₦airaland Forum

TV01:
Our learned friend, SAN etc. etc. do your legal superpowers only consist of waffle and bluster . The bible says "in the multitude of words there is sin" Please answer my questions and I'll be happy to respond to yours.


TV

^{...let me open another front}

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I have answered your questions as best as I can.

You simply want me to say "Oh, master, I was wrong in my analysis."

I would advise you to move on to the meat of the matter because that is not coming. Where I am wrong, or see better reasoning though, I always concede without much ado.

ono:
Since you're here with us in Lagos, are you sure Ijebos willl not see things differently from how you see it? - just saying o o!

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You cannot deny that a person who resides in the USA is most likely to have a deeper understanding of the way things work and happen there.
Of course this does not mean that they are always right.

cococandy:
A lot of people were tricked and fooled.

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None more than those who believe that Trump is a Christian.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Those ones I truly laugh at!

I have NO DOUBT in my mind that he is an atheist. And an amoral one at that.

ono:
Bro, C'mon! If Nigeria - ranked as the poorest country on Earth right now, having fallen to that decrepit spot by displacing the former numero uno - India, still require IDs to vote in our elections, how is it that the "poor" in the US cannot get IDs, wherever they might be, to go to vote?

Perhaps, Ijebos will have something to write about now. He will say I am not living in the US, how will I know?

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Remember I said I see nothing wrong with insisting on IDs.
I am just telling you the reality on ground in America.

basilico:
He wasn't I would not get into a plane that wants women and people of color as a prerequisite.
Kirk asked someone in a video I posted, if the quality of NBA would go down if they insisted whites have to be in the team. What you think?

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You never responded to my epistle. Did you read it at least. It would be sad to make the effort and have it not read.

Ol boy forget sports. That one get tribe. E.g: Brazil and football. Kenyans and marathons. There are cultural and environmental factors of influence there. A field of studied technical expertise such as aviation or medicine is quite different.

ono:
So, then, if the leader of the free world (US)

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I had to come back to this.

Trump is not the leader of the free world. The free world has disowned him and he does not espouse freedom, he is a proponent and fan of dictatorship and tyranny.

basilico:
Never, a plane is not like a car where you can park , get out and resume journey.

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So if you understand this, then you should have known Kirk was talking sh**t.

ono:
So, then, if the leader of the free world (US) request that voters should have and ID to vote, is this out of place? Is there really something sinister that can be tired to this? Isn't it even a strange thing that such is happening in a country like the US in this day and age?

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Personally I dont really have a problem with insisting on IDs to vote to be honest. But the truth is just that the way America is configured, they know already that the minorities are far less likely to have IDs owing to the fact that a higher percentage of them live somewhat economically shambolic and "scattered" lives. So its a thing they understand well. And they are doing it to diminish the minority vote, nothing more.

Mind you, I still say there is nothing wrong with asking for IDs.

America is weird in many things, there are only a couple of countries in the world where a felon can contest elections.

ono:
We do use IDs to vote in Nigeria, don't we - never mind that the Northerners even allow their heard of cattle to vote, from what I gather (however true that may be)?

You sound (write) like a lawyer I know in Port Harcourt. Is that where you live?

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Yes and many non Nigerians have those IDs.

No, I live in Lagos. Always have, from birth and likely always will, despite the temptations to move.

As crazy as Lasgidi is, I have a true love for it.

basilico:
I have ever done a short stint working for an airline as the ICT Manager. I setup their call centre , liased with the developers of an online booking system ,redid their ICT infrastructure - server room, plus network servers including an exchange server plus CCTV .
Spent quite some time at the airport terminal check in.. The employees were crazy, having been used to manual ticketing and loading they never wanted a system which managed the airline . They would get bribed to underreport hand luggage. Which gives the pilot a very good idea of the amount of fuel for the flight.
The pilots were my friends that's how I managed to get the jump seat.
So yes I know more about flying behind the scenes , than the average person.

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And with your knowledge, is there any airline that would put a pilot on a plane if that pilot if not fully proficient?

TV01:
Please sir address the point in view and answer the questions. Based on your claim that The Lord Jesus Christ did not do away with the law (nailed it to the cross - hallelujah) and that in "fulfilling" it, not "abolishing" it, the law remains in force.

