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DoctorAlien:
1 Jn. 5:20 reads "And we know that the Son of GOD is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true GOD, and eternal life.

Jesus then calls Himself the eternal life in Jn. 14:6. Jesus is the true GOD!

you case is just to argue for argument sake, you have abandoned the reason for quoting those verses to you, which is about knowing God, (which you refuse to do)

read John 17: 3 and get a better understanding of what John said
Jesus had come , he is the son of God,(prophesied as such and accepted by the dis piles as son of the living God). He has given us an understanding about the true God, in fact Jesus said he is the only true God. Jesus identified the true God as the father(the disciples later identified the father as their only one God). Jesus also identifies this God as his God and our God!.
John says we are In him that is true, that is what Jesus wanted, to be in his father that is the only true God, and also in his son Jesus. Jesus wanted his disciples to be in union with him and his father.
The verse now tell us that the one that is true has a son called Jesus, Jesus does not have a son, the father does, so this negates the belief that Jesus is the one that is true!, and like Jesus said, the one that is true , the only true God, is the father!, and the father has a son called Jesus!.
The father as said by Jesus is the true God, and Jesus says the knowledge of this one and the one this true god sent means evaluating life !

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

DoctorAlien:
Since you agree that it was GOD who sent Jesus, and the Isa. 48:16 says GOD and His Spirit sent Jesus Christ. Do you now agree that the Holy Spirit is GOD and not a force?

Remember you said GOD sent Jesus.

you desperation is now forcing you to adopt dubious methods when responding to posts, cutting off the scriptures that exposes you , cutting off verses that you can't explain or respond to .
Full text of the post
stop all this postulations!
READ THE SCRIPTURES!
Joh 4:34Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
Joh 5:30[b]I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.[/b]
Joh 5:36But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father assigned me to accomplish, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father sent me.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do.
Mt 26:39And going a little way forward, he fell facedown, praying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.”
Joh 19:30When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.
GO AND READ THE PROPHECIES STATED HUNDRED OF YEARS BEFORE Jesus CAME TO EARTH, READ HOW GOD PROPHECIED THAT HE WILL SEND HIS SERVANT!


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that God sent Jesus is not my personal statement, it is in the scriptures , it is stated in several verses who sent Jesus, Jesus also acknowledged that he was sent by God several times , the scriptures did not say God sent himself!, neither did Jesus say he sent himself.
Therefore Jesus is not God who sent Jesus!
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Isa 48:14Gather together, all of you, and listen. Who among them has announced these things? Jehovah has loved him. He will carry out his delight against Babylon, And his arm will come against the Chal·deʹans.
Isa 48:15I myself have spoken, and I have called him. I have brought him, and his way will be successful.
Isa 48:16Come near to me, and hear this. From the very start I have not spoken in secret. From the time it happened I was there.” And now the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has sent me, and his spirit.

1.one you need to prove that this verse is referring to Jesus
2. Note that if you succeed in your prove , it negates solite3 belief that Jesus is Jehovah , for " Jehovah has loved him."

DoctorAlien:
What commandments did Jesus give His followers? Are they different from GOD's own? Are they different from the ones he asked the young man to keep in Matt. 19:17?

if truly you want answers, you will leave my posts the way they are and not remove the scriptures and words posted. you take words out of a sentence and act as if the post did not explain further.

Full text below:
I quoted some scriptures to you bet you did not read them, neither could you answer the questions ,here they are again:
pls, tell me what you understand by these verse: (on the same issue of commandment)
Joh 15:10If you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.
Jesus observes the fathers commandments , does the almighty God observe other persons commandment?
for better understanding of what Jesus said, read the following verses :
Joh 15:15I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, because I have made known to you all the things I have heard from my father
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
Joh 14:10Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.
Joh 17:6“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
Joh 17:7Now they have come to know that all the things you gave me are from you;
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.
YOU ASK QUESTIONS , YET YOU REFUSE TO EXAMINE SCRIPTURES THAT GIVES YOU THE ANSWER.
[b]Joh 14:15“If you love me, you will observe my commandments.
Jesus gave his followers commandments, those commandments does not mean Jesus is the almighty God, as Jesus as said several times, all he says (including the commandments)comes from his God, he is sent by his God to pass certain messages and instructions to mankind, to those who his God gave him on earth.
read the preceeding verses for better understanding!
Joh 14:10Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.
in addition read this verses:
Joh 7:16Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him who sent me.
Joh 8:28Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things.
Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
nothe only does these verses throw your trinity doctrine into the dustbin, it also teaches you the role Jesus plays in jehovahs plans!
As for Matt 19:17, look at the previous verse and the next two verses, understand what the person was asking Jesus, thus you will know which commandments Jesus was talking about.
read Le 18:5 and Lu 10:25-28.

