Sahara Reporters have recanted their story.The apartment the money was found is not Esther's

Bollinger:


Why you mumu naa. Germany took loans up to 1.5 billion dollars for the reconstruction of the country. Even a s.tupid man will know that America did not single handedly fix the country. Are we that rich? Haba. If you go Google, try do am well na. And yes, the crux of the debate is about your inability to see and compare yourselves with normalcy. You all always want and need justification on why your lives are miserable. Carry on.

Go assimilate all I'd taught you.
You may show gratitude later for the lessoning.

Bollinger:


So, basically you've just repeated what i already said before. Nice comeback . Anyway, take your re.tarded mind back to the recent Greek crisis. Do you know what one of the excuses that Greece used to defend their default on loans? They said that if Germany didn't pay back a large chunk of the funds given to them for their restructuring then they also have a right to default. It is a well known fact which every normal educated person know. Una go just de type rubbish because you think google will give you all the answers. And bros, my life and lifestyle will leave you in tears because you'll realize how hopeless yours is . Leave Aba and explore the world and your perception will evolve.

Your idiocy takes the cake.
You were comparing individually built up,postwar, Onitsha with postwar Germany and I educated you to the fact that the United States built back the destroyed infrastructure in Germany,with their Marshall Plan.Something you,the "travelled around" village man didn't know.You tried to wing it by saying they borrowed loans and funds.Now you're trying to wiggle out by pointing to the Greeks?.
Dude,better you had kept quiet and be thought a fool than to have typed and removed every scintilla of doubt.
BTW,Greece never tried to justify loan default by pointing at any nation's infrastructure fund,the bulk of the bailout they were taking/took,cams from Germany,Europe's economic powerhouse.
And lest you think you've muddied the waters,the crux of debate here is you comparing Germany,"rebuilt"by the United States and the Eastern region,being built back through individual efforts,while your Nigerian so-called 3R's built Lagos,Abuja and elsewhere that never even saw a mortar launched

Bollinger:


What are you saying? Why you mumu like this na? Yes Germany had to get loans and funds from different countries to build up the country. Nigeria has gotten loans and funds from different countries as well. Plus, from the world bank, IMF, and it even has oil. What have they done with it? Germany built up it's country to what it is today and more importantly, are able to maintain it. Nigeria cannot even maintain a university hostel's toilet. Think before you post rubbish.

You just exposed yourself as an untravelled ignoramus.The Marshall Plan wasn't any loan,it was a coordinated plan,thought out and put in place by then Secretary of State George Marshall,to rebuild Europe especially Germany.No less than $50b of then money,was sunk into it.Imagine the value of that now.
Nigeria has gotten loans,bla bla.... Has any of it been dedicated to rebuilding destroyed infrastructure in the Eastern region?.
Rather what your Nigeria did was built up Lagos and then,to top it,built a brand new capital,from scratch,in Abuja.Sinking funds meant for elsewhere into it.
Dude,you know nothing.You haven't even travelled out of your enclave yet,only to your state capital and then Lagos,all your life.Dare not argue what you're wholly ignorant of,in the name of serving foolish tribal pride,or I'll be tempted to use you wipe the ground on this thread.
Germany got loans and funds,indeed

Bollinger:


Lol. Keep making excuses. Germany was reduced to more than rubble after WW2. The whole country. I say again, not one region but the whole country. It was decimated completely. Why is it that they were able to turn the country into one of the cleanest and most beautiful countries in the world. Or are you saying they are superior to you? Face reality my brain dead neanderthal. Majority of Nigerians are no different from cavemen who do not know how to function in the modern world. You guys are still burning people in the streets, littering uncontrollably, looting yourselves blind and the funny thing is, you keep burying your heads in the sand and making excuses to make yourselves feel better. Carry on. What a people. Smh

Ever heard of the Marshall Plan and the billions of dollars it cost to rebuild Germany then?.
Nigeria's own 3R's ended up building up Lagos,rather than the areas devastated by war.
You are the green-eyed caveman here

obailala:
Apparently, it's still an ambiguous section, hence why it's still being debated by some. When the constitution is reviewed and that area updated to clarify it in black and white, no one would bother debating it anymore, neither will any one bother taking the matter to court.

