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Mrs Awesome: Poster..I was asking a question..probably you think am part of your fold ......at least I wasn't threatened with hell fire.
He taught a prayer excluding his name and somewhere some other writer gave an account of how he told his followers to pray in his name....right . These writers lived in different times and their compilations sort of discrediting each other. " He lives in me and I in him ".......bitheism or polytheism......two Gods + the spirit....

Wen ppl can't reason beyond their existence and nature...

clans: I repeat again, o! Mary conceived without original sin pray for us who have recourse to thee. there it is. anyway u tried in making it less askew for me

Where is d proof for dis claim
Its amazing how much lies u catholics are being fed with!

clans: its called the dogma of the catholic church, on the 15th of august is the feast of the assumption, on that day many years ago, mary died in the house of john and when he went to alert others he saw on the bed she lay, roses

again I asked for proof not explanation of the dogma...
y do u delibrately evade questions?

735 i: Are you really dumb? Or you're just making a concerted attempt to appear dumb?

How does dis address the question?
Perhaps ur glasses is bad?

philkul: because Mary is d mother of Christ n every. Mother plays a special role unles urs is not doing hers

wow! Now we are told Mary is playin a special role, can u tell us what role she is playing now?

and thanks for alluding to my Mother, I see her as a mini "god" that can plead for the ants I have vouched to destroy their colony......happy now?

Am I wicked?

Annaka: lol i pity u o,self centred human being so u dont pray 2 God on other pple's bhalf ?

But wen I pray on other ppl's behalf, I do so in Jesus' name only! Not in anyone's name, either alive or dead! Just Jesus'........

Stop looking for a connection btw I and Mary!

I am Alive and Conscious, Mary sleeps in the Lord and not conscious of what's happen on earth

phatasschick: oh pls xo u wanna tell me dat isreal gave birth yo d child d dragon came after and when he culdnt get to d chilf came after d woman hu God in turn gave wings to fly and kept her in a safe place ehn... Guess u re d learner here

See, u cnt even relate to d questions dere and u expect any one to follow ur exegesis? Well either u like it or not, the Woman is Israel...Rev12! Very symbolic!

chidi jp: When you ask your Pastor to pray for you, does that make a your pastor your god? Don't argue blindly. Leave the Catholic church alone.

Now u have foolishly assumed what I don't do...I haven't ever asked any Pastor to pray for me!

Now u r d one arguing foolishly, what is Mary praying about for u? Can't ur priest pray for u about it? What makes Mary the Favourite? Why not Abraham, or David?

Mrs Awesome: this is a very big problem. Who actually told us to pray in Jesus name... Cos according to Jesus and his our lords prayer..his model of how prayer should be like ......no Jesus was mentioned at the tail end. CONFUSION..Now each person is interpreting the bible to suit them...
Telling Catholics that they worship devil...are you kidding ...with some pages of write up..written 2000 years ago to some medieval Jews ...applying it to daily life of modern people and if a section deviate a little from your belief..he or she is labeled an idol worshipper or worst still sentenced to hell.........
Indeed, it is becoming a joke.....smh.

Smh! if u are gonna relate with someone's religion, atleast get familiar with it...u seem to boast that u know the message of Jesus and His Biblical accts and yet u ddnt know where the Bible says we shld pray in Jesus' name?
Again u dnt knw how the Bible came to be?! Smh!

gratieao: As for remembering Mary, there is nothing in Scripture that prevents it. Indeed, the Gospel of Luke gives us a prophecy that many would open up to Mary. Luke 2:34-35: “…Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, “Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is spoken against (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also),
that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed.”

So what has this got to do with my question?

amakenny: Your stance that Catholics worship Mary is like a stance of a nit wit, a dullard, an atheist. It is the most dumb. Catholics worship God Almighty. They pray to Mary and other Angels and Saints to also help in highlighting their prayers before God. Objects like the Cross or statues of Mary and others serve as remembrances, the same manner you keep your late relations photos or status vissible for remembrance purposes,

Why do u ppl insult God the Father and Jesus unknowingly?
Since wen did God become deaf that He can't hear prayers of the righteous that the Angels, Saints and Mary had to table it so He doesn't forget

Why are u catholic zealots insulting God dis way?
Some will say Jesus obeys His mother n dats why dey pray to Mary, so Jesus has now become wicked to sinners and has no pity anymore nor does He care about the righteous?

