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brocab:
I am happy you had found No 5 2016 Bro as you can see, none, not one JW' not even dolphinheart is willing to reply on this subject.
It's like they had hidden themselves back in the closet, Come out come out where ever you are?

I'm willing to reply you, pls quote the full text of that paragraph!

brocab:
Well it just shows you are full of yourself, and you have no evidence what kind of person I am. No 5 2016 would be sent across the nations, no one is left behind with your false teachings, so why is it you refuse to answer the question, I am asking?
A you practising your true beliefs, it seems every question I have asked in the past-you never seem to have any of the answers?
And No 5 2016 Magazine shows you really haven't the slightest idea which Magazine I am talking about.
The subject was about God and your so called active force comforting us, but your bible reads it out differently then what the magazine had quoted.
The Magazine also quoted Jesus had already done His work by comforting us only in His healing ministry, etc, I am only asking why No 5 2016 had left out Verse 5 when Verse 5 said it clearly Jesus is still in action when comforting us still.
But hey if you aren't the man who could help me with the answers then at least give someone else a go, one who understands this question clearly and one who reads up on the Watchtower magazines, and of course keeps up with the times and knows about the comforters story In {2 Corinthian 1:3-4}

so it's no more accusation, it's now asking a question. You gave your views on what you read from a paragraph in a magazine, to provide the content of that paragraph is now impossible for you to do! continue!

DoctorAlien:
You see it? The JWs claim Jesus has no power to save anybody. In other words, He can do no more than a mere man.

stop trying to always look for fault or ways to argue, can you explain the situation rip turds I just quoted to you !

Mrbllymer:
Omg!

Is it because you refused to take blood you survived?

comprehension issues, I told you a true story, them emphasised in bold what I learnt from the experience.
blood transfusion does not guarantee your survival!

Emusan:
You haven't seen funny respond just be patience their LONG EPISTLE writer @Dolphinheart has arrived you will begin to see more lies.

Just notice how he will be using KJV and perhaps some versions which he never rated above NWT.

your problem is with the ratings of the translation, wunt go their with you. As long as I personally believe that a translation translated a particular verse the right way, I'll use it!, as long as the words(correct or not) of a particular translation aids or helps bring out a point that is being discussed, ILl quote it!

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

GOD sent othniel too as a saviour to Israel. We know Othniel had no power to save anybody of his own. GOD only wrought mighty works through him.

Since GOD sent Jesus, are you saying that Jesus Christ has no power to save anybody of His own, just like othniel? Yes or No?

I believe I just showed you scriptural verses that answered your question!, if jesus had power, who should he still be given power?. when it comes to given life to humans here is what jesus said :
King James Version
Joh 5:26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself

solite3:
what about millions of witnesses that has died as a result of rejecting blood transfusion!

they will get their life back through the resurrection, when those who have obeyed God's law are resurrected!

DoctorAlien:
GOD sent othniel too as a saviour to Israel. We know Othniel had no power to save anybody of his own. GOD only wrought mighty works through him.

Since GOD sent Jesus, are you saying that Jesus Christ has no power to save anybody of His own, just like othniel?

King James Bible(acts 10:38)
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
* the verse did not say God was with himself
* the verse did not say God anointed himseLf with power!

King James Bible
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.[/color]
*note that jesus was given!

when jesus was on earth dId he do anything on his own ? no, he did what his God had taught and told him to do!, he came to do the fathers will.

Isa 42:1Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Ac 5:31God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
*God used jesus to save mankind!

Isa 53:11Because of his anguish, he will see and be satisfied. By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant, Will bring a righteous standing to many people, And their errors he will bear.

indigene:
Only the blood of Jesus saves life.
Surgeon General agreed that blood is Poison. (Receive at your own risk)
The Bible clearly directed through God's holy spirit stated that, Christians should abstain from blood. Acts 15 vss 29
. For example if your physician strongly adviced that you should abstain from alcohol, and you call a nurse to transfuse a tot of brandy through your vein will you admit that you're respecting the order or authority of your physician?
It is still a strong medical code, that a patient has right to refuse or reject any medical treatment he or she considered questionable and faulted with risk.
I am proud of Jehovah witnesses who pioneered bloodless surgery, accepted in all advanced countries medical facilities
Any surgeon who demands blood is medically antiquity
It is medically proven that simple blood expanders like what is known as drip, or EPO is all that is needed to increase blood volume, same as non matured coconut water.
It Not only Jehovah's witnesses that are refusing blood transfusion.
Human Blood is Poison.
It's on record that what impacted negatively to Pope John Paul (ie 1 or 11) who was shot by Mehmet Agca was as a result of blood he received, the complications slowly retarded his health, which lead to his death.
There several scientists, world renowned physicians who are Jehovah's witnesses, many Nigerian non Jehovah witnesses doctors had received quality training on bloodless surgery in their Nigeria branch office in Igieduma Edo state

I had an accident on the lagos Ibadan expressway some years ago, I was to be operated on at luth. I refused blood transfusion and the operation was postponed for about a week. Their was another patient beside me who had a similar injury and they operated on him using brood transfusion.
about a month or so after his operation and a few weeks after mine, he developed some complications and died from issues related to the blood he took. I'm still alive today and I did not take blood, therefore taking blood is not a guarantee to survival.
doctors at Luth(when I was in E- usually tell me that they take my case to other federal hospitals to study how to do that particular operation without blood.

brocab:
If you are truly a JW you would know what magazine I am referring too. no 5 2016 You had left out {2 Corinthians 1:5} in stead you only mentioned [Corinthians 1:3-4} adding the active force working side by side with God. Your Magazines work against your NWT bible.
So this time Mr dolphinheart lets hear these answers from you, and why?.