Nothing ambiguous about the section,it's as clear as the noonday.
Personal staff,Perm secs and executive heads of departments without tenure get appointed without confirmation,They serve at the pleasure of the president.Ambassadors and ministers are,however,subject to confirmation.They don't just serve the president,but the nation as well.
Heads of agencies set up by law,however,does not come under purview of the section.They get covered by their establishment Acts and have tenure.
The president just nominated members of CBN board for confirmation this evening,under the CBN Establishment Act.
Like I said in my initial post,simple Govt 101 and your VP flunked it.
Not gonna say much on that perpetual job seeker,Femi Falana.

obailala:
Was the decision on this very case? Didnt know this particular case had been taken to court and judgement passed.

Stop being intentionally obtuse.
The case was about executive appointments,barring those personal staff listed in section 171,and the need for Senate confirmation and the courts have answered that in the affirmative

obailala:
Like I said earlier, I'm not a lawyer and don't understand these things. But if there are 2 arguments on this matter, no need for the name-callings and 'I-know-it-all' stance, the court should be allowed to decide. If it was clearly conveyed in the constitution, no 'stupid' lawyers would raise their heads against it... Meanwhile it is because there are numerous of such loopholes in the constitution begging for interpretation, that is why no single 'big man' ever gets convicted in Nigeria especially because they have the (stolen) resources to hire several SANs to come dig-up such loopholes to their benefit.

And yeah, lest I forget, it is the duty of the NASS to make these things clearer in the constitution; it is their job to clear the ambiguity.

The courts had already decided.Or you didn't see the case law he laid before you?

gabi87:



What about where head of agencies was mentioned in the constitution?

The EFCC,as an agency,was unknown to the Constitution until it was setup by the NASS via their lawmaking powers.
Same as ICPC,NDDC,CBN.These few agencies I mentioned all go through confirmation process for their principals,cos that's what their enabling laws say.
Let me quote the said Chapter 6,Part 1,Section 171.
I'm sure you can read and comprehend well,so nobody confuses you.
To wit:
Section 171
(1) Power to appoint persons to hold or act in the offices to which this section applies and to remove persons so appointed from any such office shall vest in the President.

(2) The offices to which this section applies are, namely ¬
(a) Secretary to the Government of the Federation;
(b) Head of the Civil Service of the Federation;
(c) Ambassador, High Commissioner or other Principal Representative of Nigeria abroad;
(d) Permanent Secretary in any Ministry or Head of any Extra-Ministerial Department of the Government of the Federation howsoever designated; and
(e) any office on the personal staff of the President.


(3) An appointment to the office of the Head of the Civil Service of the Federation shall not be made except from among Permanent Secretaries or equivalent rank in the civil service of the Federation or of a State.

(4) An appointment to the office of Ambassador, High Commissioner or other Principal Representative of Nigeria abroad shall not have effect unless the appointment is confirmed by the Senate.

(5) In exercising his powers of appointment under this section, the President shall have regard to the federal character of Nigeria and the need to promote national unity.

(6) Any appointment made pursuant to paragraphs (a) and (e) of subsection (2) of this section shall be at the pleasure of the President and shall cease when the President ceases to hold office; Provided that where a person has been appointed from a public service of the Federation or a State, he shall be entitled to return to the public service of the Federation or of the State when the President ceases to hold


Note: The EFCC is not listed anywhere here nor is it an Extra-Ministerial Department,and subsection 2 is quite particular that this section applies only to the offices listed therein

The EFCC Act is a subsidiary legislation to the Constitution,it does not in any way conflict with Constitutional provisions.Nowhere in the Constitution is there mention of EFCC,how it's to be structured and its leadership appointed.That part came under lawmaking powers of the NASS.
Simple Govt 101 and our VP failed it.
I wonder which law school the VP and Falana attended and what grades they came out with.

Modified.

For all the zombots proudly displaying unconscionable ignorance here:

Section 171
(1) Power to appoint persons to hold or act in the offices to which this section applies and to remove persons so appointed from any such office shall vest in the President.

(2) The offices to which this section applies are, namely ¬
(a) Secretary to the Government of the Federation;
(b) Head of the Civil Service of the Federation;
(c) Ambassador, High Commissioner or other Principal Representative of Nigeria abroad;
(d) Permanent Secretary in any Ministry or Head of any Extra-Ministerial Department of the Government of the Federation howsoever designated; and
(e) any office on the personal staff of the President.

