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manny4life: What do I believe?

Catholics DO NOT worship Mother Mary, rather they honor or reverence her, NOT worship her.

People like Pastor Chris need to find definition of difference between Worship and Honor...

Take this from a Christian....Nothing further.

Pls can u show us the difference between "honouring Mary" and "worshipping Mary"...I mean, what wud it be like to worship Mary?

clans: whose translation and whose version are you talking about, and who do you think brought out the bible for all

I have several translations and have checked 10 of dem, only 2 uses "full of Grace" and dey are Catholic versions! The others only used "blessed" and "favoured"....would u like to use a Jehovah witness Bible translation? Or do u disagree wit dem?

Wow!!! U seem to wanna say, its d catholics who brought out the Bible? Can u be much more ignorant dan u already are?

Infact do u know dat ur catholic church stood against any other translation except the latin vulgate? Perhaps u shld check d life of the Reformers and ur church history!

obayaya: hail Mary, full of Grace. the lord is with you. blessed are you amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus.. are excerpt of the visit of Angel Gabriel to the blessed virgin

holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.. is us taking advantage of the grace of Mary which the Angel proclaimed by telling her to pray for us..

I believe you guys don't have issues when pastor fatoyimbo will wanna introduce a young lady to a higher grace..

in the same way, we plead with the most blessed virgin to use her superior Grace in interceding for us..

understood?

grace of Mary? Why is it that catholics dnt read the Bible nor care abt how the translation goes? The text doesn't say Mary is full of grace! It only said "she is favoured" or "favoured one" ---- with grace!

FrancisTony: what's this one saying?

Wow! Am I chattin a baby who hasn't come across the Phrase? Marian Devotion/Worshipper?

well go go! do some search!

Bulldog: refer to my previous posts cos i hate repeating myself. The only thing i'll add is . you dont carve the statues of your mum but you have her picture and will probably want to build her statue in your village square when she dies hipocrites

Hahahaha! See again! A very ignorant dude and confuses Catholicism wit me! Well wen she dies I dnt need a statue of her to remind me of whom she is (was) or use it as a means to honour her person!

Again u ignorantly blinded urself to my post, " y dnt u honour David"?? and u dnt need to repeat urself na! Its nt dat a long thread, just copy and paste it.

Bulldog: i wonder why you went as far back as david you honor your mum right? why not honor her ancestors that are mostly idol worshipers? it's your type that persecute someone because of another person's sin and for your info when a blind man call jesus son of David, he didn't rebuke him and tell him that he was the son of God cos he knew he came from the line of david . It is stated in luke1:48 ...and hence all generations shall call ME blessed it still beats me why people claim to read the bible but just on the lips. First seek wisdom like solomon did and when you read the bible you'll comprehend.

Oh! So now its way far back? Perhaps u shld ask Jesus why He did, while speaking with John in

Rev 22:16

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Considering this to be a later texts than d Gospels and this is Jesus speaking! Mentioning no Mary at all...

Again why dnt u honour David?

And Yes I honour my Mum but I ddnt carve a statue of her nor hang up her picture to admire each time nor sing hymms in her names! So what's d correlation here

And again are u sure u r reading? I ddnt even allude to Luke at all

Bulldog: still wallowing in your ignorance i see . Did jesus ate the last suppers with the jews? he ate it with his disciples, those that believe his teachings. So if you are against the holy catholic church and the teachings of jesus, why are you so eager to partake in it? I sometimes wonder how a persons mind can be so closed but when i Do, the spirit tell me during that time, they'll read but wont understand. The bible is no novel for christ sake. Whenever you want to read it say this little prayer open my mind that i may comprehend the wonders of your word for christ sake

