.

GBAM! Simple and short!

bawomolo:
lol how do i join this gang.

Simple requirement is to allow your self to be hynotized by the cult leader of the gang, Pilgrim.1 Viaro.

Once done, you are a member.

P.S - Unconfirmed reports advise that your person and soul may also be subsumed into the person of the leader, such that you become one with him - accordingly you may never be able to disagree with the leader. When you die, you will, via the auspices of the leader, be permitted to take your physical body with you to dwell in heaven beside God, who by the way has also been permitted (by the leader) to don a physical toga in yonder heaven.

InesQor:
@Deep Sight: You're entitled to your opinions. Please stop persistently dogging me on Nairaland threads, I have no intentions to pursue useless disceptations with you.

Persistently dogging you? Oh please, I hope we are not reverting to the self-importance of the Mavenbox days?

Asking simple questions about your faith should not lead you to feel harassed or hounded. Unless of course you are not confident concerning the strength of the pillars and fundamental assumptions upon which that faith is built.

The undeniable fact which none of you can escape is that the passage in the OP very clearly conveys God conspiring and participating in a deliberate act of FALSEHOOD. You cannot escape by asserting that only God determines what is false - for the simple reason that within the passage God himself already acknowledges what he is doing to be an act of Falsehood. So there.

Now I positively assert to you as follows –

1. Almighty God, the creator of all that exists, is absolute Truth.

2. Almighty God is also asserted to be omnipotent.

3. Thus in the event that Almighty God wanted to bring about a specific outcome in Ahab’s case, by virtue of his omnipotence
he could have done so in a zillion different imaginable ways.

4. Accordingly he needn’t have chosen to deliver the preferred result by resorting to deliberate lies and conspiracies with demons.

5. The act stated in (4) above is impossible and inconceivable for God to do – because God is absolute truth.

6. It thus follows directly from (5) above that the entity recorded to have done that act was NOT Almighty God – who knows only TRUTH.

7. Following from (6) above the entity called Yahweh described in the bible is NOT GOD, but a local pagan Semitic deity.

8. The conclusion is obvious – your religion is no different from the thousands of pagan religions worshipping imaginary local idols – which is what Yahweh is.

9. Come to think about it, lying and consorting with demons is a well known attribute of such pagan gods.


The foregoing is iron – cast logic which I challenge you to refute.

huxley:
Interesting view here - are all singularities God or are there only a special class of singularity that is God?

Allow me to point you to a very commonplace singularity - BLACK HOLES. There are billions and billions of black holes in the universe. Does this mean that there are billions and billions of God?

Sir - I asked Mazaje to define for me exactly what a singularity is. He has absconded from the question - and rather than deflect the issue - since you have waded in, I request that you first define for me exactly what a singularity is.

I have stated and I state again that nobody can define it - and if any person actually does I repeat affirmatively that in that event such a person will be perilously close to staring God in the face.

Now note carefully what I have said and distinguish it from the assumptions you have attributed to me: which I did not say.

^^^ My dear brother! I am so sorry it has been so hectic.

I will give you a call today!h

Interesting. I am personally convinced that there are zillions of worlds and extra-terrestials in existence.

But a planet within a planet? Can you elucidate on that please.

Do you like mean a human being has an intangible spirit and so the earth also has an intangible aspect to it?

^^^ Your write-up is contradictory.

This -

The big bang theory does not establish that the universe had a beginning or was created from nothing. What it states is that the cosmos(our four-dimensional space-time) can be traced back to a cosmic singularity. Some people thereby assume that said cosmic singularity represents "the beginning" but that is just an assumption on their part. . . .The fact of the matter is that we simply do not know if that really was the "beginning", or whether there exists some as-yet-undiscovered mechanism that generates cosmic singularities, some or all of which then go on to become universes. . . . .

- Completley declares that a creator exists.

I demand of you that you define for me exactly what a singularity is.

When you do this, which i do not believe that you can (nor can any scientist) - you will be perilously close to staring God in the face.

