₦airaland Forum

whatmoreng:
Am tired of Nigeria too. But all I know is that boycotting of elections is the surest way of NOT ACHIEVING BIAFRA.

Voting will?

helinues:
Referendum is a long process. A bill must be sent to HoR for debate. After debating then they vote. If majority supports the bill then they pass it forward to senate to vote. It means majority of senate must also approve the bill before considering referendum. After the referendum, the same process repeats in both houses.

Then same process in state assemblies before president can accent to it.

Alright, but I think you're getting it all mixed up. This is not a bill, but more like a convention if you may. Delegates [truly] representing the peoples of the region in question will vote to remain or leave.

Ojiofor:
What have boycotting elections achieved for Massob/Ipob since 2003?
And whenever you boycott an election just like APC and their supporters are praying hard that you boycott the elections next year because they will benefit from it and the undesirables will continue to rule over you and if you make pim they will send Police and Army to treat your Bleep up.

What do you suggest and how effective do you think it will be? Explain

Warship:
You said, boycotting election will cause a power vacuum and force the international community to put pressure on Nigeria to call for a Referendum.


Did the boycott of Anambra State election, caused a power vacuum in the state.?

Until we Biafrans realize that Nigeria is made up of wild animalistic ethnic groups who do not respect the desires of we the Biafrans to be a separate entity from them, we won't prepare ourselves for a forceful split when the opportunity arises.

We Biafrans have 3 options because of the wild animalistic nature of Nigerians and these options are:

1) International lobby to get a Referendum which only take effect after a severe crisis.

2) Political involvement and revolution.

3) Secret development of advanced military technologies and mass production facilities in order to build up the military might to secure our sovereignty.



So, Now Answer My Question.


Did the boycott of Anambra State election, caused a power vacuum in the state.?

I understand the point you're trying to make, but what you called election in Anambra State was more like allocation of numbers, that is one reason Obiano will not forgive IPOB. Don't take my word for it, find out from any of the inner circles. Do you know there was an agreement not to go to tribunal? Still, don't take my word for it.
I know you'll demand a binary answer, so NO, it did not but it caused some embarassment.

Bolded number 2, having understood these tendencies why do you think we should continue to bear these conditions?

Of the three methods you suggested, I can put it to you that you will be shooting yourself in the foot if you try 2 & 3 and I'll explain.

Method 1: I can assure you, Nigeria is on a crisis of leadership right now and there is international lobbying going on. Anti-IPOB elements should pray fervently that this Jibril issue does not end up being true.

Method 2: Political involvement has shown to be ineffective based on the current arrangement. Revolution? An opportunity to confirm the terrorist tag in addition to militancy. Don't forget, wild animalistic nature has no room for superior argument.

Method 3: Is this even legal

printemps:
... But if this is to see the light of the day, you guys should strategize to achieve this. I see this being possible with Sowore's "take it back" movement. Sowore promised calling for some sort of referendum on restructuring if elected which I feel Kanu and his Biafran comrades can support. If IPOB can take advantage of this movement by filling the whole southeast political post for this forthcoming election with Biafran agitators who would in turn sponsor bill in the house for referendum for secession if and after they are voted in...

...Like Asari adviced IPOB to take over the Southeast polity by getting involved like other secessionist group around the world are doing.

Sir, I can confidently say it's not likely. Atiku made same promise, no?

Why I say it is not likely is this... Sowore has a media house, if he was serious about it then shouldn't this be a major topic for Sahara reporters

The mistake we constantly make is believing empty promises. I judge by antecedents not promises made in the heat of the moment. About Dokubo, I personally do not regard him that much because after all the freedom fighting through which he gained megabucks, in what ways has he influenced development in the Nigerdelta.

helinues:
You started the thread with a threat, abuse,curse yet you do not want people like you to comments.

Having a 100% yes referendum still doesn't make any different cos both house and senate have to vote. Catalonia should have been there own country by now if it is about having a successful referendum

Sha don't let PDP people catch you.

