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tejiri4:
Do you mean the guy search the whole Nigeria of a country and couldn't find its spec and married a foreigner.

Yes

garetz:
All these things you are saying is just assumptions and conjecture. Until there is any evidence that it had anything to do with Iran, that's what it will remain. The facts available from everybody involved in the matter is that it had nothing to do with Iran

Hahaha. Ok sir

Efewestern:
EUROPE is just not ready for any conflict with Iran, the only reason European companies pulled out from Iran was because they didn't want to lose the US market. Their body language over the past few months shows they want the deal to be alive.

I know Iran won't give up her missile program, that won't happen, they'd rather starve to death than give up their defense system. Isreal wants Iran to be weakened so they can conduct airstrikes anyhow they so wish, Isreal's strength lies on the weakness of her enemies.

I have some reservations on the headliners ruling Iran, most especially their bad economic policies and human rights violation, but hey, Iran isn't that demonic as they want us to believe.

I believe there is one spirit living in every Iranian those people are so stubborn and united. Ordinary Iranians volunteered to fight during the Iran-Iraq war. Those people are the real definition of patriotism.

garetz:
Yeah he said they disagreed over some issues but he never mentioned it was over Iran, instead he mentioned Venezuela and Cuba.

Lol. And you think Trump would tell the whole world he disagreed with Bolton over Iran and NK. He wouldn't want the world to see that US is losing the fight against Iran and NK in its pressure campaign against the two countries but we are not fooled they actually disagreed over Iran and North Korea.

The pressure campaign against Iran is even pushing Iran towards getting nukes and the talks and meeting with NK has not yeilded any fruitful result, Kim has said he wants a mutual concession and i think Trump has seen the truth. The Iranians are stubborn and keep demanding US lift sanction, Kim wants concessions from US too. You can see that the Iran and NK issue looks similar Iran wants sanctions to be lifted while NK also wants some sanctions to be lifted too.

US has proved to be an untrusted power over the decades, look at what they did to Ghaddaffi they made him gave up Libya's nuclear ambition and promised him they won't embark on regime change which they later did.

From what i have seen so far Trump wants to negotiate but Bolton had been hindering that. Infact Mike Pompeo should tread carefully else what befell Bolton would befall him.

garetz:
It has nothing to do with his sack

Do you listen to news at all? Even Trump confirmed that they had disagreement over some issues and he doesn't like Bolton's policies. Or you think Trump just sacked him for no reason?

Check this https://www.nairaland.com/5413375/trump-discussed-easing-iran-sanctions

Sunofgod:
Nice....hope then Chinese don't shoot it off.

Lol.

Thank you

snowland:
Saying Yes after introduction? What if she come say NO? Will they un-introduce the introduced? Ayam not understanding.

Yes they will un-introduce them and build Trump wall between them after that.

seunny4lif:
He met Putin today as a way to boost his rating in Israel for the general election as Israel has more than 2.5 million Russian-speaking Israelis out of total population of 8,700,000 (25%).
Roughly 20 percent of Israel's population was born in Russia

Russia is Israel and Israel is Russia

And you think he didn't discuss Iran with Putin?

Efewestern:
My thoughts exactly. Iran giving up her missile program will give room for future strikes and she also needs her proxies to be active and well funded so as to keep some people busy.

For us to have a good deal, both countries need to make compromise. I thought this deal is/was all about Nuclear weapons, why are they stressing on missile and the rest?

@Bolded, Israel's next step is very predictable, wail, cry and lie that Iran is doing something evil, believe me, that won't fly anymore. Even Americans are tired of tired actions in the region.

It's simple they want to weaken Iran's defences because Iran is Israel's biggest headache in that region and Iran poses a great challenge to US interest in the region. If you notice Europe does not have problem with Iran's missile programme except US and Israel that keep wailing because of their selfish interests in the region.

Europe had no problem with the JCPOA deal. They were satisfied with it until Israel came up with lies that Iran was violating the deal. Some days after the last G7 summit Netanyahu released another intelligence reports claiming Iran recently destroyed a nuclear testing site. He did that because Macron was trying to bring Trump and Rouhani to the negotiating table. Europe is not even buying Israel's propaganda anymore.