DoctorAlien:
Does John 10:18 agree that those who killed Jesus took His life, since Jesus said no man is able to take His life from Him?

did Jesus only say no man was able to take his life from him? no
stop reading part of the verses , read the whole verse and understand what Jesus tells you.

Joh 10:18No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

Joh 19:10So Pilate said to him: “Are you refusing to speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and I have authority to execute you?”
Joh 19:11Jesus answered him: “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been granted to you from above. This is why the man who handed me over to you has greater sin.”

READ AND UNDERSTAND!

DoctorAlien:
Exod. 20:2 reads "I am the Lord thy GOD..."

"The Lord" is translated from the Hebrew Adonai, a term which is constantly applied to Jesus.

go and read the Hebrew text of that verse !

solite3:
The God of Israel is called the true God.
Jerimiah 10:10
And the God of israel is called the mighty God.
Psalm 132 vs 5
Jesus is called the mighty God.
So Jesus is the true God!

Next!

shade is called the true girl
shade is called the mighty girl
kemi is called the mighty girl
this does not mean kemi is called the true girl
this does not mean kemi is shade.

only jehovah, the only true God, the most high, the father, is identified as the almighty God!

DoctorAlien:
Okay, Jesus called Himself my GOD in Exod. 20:2

Ex 20:2“I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

jehovah, the father of Jesus, not Jesus.

DoctorAlien:
Peacefullove,
Jesus Christ is the Almighty GOD. Read Rev. 1:8.

rev 1:8 is not talking about Jesus! in fact, in revelation , Jesus referred to his God as "my God" several times. read rev 1:1-8 and rev 3:2,12

DoctorAlien:
May I make it known that I do not want a GOD that I can totally explain. If I am able to totally explain Him, then He ceases to be GOD. Job 11:7-9 agrees with me.

When I get to Heaven by GOD's grace, I will sit face to face with Him and ask all my questions.(1 Cor. 13:12).

The subject of our study in Heaven throughout eternity will be "GOD". For now, I'm contented with trusting and obeying Him.

because you do not want a God you can't explain does not mean you should now create false , mysterious postulations about God!.

even though we can not fully know his ways and other things, we are supposed to try and know who he is!

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

1Jo 5:20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.

DoctorAlien:
Jesus is One with His Father in character, will and in purpose. There is no difference in anyway between them. The fact that He came to earth was a mutual agreement between Him and His Father. He agreed to be separated from His Father, and to be humiliated and brought low.

stop all this postulations!
READ THE SCRIPTURES!
Joh 4:34Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

Joh 5:30[b]I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.[/b]

Joh 5:36But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father assigned me to accomplish, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father sent me.

Joh 17:4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do.

Mt 26:39And going a little way forward, he fell facedown, praying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.”
Joh 19:30When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.

GO AND READ THE PROPHECIES STATED HUNDRED OF YEARS BEFORE JESUS CAME TO EARTH, READ HOW GOD PROPHECIED THAT HE WILL SEND HIS SERVANT!

DoctorAlien:
Jesus was referring to Himself in flesh. His Father was greater than He was in the flesh. The Bible made us to understand that Jesus identified with the lowliest of the lowly echelons of life. He even died like a criminal.

Read Phil. 2:5-8 again.

simple question, is Jesus still in the flesh?
what was he in before he is in the flesh?

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

Which commandments is Jesus referring to in John 14:15? Are they different from the ones He referred to in Matt. 19:17? If they are different, make a clear distinction between them.