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I am trying my best to remain clear and consistent with you, but it appears you need me to kowtow to your reading of things before you can proceed. Note that I am not a Christian, and as such it really is not my business what a Christian wants to abide by or not. What is clear to me is that -

1. The same God Christians worship made barbaric commandments in the Old Testament (including orders for genocide)

2. The same Jesus worshipped by Christians repeatedly quoted the Old Testament in many things. He would ask, what does the law of Moses tell you, for example, and when asked what it takes to enter the Kingdom of heaven he summarized the law as being loving God and loving your neighbor (and this is a summary of the ten commandments - the first four dealing with God and the last six dealing with your neighbor)

In light of the foregoing, tell me, is it not reasonable to say that it is questionable to languidly and carelessly wave away the Old Testament and its laws? Is it your position that the Old Testament has been abolished? Has it been "cancelled" the way Muslims say that newer scripture cancels older scripture? You tell me, if that is what you think.

Tell me specifically, have the ten commandments been abolished?

Have all the commandments towards love, fairness, justice, honesty and humility in the Old Testament been abolished?

Are Christians not still bound by them?

Or is it only when a Christian sees a command that he does not like that he remebers that Alhaji Jesus has changed things?

Go ahead and tell me.

You are the one trying to hold me to a thing I never said. I never said "Christians are bound by the law" for example. That is your inference. I can understand why you leap to that inference but it misses my position. I dont think Christians are bound by all of the law (I gave you the example of the edict against shaving facial hair to show you that there are many petty and absurd rules therein - the books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus are a sad read full of nonsensical and petty injunctions) - BUT - no one can argue that the God that Christians worship (someone who is said to be the same yesterday, today and forever) once made such injunctions and prescriptions and no one can deny that it is worrisome that he would.

^{A lawyer that doesn't know the meaning of fulfil . From the same Nigeria that members of the NBA offered to defend Deborah's killers pro-bono. Where they disbarred by any chance? My fault for having expectations I guess.}

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We fulfill promises, laws are not "fulfilled" - no one makes such a usage of language either in law or everyday life. Laws are either obeyed, disobeyed or enforced. So quit the petty attempt at the professional ad hominem.

Speaking theologically however, I would say that Christ meant that the entire thrust of the events of the Old Testament found fulfillment in his coming. Certainly not that the laws and rules therein were fulfilled by him. If anything he dismissed quite a few of the said laws and rules (On Divorce/ On Revenge/ On the Sabbath, to mention a few). Thus you are the one being absurd and failing to use or understand language properly if you speak about law being fulfilled.

The facts remain -

1. Both OT and NT endorsed slavery
2. Christians and the Church justified slavery (and the murder of alleged witches) with bible verses.

Defend that.

Athemisia:
I read an article how his father bail him twice after his casino businesses collapse

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Correct.

brain54:
All we have to do is to leave Iran and we would be doing that very soon and they will become tumbling down...


Always miscalculating and oversimplifying issues. It's what brought us to this point in the first place. Its what started the unnecessary war.


I sometimes wonder how trup built his business empire. Maybe by trial and error!

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He had a huge headstart from his Father. Secondly he kept being fraudulent by declaring bankruptcy about five times. Thirdly with his position among the elite he had endless advantages and connections to stay up.

If you are broke today and all the richest people in this country are your friends believe me, you can be a billionaire again within one week.

No one can trust your words Oga.

benalvino3:
Nobody comes to Nigeria and overstays. They all regret the moment they step foot into the country. At best 2 people overstayed their visa 🤣

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You don't know jack.

FSBoperator:
Less paychecks = less consumers and more welfare cases.

Whose going to buy all the crap corporate Amerikkka churns out?

This is where UBI comes in play.

You will own nothing in the incoming Judeo-Technocratic Digital Surveillance state and will be grateful to your J3wish overlords

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You read my instinctive thought on UBI

World governments have to figure out a totally new socio economic order.

Tenses:
Make dem ask that man well.

This man enemies strong well well.

I remember for Cross River when Liyel Imoke was the governor.

Man was always sleeping in the office. I saw this first hand.

It was later discovered that his opposition enemies use witchcraft spell on him.

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Ordinary sleep and you have invoked witchcraft. So you know his lifestyle outside work?

Lanretoye:
As a reasonable person,sit down and ask yourself that is any one useful in the APC decamping ?,only useless and disgruntled people are doing nsogbu…if he was useful to them,they will do everything to keep him,ADC can have him,it will only take the tale of David and golaiat to unseat APC
To cut the joy of some people short,some decampees are even going there on a mission for the APC but our brothers from there are enjoying the ovation for now,wetin go shock una go pass electric

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Without Obi, LP is no longer important enough for moles to be planted.

ono:
And those foreigners are allowed to vote in our elections too - at any level?