^^^ You are deceiveing yourself: your analysis does not add up or make any sense - not even in the least.

You shoot yourself in the foot when you state that there are billions of ways to deliver a particular result - because that simply shows that Yahweh of course could have employed many different ways to deal with the Ahab issue - when then did he have to chose the dirty method of conspiring with demons and propagation of deliberate falsehood? ? ?

You guys simply have no conception of one word that is all important in spiritual matters -

TRUTH.

Why are you so obsessed with this ancient semitic pagan deity called Yahweh? ? ?

Extract From Wiki's History of the word "Yahweh"

Originated among the Israelites?

A more fundamental question is whether the name Yahweh originated among the Israelites or was adopted by them from some other people and speech.[87]

The biblical author of the history of the sacred institutions (P) expressly declares that the name Yahweh was unknown to the patriarchs (Exod. vi. 3), and the much older Israelite historian (E) records the first revelation of the name to Moses (Exod. iii. 13-15), apparently following a tradition according to which the Israelites had not been worshippers of Yahweh before the time of Moses, or, as he conceived it, had not worshipped the god of their fathers under that name.[citation needed]

The revelation of the name to Moses was made at a mountain sacred to Yahweh, (the mountain of God) far to the south of Canaan, in a region where the forefathers of the Israelites had never roamed, and in the territory of other tribes. Long after the settlement in Canaan this region continued to be regarded as the abode of Yahweh (Judg. v. 4; Deut. xxxiii. 2 sqq.; I Kings xix. 8 sqq. &c).

Moses is closely connected with the tribes in the vicinity of the holy mountain Mount Horeb. According to the Book of Exodus, Moses married a daughter of the priest of Midian (Exod. ii. 16 sqq.; iii. 1). It is to this mountain he led the Israelites after their deliverance from Egypt. There his father-in-law met him, and extolling Yahweh as greater than all the gods, offered sacrifices, at which the chief men of the Israelites were his guests. In the holy mountain the religion of Yahweh was revealed through Moses, and the Israelites pledged themselves to serve God according to its prescriptions.

It appears, therefore, that in the tradition followed by the Israelite historians, the tribes within whose pasture lands the mountain of God stood were worshipers of Yahweh before the time of Moses. The surmise that the name Yahweh belongs to their speech, rather than to that of Israel, is a significant possibility. One of these tribes was Edom, another Midian, between whose lands the mountain of God lay. The Kenites also, with whom another tradition connects Moses, seem to have been worshipers of Yahweh, but the Amalek who were great enemies of Israel were not a part of the covenant to be law abiding.

Petroglyphs evidencing that Yahweh (El, Al, Allah, Iah) was at one time reverenced by various tribes near Palestine in the Seir, the mountain chain running between Mount Horeb and Hammath, in Sinai and the Negev, have been found at Serabit el Khadim. Emanual Anasti has found several cultic places in that territory (Horeb, Sinai, Kadesh, &c.)that were sacred to the various powers of secular lord, wind, storm, water in the desert, fire and smoke that these glyphs represented. The oldest and most famous of these, the mountain of God, Mount Horeb seems to have lain in Arabia, at the juncture of the Arabah with the Gulf of Aqabah of the Red Sea at Elat. From some of these peoples and at one of these holy places, a group of Israelite tribes adopted the religion of Yahweh, the power who, by the hand of Moses, had delivered them from Egypt.[88]

The tribes of this region probably belonged to some branch of the Arabian desert Semitic stock, and accordingly, the name Yahweh has been connected with the Arabic hawa, the void (between heaven and earth), "the atmosphere, or with the verb hawa, cognate with Heb; Hawah, "sink, glide down (through space)"; and hawwa "blow (wind)". "He rides through the air, He blows" (Wellhausen), would be a fit name for a god of wind and storm. There is, however, no certain evidence that the Israelites in historical times had any consciousness of the primitive significance of the name.