Wow! See ur ignorance? Are his disciples not "jews"? Isn't Jesus a Jew Himself? What Bible have u been reading? Wow the teaching of Jesus? Show me wea Jesus taught about "purgatory"... Again u still don't know what d Holy Communion is about? Ok, simply why did Jesus come to the World Perhaps u will answer that correctly

clans: the reason I CHOSE not to reply is because I don't like the direction the argument is taking. I prefer to leave you with your ideology cause you are a hard nut to crack, its either you've got a serious beef with the catholic church or something else, and I wld rather not fuel your passion for that beef and im not crying uncle YET

The truth isn't always intended to be "liked" infact Jesus was hated for being the TRUTH. My ideology isn't hard to crack cos it isn't mine but the Bibles witout any interpolation! Its urs dat is difficult for u to forsake for a moment and check its source(s)

Bulldog: in matthew 15:4 a reference was made to God commandment honor your parents so that your days will be long as a human being i believe you honor your mother, does that mean you worship your mother? dont be led astray by those businessmen pastors that you'll book deliverance sessions with and ask to pray for you yet they debunk the interceding power of the mother of Jesus. Remember at the wedding at the hosts asked her to intercede for them[and not jesus] and she did even though jesus stated clearly his time isn't yet come. Bottom line, if you are not honouring mary and keep Up with insulting her with your "protesting" spirit you are simply insulting Jesus christ. I bet if i insult your mum that you wont take it lightly with me. The bible is no story book you pull quotes from and i know that's why jesus sent the holy spirit after his ascension into heaven because he knew someday people will be led astray by what's supposed to give them salvation seek the holy spirit to guide you as you read the bible and not just read it as a novel. Let the Lord God open your eyes. Amen

It seems u haven't gone through the thread well to see how dis ur "mother myth" falls apart! If u honour mary cos she is Jesus' Mother, den why don't u also honour David??

David is being regarded as "the Highest of the kings of the Earth" and Jesus Himself says (in His Glory) "I am the root and the OFFSPRING of David" --- seems David is more important here! So why dnt u "respect and honour David too"?

Bulldog: A christian that doesn't know the significance of the holy communion is not a christian so dont call yourself that because the significance of the holy eucharist is the basis for christianity

Wow! Am sorry to say dis but, "did ur glasses fall off?" Now where did I say "I ddnt knw d significance of the Holy Communion"? Catholics and there error based analogies! So wen ur lecturer/teacher sets a question for u in d exam, does it mean he/she doesn't know what is being asked of u??

Am "wowed" by ur reply

clans: u got issues!

Yeah yeah! No replies! I take it. Marian Worshippers... They always need help being pointed to the Bible for truth!

Beezally: 1co11:26
When u eat and drink the supper ,you proclaim the lords death untill he comes again
Hope u get u av ur bible
Sorry if u felt insulted

Again am nt d one who ddnt read my question well now did I? Well let me show u what Jesus said Concerning the Communion/Last Supper

Matt 26: 26-28

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Luke 22:19-20

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

So it signified d atonement/remission of Sins!!! So why cnt an outsider take dis in d catholic church? Or is salvation for d catholics only? Is dat what ur church is sayin?

clans: guy!!!!!!!!!!!! cut us some slacks we are trying to cure your ignorance from the little we know, people like you make me wish I had a better memory on all the teachings I've gone through. my priest should be disappointed.

Oh my! Here comes the catholicist ranting about curing someone's ignorance! Well go through more of ur priest's lies and tell us na! Somethin as "historic" as ur stations of the cross shldnt be hard to call na! Or did u forget the name of d place Jesus got crucified? Am sure u wdnt need ur priest on dat one! The fact is u catholics are not Biblical Christians but purely following ur man made church traditions! Take a step to check ur church history and see its filth!

Beezally: can't u read jesus told his disciples do this in REMEMBRANCE OF ME. So can u see d significance

wow outright abuse! Well that's not all...u only mentioned its significance of doing it....what did it meant while Jesus had the last supper with his Disciples?! I am learnin so dnt abuse me oh!