Catholic ppl sha!

clefstone: y does ur pastor pray 4 u, don't u hv mouth to pray 4 urself?

If my Pastor is praying for me (if he did at all) den it isn't for me to make heaven, but a prayer for my living on earth, probably being sick! But at d hour of death? Only Faith in Christ can save! Not even a Mary can do anythin to save u, she herself needs Jesus saving her!

phatasschick: b4 u all start ranting and saying wat u dnt knw, y dnt u open ur bible and go to d book of revelation chapter 12 read frm verse 1 to d last verse bfore u mk a comment. der you will read abt how important mary is to God and to humans.

Wow!!! This is ridiculous! a learner tryin hard to read Mary into revelations verse 12!

If u say the passage is about Mary, den answer the following

1.What are the 12 stars on her head?
2. What's d significance of the 3.5yrs?
3.What's d flood?

Again dnt be ignorant dear! The woman in that verse isn't Mary but Israel herself!

ChickRockz: If I remember correctly..my CRK classes and my Waec Syllabus and My Bible expressly mentioned that James and John were the Sons Of Zebedee..I wonder when Jesus became their brother..hmmm maybe he was adopted..You must be really dense cuz I explicitly mentioned that Jewish criteria for siblings extends to even your cousins..those brothers and sisters were probably his cousins..bros cha kwa anya o

Now am dense? Why is it dat the narrator of the gospel used the word "unknown disciple"? Since it knows all d 12 Disciples by names? Or is it that there are more dan 12 of dem and the rest ddnt publicly follow Jesus everywea? Again, how do we know dis criteria of urs is applicable to what u claim? As a matter of fact it doesn't apply only to Jewish customs! But again how is the writer supposed to put it, if he were to meant that they were Jesus' siblings?!

Oh mighty foolish dense one!

clans: mary died but was assumed into heaven, so shes not in that league and we only honour mary and seek the intercession of just not any dead but saints

Who was there wen Mary was "assumed" into heaven? Probably its an assumed assumption truly!

Or can u show it to us in the Bible??

lawsbanks: Gosh you act like you know all things and you know nothing! Haba....catholic church started from Peter(which means rock) in the Bible through Jesus when jesus told him upon this rock I will build my church, not just from Rome. I spent 6 yrs in a catholic minor seminary though I'm no longer in the setting but I can tell they don't worship mary... And where did u get ur "illuminati" news.you need to state ur source not just blab over nothing

Really? Peter started the catholic church? Why do this catholic zealots spread the myths of their church? Ok if so, can u give us any non catholic back up of Peter founding the Catholic church? Atleast we have many sources confirming James the Brother of the Lord with the Christian Copts of Egypt!

gratieao: Have you ever asked a friend for a favor? Or have you ever said to someone “Please pray for me?” Mary and the Saints are our friends in Heaven (unless you don’t believe that they are truly alive in Heaven). As such, they see God – Father, Son and Holy Spirit – face to face. Who better to pray for us and present our prayers to Jesus “in person?” Mary and the Saints “do” nothing of themselves; they all point to Jesus. Remember what Mary told the servants at the wedding feast at Cana: “Do whatever He [Jesus] tells you.” Open your mind to the fullness and richness of His ENTIRE family, and the wonderful ways we can love and help each other!

Simple question! Show us Biblical proof that Mary was asked to pray for the Apostles or anyone at all? Either while she was alive or slept in the Lord! And was Mary Sinless? If No, then did she also needed Christ Salvation?

manny4life: What in the world are you talking about?

When Jesus walked the earth to his death, was he not referred to as "SON OF MAN"?

What junk are you talking about? He's always been divine, YET, he was a man...

My point is SIMPLE and CLEAR. Like Mary, Jesus was a MAN born of a WOMAN, though he was the SON OF GOD, yet he was a man.

Oh my! What kind of Christian are u? Or a Bible student?

So u dnt know why Jesus used the title "the Son of Man"? I challenge u to show otherwise that Jesus ddnt add the article "the" to SON OF MAN.

Hence Jesus wasn't refering to His humanity, infact no Orthodox Christian denies that Jesus is ONE Person with 2 natures! He is the God-Man!

But now let's look at the title of "the Son of Man"
Here Jesus was also pointing to His Divinity...as God will never share His Glory with anyone (sometin d jews believe)

So let's look at wea Jesus got this title from!

Daniel 7:13-14

13 "I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
14  And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.

Wow! There u have it!