I quoted some scriptures to you bet you did not read them, neither could you answer the questions ,here they are again:

pls, tell me what you understand by these verse: (on the same issue of commandment)
Joh 15:10If you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.

Jesus observes the fathers commandments , does the almighty God observe other persons commandment?

for better understanding of what Jesus said, read the following verses :
[b]Joh 15:15I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, because I have made known to you all the things I have heard from my father

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.

Joh 14:10Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.

Joh 17:6“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
Joh 17:7Now they have come to know that all the things you gave me are from you;
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.

YOU ASK QUESTIONS , YET YOU REFUSE TO EXAMINE SCRIPTURES THAT GIVES YOU THE ANSWER.

Joh 14:15“If you love me, you will observe my commandments.
Jesus gave his followers commandments, those commandments does not mean Jesus is the almighty God, as Jesus as said several times, all he says (including the commandments)comes from his God, he is sent by his God to pass certain messages and instructions to mankind, to those who his God gave him on earth.
read the preceeding verses for better understanding!

Joh 14:10Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.

in addition read this verses:
Joh 7:16Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him who sent me.
Joh 8:28Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things.
Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
nothe only does these verses throw your trinity doctrine into the dustbin, it also teaches you the role Jesus plays in jehovahs plans!

As for Matt 19:17, look at the previous verse and the next two verses, understand what the person was asking Jesus, thus you will know which commandments Jesus was talking about.
read Le 18:5 and Lu 10:25-28.

DoctorAlien:
Does John 10:18 agree with you?

yes it agrees, it does not alter the or contradict the scriptures I quoted to you(which you can't explain anyway)
Joh 10:18No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

almighty God, the supreme being, the most high , does not receive commandments from anyone!

@ Johnw74 and at brocab, whenever you are ready, you will quote the full text of the paragraph you have issues with!

DoctorAlien:
Jesus was crucified and He died. So tell me, who took His life?

those who killed him.
King James Version
Ac 2:23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
King James Version
Ac 5:30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew/(killed) and hanged on a tree.

DoctorAlien:
Barny95,

GOD subjected everything under Jesus' feet and Jesus Himself is subject to His Father. However, that text does not say that Jesus is not GOD.

no , it means Jesus is not almighty God, he is not the supreme being, he is not the most high, cus almighty God, the supreme being, the most high IS NOT SUBJECTED TO ANYONE!

Consider this: Jesus says He will send the Holy Spirit to His disciples. Now, is the Holy Spirit Jesus' servant or?

who gave the holy spirit? Read the scriptures !

Ac 2:16On the contrary, this is what was said through the prophet Joel:
Ac 2:17‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams,

Ac 2:32God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
Ac 2:33 Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.
Joh 14:26[u]But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name,[/u] that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.

THOSE VERSES THROWS OUT YOUR TRINITY DOCTRINE.
read the whole chapter 2 of acts and get a better understanding, if you have a problem about the prophecies and scriptures that Peter quoted from when making his speech, ask me and ill bring them out for you!

The Trinity is a Mystery in which the Father constantly seeks the glorify the Son and the Spirit, the Son constantly seeks to glorify the Father and the Spirit, with the Spirit constantly seeking to glorify the Father and the Son.

If Jesus Christ is not GOD, why does He possess all the attributes of GOD?

watevery attributes Jesus possessed , he learnt it from his father.
watever Jesus did, he learnt it from the father .
Jesus cannot be the almighty God and yet he is being shown greater works , you cannot show almighty God anything greater!
The fact that Jesus is being exalted and sits at the right hand of God shows that Jesus is not the God he is at the right hand of!
that you read in the scriptures that God is talking to Jesus should have made you understand that God is not talking to himself!

DoctorAlien:
JWs claim Jesus is not GOD.

Let's see another undisputable proof that Jesus is GOD.

"If ye love me, keep my commandments" Jn. 14:15

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, GOD: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matt. 19:17

Jesus asks us to keep His commandments, as a sign of our love for Him. Jesus also tells us that if we're to enter into life, we are to keep the commandments.

We know that the commandments He asked us to keep in Matt. 19:17 is GOD's commandments.(See Rev. 14:12).