it is evidently clear the kind of person you are!
you claim to find something wrong with a paragraph in a magazine, yet you refuse to provide the paragraph for others to examine themselves, why? because you know they will see through your deception.
every time you are asked to provide evidence to support what you are saying, you are always found wanting!

you are now changing your false accusation from "leaving out jesus" to "omitting a verse" , you should have told them to quote the whole chapter na!

are the verses you saw in that paragraph false? no
can you explain the scriptures quoted their? no

brocab:
I am not changing the subject, I am explaining the subject and how it began.
And of course you have the Magazine in front of you which shouldn't be a problem for you to explain why Jesus was pushed aside? And all you have done is mention the Jehovah God and His Active force, is left to finish what was started from the beginning, your magazine mention Jesus was only used to comfort people when He healed the sick, and raised the dead etc.. But after His death He is no longer needed, to comfort those who need Him now. only God and His active force is left to finish the race.
I was only explaining how I understood when reading your magazine, and I am only expecting one of you to explain, why you have pushed Jesus aside, You should be the ones to answer these questions for me, and explain this to me why you believe Jesus is no longer needed on this earth, to finish the end.

simple request, post the full text of the paragraph, you keep on trying to give your explanation of a paragraph you refuse to disclose its full content! typical!

@ JMAN05 , good answers sir, just seeing the thread, don't know why it was not indicated when you mentioned my moniker.
@ BIBLESPEAKS , don't expect an answer to your questions, I asked only one question in another thread and I'm still waiting for an answer .

note: some only have the aim of finding fault, they are not asking cus they want answers.
you must have noticed that after you answer some, next comes derogatory speech, accusations and vile response, so guys, I wish you answer only those who are ready to state their present beliefs and the present religious organization, body or association they associate with. They must be ready to tell you the name of their church , why?, cus some will call you dirty while they hide in a refuse dump.

brocab:
I had read the hole story and still Jesus was push out of the picture, this is why I had written about it. I can not help if you choose not to understand your own Watchtower magazine. Opp's....

who is talking about if you read the magazine or not, for you to lack comprehension, you must have read it na, only that you don't understand it!

On the street the other day, I had seen at least 10 JW's hanging around near our Harley's at my old mates place. I had asked who they were and the elder walked over with his lamb, telling me his story how he loved Motor cycles, before he started to preach his gospel he spoke about His old BSA he once owned, that conformation was interesting.
But then he started preaching his gospel and our interest on motorcycles just flew out the back door, so I listened, but not for long only because his beliefs doesn't mention anything about the spiritual understanding about the spirit of God. {God's Spirit is an active force}
He and his lamb could only read the bible in black and white, not having the spirit of God, nothing he said made sense, he just didn't know which direction he wanted to go.
I had read No 5 2016 booklet he gave me, and surely enough your understanding about Christ is nil.
Our subject with these two JW's were, let the dead to bury the dead, the elder was confused what that actually meant, nor his lamb could understand, he is in training, he couldn't understand why Jesus had said such saying. And when I had explained what Jesus had meant by it, about this scripture, which I will explain it to you, The disciple ask Jesus let me first go and bury my dead, Jesus replied and said, let the dead bury their dead, and come follow Me.
Meaning those who believe in Jesus are alive in Spirit and in truth, but those who don't believe are those who are dead in spirit.
The JW's couldn't run away quick enough for me to finish my sentence. But the good thing about this story is they will black list my old mate's house, and leave Him alone.

you are always quick to try and change the issue, you are talking about a magazine, trying to paint a false and wrong understanding of what is written their, simple request was made that you should post the full text of that paragraph , you quickly shifted it to a story that cannot be verified by anyone! typical. same way you have desperately acted for months, refusing to tell us where body, soul, spirit goes when a man dies!

brocab:
I am Just reading the Watchtower mag, No 5 2016, it tells the story like this, Today the Son of God is not present on Earth to comfort us personally But His Father {Jehovah} "the God of all comfort," continues to help those in need {2 Corinthians 1:3} Shows the JW's had left out the best of this scripture right from under the listeners view point. The JW's have taken Christ out from the picture, that Christ is no-longer needed on Earth and their Jehovah God is our only comforter.
Without them finishing this verse their Claims are Jesus is no longer needed to finish His work.
{2 Corinthians 1:3-5] Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comfort us in all our troubles, so we can comfort those in any trouble, with the comfort we ourselves receive from God.
[V 5} is the one the JW's had chosen to leave out of this picture, For just as we share in the abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. Meaning both the Father and Christ are working hand in hand with each ever since the beginning of time.

you lack comprehension, your expectations before you read the magazine has clouded your ability to understand what it was telling you about the God of all comfort. because you are always searching for fault , you think the magazine has removed Jesus role in our comfort.
If you are sincere, pls post the complete words of that paragraph for all to read.

solite3:
[/quote]that peter gave John a revelation to show to somebody does not mean John is less than peter does it?

no it does not, but it does tell you that Peter and John ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON!.
interpolate Peter and John into God and jesus in the book of revelation and see how your own example exposes you. if peter(God) gave the revelation to john( jesus) it means john(jesus) is not peter(God) in the book of revelation.
do not give examples of what the verse does not mean as if that logic will help you, but give examples of what the verse means!

If you want scriptures that talk about the superiority of jehovah,( the almighty God, the God and father of jesus) to jesus, I'll give them to you:
[b]Mt 27:46About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Joh 8:42Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.

Mt 26:39And going a little way forward, he fell facedown, praying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.”

Joh 4:34Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

Joh 6:38 for I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

Joh 14:31But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do. Get up, let us go from here.

Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.

