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aylipple:
LOL. I can see some fellows threatening fire & brimstone when they should've directed their anger at H.E Alh. Atiku Abubakar, Sen. David Mark, Ogbeni Rauf Aregbesola and co. for failing to do due diligence on the SPV of a party (ADC) that they went to hijack!

From the get-go, the adoption of ADC as the coalition's vehicle to send the abysmally performing APC packing from Aso Rock was an accident just waiting to happen! Only an ignoramus would claim ignorance of the crisis in ADC as at when Ralph Nwosu "sold" the party to Atiku and his group. They could've easily adopted another mushroom political party or even form theirs as Sen. Seriake Dickson did with NDC but no, they just had to shoot themselves in the foot and then turn around to blame Tinubu.

For the benefit of doubt, if the case goes against Atiku & co., the best they can do is negotiate with the victorious faction to allow them still use the ADC or find another crisis-free political party. But to say elections won't hold or that the heavens will fall? That's wishful thinking. Worse case scenario, Tinubu becomes the last President of a "unified" Nigeria (after all, isn't that what some of you have secretly and even openly wished for?) while the others can only rue what could've been; heads or tails, Atiku, Peter Obi, Rotimi Amaechi, Kwankwaso & any other interested aspirant for the Presidency will never get to be President while the person they sought to displace would go down in history as the "last President" of Nigeria (even if ignominiously).

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They have long hinted that they have back up plans. I hope they do. I dont want to see a one horse race which is what the govt seems to want.

commoditiesnig:
You see eh.. the Hypocrisy with most of these so-called supporters esp the online ones is mind boggling.. See as they’re blaming someone else.

How can you JUST JOIN AND TAKE OVER AN ALREADY EXISTING PARTY JUST LIKE THAT because you have funds to buy people over. Why not simply form a brand new party as platform eh?

I knew this issue would happen..

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Be honest. Its not just the ADC. Wherever opposing figures gather, the govt is doing the same thing. Look at PDP, look at LP, look at NNPP, even SDP was invaded before it could start. They want a one party state and that can never augur well for this country.

Daguccizgreat:
Tinubu should watch it. This nonsense will lead to something ugly in Nigeria

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He wants, for the first time in history, only one party to contest the presidency in Nigeria. He really should watch it. It will lead to serious problems.

budaatum:
You do? We should play sometime!

https://m.gameknot.com/stats.pl?budaatum

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We should try.

Benalvino3 and Raumdeuter,

Maybe one thing you guys dont understand is that there are sufficient numbers of the best of the best in all races.

benalvino3:
This train of thought is not qualified for this discussion 🤣🤣😂

Certification is the entry threshold, not proof that every qualified pilot is equally strong. If hiring is driven by a quota rather than selecting the strongest candidates within the qualified pool, then some better-qualified pilots may be passed over. You cannot argue with this point.

Some will have better records, more hours, stronger simulator performance, better judgment, better training history, better leadership, fewer incidents, better aircraft-specific experience, and stronger overall resumes. All these are factors. So if there is a program to prioritise a certain race, then it begs the question.

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THE RED BOLD JUST SHOWS THAT YOU DONT KNOW HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

LordReed:
See who dey talk. If dem put your sense on scale with ant own, ant own go go down your own go go up.

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Bwahahahahahahahahahahha ! ! ! !

Flame333:
Only if all the neighbors were to be like Israel this idiot would have been begging by now...


This same terrorist country who produced drones so that Russia can destroy Ukraine and when Russia requested troops from not Korea to destroy Ukraine they showed up... Today NATO members are behaving like innocent before Trump

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If you like go and ask your best friends for help after you have spent the last one year insulting them and threatening them both economically and militarily and wait and see how they will react to your request for help.

Na wah. Its incredible how anyone, let alone a President of the United States, can be such a pathological liar.

KobolanderSegun:
Anyone who thinks they can over shine Jesus Christ is living in a delusion. Anyone who thinks they are smarter than Jesus Christ will live in oblivion.

When you consider all the " Great " thinkers were are they now ? Where are Socrates, Plato and the rest ? Despite my Non Conformist ways I give Jesus Christ his due because that is truly the Greatest Thinker there ever was and ever will be.

Jesus Christ taught simple Advanced Science so when I see a so called scientist not acknowledge Jesus I know that they don't know science well enough.

When I see a Thinker discredit Jesus I know that person has not thought hard enough.

It's simple it's like playing football and you say " Victor Osimhen is not a good footballer " it means one of two things 1. You have never watched football or 2. You have never seen Victor Osimhen play football.

There is No One smarter than Jesus Christ. A man that died 2,025 years ago and people sing his praises on Sunday Globally.

Me that has not been to a Church in 25 years sings his praise at home and on This Forum.

