₦airaland Forum

Warship:
UN Referendum can never be given except there is a CRISIS.

Therefore, it is expedite we prepare for that crisis.

Have you asked yourself what KANU meant when he said he is bringing HELL when he returns.?

He told you himself?

Warship:
As an IPOB member, I agree with you and that is why I have argued with other IPOB members to look into this call for boycott and ask themselves if it will get us a Referendum.

Kanu should focus more on building our military capacity and international support necessary to help us exploit a CRISIS capable of attracting UN Referendum.

Hope people like Banom, Donelli, kanubiafra and all Biafrans will understand.

You guys calling for armed conflict, I don't think you understand the severity of what you're saying. The international support you're even referring to, what is their interest...is it not still the oil? Once war breaks out all those people will want to make maximum profit and the war will probably continue for decades. Who loses...us, all round.

Is it not better to lobby these international allies via economic arguments?
Q: But it has never happened anywhere in the world, what makes you think it will?
A: What makes you think it won't... There's always a first time.

Nnamdi Kanu already pointed out he is not for war anyways, but a peaceful process.

Please don't mention me on this matter in the future. I dont buy it.

wirinet:
On the Basis of popular support from their people on the biafra issue and on issues of common purpose. If all the igbo politicians and igbo business elites and masses advocate for Biafra, Northern politicians would be forced to listen.

Popular support of which people sir
It appears some of us are idealistic on this so called political approach to attaining a referendum. Northern politicians, forced to listen? This people wey I dey watch their plenary sessions so? Wey of you talk Wetin no favor them, them go jump on top your head wan bite your ear. Unless you mean a new generation of pragmatic northern politicians in the future.

Ever other region has some parasitic interests in Nigeria outside the Niger Delta or south south, so it's the south south that holds the ace for obvious reasons.
The igbos need the support of the South South to get any traction on their Biafra agitations, but instead of courting the south south, the igbos are arrogantly trying to force their Biafra agitations on the south south.
If the igbos can get the south south to agitate for Biafra, the North would be forced to listen.

I agree on your point about an alliance but I strongly disagree on the bolded. Same way activities on social media do not translate to electoral results on the field, don't make the mistake of equating the antics of trolls as the reality on ground.

Politics is politics anywhere in the world. You negotiate based on your advantages and weaknesses. You give and take. It is not easy, but it is more effective than the alternative - war.
Niger Delta was able to agitate for an increase in derivativation, from 0% in 1999 to 13% presently, the goal is between 25 - 30%.

I will only agree with you on the bolded if you can openly say with a straight face that our politicians, even remotely, consider national interest above their personal enrichment. Can you?
Also, has the said increase translated to improved living standards for the ND people? Can these funds be accounted for?

The Yorubas were able to negotiate with the north for the presidency after their tribesman was denied same in 1993.

And their time in leadership benefited their region how? Is it not thesame Obj who was a puppet of the North. What is the essence of such negotiatiation if you only end up playing a script.

The Ogonis are still agitating for clean up of their environment and reparations for decades, they have even won numerous court judgements against shell both locally and internationally. The FG has even claimed to have started the clean up after an elaborate launching. Even though the FG and Shell are still playing games , eventually, they would be forced to accede to the agitations of the Ogonis.

This point alone, I fit buy you beer if we meet, cos you just summarised my reasoning. Do you need to lobby for the government to carry out their responsibility. This cat and mouse game, is it the politics we are talking about. To me it's deliberate sabotage cos if the government is interest in their affairs this shouldn't even be a topic for discussion at this level.

You draw oil that feeds the country's economy and you mess up the environment, thereby eliminating the micro economy (fishing and aqua-business) of the locals, yet you need a court judgement to do the needful and still drag feet after getting same?
I'm waiting for who will explain to me how this is not sabotage.

You have not provided your opinion the alternative to the political process. Do you advocate for Kanu and his group to continue to disturb the peace of the South East? Do you advocate for Kanu and his group to put the lives of ordinary south east citizens who are not members of IPOB at risk?
Do you advocate Kanu insulting and threatening ordinary Fulani citizens and calling them all sorts of names, thereby putting the lives and businesses of ordinary igbo people in the north at risk?