^^^ Exactly depicts Inesqor's fraudulence -

Because in his argument EVERYTHING the Bible-God did - no matter how inhuman and barbaric - must be deemed good.

That's ridiculous.

InesQor:
Something InesQor said on that old thread. I think it may help to understand what I am saying here, I dunno

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I think the real question is "What is good? What does it mean, and what does it entail?". As mortals we tend to think of good as "whatever favours me", but I guess its not like that on a cosmic scale. Here is the wikipedia entry on "good".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good
Good as an adjective

    * expressing usefulness (of objects, "good for"
    * expressing expertise (of persons, "good at"
    * expressing morality or altruism (of persons)

I believe none other than an initial creator can establish the usefulness, expertise and morality (accurate conduct) and altruism (selfless harmony) involved in the creation. The perfection of the creation may involve some elements that appear "evil" to us as men, but on the creator's scale, they are "good".

As you noted, this all hangs upon the PURPOSE of the creation, which is shrouded in great mystery. But only God, the creator, would understand this mysteriously shrouded purpose, and whatever he deems in harmonious consonance with that purpose is good, whatever is not is evil.

This is NOT helpful in the least. This again is the height of FRAUD.

The summary of what you have written is that REGARDLESS of what God does or says, such actions are ALWAYS GOOD AND  SUCH STATEMENTS ARE ALWAYS THE TRUTH.

In the first place, God as depicted in the Bible has denied this statement of yours because he is recorded as stating that he will send spirits of falsehood to certain men. This is quoted in the OP.

Secondly and more cardinally, this is a fascist excuse designed to defend whatever your God does under the LAME excuse that the purpose is a “mysteriously shrouded purpose,” which no person can decipher.

Accordingly when Yahweh issues injunctions to ethnic genocide, mass plunder and destruction, we are all to sit back with sealed lips and imagine that there is a good “mysteriously shrouded purpose,” which such is meant for.

When will you wake up and recognise that ALL of these ridiculous flip-flops are the flip-flops of MEN which they have written in your book of myths and ascribed to God? Why are you determined to live your life based on the lies and fantasies of deluded patriarchal, ethnic-jingoist ancient Hebrews? Just why?

Now that you have seen their equivalent of Sango pathetically consorting with demons and instructing them to spread deliberate lies, you are pathetically defending this by saying that “whatever God does is good and true. . .”

How can a lying God require Truth from his worshippers?

Did he ever hear of setting bad examples?

Most cardinally how can such an entity inspire reverence and worship when he contrives such lies and imagines that humanity should be content to believe that there is a "mysteriously shrouded purpose" for such falsehoods. . .

I repeat; such "mysteriously shrouded purposes" are the lingo of POLITICIANS.

Is Yahweh a Politician?

InesQor:
You must be reading the Bible the wrong way around, then. As an exercise, reflect on the meanings of Good and Truth. They can only have ONE absolute meaning and everything else defers in respect to that absolute meaning. That absolute meaning is in God, and every other thing works out to ensure its absolute, from lying spirits to truthful entities to humans with their own "free-will".

Fraudulent. Inescapably, and deeply fraudulent.

For the simple reason that in that passage your God explicity states that he wants A LIE to be propagated.

He understands it clearly to be FALSEHOOD - and he does not shirk from it.

Here are his words again - "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?' And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.' Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets"

So your God KNEW that he was dabbling in LIES - as he himslef called the intention "a lying spirit" - SO YOU CANNOT CLAIM THAT WHATEVER COMES FROM HIM IS TRUTH.

That is fraud, and nothing but fascist dictatorship - because if God came out tomorrow and declared that he never asked Aabraham to sacrifice his son - you will claim that once he has said so, the it s the truth - as anything he says must be true.

Your God has denied your claims by stating above that he was sending "a lying spirit."

Thus Yahweh, as depicted in the bible, in addittion to being an advocate of genocide and ethnic cleansing, is also a conspirator with demons and invoker of lying spirits.