And Iran will never give up her missiles. That would amount to suicide. Will Israel give up her nukes? Iran feels threatened too because it has an enemy that posses nukes therefore it needs a deterrent that's how it works US knows this but hypocrisy and double standard won't allow US accept the truth.

Efewestern:
At the end of the day, a new deal will be signed, something similar to the first one, but will Iran give up her missile program? because Trump is also asking they stop missile test.

Bolton Out of the picture is a plus one to world peace, dude always wanting to share blood. A conflict with Iran doesn't worth it, millions will perish, that is if the middle east doesn't burn.

I doubt if Iran would give up her missile programme. It's a big deterrent against a potential aggressor and its support for the Houthi militias and other proxies in the region. Let's see how the situation unfolds but i know Trump is regretting his actions because the sanction isn't producing its desired result.

And one question is, What will be Israel's next move now that Bolton is out and Trump is showing a desire for talks? I read today that Netanyahu wants to visit Russia to see Putin. I can tell you Israel is scared.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

You're really funny but of course you're entitled to your own opinion.

Provided below is a statement you made that had I known it from the onset before replying your comment, i wouldn't have bothered replying you because it would be absolutely pointless.



The bolded is a statement that's bereft of spiritual knowledge, and it shows how far you are from the Truth that Jesus is, for these are His own Sayings:

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 7:23 (KJV)

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 13:41 (KJV)

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

So if our righteousness is useless before God, then how come Jesus says people are going to be rewarded according to their works, and that He didn't know the workers of iniquity?

These are the sayings of the One that died for man's sin, not a construct of someone's imaginations concerning Him, as the above saying of yours. And I believe that is the reason many of the church would be surprised when they appear before Him at the end, because they chose to go with their own imaginations concerning what He requires and not what He who gave His life for man said He required.

This is why the Sayings of Jesus bears no significance for you, as in the instance of tithes because you can choose to go with what you want to believe instead of what He said or did not say.

At least you can never show me a place where He outrightly condemned tithing, as He did other practices of the Law despite mentioning tithes severally.

You should by now see what distinguishes us, because one takes what Jesus says seriously, and the other doesn't.

FYI I don't tithe because I operate at the level of the kingdom of God where It requires a 100 percent and not the 10 percent being given to God as it applies in tithing. And I'm sure you will be able now to see why Jesus spoke highly of that widow who gave her all, and also how they gave in the church He founded because that is the level of Kingdom giving.

But how many can and would be able to do that?

So that's where tithing comes in, to cater for those who are not at that level of a hundred percent giving to God, just as the rich young man, so that they can yet give something to God and not nothing.

And I believe that tithing would not be able to take any person to heaven as Jesus showed in His Sayings regarding the Pharisees, but that there's a reward for tithing on this Earth.

God bless.

hoopLA was actually telling you that our righteousness according to the law is useless before GOD. That was what the pharisees were claiming, righteousness through tithing, washing of hands before eating and the rest.

That was what hoopLA meant. You know there is a righteousness according to the law which cannot atone for one's sin and there is a righteousness according to faith in christ JESUS. Hear what Apostle paul said here:

"Concerning zeal persecuting the church concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Phillipians 3:6

Bro are you sure you understand the Bible?

President Donald Trump discussed easing sanctions on Iran to help secure a meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani later this month, prompting then-National Security Advisor John Bolton to argue forcefully against such a step, according to three people familiar with the matter.

After an Oval Office meeting on Monday when the idea came up, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin voiced his support for the move as a way to restart negotiations with Iran, some of the people said. Later in the day, Trump decided to oust Bolton, whose departure was announced Tuesday.

The White House has started preparations for Trump to meet with Rouhani this month in New York on the sidelines of the annual United Nations General Assembly the week of Sept. 23, according to the people. It’s far from clear if the Iranians would agree to talks while tough American sanctions remain in place.