Disturbing peace how? By riots and violent protests?

Put lives of citizens at risk how? I thought government is ignoring the call for referendum so why attack unarmed protesters who are creating awareness. It's funny you have no problem about the government using armed military to halt civil disobedience when our borders are lacking such resources. What about the extra-judicial assassination attempt, you're cool with it, yes? Why so eager to silence Nnamdi Kanu who is undergoing court proceedings on your own turf.

I find the bolded rather amusing. All the previous violent protests in the north were also caused by Nnamdi Kanu? A cartoonist in Denmark did a craft about Mohammed, northerner wreaked havoc in Nigeria...was that Nnamdi Kanu too? Somebody is awakening your mind to what is clearly a constant occurrence that we only leave to God to judge and you're saying these. I weak o bros. I withdraw my beer.

Obi1kenobi:
On the basis that they are thinking human beings, open to persuasion. The North's only "parasitic interests" is Niger Delta oil. Believe it or not, the SE really isn't that strategically relevant to Nigeria. It's the least endowed with natural resources and minerals. It's the tiniest region by landmass by far. It's landlocked and is the only region with no international borders. We're frankly not that relevant to the interests of the North.

On the bolded, I'm still curious on what basis the persuasion will be. You've mentioned, and I totally agree, that the bone of contention is oil. You should also note that if we're talking about Igboland strictly it is not just the SE cos the mapping of states was deliberately done to keep the SE on wrong footing. Yes, SE is landlocked (coincidence or deliberate?) but Igboland is not. Again, if it is a fact that the SE is not relevant and the SS is not interested in Biafra, is it not common sense to put that hypothesis to a test via referendum and "kill" this Biafra thing once and for all? Oh wait, it won't happen because the government will keep ignoring the demand for referendum but still deploy military might to suppress unarmed protesters who they want us to believe they are ignoring.

Money didn't need to change hands for the NE legislators to successfully lobby for a North East Development Commission with tens of billions of Naira in extra funding years after they destroyed their own zone with Islamic extremism. If you cannot get your elites to champion the cause of the grassroots, then you're frankly not worth listening to. It is up to us to compel our politicians to fight for the cause. Not making empty noise on Facebook. Again, even the civilized countries in question didn't grant referendums just because some agitators demanded it. It took decades of painstaking, patient work to successfully lobby for it, because no country wants to weaken its unity and territorial integrity. If Ipob agitators are too lazy to do their homework and do what it takes, then they can't be taken seriously. Successful agitation and activism is more than just shouting "zoo" upandan and insulting other Nigerians. This is why I have kept saying Ipob is not a serious intellectual movement and it just became an unserious cult of Nnamdi Kanu.

You made so many interesting points here I don't even know where to start. However, do you think it's reasonable to lobby for basics to be provided? Does the FG not know how many kilometers of federal roads it has to construct across the country? Do we really need lobbying for the FG to construct major federal roads, I mean in a sane environment, should this even be discussed. I'm thinking lobbying should come into play if I am requesting for some "special" projects like, maybe, siting a university in my state or constituency.

What happened to the 3R's that was agreed on after the civil war. Do we also need to lobby for that too?
Let's not become so intelligent that we fail to see simple realities. We are still being punished for daring to challenge the government in 1967, I make bold to say so.

Maybe. Maybe not. It's up to us to try. Two things are for sure:
1) The democratic process is the only way to accomplish it. Failing this, war is the only other option and I can assure you its easy to make noise about war on Facebook or Nairaland, but a much different prospect in the real world.
2) Nothing will certainly be achieved by election boycotts. It simply makes zero sense. I have asked several advocates of this what exactly they intend to accomplish and how it will be accomplished and the next line of action when the election boycotts continue to fail and I have never gotten any sensible answer. It's like going on hunger strike when those you are striking against couldn't care less if you drop dead or not. Take the Presidential election, for example: why the hell would Buhari give the slightest fuckks whether Igbo people vote or not? What will it take away from him? On the contrary, he knows Igbos despise him and wouldn't even want them to vote. Why would he care whether Igbos vote or not? What will your election boycott achieve. Name one thing.