Now, Jesus refers to those same commandments as His own in Jn. 14:15. Does it not mean Jesus is GOD?

Our JW brothers, can you answer this?

if you read the scriptures you will understand where the commands came from , but you don't, you only search for verses that suite your doctrine.

pls, tell me what you understand by these verse: (on the same issue of commandment)
Joh 15:10If you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.

Jesus observes the fathers commandments , does the almighty God observe other persons commandment?

for better understanding of what Jesus said, read the following verses :
[b]Joh 15:15I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, because I have made known to you all the things I have heard from my father

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.

Joh 14:10Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.

Joh 17:6“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
Joh 17:7Now they have come to know that all the things you gave me are from you;
Joh 17:8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.

READ THE SCRIPTURES!

Emusan:
With the same level your studies have taken you to, is it only NWT that you have no issue with

no, but note, my study of other translations is very limited.

Is it only NWT your studies limited on or NWT and some specific translations

any translation I come across, but it's based on a particular verse, not the whole translation. and it is also dependent on the topic under discussion.

What I saw here, is comparing NIV and KJV and it shows that NIV is accurate than KJV in all these based on the point you raised. So, do you have any issue with NIV? At least the reason you can notice those points from KJV is because you have one translation to check the accuracy of the other one.

maybe you did not read the points I made after I quoted the verses, Ill repost them and put the point in red for you to read and respond to, note it is not about accuracy, but the difference in meaning and message passed!

(1) 1 John 5: 7
NIV translation : For there are three that testify:
KJV says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Apart from the fact that they do not have the same words , they also do not have the same meaning or are they telling us the same thing?
so can you explain these differences in that verse?

(2) rev 1:8
NIV says :"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
KJV says : I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
the words " the begginING and the ending" cannot be found in the NIV, pls tell us why, cus such words go a long way in telling us who that verse is referring to.
are those words meant to be their like in the KJV or not meant to be their like in the NIV?

(3) isaiah 9:6
NIV says: You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as warriors rejoice when dividing the plunder.
KJV says: Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
NIV helps us to understand that God increased their joy while KJV says the opposite, can you espanciate on the difference between the two and tell us which is right and which is wrong? cus they give us different meaning!

another one is 1 ti:3:16, kjv says "God was manifest in the flesh", but the NIV says " he appeared in the flesh".
pls tell us, did the NIV translate the Greek word for God "theos" to "he" in that verse or did the KJV Translate the Greek word for "he" to "god"?

I'm not here to discuss how I arrive at a point, I'm here to discuss the point I arrive at!

It is!

to you

As if I don't know!

good that you have such knowledge

And no name of what you're studying.

the scriptures

So, was your study limited to only NWT? At least if someone want to judge rightly, the person can't use one single sample.

no, I just gave you differences in meaning and message from 2 translations you agree with.

If your study is genuine and has no string into it you suppose to combine nothing less than 5 translations at once to study about.

you so not determine how I study and what I study for, you can only have issues with the result of my study.

Emusan:
Do you accept ALL TRANSLATIONS in NWT? Simple!
@bold-lol...but you got issue with other translations.

How can I answer such question when I've not studied all verses in one single translations talk less of all translations. I don't even know all translations, but as far as my present studies has taken me, I've got no issues with the NWT Yet!

I've got issues with verses from some other translations that I've studied!

But not accept some verses translation.

yes

Who told you i don't accept the translation of ALL VERSES in those version. My friend there is no version I list there that I don't accept.

No! They didn't translate the scripture differently but each uses different mode/style in translation which doesn't change the meaning of writer's mind. In other word, what ever you read in KJV has the same meaning in NIV.

let's examine 3 verses

(1)1 John 5: 7
NIV translation : For there are three that testify:

KJV says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Apart from the fact that they do not have the same words , they also do not have the same meaning or are they telling us the same thing?
so can you explain these differences in that verse?

(2) rev 1:8
NIV says :"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

KJV says : I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
the words " the begginING and the ending" cannot be found in the NIV, pls tell us why, cus such words go a long way in telling us who that verse is referring to.
are those words meant to be their like in the KJV or not meant to be their like in the NIV?