Beezally: history of the station of the cross
After the death and resurrection of jesus at about 32/33ad,many people began to reflect upon his passion and death. These people, especially those who believed in him were convinced that the death of jesus was different. From other deaths. the fact that jesus did not remain in the grave made his death much more wonderful and exceptional . These early Christians began to make visits to jerusalem so as to physically walk in jesus footsteps in a prayerful mood these christians would walk along the way remembering what happened to jesus on those spots. That street that jesus walked on is still called VIA DOLOROSA marked the important places on the street so that those who came after them could follow and make their devotions. The visitors became known as pilgrims. Hope this helps u

Can u show us who dis people are and what they did in "the Bible". Since the Bible contains the deeds of the 1st Apostles!

clans: I was taught that the sacrament of the holy Eucharist ( that's what its called) is the sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ truly present on the alter under the appearance of bread and wine and offered to God for the living and the dead.. and during the last supper, he took the bread offered thanks , took the bread, broke it and offered to his disciples saying do this in memory of me. that's what we do.

I ddnt ask what the Holy Eucharist or Holy Communion is, (am a Christian)...

I asked of its significance....

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

I have a question again,

Is the Pope fallible or Infallible?

Bulldog: when people talk one rubbish or the other, they'll hinge it's authenticity on the truth is bitter. Let me tell these back biters what else is bitter to the person it's used against:
lies are bitter
blackmails are bitter
fallacy are bitter
false witness is bitter etc...
I dont judge but in this case God help me cos i'll, this fake pastor was a notorious sinner before he claimed he is called by God[that's why i ignore all these self annointed men of God]
As a pastor he has jumped from woman to woman and i think he is on his third divorce now.
He prophesied he'll be president in the previous elections, a prophesy that never came to pass uptill now.
What he is seeking for is attention hoping that Pope francis will look his way. But he has other willing souls to save. And i dont think pastor oko will survive the wrath of God if it's called upon him based on john 20.23... The bible warns us to be look out for false prophets like him in matthew 7:15 for they will rise during the end time. These man is one body with the beast prophesied in revelations 13.5 that will be allow to blasphem the name of the almighty God for forty to months. Brothers and sisters don't be perturbed by this, it's is nothing but the manifestation of the prophesys of john in revelations and that of our Lord jesus christ. The devil has been fighting the catholic church in many ways, bringing about incidence of protestanism but after suffering the blows, the body of christ, the church always manages to wax stronger. Udo diri unu.

Oh my hearts goes out to u much. What do u know abt d History of the Catholic church and the Reformers??! Now who is d Devil fighting who?

clans: I'm going to answer you on the communion part only. in my parish before the reception of the holy communion an announcement is made " the sacrament of the holy Eucharist is made for Catholics who are in the state of grace, visitors and non communicants should sit down and pray with us" in my catechism I was taught that he that eated and drinketh unworthy eatth and drinketh judgment to him self. so its just a check to prevent this. and I don't receive the communion when I go to other churches, I don't even go to other churches

Exactly, but den again, what's d significance of the "Holy Communion"?

For all dis catholic pupils here, I have a question to you

Why don't u honour David? Just as u honour Mary

fabulousdame: re u saying u know all? u got to be kidding, if u claim to know everytin, u can as well judge.

Yes I can judge, since Jesus has given us the authority to. But wat jugdement are u talkin about here? U mean like saying Catholics are goin to hell? Ofcos I can say that! And u can call it judgement if u like, but u just gonna show dat u dnt knw d Bible at all. All things hv been judged in d Bible, so we merely are pronoucing those written judgement!

Annaka: hail Mary ful of grace d Lord is wit u,blessed r u among women and blessed is d fruit of ur womb Jesus. God honoured her b4 mortals started so dose of u dat said its not in d bible watch ur tongues

Catholics and their inability to study, the scripture never said what u quoted it saying, it says Mary is Favoured (favoured one)....not full of Grace! blessed amongst women doesn't mean she is to be "honoured" as such! David is said to be Higher than the kings of the earth, yet Mary isn't upto a "king" not to talk of being Highest amongst kings of the earth...even Jesus said He is the root and "Offspring" of David not Mary, so shld we start "honouring" David like Mary too?