On this I state again, if actually the government doesn't care if we boycott elections why were combined military forces sent to Anambra during the last governorship election. They told you it's to maintain peace abi?

carik:
Oh really, i know someone who finished last year and was bounced too .These recruiters should do a favour of telling what went wrong with the process. They even claim to be transparent and do not discriminate in their selection process

Alright. If the person is sure s/he filled all the details correctly then it means there's something else about the recruitment.

wirinet:
Wrong analogy. Ojukwu did not campaign with Biafra as a campaign agenda, he campaigned under NPN for one Nigeria. Ojukwu 's biafra campaign stopped with the civil war.
Kanu on the other hand is agitating for secession, so if the secession agenda is popular among the south east, why won't he or his party win elections?

Let's look at the bolded in your comment and then see how an excerpt from the comment below answers your question.

Obi1kenobi:
through a painstaking political process involving grassroots mobilization, election of politicians that sympathize with the cause, and hard, assiduous lobbying from those elected officials to get a referendum...

I agree that this is a method, but my questions..

1.On what basis will politicians from other regions (especially the north) be lobbied to support Biafra knowing fully well that they have some parasitic interests to defend?

2. Those countries you mentioned, do they practise our style of politics where lobbying has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with ideology and presenting a superior argument but strictly a matter of money changing hands.

3. Going by your suggestion, do you think referendum will happen in another 30 years?

In my opinion, this talk about following a political process is a ready trap that the Nigerian government will always try to use to defeat the Biafran ideology. Good thing Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB has not fallen for it. As for whether this our method will be fruitful, make we dey watch first kwanu.

Ndewo!

melodyogonna:
Please give some insight on what you learnt

See banom's post I quoted before this comment you made. It will give you an idea of how this kind of episode played out in the past with Ojukwu which many are suggesting we follow same path again.

banom:
There is something I noticed about those advising us to participate in the election, they are mainly pdp members and atiku supporters who are banking on our votes to win the election. They don't care about Biafrans, all they care for are our votes. They hide this their real motive under the cloak of voting will give you voice, voting will help you control the government, voting will help you to vote out Buhari and elect a person who will listen to your call for referendum ( this is subtly suggesting atiku to be the one). They say this as if votes even count in Nigeria..

This is rubbish to me. You say it as if there is no precedence. We have been voting for time immemorial what has come out of it? Absolutely Nothing. How can we bank on Atiku when he is a dubious and duplicious person and is not in any way different from Buhari. Was it not the same Atiku that was talking about restructuring before the python dance. And immediately after the python dance and he thought nnamdi kanu was dead, he and other restructuring advocates muted the idea.

Let me tell you people what you are actually trying to do . You are subtly trying to lay a trap for IPOB by luring us to get involved into Nigerian politics. You did the same thing to Ojukwu and disgraced him to the point of making sure he was defeated by an unknown commissioner at the time in a position as small as a Senate election. You made sure he lost even in his own backyard. And that striped him most of the influence he had on igbos. In the end, what did be gain? Absolutely nothing and he lost everything. Including how history will remember him. And what did Biafrans gain from his involvement in Nigerian politics ? The answer too is nothing. We are still being marginalised and treated like 3rd class citizens. As if it wasn't all of us that helped achieve Nigeria's independence.

If there is one thing I like about Nnamdi Kanu, it's his knowledge of history and his uncanny ability to see and calculate several steps ahead. From the onset, he knew that going about the agitation through a political route will not yield anything. For instance, from the beginning, he identified that one of the major stumbling blocks in the agitation will come from Igbo political class. These are men and women who are already established and benefiting from the corrupt Nigerian political system. And will continue benefiting from it in so many years ahead.

Some of them are first time sitting governors who are almost guaranteed to go for a second term as governors and then thereafter go and spend the next 8-12 years in the Senate house. Is it such a person who will be hugely benefiting from the existence of Nigeria for the next 16-20 years that you will bank on to risk or leave it and help you actualise your freedom ? They don't care about the common man. They only care about themselves and their family members.

