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Biafra will come with coalition of the willing.Many minority groups have indicated interest but the Igbos can go alone 100%
Do a referendum and we will know that's why we are calling for referendum and not Biafra at this time. If referendum fails then it will be known but you and I know the only outcome

Area4Area:
How can you be talking of getting your Biafra with an IF? This to me doesn't show any seriousness on your part, what IF that your hope is quickly dashed and it starts to hunt you?
I guess you'd start another IF

I said what IF!

Area4Area:
Before you move to the SS, when has the SE told you they want out, did you have a meeting with them, when and where?

Igbos will not take Niger Delta that's not Igbo land unless they want to join us.
GEJ is not Igbo but he loved the Igbos and you know love is reciprocal.
Our destiny is not built around oil besides there is oil in Imo and Abia state!

0monnak0da:
This is just naive and dishonest

Where was this Igbo bitterness whilst GEJ was in power?
You naively believe there would be a clean break from Nigeria without taking the Niger Delta?
You do not see the loss of the Niger Delta as punishing the North?
You expect them to just roll over?

Sir there is no way that dream can happen peacefully
Rather I see a genocidal war ending with the reintroduction of colonial powers in the region

Once again regretfully I must say you are talking like a child
That scenario would cost tens of millions of lives and is very irresponsible.
It is not my job to change you
So when you are ready start the war

I already agreed that why I say Ok. Stop being emotional!

Area4Area:
Agree first that yes made a mistake of merging Indonesia and Singapore as one country, no apologies.
This is the same thing you carry into national politics and have been having your fingers burnt since 2015, always too proud to apologise even when you know you were wrong.

If we declared Biafra, this people you say dont care will be the one to start problems!

Area4Area:
Nobody begged you to tell anyone, do your thing first.

What if some minorities say they want to be part of Biafra? Those Igbos in other parts of Nigeria, there will give period of transition probably 5yrs so everything can be negotiated, it mustn't be war. Or we can have a confederation but we cannot allow Nigeria to remain as it is currently structured, it helps no one, not even the Hausa-Fulanis

Area4Area:
Getting a Biafra is a good cause but it must be done in a way not to hurt millions of Igbo lives on the line, I can bet that majority of Igbos on nairaland do not stay in Igboland, have you asked yourself about their fate when they'd be declared foreigners and made to go back to Biafra to get their papers and visas to reenter Nigeria?
Do you realise that your Biafra would be majorly the present SE and the SS minorities would've been stripped off Biafra?
You'd be surrounded by Nigeria and she determines what comes in and goes out of Biafra?

We do not see seccession as punishment to Nigerians, not at all. In fact we have the potential of loosing a lot of investment so the decision is not being taken lightly. In actual fact Igbos are being punished for the civil war till tomorrow and it's the treatment that made the current Igbo man who wasnt born during the war bitter. Inspite of that they are more integrated in all parts of Nigeria than any other group. Secession for us will make us swift in pursuing a particular part of progress. We are ok with restructuring but other are unwilling, what we see as urgent, others dont see the urgency, that the difference!

0monnak0da:
I am sorry if it is an insult. But exactly what I mean when I say you reason like children is your fixation on wrong and injustice rather than a solution with a plan that can actually work.

Yoruba do not have to explain themselves to you
We do not see you as rational actors .
Take your statement that in 2023 you will rather have a Fulani than Yoruba president?
This would make sense if it would help you achieve your goals. It is a childish petulant posture.
We see you like the biblical woman who would rather have the baby cut in two than for her neighbour' to keep the baby
We are not pursuing restructuring because we hate Fulani or seek revenge.
We believe that it is to our benefit

You folk are motivated by bitterness
You somehow see secession as a way of punishing Nigeria and would like very much to see Hausa and Yoruba on their knees

This clouds your sense of reality.
The Nigeria we want will take a long time but we will get there.
After that we can think of Biafra etc but that is a 50 year project


The question is how to conduct affairs in the meantime

Stay disciplined and patient or do an Nnamdi Kanu to get noticed

Others seems to be concerned so I'm telling them to chart their own destiny. Nigeria is a mere geographical expression where oil and water cannot mix

Area4Area:
Go for what you want and stop involving others or begging them to chart any self determination, if you need a war, declare it fast

Ok..so how is Malaysia and Singapore today? If Singapore had stayed what would have become of them? Sometimes you need to chart your own destiny to prosper!

Area4Area:
Singapore, Malaysia both were granted independence by the Brits, both decided to form a single country because Singapore felt they were so small to stand alone and also because of a common defense with a bigger country, Malaysia.
After some ideological differences which couldn't be sorted out after some years of being together, the union was dissolved.