Joh 15:10If you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.[/b]

you can also read about jehovahs prophecies concerning jesus in the book of isaiah, also read John chapter 17

Jesus declare himself as the alpha and omega
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star .
separating the person of Jesus from the person of God
dolphinheart repent and turn to the Lord.
The same veil that is covering Jews is covering you.
You already know Jesus is God.
Sit down carry your bible, and start to read, pray to God to open your eyes.

it is evident that you did not read the post, go back there, look at the verses I quoted, look at the explanation I gave and respond to them!

[quote author=solite3 post=49065697][/quote]you are still making the same mistake when quoting other people's post.

the question is, are you sincere? Why did you cancel my post, if not that it exposes you?

sir, I told you I will go back to that post and reply you, if you can answer the question I asked after I've answered all your questions. You are just trying to find all avenues possible just to you don't answer that question. just answer the question and let me reply that post , cus I've not replied it yet!
so again I say: the issue should not be difficult if truly both sides are sincere, if you feel you had answered that question, can you just copy it and paste it on these thread for me and anyone interested to see?, I'll add the answer to that post when responding.

false witnesses loves to lie.

and yet every time you are asked to provide proof, you refuse to!
can you just point to one post which you mentioned me but I ignored? Let's see the post first then we will now examine if it exposes me!

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johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you love to lie and disbelieve much scripture and twist and falsely accuse etc. etc.

in red is Jesus speaking through His Angel - the Angel of the Lord
and He Jesus said: "I am Alpha and Omega"

you refuse to examine the scriptures.
I have shown you two things.
1. The falsehood of the scripture you quoted, below are the words of rev 1:8

New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
you have tried desperately to remove the above translations from my post when responding, interpolating my post with yours(a dubious move)

2. I've also shown you that verse is is reference to the father,jehovah, almighty God, the god and father of jesus, and not to jesus:

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

separating the person of jesus from the person of God
Re 1:2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, yes, to all the things he saw.

Again, separating the one who is, who was and who is coming from the person of jesus
Re 1:4John to the seven congregations that are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and peace (1)FROM “the One who is and who was and who is coming,” and (2)FROM the seven spirits that are before his throne,
Re 1:5and (3)FROM Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood

If these words of John does not tell you that jesus is different from the one who is and who was and who is to come, then nothing else will!

and He said: "[b]I Jesus have sent mine angel"

and John said: "the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel"

John called Him - Jesus "the Lord God of the holy prophets"

of course you don't believe that and twist everything around - lie
but that's what false jw do












Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and [size=14pt]the Lord God[/size] of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

if you had examined the scriptures, read the book of revelation instead of just searching for verses that seem to support your doctrines, you would have known better.
Rev 1:1 is clear of the process by which the revelation came down, but you refuse to accept it.

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,
who gave jesus the revelation? God
did God give himself the revelation to pass on to his servant? no
did jesus give himself the revelation? no

The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus.

you read in rev 22: 6 about the God who inspires his prophets , yet you do not know who that God is,he is jehovah, the almighty God, the God of jesus!
[b]Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

Ex 24:3Then Moses came and related to the people all the words of Jehovah and all the judicial decisions, and all the people answered with one voice: “All the words that Jehovah has spoken, we are willing to do.”
Nu 12:8Face-to-face I speak to him, openly, not by riddles; and the appearance of Jehovah is what he sees. Why, then, did you not fear to speak against my servant, against Moses?”
Jer 7:25from the day your forefathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day. So I kept sending all my servants the prophets to you, sending them each day, again and again.
Am 3:7 For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.[/b]

if you had read the scriptures, you would have known the different persons talking in rev 22:13-16.

you read rev 22 :16, you chose one part of it, but you ignore the other part which tells you about who jesus is, jesus says he is the root and the offspring of David. look at what the scriptures says about that!
[b]Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
Isa 11:10In that day the root of Jesʹse will stand up as a signal for the peoples. To him the nations will turn for guidance, And his resting-place will become glorious.
Isa 53:2He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.
Jer 23:5 “Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.
Jer 33:15In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Re 5:5But one of the elders said to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”[/b]

is the root of David jehovah? no

look at rev 5:5 again, the root of David opened the scrolls
the next verse state:
Re 5:6And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb that seemed to have been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, and the eyes mean the seven spirits of God that have been sent out into the whole earth.
the root of David is also the lamb, jesus said he is the root of David, jesus is also the lamb, no wonder John could say this :
Joh 1:29The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and he said: “See, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
jon did not say, the lamb is God!

let's continue, the next verse now says
Re 5:7At once he came forward and [color=red]took it out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne.
jesus, the lamb, the root of David , did not take the scroll out of his own hand, he took it out of another's hand, that one is seated on THE THRONE!

The scripture answers :
Ps 47:8God has become King over the nations. God sits on his holy throne.
Isa 6:1In the year that King Uz·ziʹah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple.
1Ki 22:19Mi·caiʹah then said: “Therefore, hear the word of Jehovah: I saw Jehovah sitting on his throne and all the army of the heavens standing by him, to his right and to his left.

the facts of the scriptures are clear, that is why none of you could explain these verses, you could not tell the difference between the son of man and the ancient of days
Da 7:9“I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire.
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

even Stephen did not see jesus as God in his vision, he saw jesus standing at God's right hand
[b]Ac 7:55But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand,

jesus continued to say he is the bright morning star, look at what jehovah said about morning stars
Job 38:7When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

the above supports this verse:
Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you do love to keep repeating your lies even in the face of the Truth - Jesus own words


Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus said He will raise His body, and of course you don't believe Him, but choose to believe another verse, and change the meaning of what Jesus said because you think the verses are contradictory,
the verses are not contradictory, you don't understand them of course