(3)isaiah 9:6
NIV says: You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as warriors rejoice when dividing the plunder.

KJV says: Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
NIV helps us to understand that God increased their joy while KJV says the opposite, can you espanciate on the difference between the two and tell us which is right and which is wrong? cus they give us different meaning!

another one is 1 ti:3:16, kjv says "God was manifest in the flesh", but the NIV says " he appeared in the flesh".
pls tell us, did the NIV translate the Greek word for God "theos" to "he" in that verse or did the KJV Translate the Greek word for "he" to "god"?

That's the simple Truth.

it's not that simple

But you can do that for NWT which simply means any translation that doesn't render John 1:1 as "...and the word was a god" is no no no for you.

yes

You examine such fact through

study

FACT!!! Have you stopped going up and down with Watchtower & Awake in your bag knocking on people's door

My question still remains; do you accept ALL VERSES in NWT

I've accepted the verses of the NWT that I've had the opportunity of studying!

tunbebes:
Abi. It's so annoying nah. Attention seekers. I'm a jw but I go out to preach and I don't create uneceesary topics to draw attention.

I envy you, haven't done that in years!

Emusan:
No you only quote verses that suit you when you like.

hope you are not expecting me to accept all translations of the same verse.
I told you why and when I use different translations.
do you accept all the translations of aLl verses?

Simply because it's your organization version nothing more nothing less.

your views, nothing I can do about that!

I know you will use style to dodge my question but I'll repeat it again is it ONLY NWT that is correct (that is, NO SINGLE verse was wrong in its translation) in all ENGLISH versions that we have?

seems you did not understand what I said, how can I answer such question when I've not studied all verses in one single translations talk less of all translations. I don't even know all translations, but as far as my present studies has taken me, I've got no issues with the NWT Yet!

If your answer is NO! Kindly, show us another translation that is accurate.

can't do that, not studied all verses in any single translations.

No a verse is what the ORIGINAL Hebrew or Greek means not dependent of the reader and the only fact that can brought forth to support them must come from those who chose to study these languages which we called SCHOLARS.

you just agreed with me, fact is there are differences in scholars views as to the words and meaning of verses in the scriptures. you examine such facts and you as a reader comes to your own personal conclusions.

But what of the familiar ones like NIV, Amplified, NLT, KJV, RSV, ASV, CJB, NASB? Are these translations accurate in all verses or not?

you yourself know you do not support all the verses in the translations you mentioned , why do you ask a question you know the truth about.
These translations translated the scriptures differently from each other which you are aware of, it seems you just want to argue!

There's no view, you're a JWs simple and truth. So, all this new belief doesn't add up anything. Like I said, you can continue to tell those kids in your area that one.

your opinion, like I said, their is little I can do if you have issues with the source of my beliefs, never said my personal beliefs are new!

[quote author=solite3 post=49391080][/quote]I told you to modify the post,correct the issues there and to not repost the same post that we will not see what you posted when quoting you!

Emusan:
Ok give us some links to where you're getting this study of yours

go through my post , if there are issues about difference in verses, I usually give facts about what I've learnt.

If I may ask, is it ONLY NWT that is correct (that is, NO SINGLE verse was wrong in its translation) in all ENGLISH versions that we have

as far as my studies have allowed me, I've not had any personal issues with the NWT. A verse being wrong or right is dependent on the reader and facts brought forward to surport such translation.

If your answer is NO! Please, kindly list any English translation you know that translated ALL BIBLE VERSES correctly like NWT

I've not studied all verses in any single translation translation.

Chill pal, you can tell that to those kids in your area. Once you stop attending Kingdom Hall's meeting, stop reading watchtower & awake magazine. I will take you serious on your new belief but as long as these three things never departed from you you're still 100% JWs in belief and study.

like I've said before, their is little I can do about your views as to the source of my personal beliefs, if you have issues with my beliefs, we can discuss such beliefs, if you gave issues with the source, pls contact the source!

[quote author=solite3 post=49383060][/quote]sir I can't go through the stress of copying and pasting your post again, pls modify your post so one can respond to your post. If you need a response , put your post in order, if you don't want me to respond, leave it as it is!