(3) An appointment to the office of the Head of the Civil Service of the Federation shall not be made except from among Permanent Secretaries or equivalent rank in the civil service of the Federation or of a State.

(4) An appointment to the office of Ambassador, High Commissioner or other Principal Representative of Nigeria abroad shall not have effect unless the appointment is confirmed by the Senate.

(5) In exercising his powers of appointment under this section, the President shall have regard to the federal character of Nigeria and the need to promote national unity.

(6) Any appointment made pursuant to paragraphs (a) and (e) of subsection (2) of this section shall be at the pleasure of the President and shall cease when the President ceases to hold office; Provided that where a person has been appointed from a public service of the Federation or a State, he shall be entitled to return to the public service of the Federation or of the State when the President ceases to hold

Note: Subsection 2 specify the offices this section applies to.Agencies set up by law are not listed.
The EFCC,and sister agencies like CBN,NDDC and ICPC,are not captured here.They're not Extra-Ministerial departments, as Falana erroneously supposed,but autonomous agencies.
They do not come under the supervision of any ministry like,say Customs or FIRS.

Also
this:

ehissi:


 If the enabling act that creates EFCC and determines who and how the Chairman is appointed and should operate, what stops the Chairman of the EFCC from disregarding every other clause as contained in the EFCC act. After all, they are Inferior to the constitution.

Stupid lawyers arguing with themselves in a mirror.......

I am not even a lawyer but it pains me when a lawyer is willing to stand truth on its head for political gain.....

This matter has already been duly resolved in the case of Festus Keyamo VS President and 4ORS. That judgement gave a clear interpretation on what Federal government shouldnt do with respect to appointment.

The Federal government under President Jonathan and previous administrations used to abuse this provision of the Constitution to appoint service Chiefs for military but keyamo was able to challenge this because the enabling acts establishing the armed forces require confirmation from the NASS for such persons to operate in full capacity. Hence, until they are confirmed by the NASS, they are declared as Acting-Chiefs/Heads/Chairman.


The Constitution allows him to be appointed without recourse to the National Assembly, but the enabling act of the EFCC - that creates the EFCC and well as determines the scope and powers of it operation - does not allow him to operate as Chairman without Confirmation from the National Assembly and that is why he is called the "Acting-Chairman" and not Chairman of the EFCC.

They are free to lie to themselves and Zombies alike but that doesnt change the truth.........


http://icirnigeria.org/keyamo-to-sue-jonathan-mark-over-illegal-appointment-of-service-chiefs/


Also, the Senate House rules, that guides their conduct and operations doesnt permit the Senate to consider Magu for the Job of EFCC Chairman, which explains why they are not even planning on sending Magu back to the Senate.


Order 131 of the Senate Rules states that, ”nominations neither confirmed nor rejected during the session or within 21 working days in the case of ministerial nominees shall be returned by the Clerk to the National Assembly to the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and shall not again be made to the Senate by the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria"

Magu can be considered for confirmation for any other Job except that of EFCC chairman. So they are free to say whatever suits them, the law is clear

10gigawatts of electricity,when they're yet to clock 5,000megawatts?. Truly,this is a delusional government

niyisky:
Don't mind ffk. A southerner had been the minister of finance since the return of democracy. From Ngozi to Kemi, what do ffk have to say about that. Currently a southerner is a super minister in this admininstion, Firs is headed by a southerner and many more... Femi should just shut the hell up.

I didn't know Shamsudeen Usman and Mansur Mukhtar were southerners during their tenures.
Thanks so much for shedding light on that
Oh,Esther Nenadi Usman too.
She's from Anambra,right?

SilvanusII:


LMAO!!! Our resident stalker from KD. I find you here, living up to your name as jobless, obsessed and amusingly uninformed. Why not spend all that time u monitor ur betters with being actually productive, like actually READING?

http://www.behindthename.com/name/dada/comments/history

http://dailymail.com.ng/history-reigns-alaafins-oyo/

http://ooduarere.com/news-from-nigeria/breaking-news/the-alaafin-of-oyo-iku-baba-yeye-alase-keji-orisa/2/

Stalker from where?.
Are you smoking wet weed or something?.
I asked you what version of history you've been reading and you supply me with unreliable sites?.
daily mail.com.ng,ooduarere.com?.WTH are those?.
If this is a measure of your education,then I'm afraid you got cheated.See if you can gain what fees you paid for it back.