That's my advise

The bolded is not clear, please explain

Chinablack:
you want ipob to participate in Nigeria elections so that tomorrow the same you will be the first to rush to the social media and ask them to withdraw their elected representatives from Nigeria if really need Biafra. besides who is even deceiving you that your vote will count under this government that has refused to sign electoral law

You made a good point. Most people who argue against Biafra do not really understand why, especially those of us born from the mid-eighties down who did not have the benefit of history lessons. I have come across many people using the "form a political party" line (which I must admit, I once believed to be a brilliant idea till I did some studies that changed my mindset on a lot of things). For the older ones, it's quite complicated.

bantudra:
1960 was your chance to separate....southern cameroon did it....some stayed in nigeria,others choose cameroon....

where were you then....??...their were already igbos livin in britain even before 1960....why didnt they said they wanted their own country back then....??

you can not just start shoutin biafra now because things are not going your way....nobody will take una serious now....una thought una are too smart for other tribes and you were schocked that other tribes are smart too...

its una hubris as usual that put una in this situation....and you still have that nasty hubris till today....

anyways,other nigerians dont want to be with una too....who want to be toghether with such hatefilled people....?

una have una selfs to blame and nobody else.....

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, but this is not a competition about who is smarter

To start with, everyone agrees that things have gone hay wire and most argue that the north is drawing the country back. While political jobbers are screaming political marginalisation, I make bold to say that holding positions have not positively affected the lives of the common man (case study, the north).

All Igbos require is a level ground with justice and equity but only a mischievous fellows will deny the fact that there has been an overt and covert suppression and oppression of the economy of the current SE/SS majority of which make up Biafra. The only difference between IPOB and the average Igbo businessman is that the former, having recognized the reality that we are being trampled upon has taken up an active approach for liberation while the later, by his nature, will only just adapt to whatever condition he is exposed to and try to make the best of it...which is fine per se. But for how long?

dokie:
The initial steps NK took to garner support and large followership was great and should have been consolidated upon for the next ideal level which was to take over south east political leadership. And don't say votes don't count it's not true. IPOB has the capacity to win 80% of the electoral seats in igboland. You cannot be rigged out in a place where you have overwhelming support, it cannot happen. But unfortunately he went to declare election boycott which was a penalty to throwing kinda thing.

If he had done that, IPOB would have had political power in 2019, and further consolidated in 2023. I don't want to go further than this regarding further steps after getting the power but know that holding the political power of the south east has limitless possibilities for the Biafran struggle. Ojukwu was able to declare Biafra simply because he was in control of the government of the eastern region.

You have a very interesting perspective sir. However, I also want to point out that it is one thing to gain political control of the south east, yet it still does not translate to actualizing the demand for referendum because two-third majority vote in the national assembly is required.

Ojukwu you mentioned was already in charge of a cohesive region. I read also, that he was even given a marching order to declare not like he was prone to secession in the first instance. He was still pressing for peaceful negotiations and calling on the world to see to it that Gowon respects the Aburi accord.

If we ran a regional government your model would have been workable but no matter the hand you deal, you'll still be at the mercy of the caliphate as long as it is a central government.

artofseduction:
Can u in all honesty explain to me how boycotting elections will give you referendum and give examples of countries where it has worked.


Let me give you reasons why IPOB Should participate fully in politics.

First the present occupant of that seat i the worst person IPOB will wish to be there.

The Python dance u re seeing now is d tip of the iceberg cos he is coming back for another term. But come next year, na crocodile dance una go c.

First thing first
Get someone who will even dialogue with u instead unleashing military on u.


Separatist all over the world involve themselves in politics
Scotland
Catalonia
Kurds
Ireland's
California
Etc

In absence of this, d only option left for IPOB is to rebel and since you don't have the fire power. So what else?

IPOB should've adopted.a political party even if u can't muster presidential candidate

Have governors, National Assembly members

Take over the SE Political block and from their u plan economically and politically.

I'm curious about these points you raised.

The first highlight suggests that since it hasn't been done, it can not be done.

The second highlight is rather reactive. In my opinion, voting with that mindset is even counterproductive...that's how we got ourselves in this mess in the first place.