Indonesia had earlier proclaimed its independence from the Dutch years before and was never a part of the union

You dont mean to insult but you insulted, no wahala.
Concerning restructuring which is better than nothing, Southwesterners were the biggest proponents of restructuring in the late 90s and early 2000s. Igbos were talking Biafra through massob then but immediately Igbos embrace restructuring move which started from the 2014 confab, Yorubas who were advocates of restructuring started withdrawing and telling everyone that restructuring is of the mind. Now that the Yorubas are largely in the government, how far with restructuring? Let's be honest with ourselves!

0monnak0da:
Honestly I sincerely do not mean to insult you but you reason, not just you many Biafra advocates, like children.

Why were you not saying all this before GEJ lost.?
You will not rouse Yoruba into a foolish misadventure with your twisted sophistry .
Even if you believe all that nonsense you need to learn how to edit what you say.
We are disciplined and patient . So we can wait another 50 years.
Whereas you lack patience and will always act impulsively like Nnamdi Kanu and Ojukwu


Our strategy is to avoid war and if your strategy is war then you are our enemies
It is that stark.

For now as far as we are concerned restructuring is the only game in town.
No one is leaving peacefully
So if you have any sense either align with restructuring or prepare for war.

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If you're an Easterner then you need to understand your people. We are not trying to leave Nigeria out of hatred, No! Its because Nigeria promotes mediocrity, injustice and lack of equity. We cannot become a developed nation like Europe and US , Canada if we maintain the status quo. Dont you have national ambition?

Area4Area:
Direct your hate to the appropriate quarters please, I know some of you hate to hear facts even from your own but who cares.

It's a matter of time!

Area4Area:
Stop the threats about the next war and start it off already.

What happened in Ore was because the military government situated in Lagos first attacked Biafra so Biafrans were taking the war to Gowon to remove him. Ofcourse there will be resistance.
They did not shoot civilians, w
Did they?
Now you have spoken your mind on not wanting Biafra as not necessarily the issue of building bridges but your fear of the aftermath. Why not chart your own determination? Nigeria is a mere geographical expression and as such a nation cannot come out of it in a million years. Unless you have accepted that you ok with the way Nigeria is for a long time because it's only gonna get worse. Where is your ambition? Dont you want to stay in a country that will someday be referred to as a developed country? Nigeria cannt achieve this forever to why stay on this ship?
Niger Delta you say you are protecting? Is it Imo or Abia or Anioma that part on Niger Delta? Niger Delta will be the first to leave after Biafra!

0monnak0da:
What happened in Ore ?Lagos?

We are committed to Nigeria .
If Nigeria must end it MUST be replaced with something better in terms of peace and security
Not chaos which is what UPON want

Biafra achieved by force would mean endless war on our door step.
We know that Biafa will seek to annex the Niger Delta

We will not permit that .
Biafra in our view is at BEST a 50 year project if done politically
It might be quicker if done by force but you have a 50 50 chance of success and a very high cost if you fail

An Igbo man has never killed a Yoruba man either in the SE, SW or anywhere in Nigeria. Biafra war was for self preservation! Mention a time where you heard Igbo man kill a Yoruba, so I dont understand why you feel we will fire a shot at Yorubas when no history supports this. We are not your enemy in reality!

0monnak0da:
What is the way forward?
All that talk will not result in Biafra

All this talk is empty and impotent

What is the plan?
War?

Why not tell us the history? You want to behave like INEC that said result is fake without producing the original. Tell us the history!

Area4Area:
Just see how you just bastardized the history of two countries, why not stick to what you have a full knowledge about?

I was in Egypt in 2016, 25 Christians were killed in a bomb attack!

Taba21:
Have you been to Egypt before and how long did you stay?

We would suffer but bounce back again just like Germany and Isreal.
But Nigeria surviving another civil war? After what you did to the useful tools(middle belt) after the first civil war? They won't join you this time! We have lot of Igbos in SW so definitely SW will also be a theater of war. You should be afraid more due to the high level of foreigners in SW! Igbos will survive, we always do!

0monnak0da:
They held out for so long because Nigeria gave them food for over a year. This time that would never happen.

Here is the problem with you.
You talk so much about injustice without a practical way forward.
Outrage is not a plan
You will suffer heavily without Yoruba support if you go to war.
You need to think more long term but sadly as a group you lack discipline
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By their fruits we shall know them. You have not hidden you hatred for Igbos! But to be a coward for not defending your hatred but denying it is pathetic!
Btw I cannot hate my people!

Area4Area:
Tell us you hate Igbos and stop ascribing that hate and bile in you for the Igbos to me.

Bokoharam is retribution for the 1966 Pogrom.

BuhariAdvocate:
So sad.

What is at stake? Bubu gave visa free entrance to Fulanis from North Africa? Before they will get to East they would have flooded West! They know they are not compatible with SE so they wouldn't even come there. Or what else is happening?
You seem to downplay the strength of Igbos,
you forgot the rest of Nigeria fought Biafra
for 3 yrs with the support of UK, US, Russia, Egypt? If not the Biafrans would have defeated Nigeria. Igbos are the second largest group in Nigeria so talking about relocation is impossible!