A man that the Romans changed the Global Calendar based on His Birthday. The Romans where the World Power at the Time and they bowed to his Teachings. They never thought highly of people from the middle east but they thought extremely highly of Him

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Three quick things sir. . .

I am not sure the distinguishing attribute of Christ was intellect (or whatever you call being "smart". . . Secondly, Jesus was likely not born on December 25, the Romans chose that date to align with the Saturnalia. . . . Thirdly the adoption of Christianity by Rome was likely a political masterstroke and not necessarily a spiritual thing.

Razzness:
This is an objective fact. But the human brain is programmed to always focus on the negative experience, so it's very hard to see progress.

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How is it an objective fact when the prices of everything quadrupled upon the coming to power of this govt?

budaatum:
Link please. I'd like to see him reason like a supposed man.

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https://www.nairaland.com/8632938/tctrills-repugnant-aspects-christian-doctrine

budaatum:
I am deeply offended by the above.

His spiritual adviser, Paula White, is a Christian, and she is no different to dump!

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Some pranks can be dangerous. Some can cause death.

Racoon:
https://www.facebook.com/share/15g2SkPYN2D/

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GracieX3:
Lol.....if you knew how much money foreigners make in Nigeria.

Are you aware that cars, technology and data are more expensive in Nigeria?

A car I would buy for 8,000 pounds in UK (16 million Naira) will cost me 25 million Naira. It would even be cheaper to buy a right handed car in uk and convert it than to buy the same car in Nigeria

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He has no clue.

And many of them live the kind of life in Nigeria they could never dream of at home.

ono:
And why not?

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Why would you presume in favor of the greatest pathological liar in history.

timota:
Why are people so bias against Trump,so u all want non citizens to be voting in us elections,so that illegal immigrants and terrorist will vote against the good people of united states'.
I stand with Trump on this one, operation show ur ID before voting

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Come on.

Lets say that you stand with Trump on Voter IDs. I also see nothing wrong with Voter IDs.
Do you also think he has the right to postpone the election? He doesnt.

ono:
...read through all you wrote. Balanced views, learnt some new stuff. You keep at it like this, perhaps, we can be friends, so long as you're not gay.

Also, what if Trump's plan also include making sure that all eligible voters have this ID? What if he's got a good plan to start this. We are in the jet age for Christ's sake. Let them just take that first step. You all sound like "it can't be done" and it's got to be perfect the first time. I don't think this is what's on Trump's mind. He just wants some order around how things are done. Your hatred of and for him is blinding you all from seeing what's good coming out of this.

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You tend to presume in his favour all the time.

benalvino3:
For Jagaban presidency? 🤣😂🤣😂

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Especially so since Forex is more locally powerful now.

raumdeuter:
It makes it harder for those who are not US citizens obviously. You cannot go to a bank and say you want to withdraw money, they ask for your account number you dont know, your name or ID to search for you and you don't know. So what proves you have a right to access the money? Nothing

When you know, then come back

What in your mind provides election integrity? Its almost a No brainer, but the American left are actually no brainers

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See Ijebos' post.

It touches on some key points.

Such as cost. They should make IDs free.

Also it makes the good point that Dems are actually far more likely to have IDs than hill billys.

IjeBos:
Did you see what happened in the last election in Nigeria?
Ask people how difficult it was to get voter cards. I read stories and heard tales of people of certain tribes having very difficult times getting voter ids.
You have first hand experience with it and still act like you don't.

Voting in the US is done at a precinct level by people who live in that precinct. So, when I walk in I meet someone who I see when I go running, who asks my address and then checks me in. In that voting place, there is an armed local cop outside and a couple armed local cops inside.
The organization it would take for someone to vote multiple times is unrealistic. And you would be insane to risk voting illegal if you aren't a legal citizen yet.

Now, I am for security so I have no issue with voter id, in fact would prefer it. The problem is, can it be done in a manner that doesn't disenfranchise people.
The Dems had a voting rights bill that allowed for voter ID. But they also had protections in place so people could get those IDs easily and at no cost. A cost to vote is a poll tax which is illegal in the US because of its racist history or being used to disenfranchise black voters.
Voting is a right guaranteed by the constitution and should be treated as such.

Also, strangely enough this new Republican bill would disenfranchise Republican voters more than Democratic voters. Democrats are more likely to have a Passport(travel) and be able to get to a location to get an ID. So Dems are actually fighting for Republican voters here as usual but being criticized by the same people they are fighting for.

And lastly, the difference between DeepSight and you is that he speaks in a probing way. It sounds like he studies what he is talking about, has info to back it up and still stays in his lane on matters he may not have enough experience in. His goal seems to lean and grow his knowledge base. You talk like your word is the end all and be all of a topic especially when it's clear you really don't have facts to back it up or a firm understanding of that topic. It's the same thing Basilico and Bemeruca do in this thread.
Like this post.
You are arguing about how voter id worked in Nigeria without talking about one of the biggest issues, how big of a mess and how hard it was to get the voter card. And what seems like a deliberate, purposeful strategy to prevent some people from voting to game the election.