Trump told reporters at the White House that he’s “not looking at anything” with regard to a meeting with Rouhani, but indicated he may consider easing sanctions on Tehran to make it happen. “We’ll see what happens,” he said after he was asked about backing off the sanctions, adding that he does not desire “regime change” in Iran.

One scenario, shared by two of the people, would be that Trump joins a meeting between Rouhani and French President Emmanuel Macron. The people said they had no indication it would actually happen.

Brent oil prices fell more than 2% to $61.05 a barrel on the news.

While Trump has made no secret of his willingness to sit down with Iranian leaders -- a move that would break more than four decades of U.S. policy -- there are considerable political hurdles Trump would have to navigate if he wants it to happen. Nevertheless, Bolton’s ouster on Tuesday improves the odds of a meeting.

Bolton built his career on a hard-line approach toward Iran, long calling for preemptive strikes on the country to destroy its nuclear program. His sudden dismissal immediately fueled speculation -- and worry in some quarters -- that the U.S. “maximum pressure” campaign might ease in a bid to lure Iranian leaders to the negotiating table.

Easing any sanctions without major concessions from Iran would undercut the pressure campaign that not only Bolton, but also Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Trump have said is the only effective way to make Iran change its behavior.

America’s European allies, frustrated by Trump’s withdrawal from the 2015 nuclear accord and stymied by U.S. sanctions in their bid to trade with Iran, have been desperate to find a way to broker a deal between Washington and Tehran. Macron even invited Iran’s foreign minister, Javad Zarif, to talks on the sidelines of the Group of Seven summit in France last month and won verbal support from Trump for a sanctions reprieve. Then nothing happened.

“Bolton made sure to block any and all avenues for diplomacy w/ Iran, including a plan being brokered by Macron,” Suzanne DiMaggio, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said on Twitter. “The French are offering Trump a facing-saving way out of a mess of his creation. He should grab it.”

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-11/trump-rouhani-meeting-odds-improve-after-john-bolton-s-exit

Bilabong:
Vanity up on vanity

Beard is vanity. Any post na to dey shout vanity upon vanity now.

hoopLA:
Sorry but you bear the name Jesus but you hardly even know him

The root of Christ's message was love, first for God, then for fellow humans, regardless of whatever, even unto your enemies.
That is why he taught people against revenge.
More so, you are ignoring the fact that the Law became obsolete the minute Christ died as the perfect sacrifice for the redemption of man unto God.

You haven't answered my question about what tithing does for me post-resurrection.
Since you say Christ never condemned it.

The guy avoids question that's the problem i have with him. He hasn't answered any of the questions i have asked him so far and i did my best to answer his according to scriptures.

Sunofgod:
Nice publicity......take advantage of xenophobia to promote your airline!

Na wa ohh.....morality?

Why didn't you put down your own airplane in order to promote your airline. That's if you have motorcycle sef.
I'm a Yoruba man and may God bless that man and his generations yet unborn .

hoopLA:
I was going with your flow till you forgot to mention that the era in which Christ was speaking was that of the Law.

Till he died it was still in effect. So he couldn't outrightly condemn it.

But if you believe that Christ is the end of the Law, you cannot endorse tithing for any reason as it is, weightier matter or not.

Like the person you're responding to has said, you can never be justified by the works of the Law before God. Observing anything that is in the Law is negating the death and resurrection of Christ.

And why is Matthew 23:23 the only place where Christ ever mentions tithing? It's because he knew that it was only a matter of time before it would become obsolete, along with the ordinances of the law. Christ constantly berated the Pharisees for their inability to lead the people to true worship, instead placing several burdens on them,one of which was tithing. I believe you are also aware that in the old testament there were sections of people who weren't supposed to tithe. But the essence of tithing had been lost by these Pharisees who always insisted on it,even down to the tiniest of plants.

And if I may ask, to what purpose is paying of tithe to the follower of Christ, post-resurrection?.

Simple answer please.

"Till he died it was still in effect. So he couldn't outrightly condemn it."