Jesus said He will raise Himself is true, but not to you

Paul said the Father raised Jesus
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

of course it was God who raised Jesus Temple - body
Father and the Word is God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Father and the Word - God, raised Jesus body as told in both John: "Jesus will raise", and Paul: "Father raised"
But you have no understanding and have been blinded, and think that some Bible verses are not true, and that Bible verses contradict one another, and so you change their meaning,
Jesus said He will raise His body, you say He didn't,
you will have your reward.

antichrists deny the things Jesus done like raise His own body.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

you yourself can see your mumble jumbLe explanation is unreasonable.
tell us which of them resurrected jesus from the dead?, both of them or one of them.
the scriptures has been explicit about the resurrection of jesus, it has always been explicit about who God is , even from their statements, we see jesus is a separate person from God who resurrected him.
Paul did not only say God raised jesus, Paul said the father, a different person from jesus resurrected jesus. If you say God resurrected jesus, according to Paul and to the entire scriptures, that God is the father of jesus Christ and not jesus!, now to include jesus in that God is wrong cus Paul specifically mentioned WHO RESURRECTED JESUS, PAUL SAID HE WAS THE FATHER!, if God, who resurrected jesus was father and son, Paul would have said so.

you have shown your inability to examine the scripture, putting the carte before the horse, allowing your doctrine to determine what the scriptures says, determining which scriptures to accept based on its support of your doctrine.
The scripture had in many verses and in the simplest of ways told you who resurrected jesus, but you refuse such knowledge cus it does not support your pagan induced and derived doctrines.
look at this scriptures and see who resurrected jesus:

[b]King James Version
Ac 2:23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Ac 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
* God and jesus here are two different persons
*God or part of God was not slain
(*Almighty God cannot die, jesus died, did he not?
Hab 1:12 Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. O Jehovah, you appointed them to execute judgment; My Rock, you established them for punishment.)

King James Version
1Th 1:9For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
1Th 1:10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
*clearly evident that jesus is not the living God in that verse


King James Version
Ac 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

King James Version
Ac 13:30,33,34,37 But God raised him from the dead:
33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
* those verses clearly shows that jesus and God are two different persons.
* God was talking to jess who he raised, another fact to show jesus is not the God who resurrected him.

King James Version
Ro 4:24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe [/u]on him[/u] that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
* who do you think is "him that raised jesus from the dead, do you think it is jesus?

King James Version
Ro 10:9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shalt be saved.

King James Version
Eph 1:20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
* again you see see God setting jesus at his own right hand, how can jesus now be God who set him at his own right hand side? can you see how false trinity is?

King James Version
Ac 3:15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

King James Version
Heb 13:20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,[/b]

john, is the kjv twisting the scriptures when it tells you about the one who raised jesus from the dead?
when you examine the scriptures , you will know better.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

I believe those scriptures, it did not say jesus is the father, it did not say jesus is same God as the father.
I believe that jesus is the Christ, the one anointed by God, I believe jesus is the son of the living God, do you?

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

No one can say Jesus is God but by the Holy Ghost:
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord (kurios), but by the Holy Ghost.

I accept and agree that jesus is Lord, to the glory of his God and father , my God and father, the almighty God. do you accept that or would believe that jesus is the almighty God ?

A liar and an antichrist is one who denies the Father and the Son, in another word one who denies "God"
God and the Word is God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you lie lie dolphinheart are an antichrist denying much of what is accredited to Jesus
denying the Father and the Son - God.

good you are knowing about yourself small small, cus jesus said this about our God and his God :
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

is your God also the God of jesus?

jesus apostles had this to say about their God:

Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
is your God the father of our Lord jesus Christ or he is more than one person like the pagan gods?

2Co 1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,
is your God the God of all comfort?

true Christians believe this verses below, do you:

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

the Greek word for "lord" and "god" are different, not to be interpolated with each other!
We have one God the father , not one God, father and son!, and like the op rightLy quoted and identified : "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all"

johnw74:
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and [size=14pt]the Lord God[/size] of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

cutting my points off will not help you, I've shown you the true words of rev 1:8, that fact you can only try to erase but never ever can you counter it!

solite3:
how many times will I answer your question?

the issue should not be difficult if truly both sides are sincere, if you feel you had answered that question, can you just copy it and paste it on these thread for me and anyone interested to see?, I'll add the answer to that post when responding.

You always ignore post that exposes you.

can you just point to one post which you mentioned me but I ignored? Let's see the post first then we will now examine if it exposes me!

But I thank God you are on a public forum, you and your company have been twisting and changing the word of God and you better repent before it's too late.
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU.

over the months I given with facts, my views on certain verses, I've supported the verses I posted with facts from scholars. you have not been able to offer any contrary view on any.

Had to cut a lot of my words off cus I don't know which one the anti spam bot was against!, hope my explanation and who I'm referring to is understood. Had to split the post too.

I do believe Christ, and I do understand what he said, what jesus said does not contradict what other verses recorded about who resurrected jesus (which I've shown to you but you refuse to examine)
Joh 2:19Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Joh 2:21But he was talking about the temple of his body.
If you view on these verses is that jesus himself resurrected himself, Such a view would conflict with galatians 1:1 , which ascribes the resurrection of Jesus to the Father, not to the Son.
King James Version
Ga 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, color=blue]and God the Father, who raised him from the dead[/color]
(unless you want to claim the scriptures contradict itself or that jesus is same person as the father, then explain this verse)

At luke 8:48 , jesus used a similar mode of expression, Jesus is quoted as saying to a woman: “Your faith has made you well.” Did she heal herself? No; it was power from God through Christ that healed her because she had faith.
[b]Lu 8:48But he said to her: “Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace.”
Lu 8:46But Jesus said: “Someone touched me, for I know that power went out of me.”
New World Translation
Ac 10:38about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

so Likewise, by his perfect obedience as a human, Jesus provided the moral basis for the Father to raise him from the dead, thus acknowledging Jesus as God’s Son. Because of Jesus’ faithful course of life, it could properly be said that Jesus himself was responsible for his resurrection.
(There was an explanation of the verse by scholars here , had to remove it , might be the cause of the anti spam issue)
part 2 to be posted soon

solite3:
I believe if you have been following John's post and mine carefully, question as to the identity of Christ would have been answered.