0monnak0da:
That Nigeria implodes will not neccessarily mean the birth of Biafra
It could however mean permanent or long term evacuation of Igboland and replacement with others

When I listen to some of you I cringe
You guys do not understand what is at stake.
If you did you would be very humble right now.

Bokoharam is retribution for the 1966 pogroms that led to the civil war. In other words, Bokoharam is a continuation of the civil war.

It is said that no nation survives a second civil war so history is in our favour. If there is a war this time Biafra will succeed because America already has concerns about the Christians being killed and the ethnic cleansing going on in Nigeria. Even the Europeans too, and I'm sure Isreal will offer more support. There are a lot of Yorubas who are also Igbos due to inter-marriages so it will not be as easy for Yorubas to align with hausas to kill Igbos like 1967. We also have a lot of Igbos in the diaspora that will do everything possible to support to the fullest.Biafra will be restored no doubt, it's a matter of time! The longer and harder you push the Igbos away, the closer to Biafra they get

0monnak0da:
Well how you achieve Biafra is your choice. I am not one of you
Just know that if you try violence the Yoruba will do what they did in 1967.
So better prepare well this time
Nations do not always implode because there are disgruntled minorities whether in the USA Russia China Australia etc
Just cause does not always translate into justice
Even if there is a violent implosion you might be the biggest losers
Just like the Jews were kicked out of Jerusalem 2000 years ago so also can you


The entire Igboland or significant chunks of it could be evacuated and repopulated with Fulani and nothing would happen

You are so happy Uzodinma won this way, na wa o

garfield1:
I believe they will do so in future.up uzodinma

All these things you mentioned will not achieve Biafra even in a 1000 years! Imagine Yorubas were friendly with Northerners but immediately they declared Amotekun, Northerners said Yorubas are the most primitive in Nigeria( I appreciate the SW response by using diplomacy,I trust my people, we wont take it lightly) and started accusing the Yorubas of not allowing Igbos to vote in Lagos, something they applauded at the time. What this means is that good relationships will not achieve Biafra. Nigeria population is increasing and revenue is falling because there is no unity of purpose. There is be a tipping point and it may not be more than 20yrs from now!

0monnak0da:
No I would say they need to humble themselves and learn to keep their mouths shut instead of scoring unnecessary own goals
Next they need to start playing politics of cooperation and partnership
Set a realistic time frame 50 years is a long time in the life of a man but not a people.

The message is simple the way that Igbos talk to and about other Nigerians is unhelpful and MUST change
Sadly they don't or can't get it
Simple example
Buhari has won the election whether you like him or not work with him focus on your long term goals
Think about what happens when he leaves and how to influence that IN YOUR INTEREST
The starting point is to unify the Igbo people and if you must use hate to do that try to be discreet
Coming out with all that Nnamdi Kanu stuff is unhelpful
Learn to be tactful

You are too small to impose your worldview rather you have to learn do be humble. An impossibility for the Igbo man

If you do not have ulterior motive, same person says they will work with Yorubas. How many Yorubas have been killed by IPOBS? Seems you're benefitting from enmity btw Igbos and Yorubas

BuhariAdvocate:
Bastard who give a f**k about ipob miscreant? Useless Nnamdi kanu that gave order to his followers to kill Yoruba people.

Yes but this needs to be documented and updated on INEC website in details for posterity!

garfield1:
The summary is that hope won,pdp 2nd,apga third follow by the party ohakim contested on

They should atleast share the election results given this judgement into consideration so we know the final results of the election!

garfield1:
I dont understand you but from the judgment,pdp got 1903 from those units meaning that aa got lower or got less than 50k.even if aa won there,it is meaningless,null and void because the court already disqualified aa and nwosu.all his votes were wasted and in the eyes of the law,aa never took part in the polls.

You would say they should go through the NASS but in truth you know it's dead on arrival. Even if Igbos were friendly with Yorubas and Hausas, it's still dead on arrival in NASS because people esp Northerners see their existence as tied to South
and the Sea. Igbos breaking out will make others go and this is the issue, it has nothing to do with insults or respect. Same reason the North is kicking against Amotekun and Igbos are supporting it. The North fears that if Amotekun succeeds as it is proposed without amendments, then others in SS, SE, NC will do theirs and they begin to loose their stronghold on Nigeria. As a learned person, you know this but somehow wants to blame Igbos for trivialities as been responsible for anything. You have far more Northerners in Yoruba land than Yorubas in the North. You have more Easterners in Yoruba land than Yorubas in the East. What those this tell you? Yorubas prefer to stay on their own but afraid of uncertainty if they break out of Nigeria!
But just like Soviet, the internal issues became too much and everybody exhaustedly left the USSR without any resistance! It's just a matter of time, by the time our population reaches 300 million people with this meager revenue, it will be extremely difficult to hold Nigeria together!