Chai. I learnt another big thing today, I'll teach people this you have written. Thank you Hoopla. Remain blessed

jesusjnr:
You deliberately left out a part of that saying of Jesus concerning tithing, because that showed Jesus position about tithing and it would prove your idea wrong that Jesus was against tithing.

So that is also my position except you can show me where Jesus said as in the instance of divorce said it was wrong, I promise you that I would say the same.

God bless.

One thing about the law is you can't fulfill everything in it.
That means you can't be justified by it.

Gal 3:11 "That no man is justified by the law in the sight of GOD is evident, for the just shall live by faith."

The Pharisees seeks justification from the law by observing religious rituals and keeping of days which cannot amend the broken relationship between man and his maker. And and law itself is even a stumbling block because you can't fulfill all of it the pharisees in their sight felt they were right with GOD through their observance of the law so JESUS had to show them their hypocrisy by saying

"you pay a tithe of mint and anise and cummin and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone."

By saying this their hypocrisy was exposed because they were only paying the tithe of cumin and anise and have gelected the wieghtier matters which is mercy and faith. And he told them the ought to have done these too. By saying that, JESUS was able to establish the fact that the pharisees can't fulfill the whole law thereby perfection is not theirs. The pharisee always boast of perfection but JESUS exposed their hypocrisy there.

James 2:10 says " Whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."

I pray you see the truth here. The Holy Spirit will open your mind. This is the time the children of GOD need the word of GOD.

You don't answer my questions. I have asked many questions so far. E.g why did JESUS and the Apostles didn't preach or collect tithe, but you didn't answer me. If i open a church and start preaching and collecting tithe today scaring my members if they don't pay tithe that devourer would devour their health, finances does that mean i am greater than the MASTER who instituted the new covenant?

There are still rabbis in Israel today, they are adherents of judiasm. Do these people still tithe? Do they still offer sacrifices the way the old people do? Do they still stone adultrers and those who practice withcraft? The answer is NO. So why are Pastors around the world who are not jews still uphold the doctrine they and thier ancestors were never part of from the beginning? Nigeria and other parts of the world were gentile nations during the bible times.

Pastor EA Adeboye even said it that those who don't pay tithe won't make heaven. Are you okay with all of these?

GOD bless you jesusjnr

jesusjnr:
See bros I understand your anger in this regard because what these leaders do as such pains me greatly as well, but something I try as much as possible to do is not to allow their abuse of tithes to make me now denounce the whole thing as evil, and I would suggest you do the same.

But if you insist, I would ask you to show me just one place where Jesus denounced tithing in His teachings despite mentioning tithing several times?

Because Jesus outrightly denounced divorce, unforgiveness, covetousness, lusting, hypocrisy, false judgment, pride, and you can even add yours the list, so tell me why He never for once denounced tithing?

The only impression Jesus gave concerning tithing was that it was a lesser matter of the law, hence that it should not be overemphasized or placed above the more important things which was His main grouse with the Pharisees:

Matthew 23:23-24 (KJV)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

So that's exactly the same grouse we should have with church leaders like Oyedepo, as you've already illustrated with the example of the apostles, not collection of tithes.

If you knew me very well, you'd understand that I pay extra attention to anything that Jesus does or says, because I believe that Jesus was perfect and never made one single mistake, therefore the best chance anyone has to be likewise is to follow His example.

That's why I have chosen to go with Jesus on this matter, and not denounce tithing because such blind leaders abuse tithes and its purpose.

BTW I absolutely agree with the bolded of your write-up and say a big Amen to your prayer.

God bless.

JESUS didn't condemn tithing right? And Matt 23:23 is your justification hun?

Now let's take a look at the life of the scribes and pharisees. We all know how hypocritical and proud these people were even JESUS never agreed with them for once. Religious practices and rituals that have no life in them rule their lives they would accuse JESUS and his disciples for not eating with washed hands, they would accuse JESUS too for performing miracles on the sabbath and the rest.

JESUS was only exposing their hypocrisy in that Matt 23:23. Why would JESUS approve what the scribes and pharisees do? Blind leaders who led the blind. Why would HE approve what HE as an eternal preist was not even doing i mean the collection of tithe?