If at anytime Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB deviates from the current method they are using to agitate for Biafra and start seeking political method and political positions in Nigeria they will mess the whole agitation up. They will fall into that same trap Ojukwu fail into, and they will regret it. Though I strongly believe Kanu is too intelligent to even give such an foolish idea a second thought.

A thousand "likes".
Those who pay no attention to history are bound to make thesame mistakes.

bantudra:
oyel doesnt matter that much no more....oyel matter because its a steady income....the income is not that high no more,but its still a steady income till today....

Na still thesame thing we dey talk bros. Which state for Nigeria fit bone oil money generate value independently? Before you mention Lagos, I can tell you that Lagos thrives on taxes.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Na wetin Lagos be.

bantudra:
na you say regions are not indepedent...am just tellin you they are to a degree already independent and used sharia as an example....

if states were not realy indepedent a nation wide sharia law would have been implemented....

Independent in name or in economy?

Warship:
Do you generate or earn a monthly income of at least 70k.

If yes, research and work on the following:

1) Extraction of pure cellulose from lignocellulose materials especially from ones abundant within Biafra eg palm oil fibre, saw dusts etc.

2) Nitrification of pure cellulose.

3) Fabrication of axial compressors.

4) Fabrication of centrifugal compressors.

5) Mass Recycling of Iron, steel and metallic wastes.

6) Application of axial and centrifugal compressors in Air Vehicles.

7) Application of Nitrated Cellulose.


If You Are Very Determine To Help IPOB, Do These 7 and Pass Across Your Findings To Them and Watch What Will Happen.

All these thing be like things wey fit go "kablaam!"
Noted sir

Let everyone do what is in his/her best interest.

Warship:
That is why I said secret development.

Biafra will come only after a crisis that can then stir up our international allies to speak up for us on the floor of the UN General Assembly and for Biafrans to hold out until UN intervention force steps foot on Nigeria to secure an environment for the Referendum, we have to secretly develop the military tech needed by our people to secure our territory until the appearance of UN envoy.


For Example:

If Asari Dokunbo never had the military capacity to extradite Kanu's family from Ibeku by now, Kanu would have been dead. Yes or No.?

Warship:
Biafra does not need to cause a CRISIS directly.

There are many ways crisis can be caused without attributing it to IPOB eg Fulani Terrorism.

So take note that Crisis Must Occur and that is why we must secretly build our military capacity to secure our territory while waiting for UN Envoy to conduct a Referendum.


Take Note:

If Asari Dokunbo never had the military capacity to extradite Kanu's family from Ibeku by now, Kanu would have been dead. Yes or No.?

Hmmm...

You make sense sha, my concern is legality. As long as we don't give this corrupt government a legitimate platform to fight us.

bantudra:
i dont know....na you wan to be different than others....its impossible for everybody to be the same...i understand that...

some prefer mango,some prefer fish others hate pig meat....no big deal....

The only reason they're fighting to keep Nigeria is because of oil. We don tell una say when una let us go, even say all man go carry their resources but the oil go still reach una. I wonder why una dey fear sef.

bantudra:
in a degree,you already do...their are states that practice sharia in the north,did nigeria forced sharia on you too....??

they didnt....vote people that will stand for what you want in your region....

I'm not sure I see the analogy between Biafra and sharia

bantudra:
atleast in your area....why wait till you get biafra before doing anything....every state gets monthly allocations,were is the money of south east........??

Exactly why I don't think it's a good plan. Who pays the piper dictates the tune.

Warship:
You really understand the conditions(eg crisis) that stir up the international community to speak up for peaceful resolution through a Referendum.

Donelli, this is what Kanu should focus on(Create Crisis).

How do we secretly create a crisis that can stir up the international community to speak up and intervene.?

That is why I also advocate for secret development of Biafra military capacity to secure our sovereignty once the crisis erupts.

