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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 9:51pm On Aug 28, 2016
solite3:
I can counter all your thread with nothing but the bible but want to put this argument to end.
fact: you have not countered my post with the bible!
Dolphinheart if you are honest answer my questions.
Did God create all things through Christ?
Col 1:16because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.

Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
God created jesus and used jesus to create all other things , read proverbs 8:22-30

Pr 8:30 Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

If Jesus is the son of the true God, is it not also logical to say that Jesus is true God?
no , for jesus has identified the father as the only one that is the true God, unless you want to claim that jesus is the father, is jesus the same person as the father?
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

By whom was all things created by Jesus or by God?
all things are created by God through jesus Christ

Is God going to judge the world by himself?
Joh 5:22For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.

Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.


hope this answers your question, God has appointed jesus Christ to do the judging, giving him authority and power, but jesus judges based on what he has been taught by the father!
Joh 5:30I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

Who has all authority both in heaven and on earth?
God, the father, the almighty God, jehovah has all authority and he gives it to whoever he pleases to carry out his work and will.

It was given to jesus:
[b]Mt 28:18Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
Joh 17:2 just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him.
eph 1:19and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength,
Eph 1:20, 21which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,
1Pe 3:22He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers color=red]were made subject to him[/color][/b]

you can read this also
Lu 4:6Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
Joh 19:11Jesus answered him: “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been granted to you from above. This is why the man who handed me over to you has greater sin.”
Jude 25to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.[/b]

Like the authority given to his disciples , the authority given to jesus was for a purpose, it does not make jesus equal to the one who gave him the authority.
[b]1Co 15:24Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.
1Co 15:27For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him
1Co 15:28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone


Heb 2:8All things you subjected under his feet.” By subjecting all things to him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him.


Who is the mighty God?
not only one person is called the mighty god.
This does not mean that the mighty God is made up of multiple persons.
but only one person is called, has identified himself as the almighty God!
Ge 17:1When Aʹbram was 99 years old, Jehovah appeared to Aʹbram and said to him: “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless.

Who should you put your faith in, in God or in Christ?
I should say both, but it will be confusing.
If you put your faith in Christ, you are putting your faith in the one who sent him.
All the things you heard from jesus are from his father, and believing the things jesus said leads to evaluating life.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you,(1) the only true God, and (2)the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
you can't put faith in one and not put fAith in the other.

Is it possible to serve two masters?
nop

Who is the King of kings and the Lord of lords?
Answer this maybe your eyes can be opened
Re 17:14These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.”

note: pls notice that I answered aLl your questions, so please answer mine when you respond.
If you have issues with any scripture and explanation I posted, pls tell us your own view of the scriptures I posted.
cutting off part of my post will not be accepted
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 8:12pm On Aug 28, 2016
FULL TEXT OF MY POST:
dolphinheart

you yourself confirm that it's Gods name: God’s name transliterates to YHWH


the kjv is not consistent on these! why?

King James Version
Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

King James Version
Ex 6:3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

very interesting!

good you noticed :thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”

what is God's name in English! at least you have given us the probable pronunciation of the name in Hebrew!

johnw74:
One might assume then that the Watchtower would prefer to use the accurate version of God's name, rather than the superstitious rendition. The word Jehovah is not an accurate form of the divine name. It can be argued that it is the common pronunciation in English and it is not important to use the name in its correct version. It is strange though that the version chosen actually incorporates the very reason that the divine name stopped being used in the first place.

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simple question, what is God's name in English?
is "jehovah" a superstitious rendering of God's name?
what is the correct version of God name?

you feel one should not use "jehovah", but you offer no alternative.
you want to stop Gods name from being used, how are people to know the Name to be sanctified ?
Mt 6:9“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified

You say "It is strange though that the version chosen actually incorporates the very reason that the divine name stopped being used in the first place". on the contrary, it is the attempt by your fore fathers to wipe out God name that has led to the drive to find out God's name. You have gone to great lengths in omitting it from the scriptures.
If God did not want his name to be known, he will not have told his servants several times and had it recorded so that every isrealities and people the world over will know that name!
Ps 83:18 May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.


his servants, prophets , isrealites used that name thousands of times, and God had it recorded for future generations to see it is being used and how it is being used!
Isa 54:5“For your Grand Maker is as your husband, Jehovah of armies is his name, And the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. He will be called the God of the whole earth.

you prefer that the name is stopped being used but we are told to sing praises to his name, how can you do that if you don't know it or if you stop using it , thereby making the real pronunciation of the name to be lost over time!
Ps 68:4Sing to God; sing praises to his name. Sing to the One riding through the desert plains. Jah is his name! Rejoice before him!

The Jews tried to forget God's name, refusing to pronounce it, this effort was carried out for a long time, when jesus came , he changed such actions

[b]Ex 20:24An altar of earth you are to make for me, and you will sacrifice on it your burnt offerings, your communion sacrifices, your flock, and your herd. In every place where I cause my name to be remembered I will come to you and I will bless you.

[b]Joh 17:25Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me.
Joh 17:26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”

johnw74, pls tell , if you know the father, what is his name that jesus had made known to his disciples?
Joh 17:6“ I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.

The kjv translates God's name in English as "Jehovah" , the psalmist says that is God's name . look at what the psalmist also say:

[b]King James Version
Ps 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.


GO AND READ PSALM 22, UNDERSTAND THE PROPHETIC WORDS AND KNOW THAT JESUS AND JEHOVAH ARE TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS!

Ac 15:14Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.
Heb 2:12as he says: “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will praise you with song.”
Eze 36:23‘I will certainly sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the nations, which you profaned among them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 7:07pm On Aug 28, 2016
johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

#3 Yes the Father and the Son are two diffrent persons, I wouldn't have thought that needed affirming.
some believe jesus and the father are same person!


And it's true, the Father is the only true God
the Word is also the only true God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
there are many more verses showing that the Word Jesus Christ is God if you don't believe that one.
1." only true God" is not a title , jesus is telling you that the father is the only one that is the True God
2. no where in the scriptures is jesus refered to as the true God.
3. "The word was with God", in other words, the word was with the true God, how can one person be with another person and still be that same person. The word was with God(one person, not group of person), the word was with the true God, the word is not the true God.
4. jesus use of the word "only" when identifying the father as true God has put payed to any attempt to add any other person to the true God!

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
jesus continued the statement with "and the one whom you sent". jesus fully indicates that he is not the true God as he(jesus) is the one who the true God sent!
no verse says the true God sent the or a true God.


The last first, Yes Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, that does not say Jesus Christ is not God, it does say Jesus Christ is not the Father.
even the apostles confirmed it when jesus asked them who he is :

Mt 16:15He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?”
Mt 16:16Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Simon Peter did not say you are God!
[b]Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
1Jo 4:15Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is God’s Son, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.


The verses showing that the Father is greater than the Son are not saying the Son is not God,
my Father is greater than I, but I am still human as he is.[/quote]how is your father greater than you?
you father is human, you are human, are you the same human? no ,you are two different humans with different physical and mental capabilities. your logic just destroyed the trinity!

Father is the Son's God, does not show that the Son is not God.
father is the sons God, shows that jesus has a God!, the almighty God does have someone superior to him!

God is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, does not show that the Lord Jesus Christ is not God.
it shows that jesus is not the supreme being as he has a God. you statement "God is the father of the Lord jesus christ" perfectly tells you who our God is , he is the father of jesus Christ , we don't have a multiple persons God.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
jesus did not call himself our God, he was ascending to someone else who he identified as our God!

You haven't posted one verse showing that Jesus Christ is not God.
If you wan't to see many Bible verses that clearly show the Word Jesus Christ is God, just ask.
show me verses that identifies jesus as
1. The almighty God
2. The most high
3, the supreme being
4. the highest
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 2:20pm On Aug 28, 2016
FULL TEXT OF MY POST THAT WAS REPLIED:
dolphinheart
truth is constant, it does not change!


lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.



22:44 Εἶπεν " It-had-said ," Κύριος " Authority-belonged," τῷ " unto-the-one " [/color=red]κυρί[/color]ῳ " unto-Authority-belonged" μου "of-me ," Κάθου "Thou-should-sit-down "
ἐκ " out" δεξιῶν "of-right-belonged " μου " of-me " ἕως "unto-if-which " ἂν "ever " θῶ " I-might-have-had-placed "
τοὺς "to-the-ones " ἐχθρούς " to-en-emnitied " σου "of-thee " ὑποκάτω " under-down-unto-which " τῶν "of-the-ones " ποδῶν " of-feet " σου; " of-thee ?"

source : www.qbible.com/greek-new-testament/matthew/22.html
HOPE YOU NOTICED THE TWO GREEK WORDS "Κύριος " AND "κυρί" ARE DIFFERENT, THE GREEK WORD "Κύριος " DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE!

BELOW ARE THE DIFFERENT GREEK TEXT OF MATTHEW 22:44, NOTICE THAT THE GREEK WORD "Κύριος" DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE!
[b]Nestle GNT 1904
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort 1881
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Εἴπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Tischendorf 8th Edition
εἶπεν κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
Εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου[/b]
source : biblehub.com/text/matthew/22-44.htm

The Greek word "κύριος" is transliterated to "kyrios" or "kurios", below is how it is being defined.

kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

HELPS Word-studies
2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising
absolute ownership rights ; lord ( Lord ).
[In the papyri, 2962 ( kýrios ) likewise denotes an
owner ( master) exercising full rights.]