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Excellent points particularly on the cost to vote point.

raumdeuter:
So how do you prove you are a US citizen

How is John Smoth going to prove he is a US citizen without one of those document, why cant Deepsight also claim he is a US citizen and use the same excuse of No Birth cert and no US passport

They can apply for a birth certificate.

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I know, it just makes it harder for many and that's what the Republicans really want.

It's about that if you are honest.

Anyways I have no issues with it.
Not that it concerns me.

raumdeuter:
The Save act says when you are REGISTERING to vote, you need to proof your citizenship by bringing evidence of your citizenship to register

Once you are registered, you need a Govt issued ID to vote

what could be controversial about this

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Do you know what proportion of people don't have passports or birth certificates.

raumdeuter:
Since you are a Nigerian and familiar with Nigeria, I will use the Nigerian example

what do you think about Northerners in Nigeria benefitting and getting placed into top govt position due to quota system

Do you think its good for Nigeria that some people have a lower standards to get into positions?

When you get to a top position say NNPC and see a Hausa person what does your mind first go to? Maybe that this guy is not qualified and only got there because he was from the North. In some cases you might actually find out that this Northern man was a smart guy who went to Unilag UI Ife Nsukka Zaria and came tops like Prof Jubril aminu

Imagine you got to a surgeon table and see Doctor Abubakar Audu from Yobe state, maybe something will whisper in your mind that Are you sure this guy will know what he is doing?

You see that what was designed to help Northerners now became an albatross on the smart ones where everyone now doubt their abilities

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This example is always at the back of my mind when discussing affirmative action.

Nonetheless I am not sure you understand how affirmative action is worked out and applied in the USA.

Secondly in areas of particular expertise, no unqualified person can get through, affirmative action or not. This you will not find any pilots or doctors who do not meet the standards of the industry.

Thirdly and most importantly, the backwardness of the North in Nigeria did not arise from any lawfully endorsed past injustice of the state as is the case in America, where white people were legally given unmerited privileges for over a century. And black people were wildly marginalized and discriminated against for centuries.

Therefore the social justification is strong in America while it is not in Nigeria.

Finally, please know that the preponderance of Northerners in govt positions in Nigeria is not a function of quota system, it is a function of a Northern hegemonic system and a culture of Northerners directed towards public service roles and systemic dominance.

raumdeuter:
The only thing weird with America is the Democrat left

There is hardly any activity you do without a govt issued ID,
These minorities rent or own homes? They need an ID,
These minorities have a job? They need an ID,
these minorities operate a bank account? They need an ID
These minorities check into hospitals? They need an ID
These minorities buy controlled substances like medication, liquor or cigarrete? They need an ID

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I agree.

DeepSight:
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I have answered your questions as best as I can.

You simply want me to say "Oh, master, I was wrong in my analysis."

I would advise you to move on to the meat of the matter because that is not coming. Where I am wrong, or see better reasoning though, I always concede without much ado.

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TV01, let us move this discussion somewhere else as this is not American Politics

I think it fits in here -

https://www.nairaland.com/8632938/tctrills-repugnant-aspects-christian-doctrine

basilico:
It's childish , meaning you expect nothing but bias from him.

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Well, Trump is evil enough to generate the legitimate notion in many people that they should not help bring more Trumpists into the country.

Not saying I would necessarily do the same thing.

But if you think about it, if that lady was a colored person, one wonders what she is doing trying to go to the US (save for a temporary visit, business or pleasure) while supporting the man who is against colored people coming in there.

ono:
You're a chess player. Don't worry, your ties or is it inclination to liberals and their ideals is not in doubt. They know you're one with them in spirit and letter.

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You mean the bold metaphorically don't you. I do love chess though.

basilico:
Ijebos who went cold on a lady who needed visa help because she supported Trump. That's a poor yardstick.

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This has nothing to do with his understanding of his place of residence. It would be more related to his personal values if at all true.

basilico:
It's on my bucket list

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GracieX3:
Stop shifting the goal post.


Charlie Kirk questioned if a black pilot is qualified. Deepsight asked you if you know any pilot that is not qualified (did not do the minimum flight hours or training)

Either Charlie kirk made a foolish, racist remark or all black (and all races) are qualified.

Furthermore, diversity includes Hispanic, Native American, and Asian races. Why does Charlie Kirk only focus on black men and women when it comes to DEI.

The biggest DEI incompetent hires in government in the last year have all been Trump appointments- Hesgeth, Noem, Patel- all incompetent and unqualified for their jobs

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Thank you!

In fact for all their shouting about merit, just look at the disgraceful appointments!