"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes" Rom 10:4

If you were in Israel during the days of JESUS will you follow the scribes and pharisee or JESUS? By tithing you are indirectly saying you go with the pharisee because JESUS said in that Matt 23:23 that woe to you scribe and pharisee for you pay a tithe of mint and anice. If yes that means eating with unwashed hands is sin under this new covenant, that means we don't have to pray for people on the sabbath because these were the doctrines of the pharisees.

Now if the author of the new covenant. The author and the finisher of our faith did not preach or collect tithe during his earthly ministry then why do Pastors keep preaching, emphasizing this old tithing doctrine. If the Apostles who recieved the baton from JESUS did not preach or collect tithe then why do modern day men of GOD preach this doctrine? or should we say these Pastors calling supersede that of JESUS and the Apostles?

Tithing was one of the instructions GOD gave to the people under the old covenant. Stoning of adultrers, witches or those who practise sorcery was one of it, stoning of disobedient children was one of it. Now since our Pastors preach tithe which was part of the old law then why are they not preaching the rest, why are they not stoning adultrers, witches. There was a time a branch pastor commited adultry in one of these mega churches why didn't the GO order the congregation to stone him according to the law that tithing was part of?

Or didn't James 2:10 says " Whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." ?

You are tithing yet you eat biscuit and egg roll with unwashed hands. You are tithing and you are not stoning adultrers according to the law. The fact that JESUS stopped those people from stoning that adultrous woman should tell you the law has been annulled. That was what JESUS was referring to in that Matt 23:23 by accusing the pharisee of rejecting mercy.

Let me stop here. I know you'll still counter this but the truth is in GOD's word and it stands forever. You either go for the truth or rubbish it because it's the truth.

jesusjnr:
See bros I understand your anger in this regard because what these leaders do as such pains me greatly as well, but something I try as much as possible to do is not to allow their abuse of tithes to make me now denounce the whole thing as evil, and I would suggest you do the same.

But if you insist, I would ask you to show me just one place where Jesus denounced tithing in His teachings despite mentioning tithing several times?

Because Jesus outrightly denounced divorce, unforgiveness, covetousness, lusting, hypocrisy, false judgment, pride, and you can even add yours the list, so tell me why He never for once denounced tithing?

The only impression Jesus gave concerning tithing was that it was a lesser matter of the law, hence that it should not be overemphasized or placed above the more important things which was His main grouse with the Pharisees:

Matthew 23:23-24 (KJV)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

So that's exactly the same grouse we should have with church leaders like Oyedepo, as you've already illustrated with the example of the apostles, not collection of tithes.

If you knew me very well, you'd understand that I pay extra attention to anything that Jesus does or says, because I believe that Jesus was perfect and never made one single mistake, therefore the best chance anyone has to be likewise is to follow His example.

That's why I have chosen to go with Jesus on this matter, and not denounce tithing because such blind leaders abuse tithes and its purpose.

BTW I absolutely agree with the bolded of your write-up and say a big Amen to your prayer.

God bless.

JESUS didn't condemn tithing right? And Matt 23:23 is your justification hun?

Now let's take a look at the life of the scribes and pharisees. We all know how hypocritical and proud these people were even JESUS never agreed with them for once. Religious practices and rituals that have no life in them rule their lives they would accuse JESUS and his disciples for not eating with washed hands, they would accuse JESUS too for performing miracles on the sabbath and the rest.

JESUS was only exposing their hypocrisy in that Matt 23:23. Why would JESUS approve what the scribes and pharisees do? Blind leaders who led the blind. Why would HE approve what HE as an eternal preist was not even doing i mean the collection of tithe?

"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes" Rom 10:4

If you were in Israel during the days of JESUS will you follow the scribes and pharisee or JESUS? By tithing you are indirectly saying you go with the pharisee because JESUS said in that Matt 23:23 that woe to you scribe and pharisee for you pay a tithe of mint and anice. If yes that means eating with unwashed hands is sin under this new covenant, that means we don't have to pray for people on the sabbath because these were the doctrines of the pharisees.