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
[color=red]lord, master

NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (cool, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1).

source: biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm


Word Definition [ Thayer's | Strong's ]
Thayer's Definition
1. he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
a. the possessor and disposer of a thing
1. the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
2. in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
b. is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet


Johnw74 could not post the Greek text of matthew 22:44 cus he knows that the in the Greek texts, the Greek word which was transliterated to "kurios" or "kyrios" did not occur twice!.
He wanted to use Strongs numbering which groups words into numbers, but he could not explain with the use of numbers when another number that is used for "God" was show to him!


johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

lie lie feel free to post your full post if you think it shows you didn't say your quote above
you don't have to keep asking me to post it, me who has no interest in your full post on the Word being "a god"
and "a two headed god" at that, no you can have that to yourself

Here again is the unedited part I'm interested in:

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."


You lie lie dolphinheart called God and the Word "a two headed god"
pls kindly post the full , unedited texts of that post for anyone interested to see
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 2:16pm On Aug 28, 2016
FULL TEXT OF MY POST BEFORE MAIN POINTS ARE REMOVED:

"truth is constant, it does not change!

lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.

22:44 Εἶπεν " It-had-said ," Κύριος " Authority-belonged," τῷ " unto-the-one " [/color=red]κυρί[/color]ῳ " unto-Authority-belonged" μου "of-me ," Κάθου "Thou-should-sit-down "
ἐκ " out" δεξιῶν "of-right-belonged " μου " of-me " ἕως "unto-if-which " ἂν "ever " θῶ " I-might-have-had-placed "
τοὺς "to-the-ones " ἐχθρούς " to-en-emnitied " σου "of-thee " ὑποκάτω " under-down-unto-which " τῶν "of-the-ones " ποδῶν " of-feet " σου; " of-thee ?"

source : www.qbible.com/greek-new-testament/matthew/22.html
HOPE YOU NOTICED THE TWO GREEK WORDS "Κύριος " AND "κυρί" ARE DIFFERENT, THE GREEK WORD "Κύριος " DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE!

BELOW ARE THE DIFFERENT GREEK TEXT OF MATTHEW 22:44, NOTICE THAT THE GREEK WORD "Κύριος" DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE!
[b]Nestle GNT 1904
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort 1881
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Εἴπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Tischendorf 8th Edition
εἶπεν κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
Εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου[/b]
source : biblehub.com/text/matthew/22-44.htm

The Greek word "κύριος" is transliterated to "kyrios" or "kurios", below is how it is being defined.

kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

HELPS Word-studies
2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising
absolute ownership rights ; lord ( Lord ).
[In the papyri, 2962 ( kýrios ) likewise denotes an
owner ( master) exercising full rights.]

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
[color=red]lord, master

NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (cool, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1).

source: biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm


Word Definition [ Thayer's | Strong's ]
Thayer's Definition
1. he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
a. the possessor and disposer of a thing
1. the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
2. in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
b. is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet


Johnw74 could not post the Greek text of matthew 22:44 cus he knows that the in the Greek texts, the Greek word which was transliterated to "kurios" or "kyrios" did not occur twice!.
He wanted to use Strongs numbering which groups words into numbers, but he could not explain with the use of numbers when another number that is used for "God" was show to him!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

of course you cannot tell the truth, that is well known, and you keep proving it



I posted the greek and I gave the source, but when you lie you are speaking naturally
here it is again copied and posted from e-Sword KJV with Strongs Hebrew and Greek
Strongs Greek gives the word Kurios twice for Lord, for Father and Son in Matthew 22:44

ho kurios epo mou kurios kathemai ek mou dexios heos tithemi sou echthros sou hupopodion/pous
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748



false jw dolphinheart you heap way big lie lie all the time, and repeating your same lies, all the time
I asked you to post the "Greek text" of matthew 22:44 , the Greek text contains the Greek word "κύριος"(which is transliterated to kurios). tell us, does the Greek word "κύριος" that is transliterated to kurios appear twice in that verse!

many greek text of matthew 22:44 where posted to you(which you tried to cut off when replying), showing you that the Greek word "κύριος" only appeared once!

The KJV is translated from the Textus Receptus is it not? Let's see matthew 22:44 in the Textus Receptus :

Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ
τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου

source: textus-receptus.com/wiki/Matthew_22:44

Textus Receptus (Scrivener 1894)
ειπεν ο κυριος τω κυριω μου καθου εκ δεξιων μου εως αν θω τους εχθρους σου υποποδιον των ποδων σου

Textus Receptus (Stephanus 1550)
ειπεν ο κυριος τω κυριω μου καθου εκ δεξιων μου εως αν θω τους εχθρους σου υποποδιον των ποδων σου

source: www.textusreceptusbibles.com/Interlinear/40022044


CAN YOU NOTICE THAT THE GREEK WORD κύριος DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE IN THAT VERSE, SO ONE WONDERS WHERE YOU GOT THAT GREEK WORD TO APPEAR TWICE.
pls tell us, from what text does your e-sword get its transliteration from?

Note: kurios is a transliteration of the Greek word κύριος
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 3:34pm On Aug 27, 2016
BIBLE TRUTHS THAT CANNOT BE DISPROVED.

. John17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
1. Jesus identified the true God
2. Jesus says he is the only true God
3. Jesus statement signifies he is different person from the only true God (he was sent by the only true God)
4. The only true God is the father!
5. The whole chapter 17 gives more insight as to the relationship between him and his father!

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
1. jesus did not only indicate that the father is God, he irrevocably explains that the father is his God!
2. jesus also tells us that the father is our God

[b]Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.[/color]
1. jesus indicates that the father is greater than him!

1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
1. The disciples tell us that God is the head of Christ.
2. just as a man cannot be the woman he is the head of, likewise God cannot be jesus that he is the head of!

[b]Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
Eph 1:3Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,

1. The disciples identified God to be the father of jesus Christ.

[b]57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Mr 15:34And at the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Joh 5:19Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner.

Joh 8:42Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.
Joh 13:16Most truly I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.

1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.[/b]
1.God did not send himself
2. God sent his son
3. is son is not him that was sent

COMPARE THE WORDS OF THOSE WHO TELL YOU THAT JESUS IS GOD TO WHAT THE SCRIPTURES TELL YOU TO BELIEVE:
[b]Joh 20:30, 31To be sure, Jesus also performed many other signs before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll.31But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 2:33pm On Aug 27, 2016
johnw74:
I'm not interisted in your false doctrine post of the Word being "a god" as you know,
but you use any and every means of running away from the issue
and the issue is your blasphemy and the sentence where you blasphemed God:

The Opening Post was about John 1:1 and the Word being God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You lie lie dolphinheart said concerning my God and the God of all Christians,
that is, concerning John 1:1 and the Word being God:

"your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."


Of course you could and would lie lie dolphinheart post your full post if it changed what you said phony,
but it doesn't, you just love to lie

dolphinheart you are a heap way big huge lie lie wink
kindly post the full, unedited text of that post for anyone interested to see!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 2:32pm On Aug 27, 2016
MY FULL POST, SHOWING THE PARTS THAT HAD BEEN DELIBERATELY CUT OFF!

"DOLPHINHEART:
truth is constant, it does not change!
lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.

22:44 Εἶπεν " It-had-said ," Κύριος " Authority-belonged," τῷ " unto-the-one " [/color=red]κυρί[/color]ῳ " unto-Authority-belonged" μου "of-me ," Κάθου "Thou-should-sit-down "
ἐκ " out" δεξιῶν "of-right-belonged " μου " of-me " ἕως "unto-if-which " ἂν "ever " θῶ " I-might-have-had-placed "
τοὺς "to-the-ones " ἐχθρούς " to-en-emnitied " σου "of-thee " ὑποκάτω " under-down-unto-which " τῶν "of-the-ones " ποδῶν " of-feet " σου; " of-thee ?"

source : www.qbible.com/greek-new-testament/matthew/22.html
HOPE YOU NOTICED THE TWO GREEK WORDS "Κύριος " AND "κυρί" ARE DIFFERENT, THE GREEK WORD "Κύριος " DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE!

BELOW ARE THE DIFFERENT GREEK TEXT OF MATTHEW 22:44, NOTICE THAT THE GREEK WORD "Κύριος" DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE!
[b]Nestle GNT 1904
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort 1881
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Εἴπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Tischendorf 8th Edition
εἶπεν κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
Εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου[/b]
source : biblehub.com/text/matthew/22-44.htm

The Greek word "κύριος" is transliterated to "kyrios" or "kurios", below is how it is being defined.

kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

HELPS Word-studies
2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising
absolute ownership rights ; lord ( Lord ).
[In the papyri, 2962 ( kýrios ) likewise denotes an
owner ( master) exercising full rights.]