0monnak0da:
If you focus less on being a victim you will see reality as it is and then make plans to achieve objectives

Nigeria is the de jure successor of colonial Britain
That is the reality and international legal position

Indeed it was those colonial era agreements that determined the fate of Bakassi

The Igbos like to think they are senior partners in Nigeria they should start acting like it
Stop playing victim, swallow their pride and think of a practical realistic strategy

At the moment lining up behind Nnamdi Kanu smacks of profound confusion.

Develop a plan and strategy. Noise is not music

You dont understand my question. In the 388 polling units, certainly AA would have gotten substantial votes to reduce the percentage of Uzodinma. If AA had gotten 100k votes for instance, disqualifying AA does not make Uzodinma get the AA votes so the impact of the vote splitting but Nwosu should still persist. I believe you understand my point.

garfield1:
In the eyes of the law

When you say British conquered Nigeria, you made it seems they are still enforcing their conquest, are they? If Igbos have enmity with Yorubas and Hausas(already conquered by Fulanis) as you claim, that should actually speed the breakup of Eastern Nigeria from Nigeria.
Remember how Singapore was driven from Indonesia? If there is enmity between persons, breakup should be easier actually. Its difficult for friends to break up!
Having said that, something must give so the longer you insist on suppressing Biafra, the longer Nigeria remains in the woods because no unity of purpose. You are only hurting yourself in the process. Igbos are very resilient people so Nigeria go tire!

0monnak0da:
All of that is sentimental talk
No one should go to bed hungry but millions do
The problem with many Igbos is refusal to deal with reality.
Reality is Igboland was conquered by the British and handed over to the Nigerian state.
No amount of righteous indignation will change that reality.

If the Igbo want to achieve Biafra then they need to figure out an approach that will work.

Will this current approach work?

This logic of

Our cause is just and therefore it will happen is quite childish

My opinion is that to succeed the Igbos need fewer antagonists and more friendships within and outside Nigeria.
Strangely Igbos believe enmity with Yoruba and Hausa is the right strategy. Good luck with that

I listened to IBB and Gowon recently, and they said that it will not be fair to people who have died to keep Nigeria one in the civil war if Nigeria breaks up and as such we should keep Nigeria one. Can you see how foolish these leader are. So the dead should control the destiny of the living? Because we want to please the dead, we should suffer the living perpetually?
Britain conquered Nigeria? Is Britain here now? Why should we continue to maintain the chain Britain put us in? Do you know almost all colonies in africa changed their colonial names except Nigeria?

0monnak0da:
Igbos declared secession by what authority?
Including the territory of Ijaw ,Efik Ikwerre etc?
Very clever
Did not attack anyone? Really

What about attack on Benin, Ore, Lagos?

Was that an NYSC community development?


Here is the reality your ancestral land was conquered and annexed into Nigeria by force by the British.

They handed that to the Nigerian state.

That is the REALITY

You did not one day declare yourself a part of Nigeria. YOU WERE CONQUERED INTO IT.


So you will not be freed by DECLARATION .

You are ALL free to exit the country but the Land was conquered and annexed a long time ago
You can pack and go back to Israel

REALITY

Indigenous people who originally owned Canada,USA, Australia cannot wake up one day and DECLARE themselves to be in charge


That is childish

Their land has been conquered



So no one wants to keep Igbos in Nigeria. They are free to leave.

The land is NOW Nigeria

But do you know there is a right to self determination? And this includes your ancestral land? A group of people have the right to determine where they want to belong. If you look at Europe, the are countries of less than a million that determined their position recently like Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro. Remember East Timor? Eritrea, South Sudan?
If you keep people who do not want to be in your team forcefully, that team can never make progress because there will not be unity of purpose! Its shortsightedness to insist on Nigeria remaining one. It's like flogging a dead horse

0monnak0da:
Igbos declared secession by what authority?
Including the territory of Ijaw ,Efik Ikwerre etc?
Very clever
Did not attack anyone? Really

What about attack on Benin, Ore, Lagos?

Was that an NYSC community development?


Here is the reality your ancestral land was conquered and annexed into Nigeria by force by the British.

They handed that to the Nigerian state.

That is the REALITY

You did not one day declare yourself a part of Nigeria. YOU WERE CONQUERED INTO IT.


So you will not be freed by DECLARATION .

You are ALL free to exit the country but the Land was conquered and annexed a long time ago
You can pack and go back to Israel

REALITY

Indigenous people who originally owned Canada,USA, Australia cannot wake up one day and DECLARE themselves to be in charge


That is childish

Their land has been conquered



So no one wants to keep Igbos in Nigeria. They are free to leave.

The land is NOW Nigeria