The list go full oh!

seems dis ppl dnt knw why Jesus had no earthly Father and Mary has earthly father, a very good distinction here! Jesus was sinless cos He isn't d product of the normal procreation of man! but He had to have a body and be born of a woman because He has to partake of our humanity, and be unda d law dat condemns us to d flesh inorder to free us from the curse. Mary on d other hand was a sinner like u and I (not in d sense of committing sin) and d reason for being a virgin at d conception of Jesus only meant it is a sign for Israel and nothing more special about it... again catholics like denying the fact that Mary had other Children

fabulousdame: pls stop saying wat u dont know, though i was not born into the catholic faith buh wen i joined the church, i loved their way en everything. i respect d catholic church more than any other church(not saying the others re not real)
christainity is a mystery dat no one on earth fully understands and the thing is no church, pastor or priest can take u to heaven. be careful wit tins like dis.

anoda error on Christianity, not a mystery but the truth of God's plan! even the Book of R
evelations dat most usually see as mysterious is not mysterious but a true "Revelation" as it is named! If u say Christianity is a mystery, den u need d HolySpirit more dan anyone!

clans: mister you just judged too. i rather u keep quiet than say things u aint sure off. biko!!! its called HONORING Mary not Worshipping

Catholics like word play! What does Honouring Mary means biko? And can u type out the "hail mary" prayer and let's analyse it?

[quote author=Ken_Jak]Though the catholics are not worshipping God, they're worshipping Mary... It's not for him or anyone to judge except God cos God says in the bible, Judge not for you not to be judged.
He's wrong with his preaching.[/quote]Am amazed wen ppl quote dis verses claimin "thou shalt not judge"....do u even know what dat verse means? Simply d verse is saying "do not judge by ur own created standards" else how can u then bind and loose on earth? doesn't dis involve judgement? Wat Chris Okotie (am not in support of his ministry though) has said plainly is dat Catholics are Idolaters and Idolaters will go to hell....do u disagree wit Idolaters goin to hell? Who judge Idolaters and condemned dem goin to hell? Is it Okotie or the Bible (Word of God)? Again what dis man is doin is pronouncin an already laid down judgement! He isn't creatin a new one here! U ppl shld learn to interact with wat ppl say! The only debatable issue is if Catholics are Idolaters or not! Of which I'd say they are Idolaters!

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ITbomb: Beloveth ATMC hit it hard. Trinity is more doctrinal than scriptural .
The nearest attribution of the Bible to Trinity is John 5:7 but early scripture research tends to read it as 'The three agrees as one' Not 'The three are one' . Jesus Christ explicitly referred to the Father in second person pronoun and even confirm that 'the Father is greater than I'.
For people that says that the theory is a mystery but true , fine , then it may be a mysterious truth which most people are not prepared to receive but as many as are ready, the Holy Spirit will revealed the essence of Trinity to them.
As such those who have this revelation should not use it as a bone of contention in Christendom rather they should pray for the Spirit to reveal the truth to others while we are practice Christ teaching of love which we all agree.

The Trinity plainly Scriptural...not doctrinal, even the Old testament contains d Trinity, probably u should do a study on it well...as for 1 John 5:7, sorry, it doesn't even count on d Trinity since dis verse wasn't in the earlier manuscripts!

The Doctrine of Trinity is purely Scriptural, not Doctrinal as some think it is. I wonder why people try to posit a God whose nature is not more dan ours! Its only the Trinity dat gives a far more superior nature of God...

kulkris: Please i hv a disturbing qst 4 every1? IS JESUS D SAME AS GOD?

Well its not a disturbing Question...have u been reading ur Bible well (if at all u are a Christian). Read John 1:1 and perhaps John 1:18 in its original greet context. These 2 verses call Jesus God directly without having to interprete it

all type of females ke? I hope u restricted it to humans sha? even handicaps? na wa oh!

Late nyt stroll.....