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
[color=red]lord, master

NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (cool, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1).

source: biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm


Word Definition [ Thayer's | Strong's ]
Thayer's Definition
1. he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
a. the possessor and disposer of a thing
1. the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
2. in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
b. is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet


Johnw74 could not post the Greek text of matthew 22:44 cus he knows that the in the Greek texts, the Greek word which was transliterated to "kurios" or "kyrios" did not occur twice!.
He wanted to use Strongs numbering which groups words into numbers, but he could not explain with the use of numbers when another number that is used for "God" was show to him!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

I said Kurios does appear twice in Matthew 22:44, you dolphin lied saying it didn't, and said post it
and I did post it, along with the source where I got it so that you can look it up yourself
and of course you lie lie said: "lies show where you copied and pasted", duh such lies and confusion
but then satan calls truth lies as well, you lie lie are just following your god
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you are still repeating your same old twisted confusion and lies because it is all you have
lack of comprehension of what's said, non understanding of the Bible,
not accepting what is said to be true because there is no truth in you, false accusations and lies etc.
and showing what appears to be mental instability with posting even the same posts and the same things over and over again
lying comes naturally to you, and you think others are the same

Whereas you are happy to repeat lies over and over again
I,m even happier to be able to show the truth again and again
1. I have posted the Greek texts you refused to post.
2. I have shown you that the Greek word " kurios" does not appear twice in the verse
3. pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.(I did not ask you to tell us you had done it)

You say Yahovah doesn't mean God, although I have shown that it does
and you post many posts to try and prove that Jehovah doesn't mean God
actually you may be right for the first time, perhaps Jehovah doesn't mean God
but YAHWEH means God.

You say kurios doesn't appear twice in the greek for Matthew 22:44 even when shown it does

You are antichrist, denying the truth about the Lord

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son
Matthew 22:44 from the Greek shows both Father and Son to be Kurios (supreme in authority - God)
you false jw dolphinheart deny the Father and the Son and are antichrist

he who denies the Son does not have the Father
but not only in Matthew, you deny the Son in John 1:1 and in so many bible verses



you posted page after page, denials that you called God and the word "a two headed god"
saying all sorts of lies and confusion and accusing, twisting and so on

and you are doing the same thing with Jehovah meaning God, denying it, when it has been shown
that YAHWEH means: the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God

and you are doing the same with there being two kurios's in Matthew 22:44 in the Greek,
denying it when it was shown that there is



and it was shown that "kurios" means supreme in authority - God

and you go on and on trying to prove it not true because one of the kurios refers to Jesus

he is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son
if you have not the son you have not the Father also

a/c dolphinheart, remember, your whole world ha is watching you

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

That describes you to a T

if you have not the son you have not the Father also

you call the Son "a god"
Father calls the Son "God"
John calls the Father and the Son "God"
so to Thomas, Stephen etc. etc. call the Son "God"

you say there are two god's, almighty god and mighty god
I could go on and on with these truths just as you go on and on with your lies smiley
pls provide facts and direct us to where the above occurred.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 2:28pm On Aug 26, 2016
johnw74:
Because Jehovah Witness is discussing the meaning of Jehovah in this thread
I also will post on it.


YHWH means: The only self existant God

The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet. In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language. In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH). This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced.
you yourself confirm that it's Gods name: God’s name transliterates to YHWH


The tetragrammaton consists of four Hebrew letters: yodh, he, waw, and then he repeated. Some versions of the Bible translate the tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”; most translate it as “LORD” (all capital letters).
the kjv is not consistent on these! why?

Contrary to what some Christians believe (and at least one cult), Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages. Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain (Leviticus 24:16), the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai (“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios (“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three.
King James Version
Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,[/blue] art the most high over all the earth.

King James Version
Ex 6:3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, [color=red]by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

very interesting!

Any number of vowel sounds can be inserted within YHWH, and Jewish scholars are as uncertain of the real pronunciation as Christian scholars are. Jehovah is actually a much later (probably 16th-century) variant. The word Jehovah comes from a three-syllable version of YHWH, YeHoWeH. The Y was replaced with a J (although Hebrew does not even have a J sound) and the W with a V, plus the extra vowel in the middle, resulting in JeHoVaH. These vowels are the abbreviated forms of the imperfect tense, the participial form, and the perfect tense of the Hebrew being verb (English is)—thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”
good you noticed :thus the meaning of Jehovah could be understood as “He who will be, is, and has been.”

So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.

http://www.gotquestions.org/YHWH-tetragrammaton.html
what is God's name in English! at least you have given us the probable pronunciation of the name in Hebrew!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 2:13pm On Aug 26, 2016
johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

now now false jw, you should stop speaking to the whole world cheesy like this

showing them your inability to accept the truth
and showing your inability to stop lying, what will they think of you
FULL TEXT OF MY POST :
"
HOPE YOU NOTICED THEY CAN NEVER TOUCH OR EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED ABOVE.

1. De 6:4“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
the above is what the is realities believe, they do not believe their god is made up of multiple persons.

Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.
Mr 12:29Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,
Mr 12:32 The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;
*no other beside HIM!, and not no other beside them!(more than one person)
1Co 8:6 [color=blue]there is actually to us one God, the Father,
from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Isa 45:21Make your report, present your case. Let them consult together in unity. Who foretold this long ago And declared it from times past? Is it not I, Jehovah? There is no other God but me; A righteous God and a Savior, there is none besides me.
Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah”. Israel had just been liberated from Egypt, where Osiris, Isis, and Horus —one of a number of triads of gods—were worshipped. Therefore, Israel was commanded to worship just one God. How important was it for people to understand this command?

2. Isa 45:5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. There is no God except me. I will strengthen you, although you did not know me

3. [b]1Co 8:4Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.

UNDER THE SAME CONTEXT, IN THE SAME CHAPEL, BY THE SAME PERSON, WE ARE TOLD WHO THAT ONE GOD IS! READ BELOW:

1Co 8:4-6 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER!

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus
Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.

4. Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN CALLED JESUS HIS SON!
THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN APPROVED JESUS, ALMIGHTY GOD DOES NOT NEED APPROVAL!

Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
sa 11:2 And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Mr 1:10, 11And immediately on coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens being parted and, like a dove, the spirit coming down upon him.
11And a voice came out of the heavens: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”
Lu 4:18“ Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He SENT me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,
JESUS IS SENT BY JEHOVAH, JESUS IS NOT JEHOVAH!

Joh 1:32John also bore witness, saying: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him.
isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
GOD DID NOT SAY HE PUT HIS SPIRIT IN HIMSELF

Ac 10:38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

5. Mt 28:19Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
* pls ask those who believe in trinity:
1. how to they babtize in that name
2. what is that name
3. give a biblical and present example of such babtising.

6. Joh 10:30I and the Father are one.”
JESUS DID NOT SAY "I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE GOD".

joh 10:29 What my Father HAS GIVEN ME is something greater than all other things, and no one can snatch them out of the hand of the Father.
Joh 10:30I and the Father are one.”
Joh 10:38But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.”
Joh 17:11“I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one JUST AS we are one.
THE SAME ONENESS THAT APPLIES TO THE DISCIPLES APPLIES TO JESUS AND HIS FATHER TOO!

Joh 17:21so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with US, so that the world may believe that you sent me

7. Joh 14:9Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
IS JESUS THE FATHER? NOOOO!

Joh 12:45 and whoever sees me sees also THE ONE who sent me.
Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
(compare: Ge 5:3Adam lived for 130 years and then became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and he named him Seth.)

Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
Heb 1:3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.[/blue]
THE SCRIPTURES HAS EXPLAINED WHO JESUS IS!

UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS SAID
Joh 14:6-11Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. [color=blue]No one COME to the Father except through me.

7 If you men had known me, you would have known my Father also; from this moment on you know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
Joh 14:9Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.
Joh 14:11Believe me that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me; otherwise, believe because of the works themselves.
read joh 1:4, Joh 17:3 ,Ro 6:23, Ac 4:1, Mt 11:27, Joh 1:18,
Joh 5:36But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father assigned me to accomplish, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father sent me.

8. Ro 8:9,11 However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.
11If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.
THE HOLY SPIRIT BELONGS TO THE FATHER.

9.[b] Mt 1:20But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take your wife Mary home, for what has been conceived in her is by holy spirit.

Lu 1:35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be [color=blue]called holy, GOD'S SON!

10"

THEY CAN ONLY RESORT TO CUTTING THOSE SCRIPTURES OFF WHEN RESPONDING
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m):
johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

Of course your post is the same repeated lies etc
truth is constant, it does not change!

I have taken the trouble of copying and pasteing the greek of Matthew 22:44
one word at a time, for my pleasure at showing up your lies yet again one more time
lies!, pls show where you had copied and pasted the Greek text of Matthew 22:44.

from the e-Sword KJV with Strongs dictionary:

ho kurios epo mou kurios kathemai ek mou dexios heos tithemi sou echthros sou hupopodion/pous

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

of course kurios is used for both instances of Lord refering to Father and Son,
as has been said, and as you lied many times, including in your above quote saying it is not in that verse twice.

dolphinheart you way heap very big lie lie
22:44 Εἶπεν " It-had-said ," Κύριος " Authority-belonged," τῷ " unto-the-one " [/color=red]κυρί[/color]ῳ " unto-Authority-belonged" μου "of-me ," Κάθου "Thou-should-sit-down "
ἐκ " out" δεξιῶν "of-right-belonged " μου " of-me " ἕως "unto-if-which " ἂν "ever " θῶ " I-might-have-had-placed "
τοὺς "to-the-ones " ἐχθρούς " to-en-emnitied " σου "of-thee " ὑποκάτω " under-down-unto-which " τῶν "of-the-ones " ποδῶν " of-feet " σου; " of-thee ?"

source : www.qbible.com/greek-new-testament/matthew/22.html
HOPE YOU NOTICED THE TWO GREEK WORDS "Κύριος " AND "κυρί" ARE DIFFERENT, THE GREEK WORD "Κύριος " DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE!