I believe by now you should have understood clearly the deity of Christ. That Jesus is Jehovah is clearly scriptural.

Dolphinheart you can put your questions one after the other.

sir , I never asked you all this, please go to that post, see the question there and respond to it!,

When one refuses to examine all points given, preferring to erase them and hold on desperately to one as if it will help him. It is a sign to show that those kind of people are wrong, have something to hide, and can never face the truth. bELow is the full text of the post with facts that has been cut off when responding to the post.:

"dolphinheart
you are free to show scriptures of your choice, I believe Im free to ask you to show scriptures of my choice.

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
rev 1: 8 is referring to Jehovah, the almighty God, the one some translators changed his name to "Lord God", it is not referring to jesus .
Rev 1:1 shows us the one who gave the revelation to jesus , jesus did not give himself the revelation, neither did God give himself the revelation. God gave jesus the revelation showing that God is not jesus!
The one who is and who was and who is to come is mentioned in verse 4 to 6, the verses shows that he is not jesus.
you have failed in your attempt to link jesus to the almighty God. only Jehovah is the almighty God.
King James Version
Jer 10:10But the LORD{jehovah} is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.


You had to alter the scriptures to come up with these statements
verse 11 reads:
New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

New American Standard Bible
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

the words, "alpha and omega, first and the last" are not in that verse, they are additions by trinitarians. bet your next move will be to condemn those translations rather than investigate the truth.

so many words that you had to erase before the word "God" could join "supreme in authority, typical!.
Kurios is used for other humans too, and it does not mean they are God, like the scholars rightly said, it is a title, giving to one who is supreme in authority!

some will like to include God into the definition of "kurios", to satisfy their religious beliefs, but that is not what the scholars say :
The Greek word "κύριος" is transliterated to "kyrios" or "kurios", below is how it is being defined.

kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

HELPS Word-studies
2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising
absolute ownership rights ; lord ( Lord ).
[In the papyri, 2962 ( kýrios ) likewise denotes an
owner ( master) exercising full rights.]

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
[color=red]lord, master
NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1).
source: biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm

the word cannot be with God and still be that same God he was with!
almighty God does not have a beginning!


Jesus is a God, he is not almighty God , he told us the father is our God, jesus is not the father!
[b]joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.[/color]
there are many God's, but we have only one God who is the father, the almighty, the only true God, JEHOVAH!, jesus is not any of the above, the above is also his own God!

Mal 2:10 “Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us?So why do we deal treacherously with one another, profaning the covenant of our forefathers?

Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.[/b]
johnw74, how many persons do you have as fathers in heaven? 1,2 or 3?

in other words , the first Emmanuel in Isaiahs prophecy was also God right? continue!

Ac 20:28Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.
1Jo 1:7However, if we are walking in the light as he himself is in the light, we do have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

read : onlytruegod.org/defense/acts20.28.htm
Darby Bible Translation
Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, wherein the Holy Spirit has set you as overseers, to shepherd the assembly of God, which he has purchased with the blood of his own.
NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

you mean jesus resurrected himself ? that's not what the scriptures teaches!
Ac 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.
Ac 2:32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
Ac 3:15whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
Ac 2:24 But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.
Ac 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.
the one who was resurrected and the one who did the resurrection are not the same person.

Jesus has been granted authority to judge by the father, therefore he can forgive sins.
Joh 20:22After saying this he blew on them and said to them: “Receive holy spirit.
Joh 20:23 If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain those of anyone, they are retained.”

an exclamation made by Thomas. earlier he must have heard what jesus had told Peter when Peter said jesus is the son of the living God, and definitely he must have been told what jesus told Mary about who their father and God is. at no time did jesus tell his disciples that he is their God!

the very next verse says :
Heb 1:9You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
jesus being a God, still has someone superior to him , the one who anointed him above his fellows.
Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,
no wonder the preceeding verse 1 and 2 says :
Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.


Joh 5:19Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner.
Joh 5:20 For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.


comprehension issues, God shed the holy spirit abundantly on us through jesus christ , not that jesus is God our savior!. hope you remember who jesus is going to request the holy spirit from? from the father!, with that you should know who controls the holy spirit and who gave it to us!

[b]Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.
yep, read this for better understanding:
john 15:10If you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, [/color]just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.[/color]
1Jo 2:24As for you, what you have heard from the beginning must remain in you. If what you have heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with the Son and in union with the Father.

the hOly spirit comes from God, was poured on the disciples by the father through jesus!
[b]Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.
isa 49:6And he said: “It is not enough that you are my servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob And to bring back those who were preserved of Israel. I have also given you as a light of nations, So that my salvation may reach the ends of the earth.”

As seen from my explanations and scriptures I quoted, none of those verses ever said jesus is almighty God, the God we worship , that jesus said is our God , that the disciples identified as our God is Jehovah, the father, the almighty God!"