You should also note that, in whatever crisis you intend to initiate, if Biafra is seen as the aggressor it does not exactly help our case

Warship:
There won't be a crisis because the powers that be has agreed to handover power to Atiku after compensating Buhari's family and silently killing Jubril to cover up.

Your head is there
The question is, will it be that straightforward?

Warship:
3 is legal if there is a crisis that calls for self preservation eg Fulani Herdsmen Terrorism, Military Coup, Ethnic Cleansing etc.


That's one option IPOB should also explore so that, if crisis like that erupts, we can then use those military techs to secure our sovereignty.

You said IF.
I agree with you in any case, but is developing weapons legal even as a preemptive approach? It's one thing to acquire weapons, it's another thing to develop weapons.

whatmoreng:
I see.....
Then boycott and watch buhari sail to victory.
I hope by then u won't come up with another jubril part 2 propaganda to rubbish him.

The world suffers not because of the actions of evil people but because of the inactions of good people.

Before you begin to quote sages, you should know that waiting every four years to take action is not exactly taking action neither is it a smart move. We've been singing about revolution in our bathrooms but no action(s) taken. We don't even need to riot sef, if the over 60 million youths stay at home and decide to not vote, do you know the message would have been passed without a single word said?

banom:
Thank you bro, shalom. You took the world out off my mouth. I was about telling our brother kanubiafra the same thing until you said it.

We must continue...

There are many of our friends and brothers genuinely concerned about this solemn movement but are dismayed by the drawbacks. We must encourage them time and time again. As for those whose sole aim is to troll and/or sow discord, I pray you find peace.

bantudra:
because you continue votin the wrong people over and over again....shey na people from lagos dey vote in enugu or people from sokoto dey vote in abia....??...

you have no point...

btw....why were you people not shoutin referenwetin in the 80s,90s and so on....??

Do you honestly believe it is your vote that count?

bantudra:
then go vote and atleast control your own area....you dont have to parcipate in presidential elections,but atleast have your people as governors in your area....

We don't run a regional government as it is so this doesn't hold water.

bantudra:
your area allowed alot of idiootic white missionaries into your area....

others didnt trust them atall....

When you say "your area" and "others", how then is it that we're in thesame mess of a country

bantudra:
i will give you a point....:
even if you manage to place your people in goverment in south east,you will still not get biafra....

This is a FACT we must establish. Going the political way will NOT help us get Biafra.
Nice one.

bantudra:
you are still doing it till today....even kenyans call you boastful not only other nigerians....

people that you call ss today fought you and that is a historical fact....
my area is in south south and i have no desire atall to become biafran....you can deny me my identity online as you like,thats still not gonna change anything....referenwetin is a none issue for us....

Before you make the issue of being boastful a matter of contention, I ask, what exactly was the boast about...is it fact or fiction?
SARS operatives boast about shooting people and nothing will happen...
Politicians boast about rigging elections...
Yorubas boast about being the most educated. So why is boasting now a problem... Or could it be inferiority complex

Again, the talk about SS fighting the SE, total hogwash. One, we are not talking about the whole SS, only our Biafran lands and natives cut out to deflate the struggle.

Two, the fear that has been planted in the hearts of many is that Igbos are dominating and all that, but ask yourself... When the Yorubas call you omo-ibo and the northerners call you iyanmirin, do they check your origin? When they begin their massacre in the north will they ask you to fill state of origin in an online poll?

Our people in Asaba who were shouting one nigeria in the hope that the Nigerian army would spare them, what happened? Those who felt that sabotaging the struggle would spare their neck, are they better off? You shouting "leave SS out of referendum" e nor pain you say food wen you cook for your own backyard na another man come chop am? How has your oil benefited you...has it not presented more harm than good? Brotherly, meh we dey try talk well abeg

whatmoreng:
Obviously.
Just imagine what will happen if ur IPOB endorse senators, house of reps, gubernatorial candidates that are truly sympathetic and genuine agitators to the Biafra movement from the south east. Definitely they will all win irrespective of their parties.
Just imagine having ur members in positions of authority. Imagine what it would do for the course.
Instead u decide to sit at home shouting " boycott, boycott". Who boycott epp? Nobody except APC.