Pls can many of this so called Christians study their Bible?

obayaya: you are probably reading from the amplified bible or one of all these newer revisions with translations to suit their doctrines..

Hahaha

Are u saying am a novice Perhaps u need to see that these other revisions are to correct the mistranslations....and hey! This is exactly what ur demon church did den, tryin to monopolise the Bible to only the latin vulgate, thank God for the Reformers who challenged them and fought with their lives ensuring that the Bible was retranslated correctly into several languages! Hence catholic monopoly died and its secret exposed! U shld go learn abt the history of the church u believe in well.

gratieao: The Catholic Church is the “church” established by Jesus. All the bishops and priests are direct successors of the original apostles.

Jesus gave the Church and his apostles the power to forgive sins. Since priests cannot read minds and hearts, people confess to them so that the priests can give proper counsel and penance along with their absolution.

Catholicism is the original and most complete form of Christianity. East and West were one for a thousand years. Protestant churches only go back four or five centuries.

Y do u catholics like feeding us with myths Now can u give us a "non catholic (mythical) source" confirming this ur so called claims?

HYBREED: I can dare say I have more information about christianity than pastor okotie does. If he knows how the catholic have been the custodian of what he now rely on to preach...he wouldn't make such utterances about catholic. Though a muslim,but I know to some extent about how constantinople collated the bible.

Now again a 7th century time frozen muhammedan is now telling us he knows more abt Christianity than the Christians and now that "Constantinople" collated the Bible?

Dude u better go back to bed and sleep!

Constantinople? Perhaps u meant Emperor Constantine, which again is false cos he had nothing to do with the Canon of the Bible...the Canon of the Bible predates Constantine and the Catholic church!

So go back to ur kabba bound god called allah to reveal anoda one of its nonsense ayats!

dionysius: Catholic church is the first ever. Even the bible you read was put together by a council of catholic bishops thru Gods guidance. This church has stood the test of time with all that has happened good or bad. Please leave catholics alone and develop ur own church.

Wow!!! How much of history can u rewrite na? Catholic bishops put the Bible together? Can u get us ur sources? and the Catholic church is the first ever? No wonder it is mentioned in the seven Churches of Asia Minor (in ur dreams boy!)

lacum: david was a king in israel n d old testament held him in high regard. catholics does not despise him but we give mary dat honour for her role in our salvation history.

ur even going too far y not talk about joseph n i will tell u dat we honour him too.

Seems u are not following the thread, if Jesus after returning to his Glory in heaven as shown by the book of revelations....

He says "I am the root and OFFSPRING of David..." Now this is the latest of Jesus' statement in the Bible....he makes no mention of Mary at all...but instead mentioned David. So y choose Mary over David?

I hear ur Marian Devotee frnds claimin Angel's honoured Mary and bla bla, isn't Jesus more dan the Angels? Now why dnt u pray to David sayin "David, Father of God, pray for us..."

Note that Jesus ddnt for once quote Himself as the Son of Mary, but instead He alludes to the fact that He is the Son of David!

So why not honour David instead?

fabulousdame: pls where in d bible did Jesus give u d authority to condemn people to hell? u said i know noting en i need the holy spirit(i agree, everyone does) buh u clearly need serious intervention of the holy spirit... people who claim to know it all re the ones that end up knowing nothing at all..
i'm done arguing wit u. u re free to believe watever u want buh i must warn u my friend, matters of the holy spirit are delicate and u shudn't answer dem with wat u tink or ur mis-interpretation of the holy bible..just pray u re on the right track
God bless u.

again u show ur inability to read! What's the theme of the entire Bible pls? Perhaps u can tell us what the 10 commandments say? And then if it calls doin all does things it forbids as Sin, den where will sinners end......I guess u'd say hell....isn't dis wat we've been saying all along? Now did u make up the judgement or u just pronounced an already laid down judgement?! U catholics sound much like muslims

gratieao: Like all Christians, Catholics believe in life after death. Those who have lived good lives and died in the faith of Christ will, as the Bible tells us, share in his resurrection. While we live together on earth as Christians, we are in communion, or unity, with one another. But that communion doesn’t end when one of us dies. We believe that Christians in heaven, the saints, remain in communion with those of us on earth. So, just as we might ask a friend or family member to pray for us, we can approach a saint with our prayers, too.

Now show me where anyone(Christian) in the Bible prayed to Mary or ask any saints to pray for them!