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart


the same old repeating the same lies over and over again with confusion
and lies and many words

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecc 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment

you false jw dolphinheart have no understanding of the Bible and add to and change not just one but every verse that goes against your satanic doctrines
I know you will have your reward

false jw dolph, an example of your trying to explain away what scripture clearly says:



dolphinheart


such a weak and ridiculous attempt to try and have the verse mean other than what it clearly says
Thomas when he felt the hole in Jesus hands and side had the realisation that He truly is Lord and God
he did not curse and blaspheme saying, "my Lord and my God"
he had the realisation that Jesus was truly his Lord and God
and Jesus didn't answer and say no I am not
He said: Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed
Jesus affirmed to Thomas that He is indeed his Lord and God

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Believed what: of what is spoken about, that Jesus is Lord and God of course

you did not examine the scriptures, thus you could not know the truth.
1. Thomas could not have called jesus his God cus as jesus disciple, he knew who God is and he knew that jesus had at no time , ever told them he was God.

2. Thomas would have heard the story, if he was not their himself, about the discussion jesus had with his disciples, look at it yourself :
King James Version
Mt 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mt 16:14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mt 16:15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mt 16:17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
did you read those verses? did you see the answer Peter gave?, did you see what jesus said about the person who revealed such tRuth to peter.
how do you think that Thomas now turned God's revelation to a lie to now believe that jesus is not the son of the living God but the living God. The Jews know who there God is, he is the father, and Thomas knew that jesus is his son, this fact resonates throughout the scriptures.

2. continuing this event, jesus now tells them:
[b]King James Version
Mt 16:20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
the christ is anointed by God, God did not anoint himself, how can you now believe that the one anointing is same person as the one anointed!

3. Thomas definitely would have had jesus message days earlier when he sent Mary to them, do you remember the message :
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; [/color=red]and to my God, and your God.[/color]
the disciples know who their father is, and jesus affirmed that belief that if is only the one in heaven that they should call father! . Thomas knew this, how do you now expect him to call jesus his God!.
mary had passed on the message to them, how do you expect Thomas to now alter such clear message and say jesus is his God!

The message of who jesus is is clear in the scriptures, from the prophecies to the words of the apostles, thats why john could record it down and say :

[b]1Jo 4:15 Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is God’s Son, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.
God did not send himself, he sent his son!

4. you tried to claim that Thomas statement is not an exclamation, well the scriptures teaches us otherwise :see Thomas exclanation:
New International Version
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

New Living Translation
"My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.

English Standard Version
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

johnw74, you have been shown the scriptures, you have been shown where it tell about God sending jesus, God did not send himself, neither did jesus send himself, God Commanded jesus.
you have been shown in the scriptures where jesus followed such commands, even till death!

you have been shown the scriptures where jesus told who he is , he never said he is God almighty!
you have been shown in the scriptures the relationship between jesus and God , jesus is an heir to God!

you have been shown with the scriptures how jesus subjected himself to his God while on earth and even in heaven, but you want jesus to be equal to God,
you have been shown with the scriptures the prophecies jehovah made about the Messiah, none of them said that jehovah is jesus.
you had been shown with the scriptures the conversation God had with jesus.
The disciples at several occasions , penned down their knowledge of who God is, their God is the father of jesus, not jesus!

you prefer to leave all this facts, leave what it tells you and to start looking for indirect statements in the scriptures that will help you in a pagan induced doctrine that the scriptures did not teach. you prefer to look for similarities between the father and the son even when jesus had told you he does what the father teaches him.

We know we have one God, the father, he is the father of all, the supreme being, the almighty, Jehovah!

solite3:
I don't teliguide people in answering questions.

Your own words fully proved that Jesus is God, you are living in denial ( I don't mean to serve offensive but that's the truth)

I still need to further shock you,

Look at these verses,
Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

These verse was drawn from psalm 102 which is referring to Jehovah himself.

Psa 102:24 I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.

102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

David was referring to Jesus as my God from what the writer of Hebrews is saying.
That means Jesus is Jehovah God.

you asked me to be sincere and and answer your questions, I did!, but you refuse to be sincere and answer mine. pls answer the question so I can respond to that post

solite3:
author=dolphinheart post=48883553]

its a waste of time to do so

[s][/s]
@cancelled "other" was obviously added by new world translation to alter the original meaning.
Such action is condemned by God.
Still you didn't answer my question because it exposes you.

@ cancelled, it baffles me that while you refused to answer my question, you went ahead to create a false theory from a totally different issue.

Your theory states that Jesus was created, but let's check the scripture if it is true.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
This verse has already put it straight that nothing was created without the word.


Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:



this verse says nothing of Christ been created.


if you are sincere, I expand to you Jesus words.
You know that
Son of Man=Man
Son of lion= Lion
Son of God=God

Anything outside this is totally false.


this is a direct contradiction of your theory that says Christ was created.
You are correct on this one, for if all things are created by God through Christ then Christ is not among those things created by God.

Also see,
Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which fromgive a thorough witness that [color=red] this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.[/b]

hope this answers your question, God has appointed jesus Christ to do the judging, giving him authority and power, but jesus judges based on what he has been taught by the father!
Joh 5:30I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. you are correct to say that Jesus is the one to judge the world but let's see what the old testament says

Psalms 96:13 Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

This verse shows that it is God that is coming to judge.

Psalms 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

From this verse it is clear that God is the who will judge the world by himself.

If the bible has said "God is Judge" it could had been interpreted as God giving his authority to somebody to excercise his judgement
This proves that Jesus is God.



God, the father, the almighty God, jehovah has all authority and he gives it to whoever he pleases to carry out his work and will. I beg your pardon, Jehovah cannot give all his authority to someone else.

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.


It was given to jesus:
[b]Mt 28:18Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
Joh 17:2 just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him.
eph 1:19and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
Eph 1:20, 21which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,
1Pe 3:22He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers color=red]were made subject to him[/color][/b]

you can read this also
Lu 4:6Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
Joh 19:11Jesus answered him: “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been granted to you from above. This is why the man who handed me over to you has greater sin.”
Jude 25to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.[/b]

Like the authority given to his disciples , the authority given to jesus was for a purpose, it does not make jesus equal to the one who gave him the authority.
[b]1Co 15:24Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.
1Co 15:27For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him
1Co 15:28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone


Heb 2:8All things you subjected under his feet.” By subjecting all things to him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him.