BELOW ARE THE DIFFERENT GREEK TEXT OF MATTHEW 22:44, NOTICE THAT THE GREEK WORD "Κύριος" DOES NOT APPEAR TWICE!
[b]Nestle GNT 1904
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort 1881
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Westcott and Hort / [NA27 variants]
Εἶπεν Κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου;

RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Εἴπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Greek Orthodox Church 1904
εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Tischendorf 8th Edition
εἶπεν κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν σου.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
Εἶπεν ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου, Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου;

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
Εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου· Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου[/b]
source : biblehub.com/text/matthew/22-44.htm

The Greek word "κύριος" is transliterated to "kyrios" or "kurios", below is how it is being defined.

kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

HELPS Word-studies
2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising
absolute ownership rights ; lord ( Lord ).
[In the papyri, 2962 ( kýrios ) likewise denotes an
owner ( master) exercising full rights.]

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
[color=red]lord, master

NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (cool, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1).

source: biblehub.com/greek/2962.htm


Word Definition [ Thayer's | Strong's ]
Thayer's Definition
1. he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
a. the possessor and disposer of a thing
1. the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
2. in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
b. is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet


Johnw74 could not post the Greek text of matthew 22:44 cus he knows that the in the Greek texts, the Greek word which was transliterated to "kurios" or "kyrios" did not occur twice!.
He wanted to use Strongs numbering which groups words into numbers, but he could not explain with the use of numbers when another number that is used for "God" was show to him!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 12:20pm On Aug 26, 2016
johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart


you posted page after page, denials that you called God and the word "a two headed god"
saying all sorts of lies and confusion and accusing, twisting and so on
kindly post the full, unedited text of that post for anyone interested to see!

and you are doing the same thing with Yahovah meaning God, denying it, when it has been shown
that Yahovah means: the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God
johnw74: "yahovah means God"
the scholars you quoted are telling you that Jehovah is the name of the God of isreal, the God of is real is the one refered to as the eternal, self existant.
you had to cancel the words that describe the God called Jehovah to arrive at your meaning.

Jehovah ( / dʒᵻˈhoʊvə/ jə- HOH -və ) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one
vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible .

source : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah

Hebrew: יהוה
Transliteration: yehôvâh
Pronunciation: yeh-ho-vaw'
Definition: From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal;
{Jehovah} Jewish national name of God: - {Jehovah} the Lord. Compare {H3050 } H3069 .
KJV Usage: LORD (6,510x), GOD (4x), JEHOVAH (4x), variant (1x).
Occurs: 6519
In verses: 5521
source: bible concordance and strongs app

[b]Yhvh: the proper name of the God of Israel
Original Word: יְהֹוָה
Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yhvh
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw')
Short Definition: LORD

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from havah
Definition
the proper name of the God of Israel
NASB Translation
GOD (314), LORD (6399), LORD'S (111)

source: biblehub.com/hebrew/3068.htm

Strong’s Definitions [?]
Yᵉhôvâh, yeh-ho-vaw'; from H1961 ; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jeho-vah, Jewish national name of God:—Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050 H3069 .......
יְהֹוָה
Jehovah = "the existing One"
the proper name of the one true God
unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136

source: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h3068

WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURES TELL US ABOUT "JEHOVAH".
Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

Ps 68:4Sing to God; sing praises to his name. Sing to the One riding through the desert plains. Jah is his name! Rejoice before him!

Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Isa 54:5“For your Grand Maker is as your husband, Jehovah of armies is his name, And the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. He will be called the God of the whole earth.


johnw74, the scholars have told you about Jehovah, stop adjusting what they said, stop trying to find a different meaning to their words. The scriptures have explained that Jehovah is the name of the almighty God, listen to it!


and you are doing the same with there being two kurios's in Matthew 22:44 in the Greek,
denying it when it was shown that there is

Q. what christian would wan't to try and prove that Yahovah doesn't mean God?
A. no Christian would

and it was shown that "kurios" means supreme in authority - God

and you go on and on trying to prove it not true because one of the kurios refers to Jesus

he is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son
if you have not the son you have not the Father also

a/c dolphinheart, remember, watching you is the whole world smiley
pls direct us to where you got the info!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 11:09am On Aug 26, 2016
johnw74:
is this one well?
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you refuse to answer the question.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 11:07am On Aug 26, 2016
solite3:
@ dolphinheart why are you ignoring so many verses that clearly point to Jesus as God.

For example even the father called him God.

Jesus clearly said that he and his father are one, the Jews wanted to stone him because they understood that statement to mean he was God but did Jesus correct them?

Again Jesus had the power to forgive sins which only belongs to God.

Jesus referred to himself as Lord of the sabbath which was supposed to be Jehovah.

Jesus wasn't simply preaching people to repent and serve God, but was preaching that people should believe in him.
Who are we to put our faith on? Jehovah or Jesus Christ?
Jesus constantly receives worship even the father commanded Angels to worship him.
He is referred to as the might God.

He created all things
He has all power both in heaven and on earth.( almighty)

He knows all things, He is every where at the same time.

Even Thomas called him my God and my Lord

Dolphinheart my prayer for you is for your eyes to be open.
You have been indoctrinated.

Dolphinheart do you believe that Jesus is the son of God?
If you believe, then you already agreed that he is God but you don't know how.
Shallom
pls attach scriptures to source of your belief, and I'll once again explain things to you.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 12:40pm On Aug 25, 2016
dolphinheart:
1. Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I am.
THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS.

2. Joh 14:31But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do. Get up, let us go from here.
THE FATHER COMMANDS JESUS

3. Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. 33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear
Ac 7:55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING at God’s right hand,
GOD RESURRECTED JESUS, JESUS IS AT GOD'S RIGHT HAND.

4. Joh 14:12Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
JESUS HAS A FATHER, THE FATHER OF JESUS IS OUR FATHER
JESUS HAS A GOD , THE GOD OF JESUS IS OUR GOD.

NO WONDER THE DISCIPLES COULD SAY
2Co 1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,


5. Joh 16:28I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”[/blue]
Joh 3:16“ [color=blue]For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,
so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life
Ro 8:32 Since he did not even spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, will he not also, along with him, kindly give us all other things?
1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.[/blue]
JESUS WAS SENT BY GOD, GOD DID NOT SEND HIMSELF!

6. 1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, [color=blue]the head of the Christ is God.

JESUS IS NOT HIS OWN HEAD!

7. Joh 13:3So Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands and that he came from God and was going to God,
Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before Godon our behalf.
GOD DID NOT APPEAR BEFORE GOD!

EVEN IN HEAVEN
Re 3:2Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before my God
Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.


FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, AS THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN TRINITY TO EXPLAIN WHO IS THE "SOMEONE LIKE A SON OF MAN" AND WHO IS THE "ANCIENT OF DAYS"
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to [color]the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.[/color]
Da 7:14And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.



WHO ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH GOD?
Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.[/blue]


WHO IS JESUS IN RELATION TO THE MOST HIGH?
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be [color=blue]called Son of the Most High,
and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,


HONEST PEOPLE BACK THEN KNOW THE TRUTH
Mt 27:54But when the army officer and those with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and the things happening, they grew very much afraid and said: “Certainly this was God’s Son.”
Joh 1:49Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.”

EVEN THE DEMONS KNOW WHO JESUS IS
Lu 8:28At the sight of Jesus, he cried out and fell down before him, and with a loud voice, he said: “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me.”


I will not serve a trinity , I will follow the scriptures:
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
IF JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER, THEN JESUS IS NOT OUR ONE GOD

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,


Mal 2:10“Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us? So why do we deal treacherously with one another, profaning the covenant of our forefathers?

JESUS HIMSELF SAID :
Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.
Mt 23:10Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.


DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU TRINITY IS IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDER STANDING, YET THEY ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU!
HOPE YOU NOTICED THEY CAN NEVER TOUCH OR EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED ABOVE.

1. De 6:4“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
the above is what the is realities believe, they do not believe their god is made up of multiple persons.

Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.
Mr 12:29Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,
Mr 12:32 The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;
*no other beside HIM!, and not no other beside them!(more than one person)
1Co 8:6 [color=blue]there is actually to us one God, the Father,
from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Isa 45:21Make your report, present your case. Let them consult together in unity. Who foretold this long ago And declared it from times past? Is it not I, Jehovah? There is no other God but me; A righteous God and a Savior, there is none besides me.
Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah”. Israel had just been liberated from Egypt, where Osiris, Isis, and Horus —one of a number of triads of gods—were worshipped. Therefore, Israel was commanded to worship just one God. How important was it for people to understand this command?

2. Isa 45:5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. There is no God except me. I will strengthen you, although you did not know me

3. [b]1Co 8:4Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.

UNDER THE SAME CONTEXT, IN THE SAME CHAPEL, BY THE SAME PERSON, WE ARE TOLD WHO THAT ONE GOD IS! READ BELOW:

1Co 8:4-6 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER!

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus
Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.

4. Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN CALLED JESUS HIS SON!
THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN APPROVED JESUS, ALMIGHTY GOD DOES NOT NEED APPROVAL!

Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
sa 11:2 And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Mr 1:10, 11And immediately on coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens being parted and, like a dove, the spirit coming down upon him.
11And a voice came out of the heavens: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”
Lu 4:18“ Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He SENT me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,
JESUS IS SENT BY JEHOVAH, JESUS IS NOT JEHOVAH!

Joh 1:32John also bore witness, saying: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him.
isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
GOD DID NOT SAY HE PUT HIS SPIRIT IN HIMSELF

Ac 10:38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

5. Mt 28:19Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
* pls ask those who believe in trinity:
1. how to they babtize in that name
2. what is that name
3. give a biblical and present example of such babtising.

6. Joh 10:30I and the Father are one.”
JESUS DID NOT SAY "I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE GOD".

joh 10:29 What my Father HAS GIVEN ME is something greater than all other things, and no one can snatch them out of the hand of the Father.
Joh 10:30I and the Father are one.”
Joh 10:38But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.”
Joh 17:11“I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one JUST AS we are one.
THE SAME ONENESS THAT APPLIES TO THE DISCIPLES APPLIES TO JESUS AND HIS FATHER TOO!

Joh 17:21so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with US, so that the world may believe that you sent me

7. Joh 14:9Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
IS JESUS THE FATHER? NOOOO!

Joh 12:45 and whoever sees me sees also THE ONE who sent me.
Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
(compare: Ge 5:3Adam lived for 130 years and then became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and he named him Seth.)

Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
Heb 1:3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.[/blue]
THE SCRIPTURES HAS EXPLAINED WHO JESUS IS!

UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS SAID
Joh 14:6-11Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. [color=blue]No one COME to the Father except through me.

7 If you men had known me, you would have known my Father also; from this moment on you know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
Joh 14:9Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you I do not speak of my own originality, but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.
Joh 14:11Believe me that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me; otherwise, believe because of the works themselves.
read joh 1:4, Joh 17:3 ,Ro 6:23, Ac 4:1, Mt 11:27, Joh 1:18,
Joh 5:36But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father assigned me to accomplish, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father sent me.

8. Ro 8:9,11 However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.
11If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.
THE HOLY SPIRIT BELONGS TO THE FATHER.

9.[b] Mt 1:20But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take your wife Mary home, for what has been conceived in her is by holy spirit.

Lu 1:35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be [color=blue]called holy, GOD'S SON!

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Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 12:38pm On Aug 25, 2016
1. Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I am.
THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS.

2. Joh 14:31But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do. Get up, let us go from here.
THE FATHER COMMANDS JESUS

3. Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. 33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear
Ac 7:55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus STANDING at God’s right hand,
GOD RESURRECTED JESUS, JESUS IS AT GOD'S RIGHT HAND.

4. Joh 14:12Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
JESUS HAS A FATHER, THE FATHER OF JESUS IS OUR FATHER
JESUS HAS A GOD , THE GOD OF JESUS IS OUR GOD.

NO WONDER THE DISCIPLES COULD SAY
2Co 1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,


5. Joh 16:28I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”[/blue]
Joh 3:16“ [color=blue]For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,
so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life
Ro 8:32 Since he did not even spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, will he not also, along with him, kindly give us all other things?
1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.[/blue]
JESUS WAS SENT BY GOD, GOD DID NOT SEND HIMSELF!

6. 1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, [color=blue]the head of the Christ is God.

JESUS IS NOT HIS OWN HEAD!

7. Joh 13:3So Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands and that he came from God and was going to God,
Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before Godon our behalf.
GOD DID NOT APPEAR BEFORE GOD!

EVEN IN HEAVEN
Re 3:2Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before my God
Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.


FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, AS THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN TRINITY TO EXPLAIN WHO IS THE "SOMEONE LIKE A SON OF MAN" AND WHO IS THE "ANCIENT OF DAYS"
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to [color]the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.[/color]
Da 7:14And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.



WHO ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH GOD?
Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.[/blue]


WHO IS JESUS IN RELATION TO THE MOST HIGH?
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be [color=blue]called Son of the Most High,
and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,


HONEST PEOPLE BACK THEN KNOW THE TRUTH
Mt 27:54But when the army officer and those with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and the things happening, they grew very much afraid and said: “Certainly this was God’s Son.”
Joh 1:49Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.”

EVEN THE DEMONS KNOW WHO JESUS IS
Lu 8:28At the sight of Jesus, he cried out and fell down before him, and with a loud voice, he said: “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me.”


I will not serve a trinity , I will follow the scriptures:
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
IF JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER, THEN JESUS IS NOT OUR ONE GOD

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,


Mal 2:10“Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us? So why do we deal treacherously with one another, profaning the covenant of our forefathers?

JESUS HIMSELF SAID :
Mt 23:9Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.
Mt 23:10Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.


DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU TRINITY IS IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDER STANDING, YET THEY ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 12:17pm On Aug 25, 2016
johnw74:
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lemme remind you the 7th time: you refuse to answer the question
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 12:14pm On Aug 25, 2016
johnw74:
You could not possibly know the truth, no matter what was provided, you have been blinded
and I am not interested in proving truth to a/c dolphinheart and [size=14pt]we[/size] the whole world, smiley I'm interisted in showing up some of your many lies and your true colors, haven't you noticed that yet, duh

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
if you could provide the info I asked for , we will know if you are telling the truth or not!
I raised some important issues in my post, but you cut it off! TYPICAL!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 12:06pm On Aug 25, 2016
johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

your posts are your usual twisted confusion,
lack of comprehension of what's said, non understanding of the Bible,
not accepting what is said to be true because there is no truth in you, false accusations and lies
excuse for not being able to answer the question or address the issue being raised by my posts.

you keep asking for screen shots, websites links, etc etc
and all because lying is natural to you, and you think others are the same
and yet you could not provide them so that anyone interested could go there and see for him or herself!

you can believe what I say, I won't be wasting more time posting screen shots etc which you ask for, and then when provided you ignore them,
what a huge phony jw you are, you are exactly like your god
excuse!, this is what I asked for(you decided to limit it only to screenshot):
{1:02 pm, Aug 22, page 11 of these thread}
"haha, okay , pls post a screen shot , and tell us the name of the two e bible
you copied and pasted the definition of "kurios", pls direct us to where you copied it from!


I wonder why it's hard to provide such info!
I asked again : " please provide the link to such info! If it's a Web page, provide the link, if it's an app, tell us the name, if it's a book, let us know!
The most interesting part is that the KJV did not translate the Hebrew word as God, why?
If it means God, why did the KJV not translate it so?"


Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


You say Yahovah doesn't mean God, and you post many posts to try and prove it, ummmmm
yes, this is my post with explanation and facts:

The tetragammaton does not mean God and is never translated as God,
the word traslated as God :
elohim: God, god
Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: elohim
Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
Short Definition: God
source : biblehub.com/hebrew/430.htm

Jehovah is the name of God that the isrealites worshipped , it is not the meaning of God.


I now gave an example on the issue:
"Jehovah is the name of the almighty God, Jehovah does not mean God.
example: John is the name of a man, John does not mean man
Gabriel is the name of an angel, Gabriel does not mean angel
Samsung is the name of a phone, Samsung does not mean phone"


continuing on the same issue, I said this(you could not answer the questions there)
"1. The Kjv know it's Yahovah right!, but they decided to alter it to "LORD", it's such alteration that's confusing you. You know it's "Yahovah", but you alter it to "lord"

2.you yourself have now confirmed that their are two different words found in psalms 110:1, is Yahovah and adon the same word ? no , then why have you translated it to the same word in English!

3. did any of the translators say Yahovah means God? no , they say it's the name of God.
you yourself corfirmed it : (a)"Yahovah" is the name of God,
(b) yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord.


JEHOVAH/ THE TETRAMMAGRAM IS THE PROPER NAME OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL!
let me use the scriptures to show you!
Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

Ps 68:4Sing to God; sing praises to his name. Sing to the One riding through the desert plains. Jah is his name! Rejoice before him!
Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah.That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Isa 54:5“For your Grand Maker is as your husband, Jehovah of armies is his name, And the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. He will be called the God of the whole earth.

You say kurios doesn't appear twice in the greek for Matthew 22:44 even when shown it does

You are antichrist, denying the truth about the Lord

1Jn_2:22 [b]Who is a liar
but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son
Matthew 22:44 from the greek shows both Father and Son to be Kurios (supreme in authority - God)
you false jw dolphinheart deny the Father and the Son and are antichrist

he who denies the Son does not have the Father, and oh how it shows lie lie
simple request was made, pls show us the Greek text of that verse, you refuse cus you know that the Greek word "kurios" does not appear twice in the Greek text of that verse!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 12:32pm On Aug 24, 2016
johnw74:
now now don't burst out crying

is this one well?