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Not expats but surely you know that many foreigners from neighbouring countries routinely vote in our elections. Especially in the North.

benalvino3:
People overstating their visa in Nigeria 🤣🤣

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Don't laugh. This is very very very very real. A lot of foreigners come here with business visit visas and start working as expats without a work permit and long overstay their visas. I know this first hand, I handled many of them as Head of Legal in a number of multinationals.

tctrills:
Oga stop talking like a woman. If you have a point to make please do. You all are the same once your idea doesn't sell you get angry and start nagging. You remain me of Cenk Uygur

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Facts have been presented in huge detail by myself and ijebos and you have reacted like a spoilt and angry child throwing insults and seeking diversions. We can see through you. The record is there for posterity.

I will meet you later on our thread on Christian teaching. I have unfinished business there.

Good morning.

IjeBos:
Let me help you with that.
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=museums+where+Trump+has+remove+black+or+slavery+history

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Just look at all the detail there. Not that anyone NOT living under a rock would need to be shown.
But tctrills has outdone himself today in his display of outright dishonesty.

lightwind:
USA na their Papa anytime anyday... They are all doing this things because of the hate they have for President Trump that's all.

They seem not to like Trump of a guy leading the USA.

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And would you like someone who insults and threatens you constantly?

TV01:
Beyonnd cavil ? By an argument made from ignorance.

You posted and I quote.

Clearly implying that the OT law was not abolished, but still binding on Christians as a result of The Lords Jesus Christ' "fulfilment". Please don't lie, shift the goalposts or do any of the other underhand things you love to allege against others.

I have clearly shown your error - from scripture. Now validate your point from scripture to refute my position or revert to the 2 questions. Fulfil your own self-righteousness !


TV

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My position remains what I said, and no, I am not lying. For example the OT counts it as a sin to shave your facial hair. I dont believe that is binding on any Christian. But I would still wonder at the God that made such prescriptions. In other words, since that is the same God that Christians worship, it does not avail them to excuse such a prescription by saying it is the law and it is the OT - because that very God is supposed to be their God, is supposed to be all wise through all times and ages and for all people.

In law, we also have something called pleading in the alternative. So I plead in the alternative here, that even if we discountenance this matter of OT vs NT, the point you make is irrelevant considering that I also provided NT verses endorsing slavery as well. Thus it is no use debating OT vs NT when the NT endorses same as well.

nateevs:
Correct goal post shifting and completely lacks awareness.

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You can say that again.

tctrills:
Not read. Ignored

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Thats a link to judicial commentary and this is what you have to say. No one can take you seriously in this matter. You have shown yourself.

TV01 while I may not give you the yes or no answers you request, I will still be suitably brief -

TV01:
1. Do you agree that you are wrong on your reading of the gospel in claiming the OT law is still in effect and binding on Christians?

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This was not quite what I argued. I argued that both the OT and NT endorse slavery - and this is beyond cavil.
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Yes, I did point out that Christ said he had not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, and yes I said this in response tp the repeated attempts by some Christians to disown the barbaric injunctions in the OT.

To be clear, while I dont feel that a Christian is necessarily bound by every edict in scripture, the point I sought to make was two-fold -

1. As a matter of fact Christians did utilize the cited verses to justify their practice of slavery and also their practice of murdering women as witches - and as a matter of fact the latter was carried out by the Church of the day.

2. It is futile to say "oh its the OT" because we are still talking about scripture which is said to be inspired by a God who is supposed to be all good and all wise and beyond time and space. Thus that such a God could make such prescriptions at any time and for any set of people is lamentable.

It calls into question the nature of such a God.

2. Do you agree at a minimum that there is an alternative reading that is, honest, backed by scripture (and better than yours – until you provide scripture, to support your reading)

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I am happy to hear it. Share.

Auditt:
He who owns a land, owns everything on it.

BeginsAtHome:
The land and anything on it belongs to the owner.

QED

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Quid quid. . .
Solo solo. . .

Xxxxx

SpencerForbes:
I’ve definitely found the first layer. I’m hoping to uncover something deeper 🤔 I just want to bookmark this. But other evidences will fall in place and I’ll understand the main aim.

[b][/b]

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Joker

Putindbutt:
Mr President is focused on his job.

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I pray you are not this naïve in your personal life.