I ask you a simple question.
The summary is that Jesus has all authority both in heaven and on earth.
[s]
[s]not only one person is called the mighty god.[[/s]/s]
This does not mean that the mighty God is made up of multiple persons. how many people were called "the mighty God" pls show me don't ignore it.
Mind you, the article "the tells you that there is only one of such.

but only one person is called, has identified himself as the almighty God!
Answer my question first, I didn't ask you about Almighty God.

Ge 17:1When Aʹbram was 99 years old, Jehovah appeared to Aʹbram and said to him: “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless.


I should say both, but it will be confusing.
If you put your faith in Christ, you are putting your faith in the one who sent him.
All the things you heard from jesus are from his father, and believing the things jesus said leads to evaluating life.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you,(1) the only true God, and (2)the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
you can't put faith in one and not put fAith in the other.


nop

yes No man can serve two masters.
@ bold yes it is confusing and impossible to put your faith on two master. If Jesus was not God he could have just said believe me instead of believe in me. Don't you think this was the reason the people wanted to stone him?
Because Jesus is God that is why putting your faith in him means putting your faith in God.

Re 17:14These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.”

note: pls notice that I answered aLl your questions, so please answer mine when you respond.
If you have issues with any scripture and explanation I posted, pls tell us your own view of the scriptures I posted.
cutting off part of my post will not be accepted
I So Jesus is the Lord of lords and King of kings but this title belongs to God.
If Jesus is not God then this will be a contradiction to Jehovah's words that says he does not give his glory to another.
Story your bible more, this argument is baseless and needless.
I will answer your questions pls put them in other and gradually.
Shallom

ill respond to your post, but pls, answer my question , at least I answered all your questions , even if you feel some are not answered the way you want them, that does not stop you from answering mine, or does it?

Your ways are manifest, you will continue to cut off issues you can't handle when responding. you prefer to only respond on mundane matters , attacking personalities rather than responding to facts and points given!

MY FULL POST THEY COULD NOT RESPOND TO :
dolphinheart
some believe jesus and the father are same person!

1." only true God" is not a title , jesus is telling you that the father is the only one that is the True God
2. no where in the scriptures is jesus refered to as the true God.
3. "The word was with God", in other words, the word was with the true God, how can one person be with another person and still be that same person. The word was with God(one person, not group of person), the word was with the true God, the word is not the true God.
4. jesus use of the word "only" when identifying the father as true God has put payed to any attempt to add any other person to the true God!

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
jesus continued the statement with "and the one whom you sent". jesus fully indicates that he is not the true God as he(jesus) is the one who the true God sent!
no verse says the true God sent the or a true God.

even the apostles confirmed it when jesus asked them who he is :
Mt 16:15He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?”
Mt 16:16Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Simon Peter did not say you are God!

[b]Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
1Jo 4:15Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is God’s Son, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.

The verses showing that the Father is greater than the Son are not saying the Son is not God,
my Father is greater than I, but I am still human as he is.

how is your father greater than you?
you father is human, you are human, are you the same human? no ,you are two different humans with different physical and mental capabilities. your logic just destroyed the trinity!

father is the sons God, shows that jesus has a God!, the almighty God does have someone superior to him!

it shows that jesus is not the supreme being as he has a God. you statement "God is the father of the Lord jesus christ" perfectly tells you who our God is , he is the father of jesus Christ , we don't have a multiple persons God.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
jesus did not call himself our God, he was ascending to someone else who he identified as our God!

show me verses that identifies jesus as
1. The almighty God
2. The most high
3, the supreme being
4. the highest

johnw74:
Ha ha see how you twist - lie all the time,
I say I will show you scriptures showing that Jesus is God,
and you twist and lie saying:

show me verses that identifies Jesus as
1. The almighty God
2. The most high
3, the supreme being
4. the highest

in other words you don't want to see Bible verses showing that Jesus is God
such a deceiver

you are free to show scriptures of your choice, I believe Im free to ask you to show scriptures of my choice.

However #1
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
rev 1: 8 is referring to Jehovah, the almighty God, the one some translators changed his name to "Lord God", it is not referring to jesus .
Rev 1:1 shows us the one who gave the revelation to jesus , jesus did not give himself the revelation, neither did God give himself the revelation. God gave jesus the revelation showing that God is not jesus!
The one who is and who was and who is to come is mentioned in verse 4 to 6, the verses shows that he is not jesus.
you have failed in your attempt to link jesus to the almighty God. only Jehovah is the almighty God.
King James Version
Jer 10:10But the LORD{jehovah} is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

The one like unto the Son of man is the angel of the Lord, the angel of Jesus, representing and speaking for Jesus saying He is the Alpha and omega, John added "the Almighty"

You had to alter the scriptures to come up with these statements
verse 11 reads:
New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

New American Standard Bible
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

the words, "alpha and omega, first and the last" are not in that verse, they are additions by trinitarians. bet your next move will be to condemn those translations rather than investigate the truth.

#3 Jesus is also referred to many times as "kurios" in the Greek which means "supreme in authority - God"

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

so many words that you had to erase before the word "God" could join "supreme in authority, typical!.
Kurios is used for other humans too, and it does not mean they are God, like the scholars rightly said, it is a title, giving to one who is supreme in authority!

some will like to include God into the definition of "kurios", to satisfy their religious beliefs, but that is not what the scholars say :
The Greek word "κύριος" is transliterated to "kyrios" or "kurios", below is how it is being defined.

kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

HELPS Word-studies
2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising
absolute ownership rights ; lord ( Lord ).
[In the papyri, 2962 ( kýrios ) likewise denotes an
owner ( master) exercising full rights.]