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until you answer the question, I'll tell you : you refused to answer the question
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:28pm On Aug 24, 2016
brocab:
Because you have chosen not to answer any questions, then this subject is closed.
you can close the subject using any reason you all, the thread has exposed why you can't answer those questions, contradicting brotherhood!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:54pm On Aug 23, 2016
brocab:
Because you have decided not to answer any of the questions, then this case is closed.
You can stay in your Grave and enjoy your nothing.
did I say I will not answer? No!
This is what I said: will share my views after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?

on the issue at hand: do you agree with your brothers statement about body and soul in hell? If yes, why did you then say spirit goes to hell?
pls tell us, where does the body, spirit, soul, goes when man dies?
it should be noted that brocab could not touch his assumptions again once evidence was provided
" The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe

you are desperately trying not to answer those questions.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 6:45pm On Aug 23, 2016
johnw74:
But the facts were given, "kurios" is used in said verse for the two instances of Lord,
and I showed where Yahovah means the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God,
but you keep lying oh false accuser












duh, nothing is bolded, and Yahovah is God to Christians
and by your own words you say Yahovah doesn't mean God
so just what is a lie?
that your jehovah is a false god, and your jesus is a false god
well that's true as you call the word Jesus Christ "a god" when there are many Bible verses showing that Jesus is indeed God, and those that don't have the Son don't have the Father either
and your holy spirit is not God but a force, a thing, while there are plenty of Bible verses showing that the Holy Spirit is a person, and is God.
So no there is no lie there, except for your false accusation.







ha ha, lie lie, repeating your lie three times and twice in the one post won't make it come true
you have said "kurios" isn't in said verse for both instances of Lord
I said it is, Here is your quote and my reply:



lies lies and more lies, no I didn't put them there, the ancient Greek writers did

you have been blinded, here is the verse from the KJV with Strongs Commentary numbers:

Mat 22:44 TheG3588 LORDG2962 saidG2036 unto myG3450 Lord,G2962 SitG2521 thou onG1537 myG3450 right hand,G1188 tillG2193 I makeG5087 thineG4675 enemiesG2190 thyG4675 footstool?G5286 G4228

You may notice the number for both instances of Lord is the same (G2962)
that number represents the Greek "kurios"


above and below is the Strong's Greek dictionary [size=14pt]for the two instances[/size] of "kurios" in Matthew 22:44, which you lied saying "kurios" wasn't in the Strongs for that Matthew verse:

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

Strongs used "kurios" for both instances of Lord in the Mathew verse, you such a lie lie





That's your quote and my reply and as you can see,

you said "kurios" cannot be found twice in said verse

I showed that the two instances of "kurios" for lord are in the verse

you false jw dolphinheart lied, and then accused me of lying
a double whammy lie lie from you
if you could provide the info I asked for , we will know if you are telling the truth or not!
I raised some important issues in my post, but you cut it off! TYPICAL!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 6:36pm On Aug 23, 2016
johnw74:
Your two posts are so confused and twisted, and lies and false accusations reign there
but I will give you just a few facts again




Strongs Dictionary says Yahovah means
the everlasting, the eternal

in another word, God


Dictionary. com says
Yahovah means
I AM that I AM
the self existant God

you see lie lie, again Yahovah means God

Yahovah means: the everlasting, the eternal, the self existant God

but to you lie lie Yahovah doesn't mean God
that's ok with me, I understand that

To me Yahovah means God, keep crying over it
please provide the link to such info! If it's a Web page, provide the link, if it's an app, tell us the name, if it's a book, let us know!

The most interesting part is that the KJV did not translate the Hebrew word as God, why?
If it means God, why did the KJV not translate it so?

And just as you used very many words, confusion, lies, and false accusing to try and show that yahovah doesn't mean God, you also used very many words, confusion, lies, and false accusing to try and show that Strongs "kurios" isn't used twice in Matthew 22:44

Mat 22:44 The LORD (kurios) said unto my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

From the Strongs Dictionary, copied and pasted here:

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748
a very simple request was made, this request would clear the issue, please post the Greek text of that verse, your refusal to quote the Greek text shows you know that the Greek word "kurios" does not appear twice in that verse.
you try to use the numbering of the strong Dictionary, I've shown you that
1. such logic cannot be applied cus you will be found wanting, I gave you an example of the numbering for "god" and how the KJV translated that same number differently in different parts of the scriptures. One number , two different translations, why is that?

2. The folly of your attempt was further exposed when we consider such numbering with pslams 110:1, two different numbers for the same word "lord" why is that?

3. pls provide us with info on how you got that definition!, your screen short does not tell us where we can find such info.

And of course, because kurios referred to the Son as well as the Father you lied saying that "kurios" doesn't mean "supreme in authority" or "God"
@bolded: continue altering your own words , it still will not help you, it's no longer "supreme in authority", no longer "supreme in authority-God".

And because you are such an habitual liar, you think others lie as you do, and asked me to give a screen shot, obviously because you think I am lying as you do lie.
here it is below:
and as I said I cannot copy and paste a whole verse but only one word definition, but the number G2962 shows you that the Greek word for both instances of Lord is the same word "Kurios"

false jw dolphinheart you are a huge lie lie
did I say provide only screen shot, no! , I added : and tell us the name of the two emails bible" .
I also said: you copied and pasted the definition of "kurios", pls direct us to where you copied it from?
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m):
johnw74:
now now don't burst out crying smiley

is this one well?

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the truth: you have refused to answer the question!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 2:49pm On Aug 23, 2016
brocab:
Until you have answered your side of the story-then we can proceed, without your knowledge on this subject, then we are wasting our time trying to explain any facts about who ends up in either.
so so desperate to use any means possible so as not to answer the question asked months ago.
so so desperate to use any means possible to divert the issue at hand so as not to clear the contradictions on ground.
long time ago have I asked you to tell where body ,soul, spirit goes when man dies, you refused to answer, when your brother gave contradictory response, you where found wanting!
you have refused to answer the question nor clear the contradiction on ground, yet you expect me to add to it!. Once again I'll tell you what I've told you many times already: will share my views after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?

Jesus had written about Heaven and Hell, for a good reason, we either stay on the highways or we choose to stay close to the Lord on the narrow road, and at times that road can be a difficult road to stay on.
Of course Jesus had some pretty good reasons, why we need to make the right choices when we choose to walk with Him.
this is not the issue under discussion.

We can't answer any of your questions until you decide to explain your side of this story, in your own words, what your teachings are about Heaven and Hell.
the discussion is not about heaven and hell, several times I've stated the question I asked and the issue under discussion, but you want to change it, refusing to answer it!

We need to study who the saints are and why are they in heaven crying out the the Lord in {Revelation 6:10} and why did Jesus mention about Hades and the place of torment {Luke 16:22-26} if these places don't exist?
In what way does the Watchtower explain to their organisation about these two separable spiritual realms huh
these are not the issue under discussion!

do you agree with your brothers statement about body and soul in hell? If yes, why did you then say spirit goes to hell?
pls tell us, where does the body, spirit, soul, goes when man dies?
it should be noted that brocab could not touch his assumptions again once evidence was provided
" The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe
you are desperately trying not to answer those questions.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:19pm On Aug 22, 2016
brocab:
I have asked you nicely repeatedly to explain to me, and still you had refuse to explain your own version, nor have you explained any of your organisation's teachings about this very same matter, but rather you and the rest of you donkey's have criticised the word of God, especially these {Luke 16:22-26 Revelation 6:10} you yourself not knowing these scriptures can only make life a little harder for you to even consider how these verses have explained what part of us ends up in Hell, or Heaven.
What the truth is, you haven't the slightest idea how to answer your side view about this subject-not because you know the answers, its because you haven't a clue what the answers are?
And of course the Watchtower magazines don't preach on this subject because they haven't the slightest understanding about the Spirit of God. And of course the world already knows, if they were to change their lying tongues, they will loose their income each week coming from the people.
So like you, its best to keep your mouth shut, because people from the four corners of the world may start recognising the JW's are speaking through their own ass.
You are a lair dolphinheart, the world already knows their is no truth found in you, nor in your organisation.
only you have asked a question
only you have answered the question
only you have passed judgement on the question you asked.

well ill answer you the way I've answered you before.
will share my views after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?
do you agree with your brothers statement about body and soul in hell? If yes, why did you then say spirit goes to hell?
pls tell us, where does the body, spirit, soul, goes when man dies?

it should be noted that brocab could not touch his assumptions again once evidence was provided
" The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe

you are desperately trying not to answer those questions.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 1:02pm On Aug 22, 2016
johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

this is only a little of your lies and confusion in your one post
you must certinally put in a lot of time with your preaching to the whole world here smiley



truly I haven't battled as you do, to explain anything
but you do love to lie
has the Kjv translated the same hebrew word as "lord" in one verse and as "Jehovah in another verse in the same book of psalms? Yes!, it is not a lie!, and that fact is what is confusing you!


truly nothing I have replied to has confused me
but you do love to lie
you say so.

truly I have known the definition of kurios for decades

truly I have not removed the word God from any post earlier or since
these words are true:
Aug 19, page 10, 12: 34 am , you said :
The Greek for "Lord" in that verse is "kurios" and it means God
on Aug 20, 1:20am , page 10 of these thread, you said :
as you can see, well not you, but as Christians can see, both Father and Jesus are called "kurios", "supreme in authority-God"

I replied you with this words : [b]"I do believe , do you?, how did you come to know the father is supreme in authority God?
is the father's authority over that of Jesus in heaven? Yes or no?"


you sid not answer the question, but your reply was : (2:43 am, Aug 21)
I understand how you are unable to stop lying, it is your nature to lie
I said "kurios" means "supreme in authority", and refers to both Father and Son in said verse, which you questioned
stick to the subject, I know you want to weasel out of it through doing the twist

if the word "god" was not removed, I wonder what was!

truly I have posted the strongs definition of "kurios"
but you refuse to direct or provide a link to where you got the strongs definition of "kurios"

truly I did use the word God

truly you are paranoid which is of the devil and which comes through rejecting God who is Love
and following another god

truly you are heap way big lie lie who cannot possibly know the true God.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Jesus has told me the father is the only true God, and I believe Jesus words, do you believe Jesus words or you prefer to add another person to who Jesus described as the only true God?

Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,


duh, the Strongs numbers point to words, it makes for an easier searching tool
but you have no idea
good, it points to words, not that it points to word.

The part you cut off cus it exposes you and you could not counter or explain it:
1. haha, so you want to use those group numbering to show "kurios" appeared twice in that verse, what an irony!
your case would have simply been shown if you had simply posted the Greek text of that verse, but since you have read the verse and seen the truth, you decided to not to show us the Greek text and use its group numberings.

let me bust your bubble, I'm going to follow your dubious method , I'll show you 3 verses in the kjv which a word their have same numbering in the strong numberings. will also show you how the kjv translated that number differently.

strongs:
acts 12: 22 And G1161 the people G1218 gave a shout, G2019 saying, It is the voice G5456 of a god, [colorblue]G2316[/color] and G2532 not G3756 of a man. G444
kjv:
Ac 12:22And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.

strong: acts 28:6
Howbeit G1161 they looked G4328 when he G846 should G3195 have swollen, G4092 or G2228 fallen down G2667 dead G3498 suddenly: G869 but G1161 after they G846 had looked G4328 a great while, G1909 G4183 and G2532 saw G2334 no G3367 harm G824 come G1096 to G1519 him, G846 they changed their minds, G3328 and said G3004 that he G846 was G1511 a god. G2316
Kjv:
Ac 28:6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.


look at the two examples given above, same number (G2313) is translated as "a god" by the kjv
Now let's look at this same number in john 1: 1 and see how the kjv translated it!

In G1722 the beginning G746 was G2258 the Word, G3056 and G2532 the Word G3056 was G2258 with G4314 God, G2316 and G2532 the Word G3056 was G2258 God. G2316
Kjv:
Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


JOHNW74, YOU CAN SEE YOU NUMBERING EXPLANATION DOES NOT STAND SCRUTINY!,
there are only two conclusions, it is either the numberings represent a group of words(more than one word) or the same word has different meanings. whIchever you agree with, it will not help your false doctrine. no wonder you could not post the Greek texts.

2. I challenge to provide where you got G2962 or kurios to be defined as god like you posted above. pls direct us to where you got such info from.

3 . did I say the Greek word "kurios" was not in that verse ? no , Johnw74, you have now resorted to lying against me. I said the word " kurios" does not appear twice in that verse, that statement is different from you saying I said the word does not appear. p's stop lying.

4. using the same logic you tried to use , let's examine psalms 110: 1 again :
James Version ( KJV )
¶ Psa 110:1 [[A Psalm H4210 of David.]] H1732 The LORD H3068 said H5002 unto my Lord, H113 Sit H3427 thou at my right hand, H3225 until I make H7896 thine enemies H341 thy footstool. H1916 H7272

imagine! different numbers for same word!,johnw74 why?

non stop lies from lie lie dolphinheart
copying and pasting Greek or hebrew verses doesn't work on my two e Bibles
just singular words work
haha, okay , pls post a screen shot , and tell us the name of the two e bible

I have more than once but your god has blinded you
you copied and pasted the definition of "kurios", pls direct us to where you copied it from!

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748[/color]
pls tell us where you got this definition from so one can go their and see it!



[quote]truly my only lying is in your paranoid head

dolphinheart your lie lying is getting even worse if that is at all possible
3 . did I say the Greek word "kurios" was not in that verse ? no , Johnw74, you have now resorted to lying against me. I said the word " kurios" does not appear twice in that verse, that statement is different from you saying I said the word does not appear. p's stop lying.
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m):
johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

Of course I'm not wasting time again adressing all of your confusion, lies, and false accusations
but some




the KJV is good with most Christians, but not with false jw's, that's understandable

however the new world translation is definately corrupted, as most Christians would agree
typical, politicians use this tactics , when you can't defend facts, you try to find fault with the other too, as if such allegations will absolve you of your faults.

This is what I posted,it was cut off to hide the facts their :
"[b]let's look at psalms 110:1 the KJV says:
King James Version
Ps 110:1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
did you notice that in the KJV, Lord was used twice in that verse?
now is the Hebrew word for Lord used twice in that verse, the answer is no!
The Kjv has altered another hebrew word to mean " lord" in addition to the original hebrew word for "Lord" that occurs in the that verse.

to give this alteration traction, they decided to put the altered hebrew word in fully capitalised form so as to show the difference between the 1st and the second"lord", which has been traslated from an hebrew word that does not mean "Lord" when translated to English!
To emphasise the confusion of these translation, one of the Hebrew words translated to "Lord" in psalms 110: 1 is now translated to "Jehovah" in another verse(psalms 83:10)
While the King James Version most often translates the tetragrammaton (which occurs in the Hebrew scriptures 6,828 times) as "LORD", this verse has one of the several occurrences in which it is translated as "JEHOVAH".
The translation of the hebrew word as "LORD" in psalms 110: 1, and as "JEHOVAH" in psalms 83:10 and other places has created this confusion that johnw74 is battling to explain. If the Kjv had left the word the way it is instead of translatING it as "lord", this confusion might not have come up.
That the hebrew word translated and fully capitalised as "LORD" is not the same hebrew word translated as "lord" in the same verse should have given you a clearer picture!

This are the following facts:
1. The Hebrew texts of psalms 110: 1 contains only one Hebrew word that is translated as "to my lord" or "to my master"
2. The second Hebrew word " the tetragammaton" is translated as "Jehovah " or "yahweh".
Now to probe further into johnw74's confusion , the King James Version says :
1Ki 1:37As the LORD hath been with my lord the king, even so be he with Solomon, and make his throne greater than the throne of my lord king David.
the Kjv used the Lord twice here, was it referring to the father and son,? definitely no!
does calling the second person "lord" make him God ? definitely no!.

I asked you but you did not answer:
Jesus said, it is written, are you implying that Jesus quoted wrongly what is written?
If Jesus quoted from what is written, can you provide us with the real text of what is written and where it is written?
I provided you with where it is written, yet you will not accept it.
It has been proven to you that "Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” is the correct translation of psalms 110:1
read: www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/TTD/verses/psalm110_1.html[/b]"

To Christians, Yahovah is God, but to you the name doesn't mean God
and it is also true that your jehovah is not God, bat a false god, as your jesus is a false jesus
and your holy spirit is not god, not even a person of god, but just a force-a thing
"the bolded above are lies that cannot be supported with facts.
The tetragammaton does not mean God and is never translated as God,
the word traslated as God :
elohim: God, god
Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: elohim
Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
Short Definition: God
source : biblehub.com/hebrew/430.htm
Jehovah is the name of God that the isrealites worshipped , it is not the meaning of God.
"

Jehovah is the name of the almighty God, Jehovah does not mean God.
example: John is the name of a man, John does not mean man
Gabriel is the name of an angel, Gabriel does not mean angel
Samsung is the name of a phone, Samsung does not mean phone

I often call you lie lie because you often lie

but you being a copycat and accusing me of lying where I did not lie
is just more lies and false accusing from you lie lie dolphinheart


Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
continue!

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD (Yahovah) said unto my Lord (adon), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

"Yahovah" is the name of God, "adon" means soverign-divine, both words are referring to Father and Son, to God

H3068

יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.
Total KJV occurrences: 6521

[s]If Yahovah means: the self existant, the eternal, then Yahovah means God[/s]
1. The Kjv know it's Yahovah right!, but they decided to alter it to "LORD", it's such alteration that's confusing you. You know it's "Yahovah", but you alter it to "lord"

2.you yourself have now confirmed that their are two different words found in psalms 110:1, is Yahovah and adon the same word ? no , then why have you translated it to the same word in English!

3. did any of the translators say Yahovah means God? no , they say it's the name of God.
you yourself corfirmed it : (a)"Yahovah" is the name of God,
(b) yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord.[/b]
had to scratch that part off cus once again, you are trying to alter what the scholars told you.

H113
אָדֹן אָדוֹן
'âdôn 'âdôn
aw-done', aw-done'
From an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, that is, controller (human or divine): - lord, master, owner. Compare also names beginning with “Adoni-”.
Total KJV occurrences: 335

Now false jw chooses the word "human" however with all the Bible verses showing diffrently, Christians choose the word "divine"
you mean all the places where "adon" occurs in the hebrew scriptures it means divine?
Secondly, the Hebrew word found in psalms 110:1 for "Lord" is not "adon"

biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/110-1.htm



Mat 22:44 The LORD (kurios) said unto my Lord (kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

"kurios" when referring to God, means supreme in authority, God. Both instances of the word referring to Father and Son mean God
the greek word "kurios does not occur twice in that verse.