SilvanusII:


If only u mattered in the general scheme of things. Sadly u don't. I mean, I don't even know you. But you must be pretty daft to think having more than name started with ur generation. Ajaka carried dreadlocks and became a 'dada' by default (oruko amutorunwa). Don't be touting ur ignorance.

I expected you to live up to your post history as an uncouth fellow and you didn't disappoint.
Indeed,Ajaka "carried dreadlocks" and Sango was born with shuku.
Who's made-up history have you been reading/listening to?

SilvanusII:


I am seeing similarities between Sango and his brother Dada who was a king ('Igwe' anyone?) here. We've got a yoruba expression 'Dada cannot fight, but he's got a brother who defends him'

So the airhead finally learnt something that made sense in school.
Thank God o
BTW,when did Ajaka become known as Dada?

What gay agenda?.
Africa has always had gays from dawn of time,yet I've read of no pre-colonial African culture that so obsess about them as we now do.
Free them,abeg.
Live your own life,let them live theirs.
What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes shouldn't be anybody's problem,but theirs.
We have too many problems facing us here,gays are the very least of them,if even they are a problem.

Alariwo2:


Biafra didn't produce anything during the war, stop deceiving yourself.
Everything biafrans used were bought with Naira including Mercenaries from SA, France etc. before Awo devalued it and biafra could no longer purchase anything

Those weapons were antiques brought in through the same route Ojukwu fled with

All these unteachable naira land children.Was there anything like naira during that time?.
You're yet to pass JAMB,shouldn't you be facing that now?

STUPID PEOPLE: You can't scrap the SENATE and NATIONAL ASSEMBLY Because without them u are back to a dictatorship. What you should really be saying is BAN THE APC LEGISLATORS. but u are too afraid So u rather advocate for the destruction of a pillar of democracy than the party that is destroying it. The SENATE and NATIONAL ASSEMBLY aren't the problem, it's the men that occupy it that are the problem. All this jobbers talking about scrap the NASS, you stupid ni?

https://free.facebook.com/seun.kuti1?fref=nf&pn_ref=story&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.10208583861623015%3Atl_objid.10208583861623015%3Athid.1503400004%3A306061129499414%3A2%3A0%3A1491029999%3A3793434856665112501&__tn__=C

Foolishness.
You can't abolish the Senate,unless you unitarize Nigeria.The Senate represents the federating units,while the House represents the people.
People should get educated before making fools of themselves.

Foolishness.
You can't abolish the Senate,unless you unitarize Nigeria.The Senate represents the federating units,while the House represents the people.
People should get educated before making fools of themselves.

escapefromusa:


There is a region in the Nigerian constitution known as the south south.

Abeg,which chapter,section and sub-section of this your "Nigerian constitution" is this so-called region contained in?

BattleofBritain:
Nkpologwu, Amorka are not in Anambra state, pls op edit your post.

Nkpologwu and Amorka are in Anambra state.
Being part of Orlu diocese is a religious thing,not state issue

ChinenyeN:
If it were simply my persona, then all you (general you, not personal you) would have had to say is that I simply have no interest in taking sides.

"The man died in he who keeps silent in the face of tyranny" - Wole Soyinka.

If you understand that quote and whence it came from,then you would have known what his "claim"(right word is allegation) is about.
Not all this you twisting yourself in a pretzel.

ChinenyeN:
The claim is that I neither can, nor am will nor am able to do certain things. To speak in support of that claim, but yet have no idea what I do in real life, or personally or what I am involved in, is essentially lying. So, yes, knowing me personally is part of the point. Or, better said, it is not a point you can simply ignore as you try to make your case, because then you would actually not be in a position to speak up for my ability or inability to do certain things, as has been claimed in this thread.

Dhugal:

Beyond NL.
And you're much the same as the nairaland persona.

Read.Comprehend.Assimilate

ChinenyeN:


You know me? As in, personally know me?

Beyond NL.
And you're much the same as the nairaland persona.
Personally knowing you isn't the point here though,but your history here,the positions you'd taken over the years.

RedboneSmith:


Dia = Stand firm.

Di ya = Is, exists.

That's why I said a little stretched. Emphasis on 'little'. It isn't an exact fit. Of course, you closed your eyes to the "little" because you love to go back and forth.

And the other guy jumped on 'Is there' which I actually only placed beside 'exist' for clarity because he too loves to go back and forth.