Emusan:
Through study of the original Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek manuscripts, right?

inclusive but not limited to the above

But you have right to declare another version WRONG all because NWT it's your organization translation. Keep fooling yourself!

once I can provide facts to surpport my personal beliefs, note I did not declare any version wrong, we are talking about verses, not the whole translation.

Personal belief as if you've stopped attending Kingdom Hall's meeting or stopped reading watchtower & awake publications.

if you have issues as to the source of my perzonal beliefs, their is little I can do about that!

DoctorAlien:
Well, I'll only answer the question when you make your opinion on this issue clear by inserting the words "to save" after "if Jesus had power" in that quote.

suite yourself

Mrbllymer:
Omg!

Is it because you refused to take blood you survived?

Thought you are way passed maturity age to have understood that was a harmless question but reverse was the case.

the answer to your question is no!
just to tell you that the taking or not taking of blood does not guarantee survival

solite3:
so you prefer to see someone one die than help them?

there are many Faithfull Christians who died while God could have helped them to survive the cause of their dead. so dying should not be an issue cus You have been promised resurrection!, if you claim to have that faith, live by it!
I will not break God's law so that someone will live for a few more years when the hope of evalasting life is their for that person to gain if he remains faithful to the end!

Why did David enter the temple and took bread which was only meant for priest and gave it to his men? Why did he not allow them die so that they will attain resurrection?

in your aim to justify breaking God's law so as to save oneself , you did not catch or explain the whole story

1Sa 21:3Now if there are five loaves of bread at your disposal, just give them to me, or whatever is available.”
1Sa 21:4But the priest answered David: “There is no ordinary bread on hand, but there is holy bread—provided that the young men have kept away from women.”
1Sa 21:5David answered the priest: “Women have certainly been kept away from us as on previous occasions when I went out on a campaign. If the bodies of the young men are holy even when the mission is ordinary, how much more so today should they be holy!
1Sa 21:6So the priest gave him the holy bread, because there was no bread there except the showbread, which had been removed from Jehovah’s presence to be replaced by fresh bread on the day it was taken away.
*the bread given to David can be disposed of by the priest
* the condition the priest gave for eating the bread where met
* the bread have been removed from jehovahs presence.

when you examine the scriptures without a need to search for something to argue with,one will understand better

Le 22:10“‘No unauthorized person/{stranger}may eat anything holy. No foreign guest of a priest or hired worker may eat anything holy.

pls tell us
1. can you be excused for breaking God's law cus you want to live further

DO YOU KNOW THAT THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS LOVE which you love to break.

you did not quote what the command says, modifying it will not help you!

Mt 22:36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Mt 22:37He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.
Mt 22:38This is the greatest and first commandment
Mt 22:39The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’

BUT IT PAYS YOU TO PUT THE SECOND LAW BEFORE THE FIRST SO AS TO SAVE A LIFE TEMPORARILY AND BREAKS GOD'S LAW!

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

It would do us good if you could actually insert the words "to save" after the words "if Jesus had power" in the quote below, so we can know your stand on this issue.

leave to save out of it for now, answer the question the way it was asked! or can you save without power or authority?

Notruthatall:
I am not aJw,butI don't believe in blood transfusion. It is logical to say that abstainance also negates ingestion

Christians where told to abstain from something, simple directive. jesus said those who lose their life's for my sake will have it back, but some will like to have that life that jesus promised but are not ready to have their faith in that promise tested, they prefer to enjoy this sinful, hate filled, satan controlled world as much as they can , even if it requires breaking God's law!

DoctorAlien:
2 Thess. 2:10-12 begins to make sense when you look at the false doctrines of the JWs, just like this one;

your refusal to accept and explain the scriptures I showed to you points to a fact that the verses you mentioned is talking to you. You just want to find fault, yet not ready to explain scriptures!

Emusan:
@bold-I can't help but laugh

So;
1. How do you know when a particular verse was translated correctly or wrongly?

through study

2. Do you ever believe a particular verse in NWT version was ever translated wrongly?

no!

note: the answers to your question are my present personal beliefs.