Now if the author of the new covenant. The author and the finisher of our faith did not preach or collect tithe during his earthly ministry then why do Pastors keep preaching, emphasizing this old tithing doctrine. If the Apostles who recieved the baton from JESUS did not preach or collect tithe then why do modern day men of GOD preach this doctrine? or should we say these Pastors calling supersede that of JESUS and the Apostles?

Tithing was one of the instructions GOD gave to the people under the old covenant. Stoning of adultrers, witches or those who practise sorcery was one of it, stoning of disobedient children was one of it. Now since our Pastors preach tithe which was part of the old law then why are they not preaching the rest, why are they not stoning adultrers, witches. There was a time a branch pastor commited adultry in one of these mega churches why didn't the GO order the congregation to stone him according to the law that tithing was part of?

Let me stop here. I know you'll still counter this but the truth is in GOD's word and it stands forever. You either go for the truth or rubbish it because it's the truth.

Really? And that GOD is hungry to give you a big hug.

OkCornel:
So Job's attack and restoration had nothing to do with tithing yeah?

And by the way, why didn't Bishop's faithful tithing plan prevent Faith from being ill for a while?

OkCornel i really admire the intelligence you keep displaying on this forum. I'll advice you to Ignore that Templar guy.

In all these things we are more than conquerors continue to rest in the fair sunlight of God's presence.

Him dey discuss Brexit or wetin?
My chest

You see

US should do away with her pride by removing all sanctions the pressure strategy isn't producing its desired result. Sanction has become a toy in the hands of America, they would even sanction any country that gets sophisticated weapons from Russia.

Trump does not want to appear as the loser that's why he keeps insisting on talks without preconditions. It's now glaring that the Iranians are stubborn and i know Trump is regretting his decisions. Iran has a good card to play and it is playing it well, more increase in centrifuges means it is inching towards getting nuclear weapons and the truth is US won't do anything.

That is what you get when you allow a foreign country like Isreal to dictate your foreign policy.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump could meet with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani at the upcoming United Nations meeting, with “no preconditions.”

Pompeo made the comments at a news briefing to unveil new sanctions on groups including Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

“He is prepared to meet with no preconditions,” Pompeo said when asked about the possibility of a meeting at the U.N. General Assembly later this month, echoing comments Trump made on Monday.

The Trump administration is executing what it calls a “maximum-pressure” campaign to curtail any work by Iran toward developing nuclear weapons, using diplomatic and economic measures such as sanctions.

Trump’s abrupt firing of his national security adviser, John Bolton, indicates that the pressure strategy is failing, an adviser to Rouhani wrote in a tweet on Tuesday.

Rouhani has said Iran, which denies seeking nuclear weapons, would not talk to the United States until Washington lifted the sanctions it had reimposed on Tehran after pulling out of a 2015 nuclear deal. But the White House has held firm on not conducting talks with preset conditions.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-un/us-president-trump-could-meet-with-irans-rouhani-at-un-with-no-preconditions-pompeo-idUSKCN1VV2D7

freemanbubble:
Infinix and thier bunch of crap shitt

They keep on rolling out substandard shittt every time.

I repeat
If you want to buy a phone!
Abeg just save enough and try afford Samsung, Nokia or iPhone

But if you nor fit wait make your money mature
Then buy Huawei

Make una nor talk say i nor warn una

Remember your country has not been able to produce any phone? If your country starts producing their own shit as you have said that is when we will have the moral ground to attack any phone producer outside the continent. Thank GOD for Infinix and others not all Nigerians can afford Iphone, Samsung that you have mentioned. These countries keep making giant strides you are here criticizing what your country can not produce.

Lolz. Am i dreaming? Trump and Bolton must have had a disagreement over the Iranian nuclear issue Where did Iran do this charm?

The Holy land killed him.

Ok it is Zuluphobic agreed.

Ikennablue:
mehn...
Be carefull what you say. He's a man of God

I didn't insult anyone there. Just remembered that parable