Moreso did u read the Book of Revelations? Wht did it say about those that died in Christ Jesus?

clans: i don't disagree with the Jehovah witnesses. the reason the church was against other translations was cos people like you would read it in a way that suits them. and ignorance has no limit

Wow!!! You are one confused Marian devotee!!! And a sucker for Catholicism!!!

So u dnt even know what u believe? Or u pretendin not to know what Jehovah witnesses teach? Am so amazed at ur ignorance! And yet u call other ignorant!

candiva2013: you are very stupid and disgusting. What a disgrace you are.

I know am disgusting and silly! Like I said, am a disgrace to Marian devotion! She is nothing but a pagan idol! Catholics are idolaters! I dnt care wat u think!

manny4life: Excluding the complexity of the "HOLY TRINITY", if we're to go by facts,

Mary was a woman who was PURE AT HEART, she found favor before GOD.

Mary conceived a child through the Holy spirit,

Mary bore the Child named "EMMANUEL", my name Meaning "GOD IS WITH US"

Jesus Christ walked the earth, was raised by earthly parents - Joseph and Mary, up until he was off age

Jesus Christ started his ministry in human form, performed miracles in human form and DIED in human form

When he died, he cried out to his father why has he forsaken him (HUMAN PAIN).

Now the real question is, if we're to exclude the HOLY TRINITY, we Christians recognize Jesus Christ, and we even call upon his name. In this case, I really don't see what the confusion is.

Dude what is this? Do u think Jesus' Humanity is separable from His Divinity?

Perhaps if u read the Bible u'd see the confusion u just dnt see

ChickRockz: "Hail Mary Full of Grace the Lord is with You"Lk 1:28-This was Angel Gabriel's greeting to Mary during the Annunciation Of the Birth Of Our Lord Jesus Christ
"Blessed are you amongst Women and Blessed is the fruit of thy Womb Jesus" Lk 1:42-This was Elizabeth's response to Mary's greeting when Mary went to Judea to visit her
"Holy Mary Mother of God,"Pray" for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.Amen"-This is the prayer of the church..emphasis is laid on the word pray to show that we dont under any circumstance worship Mary..if we did we'd be saying "Forgive us sinners" instead

Y is Mary praying for u? don't u have ur own mouth to pray? Or is Jesus not hearing ur voice anymore? And what's Mary prayin for u on?

manny4life: Worshiping Mary would entail bowing before her image, heaping and ascribing praises and adoration to her, offering sacrifices to her or in her name, like the Bible defines "WORSHIP", every forms whether in prayers, songs, resolution, resolve and what not. Now, that would be WORSHIP to Mary.

So what does this "hail mary" prayer means
"Pray for us...."??

Honour??
Or
Worship

imauri: y dont you just practice ur faith and leave others to what they believe in... its all about our personal relationship with God, whats wrong with u sticking to urs and what u know and leaving Catholics to how they worship.. it is not in ur place to criticise anyone or conclude on what u think is the right way to worship...... when u point to the history of any faith critically , u have turned yourself to a judge by ur own hands... which makes u no different from the pastor in question. peace

Sorry Bro...I knw it hurts to leave what one earnestly hold. But if u say am Judging, Yes I am! But its not my Judgement but dat of d Bible...all idolaters shall go to hell. and fyi am nt standing against Chris Okotie for saying this piece of truth...and if u think he can't say the truth cos he is a "womanizer". Then rethink it, wen Jesus said "even sinners know how to do what is good..."

This leaves room for someone sayin the truth, despite not practising it.

ChickRockz: Can you name one of those other children please..also if Mary had other children why would Jesus entrust her into the hands of John the Beloved disciple @ Mount Calvary..what happened to the other siblings? Did they suddenly die or become disabled or is it that they were so irresponsible that they couldn't take care of their own mother?...which is really bad come to think about it. Most people fail to understand that the Jewish conception of brotherhood or sisterhood extends to even your cousins..Once you are descended from one Grandparent and answer one family name..you are brothers or sisters irrespective of the fact that you have different parents

Wow! So now where does it say that "beloved Disciple" isn't the Brother of Jesus, seeing that James was always called the Lord's Brother? Why wasn't John called the Lord's Brother? Or u care to show us where the text calls John, Jesus' brother? and wat are we to use in differentiating/or knowing for sure that its d idea of "brotherhood/sisterhood" that is expressly mentioned in d texts and not true siblings Again its up to u to show otherwise, since the text made mention of "His Brothers and Sisters"