How many of them have argued enough to bring development to their constituencies? What are the chances of 2 zones against 4 in the national assembly...do you think it is possible to lobby senators from other regions to vote against the interest of their paymasters? Do you think our current style of democracy favors lobbying by superior argument as against bribery which is the order of the day? Do you think, without being in control of our resources, we have the financial muscle to match the rest of the federal government naira for naira? Assuming we are, will it not be a sin against Chukwu Okike Abiama to resort to thesame rottenness from whence He is pulling is out?

Questions
Questions
Questions...

bantudra:
look....you can listen or you confront the nigerian militery....1960 was your biggest chance to separate and you blew it....

you thought you were smarter than other tribes and you would always rule over them....

enjoyin more education from those white morafvcker doesnt mean you are automaticaly smarter than other tribes because they didnt....

case and point....:
when your gragra didnt work,you then tried force and you got punched in your face....

Please explain what you mean by this. Are you sure we enjoyed more education? You might want to confirm that again

kanubiafra:
means it has not been confirmed right? but with evidences shown by kanu it 'may' be likely right? so who will do what if he is not the one ? don't get me wrong the only thing it will do is that it will boost kanu's reputation more and his credibility too. few people will go down for it and nigeria will go on yet no ref. a ref can only come when our allies speak up and they wont speak until there is a crisis. since python dance we have

You have spoken well. Read the bolded again, pause, reflect on it.

You really believe there won't be crises...Who takes over the government?

olakunle5:
I got it too don't know what it means

carik:
What could be the reason

Adejuliet:
Got this too. Please what does it mean?

cutesmilez:
Got it too. Mehn Nawa ooooo. Nija iyaf tire person. Buh Oluwa is fully involved. Ope lo ma end story. Hopes alive

It means you've not been considered to continue the process. I have one observation, while filling the form I knew it would bounce.

If you noticed, while there was no age description, the part where you tick the year you completed NYSC had three options.

~ before 2015
~ 2015/2016/2017/2018
~ 2019

It's my reasoning that only those that finished service within the last 4years will be considered.

Friend01:
If your questions were questions that deserve answers I would have done that.

You know in your hearts of hearts you just can't handle this truth that is why you are still stubbornly clinging to a claim which have no corroborative evidence and you think it's sounds logical.

Answer my last questions logically and TRUTHFULLY then we may have a fruitful discussion otherwise this conversation is over.

My questions do not deserve answers because you don't agree with my views, fair enough. But how then will I engage you if you continue to refuse engaging me. Many people argue that the Jibril story is unverifiable but a few forensic proofs by the presidency would have cleared the air but the government felt it was just noise and rabble-rousing. Here we are.

Bro, I appreciate the fact that you found me worthy of your time but this debate is going in circles.
Enjoy the rest of your day.

kanubiafra:
bannom. pls check out my name first while i'm 100 for a boycott , i have a few things about kanu and ipob since he came out on 19 oct. i just could not hold back my tears at the news. the thing is this jubril issue, while his live or death means nothing to me. i do not see how it will earn us a ref. i had hoped that kanu/ipob would have used same time dedicated to the jubril issue to lecture biafrans on the power of civil disobedience" election boycott etc and not this jubril thing at most he wouldn't have drag for so long. the other thing is to work for allies around the world. his appearance is very timely and the response of the world is great which he can bank upon to market biafra to the world. i do not know how to reach the ipob to offer my suggestions but pls if you let me know or you can still get to them so they can sensitize people ahead of the election people are willing to boycott but. they want to know its benefits thanks

What do you think will happen if it is confirmed before the general elections that there's truly an imposter?

On marketing Biafra, that is ongoing. Courting Israel is strategic. If you win Israel over you're basically a "keep in view" with the US and you know how much influence uncle Sam wields. You don't expect every cough and sneeze to be reported on social media do you?

On the bolded, except you only listen to Radio Biafra on Saturdays I don't think this should be an issue. Radio Biafra runs continuously all day, everyday. If you actually think about it, does showing the world how fraudulent the system is not support the call for boycott?