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
[color=red]lord, master
NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1).
source: biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm

here is just one: Luk 24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord (kurios) Jesus.
Here are some more Bible verses, some showing that Jesus is God
and some saying directly that Jesus is God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

the word cannot be with God and still be that same God he was with!
almighty God does not have a beginning!

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is a God, he is not almighty God , he told us the father is our God, jesus is not the father!
[b]joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.[/color]
there are many God's, but we have only one God who is the father, the almighty, the only true God, JEHOVAH!, jesus is not any of the above, the above is also his own God!

Mal 2:10 “Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us?So why do we deal treacherously with one another, profaning the covenant of our forefathers?

Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.[/b]
johnw74, how many persons do you have as fathers in heaven? 1,2 or 3?

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

in other words , the first Emmanuel in Isaiahs prophecy was also God right? continue!

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Ac 20:28Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.
1Jo 1:7However, if we are walking in the light as he himself is in the light, we do have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

read : onlytruegod.org/defense/acts20.28.htm
Darby Bible Translation
Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, wherein the Holy Spirit has set you as overseers, to shepherd the assembly of God, which he has purchased with the blood of his own.
NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Jesus raised His body, only God can raise a body:
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, [Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up].
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

you mean jesus resurrected himself ? that's not what the scriptures teaches!
Ac 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.
Ac 2:32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
Ac 3:15whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
Ac 2:24 But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.
Ac 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.
the one who was resurrected and the one who did the resurrection are not the same person.

God forgives sins, we can forgive people their sins against us, but we cannot forgive people their other sins:

Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, [Son, thy sins be forgiven thee].

Jesus has been granted authority to judge by the father, therefore he can forgive sins.
Joh 20:22After saying this he blew on them and said to them: “Receive holy spirit.
Joh 20:23 If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain those of anyone, they are retained.”

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

an exclamation made by Thomas. earlier he must have heard what jesus had told Peter when Peter said jesus is the son of the living God, and definitely he must have been told what jesus told Mary about who their father and God is. at no time did jesus tell his disciples that he is their God!

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

the very next verse says :
Heb 1:9You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
jesus being a God, still has someone superior to him , the one who anointed him above his fellows.
Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,
no wonder the preceeding verse 1 and 2 says :
Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

Jehovah
Psa 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.
Jesus
Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

Joh 5:19Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner.
Joh 5:20 For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
^^^
our Saviour is God - Jesus Christ

comprehension issues, God shed the holy spirit abundantly on us through jesus christ , not that jesus is God our savior!. hope you remember who jesus is going to request the holy spirit from? from the father!, with that you should know who controls the holy spirit and who gave it to us!

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and [size=14pt]we[/size] will come unto him, and make [size=14pt]our[/size] abode with him.[/quote]yep, read this for better understanding:
[b]john 15:10If you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, [/color]just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.[/color]
1Jo 2:24As for you, what you have heard from the beginning must remain in you. If what you have heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with the Son and in union with the Father.

^^^
The Holy Spirit is God, God is God and the word
The Father and the Son (Holy Spirit - God) make their abode with Christians.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and [b]the Word was God.

Holy Ghost is God:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

the hOly spirit comes from God, was poured on the disciples by the father through jesus!

^^^
lying to the Holy Ghost is lying unto God.

yes

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
^^^
the glory of God did lighten it
the Lamb is the lighy thereof

There are many verses showing and saying that Jesus is God, as Christians can see, those are just some.

Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.
isa 49:6And he said: “It is not enough that you are my servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob And to bring back those who were preserved of Israel. I have also given you as a light of nations, So that my salvation may reach the ends of the earth.”

As seen from my explanations and scriptures I quoted, none of those verses ever said jesus is almighty God, the God we worship , that jesus said is our God , that the disciples identified as our God is Jehovah, the father, the almighty God!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

The scriptures are good, it's your wrong explanation of them which is bad
and not worth responding to
but you love to lie

you don't like my explanation, and it prevents you from giving your own explanation of those scriptures , interesting!
my statement is still correct:
HOPE YOU NOTICED THEY CAN NEVER TOUCH OR EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED ABOVE.
THEY CAN ONLY RESORT TO CUTTING THOSE SCRIPTURES OFF WHEN RESPONDING

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

all of them quotes are from some of your posts on just the one page, the last page, ha ha
More on that

See how you love to lie, I posted the greek text and it's source twice for you, that's more than enough

You did not quote the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.
below are several texts and their names included:

[b]Nestle GNT 1904
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort 1881
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Εἴπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Tischendorf 8th Edition
εἶπεν κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
Εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου[/b]

I even went as far as to show you the words of the testus Receptus that the kjv used, but you refused to understand and accept.

Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ
τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου
source: textus-receptus.com/wiki/Matthew_22:44

Textus Receptus (Scrivener 1894)
ειπεν ο κυριος τω κυριω μου καθου εκ δεξιων μου εως αν θω τους εχθρους σου υποποδιον των ποδων σου


Textus Receptus (Stephanus 1550)
ειπεν ο κυριος τω κυριω μου καθου εκ δεξιων μου εως αν θω τους εχθρους σου υποποδιον των ποδων σου
source: www.textusreceptusbibles.com/Interlinear/40022044

Please tell me , are all these texts wrong? can you not see them?

look what you have been reduced to
repeating the same lies over and over again, even posting your same posts over and over again

Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecc 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment

truth is constant, will not change it customers you don't accept it.