*sigh*

You're a gift that just keeps giving.
Dia/ Di ya............................................
It's bad ton taking candy from a child,even one asking for it as you keep doing,so I'll let it be.
Even Chinenye up there will tell you how you goofed splitting hair.
I'll advise you go to bed and sleep off whatever this is that has what's supposed to be a brilliant mind befuddled.

RedboneSmith:


Really? 'Exists, Is there'. Is this nonsense nit-picking because you wish to have the last word?

Oya, I give you. Take.

Stands firm,Is unshaken,Exists...............
You started the nit picking, he just helped you out

ChinenyeN:


You don't know anything about me outside of my posts on NL. It would be dumb of you to take yourself seriously in claiming what I can and cannot do or what I am and am not willing to do, when you can't claim to know me nor what I am involved in outside of NL.

Oh,s'neck up ChinenyeN.
I do know you,and bigfrancis21 called it just right.
Just stick to issues concerning your Ngwa tribe,which you know little about,btw,outside the theoretical.

RedboneSmith:


Not relevant. The point is it is not the same expression as Ogbe nmu dein. And the relation with Ogbe mu di ya (my district exists/is there) is a little stretched.

Stretched?

*sigh*

Dude,you do try some.I give you that,but most times...............

Okay,you are not worth all I was about to type so I'm walking away.

Try and get some sleep,maybe you'll wake with a clearer head than the befuddled one you work with right now.

RedboneSmith:


It was not a side remark. It was a general observation on a trend. Nowadays I try to quote you people as few times as possible so as not to be sucked into long and tiring conversations with people who don't know what they are talking about. Thanks.


[One more evidence that you don't know what you are talking about as far as Ika matters are concerned.

Ogbemudia is a Bini name and means My family/foundation stands firm. It is not the same word as Ogbe nmu dein which means the royal quarter, or literally, the quarter of the descendants of dein (king). Please try and remain in familiar territory, i.e., Enugu-Ukwu history and stop jumping out of your depth. ]

You do realize Ogbemudia mean same thing in Igbo too,don't you?.
Ogbe mu di a/ya.

BTW,you were given that advice first.You should live it before dishing it out.

RedboneSmith:


Sigh.

If you had translated 'Ime Obi' for me, it would have aided this discussion. The 'obi' in 'Ime Obi' is not a person, is not 'a king'; it is a geographical location, and that is a very relevant point to note in all this. But I will come back to that.

Now to Ovbie. As far as I can ascertain, there is no word like that in Bini. The word is Ovbi, and it has nothing to do with kingship. It means child; no connotations of royalty whatsoever.

Ovie is not a corruption of this Ovbie (which is not even a true word to begin with; like I said the word is Ovbi.) Rather Ovie in Urhobo/Isoko is cognate with Ogie in Bini and Ojie/Oje in Esan. They all mean the same thing. Ovbie/Ovbi is not in the picture at all.

Note that I said 'cognate'. There was no borrowing involved. All these languages are related (Edoid languages), and as such inherited certain words in common from their common ancestor language (Proto-Edoid). Of course due to the linguistic phenomenon of sound shifts over the course of centuries, the 'j' in the Esan version of the word now varies as 'g' in Bini and 'v' in Urhobo and Isoko.


Coming to Obi. Based on this, if you want to claim that Obi came from Bini, then ovbi (child) is a very very weird source --- it did not even serve as the source in the Ovie example as you thought.

An Igbo origin for Obi is most plausible, although I will still give Anioma (more specifically Aniocha) credit for semantic innovation in the way the word came to be used in the Anioma area.

'Obi' (same intonation, same everything with Anioma 'Obi' ) in Igboland means the central building or court from which the head of a household, or the head of a kindred or a quarter or a clan lords it over his dependents. In loose terms, 'Obi' is a palace. Seeing any relationship with kingship yet? Referring to someone by something it is closely associated with is a common metonymic device, eg. Pharaoh = Great House.

When you understand that 'Obi' started out as a fixed place/location before it became a person, 'Ime Obi' begins to make sense.

Thank you.
Was about responding to his twists when I saw your reply.

Probz:
Yup, I agree.

I'm really starting to believe you're not Igbo as you claimed.
Pray tell,how did that Ika video sound alien to you?.
Even the Benin guy agree it's intelligible, but try to lay that on Otolokpo being close to Enuani.