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

dolphinheart you very way big lie lie and false accuser, but a good little pharisee jw
plus tell us or direct us where you got this from?
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 10:46am On Aug 22, 2016
johnw74:
I don't often reply to confusion or false doctrines
but You love to lie
you replied the post, but you refuse to answer the questions
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 4:39pm On Aug 21, 2016
johnw74:
all lies, you disbelieve Matthew 22:44 and say Psalm 110:1 is correct
that's what false jw do, disbelieve the Bible and change it
but in this case you just once again have no understanding of the verses

Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:44 say the same thing and are of course both correct
let's look at psalms 110:1 the KJV says:
King James Version
Ps 110:1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


did you notice that in the KJV, Lord was used twice in that verse?
now is the Hebrew word for Lord used twice in that verse, the answer is no!
The Kjv has altered another hebrew word to mean " lord" in addition to the original hebrew word for "Lord" that occurs in the that verse.
to give this alteration traction, they decided to put the altered hebrew word in fully capitalised form so as to show the difference between the 1st and the second"lord", which has been traslated from an hebrew word that does not mean "Lord" when translated to English!

To emphasise the confusion of these translation, one of the Hebrew words translated to "Lord" in psalms 110: 1 is now translated to "Jehovah" in another verse(psalms 83:10)
While the King James Version most often translates the tetragrammaton (which occurs in the Hebrew scriptures 6,828 times) as "LORD", this verse has one of the several occurrences in which it is translated as "JEHOVAH".
The translation of the hebrew word as "LORD" in psalms 110: 1, and as "JEHOVAH" in psalms 83:10 and other places has created this confusion that johnw74 is battling to explain. If the Kjv had left the word the way it is instead of translatING it as "lord", this confusion might not have come up.
That the hebrew word translated and fully capitalised as "LORD" is not the same hebrew word translated as "lord" in the same verse should have given you a clearer picture!

This are the following facts:
1. The Hebrew texts of psalms 110: 1 contains only one Hebrew word that is translated as "to my lord" or "to my master"
2. The second Hebrew word " the tetragammaton" is translated as "Jehovah " or "yahweh".

Now to probe further into johnw74's confusion , the King James Version says :
1Ki 1:37As the LORD hath been with my lord the king, even so be he with Solomon, and make his throne greater than the throne of my lord king David.

the Kjv used the Lord twice here, was it referring to the father and son,? definitely no!
does calling the second person "lord" make him God ? definitely no!.

I asked you but you did not answer:
Jesus said, it is written, are you implying that Jesus quoted wrongly what is written?
If Jesus quoted from what is written, can you provide us with the real text of what is written and where it is written?
I provided you with where it is written, yet you will not accept it.

It has been proven to you that "Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” is the correct translation of psalms 110:1

read: www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/TTD/verses/psalm110_1.html

Matthew is translated from the Greek "kurios" (God)for Father and Son
,


Psalms is translated from the Hebrew "y'hovah" for Father and "adon" for Son, both mean God"
the bolded above are lies that cannot be supported with facts.
The tetragammaton does not mean God and is never translated as God,

the word traslated as God :
elohim: God, god
Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: elohim
Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
Short Definition: God

source : biblehub.com/hebrew/430.htm

Jehovah is the name of God that the isrealites worshipped , it is not the meaning of God.
"kurios" does not mean God, and neither is is translated as God
Strong's Concordance
kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kuros (authority)
Definition
lord, master
NASB Translation
lord (10), Lord (626), Lord of lords (2), Lord's (12), lords (1), master (38), master's (3), masters (cool, masters' (1), owner (6), owners (1), sir (11), sirs (1)


let's look at your false teaching and let's expose it :
King James Version
1Pe 3:6Even as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

pls tell us, was Sarah calling Abraham God? cus Peter said she called him "lord". is Abraham God?

I accept both verses, all verses of the Bible are right
you lie lie, say they are not and change them
good to note you accept the translation that uses " Jehovah " instead of "lord".

I understand how you are unable to stop lying, it is your nature to lie
I said "kurios" means "supreme in authority", and refers to both Father and Son in said verse, which you questioned
stick to the subject, I know you want to weasel out of it through doing the twist
let's loot at what you said again :
Aug 19, page 10, 12: 34 am , you said :
The Greek for "Lord" in that verse is "kurios" and it means God

on Aug 20, 1:20am , page 10 of these thread, you said :
as you can see, well not you, but as Christians can see, both Father and Jesus are called "kurios", "supreme in authority-God"

note: these statement was made after I had shown to you the definition of "kurios".
Now you have removed the word "god" from what you said earlier so you can accuse me of lying!. prove you are not trying to define "kurios" and proof you did not use the word "God"

no Matthew 22:44 said "kurios" as I keep saying, see your confusion that comes from lying
did the verse use "kurios " twice, no it used it once!

lies lies and more lies, no I didn't put them there, the ancient Greek writers did
and you could not show the Greek text of that verse, or could you?

you have been blinded, here is the verse from the KJV with Strongs Commentary numbers:

Mat 22:44 TheG3588 LORDG2962 saidG2036 unto myG3450 Lord,G2962 SitG2521 thou onG1537 myG3450 right hand,G1188 tillG2193 I makeG5087 thineG4675 enemiesG2190 thyG4675 footstool?G5286 G4228

You may notice the number for both instances of Lord is the same (G2962)
that number represents the Greek "kurios"


above and below is the Strong's Greek dictionary for the two instances of "kurios" in Matthew 22:44, which you lied saying "kurios" wasn't in the Strongs for that Matthew verse:

G2962

κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

Strongs used "kurios" for both instances of Lord in the Mathew verse, you such a lie lie
1. haha, so you want to use those group numbering to show "kurios" appeared twice in that verse, what an irony!
your case would have simply been shown if you had simply posted the Greek text of that verse, but since you have read the verse and seen the truth, you decided to not to show us the Greek text and use its group numberings.

let me bust your bubble, I'm going to follow your dubious method , I'll show you 3 verses in the kjv which a word their have same numbering in the strong numberings. will also show you how the kjv translated that number differently.

strongs:
acts 12: 22 And G1161 the people G1218 gave a shout, G2019 saying, It is the voice G5456 of a god, [colorblue]G2316[/color] and G2532 not G3756 of a man. G444
kjv:
Ac 12:22And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.

strong: acts 28:6
Howbeit G1161 they looked G4328 when he G846 should G3195 have swollen, G4092 or G2228 fallen down G2667 dead G3498 suddenly: G869 but G1161 after they G846 had looked G4328 a great while, G1909 G4183 and G2532 saw G2334 no G3367 harm G824 come G1096 to G1519 him, G846 they changed their minds, G3328 and said G3004 that he G846 was G1511 a god. G2316
Kjv:
Ac 28:6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.


look at the two examples given above, same number (G2313) is translated as "a god" by the kjv
Now let's look at this same number in john 1: 1 and see how the kjv translated it!

In G1722 the beginning G746 was G2258 the Word, G3056 and G2532 the Word G3056 was G2258 with G4314 God, G2316 and G2532 the Word G3056 was G2258 God. G2316
Kjv:
Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


JOHNW74, YOU CAN SEE YOU NUMBERING EXPLANATION DOES NOT STAND SCRUTINY!,
there are only two conclusions, it is either the numberings represent a group of words(more than one word) or the same word has different meanings. whIchever you agree with, it will not help your false doctrine. no wonder you could not post the Greek texts.

2. I challenge to provide where you got G2962 or kurios to be defined as god like you posted above. pls direct us to where you got such info from.

3 . did I say the Greek word "kurios" was not in that verse ? no , Johnw74, you have now resorted to lying against me. I said the word " kurios" does not appear twice in that verse, that statement is different from you saying I said the word does not appear. p's stop lying.

4. using the same logic you tried to use , let's examine psalms 110: 1 again :
James Version ( KJV )
¶ Psa 110:1 [[A Psalm H4210 of David.]] H1732 The LORD H3068 said H5002 unto my Lord, H113 Sit H3427 thou at my right hand, H3225 until I make H7896 thine enemies H341 thy footstool. H1916 H7272

imagine! different numbers for same word!,johnw74 why?

oh confused one you are repeating the same things over and over

of course you cannot stop lying, I accept both verses, and you don't
pls post the words of the two verses you accepted, let's see if you are truthful.

such confusion and lies, I haven't shifted any definitions, when referring to Father and Son, "kurios" does mean Lord-God, If "kurios was referring to a mere person of position then it would mean Mr. or master or sir.
you really are stuck in kindergarten
according to johnw74 dictionary, note according to the definition of the word " kurios". Even the kjv translation of that verse did not say "god" when translating "kurios".
pls provide us with info on where you got such meaning from.

confusion reigns with lie lie dolphinheart, kurios is not capitalised
It's the word Lord that is either fully capitalised or not
why did I capitalise one and not the other? confused person, I didn't write the KJV Bible
good to note that you don't understand why the kjv fully capitalized one "lord" and not for the second "lord", when you claim that both where translated from the same word " kurios"

The Hebrew for David and the Greek for Matthew are both correct
but you don't believe so

dolphinheart you heap way big lie lie

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I don't often reply to your confusion, but I do like to show up your lies.
who asked you if one is correct and one is wrong!
simple question : kjv:- Mr 12:36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
please show where David made the above statement, it's in the scriptures!
Christianity EtcRe: Debunking The Trinity Logic by dolphinheart(m): 12:12pm On Aug 21, 2016
johnw74:
fact : I never refused anything
fact : you love to lie
you refused to answer the 4 questions!

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