For the third highlight, I actually find it amusing because I don't see that happening in another 10 years.

Most people who have similar reasoning with the fourth highlight makes one believe we don't pay attention to history. This same suggestion was tried out by Ojukwu and we all know how it turned out.

In my opinion, I think it's rather absurd that we're even discussing this because the system is clearly messed up and those who are passionately advocating for voting are not doing so for its effectiveness or absolute believe in it but due to it being a "safer" way. It's just similar to a case of waiting for the stench to ease off rather than searching for and evacuating the rotting mouse that died because it's too much work.

Friend01:
Sincerely, I must concede you have a way with words, but all you have been writing are neither here nor there if we were to scrutinise every paragraph.

In all your attempt of trying to stick to the topic you ended up running round in circles - which proves that you were hell bent on making me believe that it's either your way or the high way.

You also claimed most of what I have said are direct or indirect insults.
See, one thing you should understand is that in the line of fire(when arguments are tensed) subtle and unintentional insults do come up and it shouldn't be seen as something of trying to belittle you or any of my opponent on this issue.
If I were to go back to our initial point of contention you would see who really started it. But this idea of trying to play the victim when you are totally floored by points won't fly. You can try another trick.

Back to the topic, the lady in question who you couldn't recall her full name further proves my point that you people are not even sincere with the balderdash you are spreading of being factual to a fault. All you are interested in is, let's bring him down even it means lying;to you all is fair.

Like I said, you are just running around the place.
Your body double claim is what I am refuting not what the north wants or what one million and one Osinbajo did.
Stick to the topic.

I have marshalled all my points very clearly without resorting to this rigmarole approach you are using as a diversion from the main bone of contention.

And please, answer these nagging questions below with facts(i mean, corroborative facts not one cooked and believed by certain group of persons) and maybe, I could see something logical or worthy of note to pick my brain:

>Who is this Jibril Aminu from?
I mean, what is his background? (furnish us with the details of this man, because you can't just grab an imaginary figure from thin air without telling us the historical background of this imposter).


>When did this so called body double act took place ? If true, was it in a hospital or a the president's lodge in the UK? or was number 10 downing street? who were the witnesses.

>Where was the 'late' Buhari buried?
If true, who ,where and how was he buried?
We need evidences that are well substantiated not some randomly selected epistles that have no known source .

I will stop here at this junction, and I hope you will respond to the points raised without dragging in issues that are totally unrelated to what is on the table .

Just as expected I asked open ended questions and once again he ignores the issues and insinuates that I'm playing the victim...of what exactly

Meanwhile, the name is Eric Joyce and he's a "he".

Warship:
FG will never grant us Referendum because Nigeria is a country filled with weird, undemocratic & uncivilized people.

So, IPOB needs to develop numerous plans in achieving a Referendum.

It will come to pass, no man born of a woman can stop it; and when it comes to pass the world will know that indeed, a new sun is birthed in the east that will lead Africa out of the pit.

Warship:
You have still not given us a concrete answer to our question below

And if federal government continue to ignore IPOB call for REFERENDUM what would be IPOB's next step or will they continue to boycott election till eternity.?

Donelli:
...
To answer your question academically, I will say IF the government had ignored all along a different method would have been used...

I already responded to the bolded, to give you a binary answer, it's a NO; but do you think the federal government has been ignoring or will continue to ignore IPOB call for referendum?

On the next step, we'll have to wait and see.

Friend01:
I should start explaining to you as if you were dead when other past presidents who had similar challenges and they made a show of themselves by being in the office when their health condition was not good.

Your questions do not really deserve any answer to begin with, because they lack tact and coherence for there to appropriate answers.
You are only shooting in the dark with your questions.


You are right. My problem is with the source.
No SANE human is expected to believe a known liar except there are corroborative evidences from trusted source to buttress his claim. And such claim can only fly in the imagination of those who love to be told fairy tales. The source and only source that came with this ruse is the Biafra radio,I stand to be corrected. Tell me who else cooked up this garbage.


Just listen to yourself.
He is an imposter not a clone? How logical; an imposter only known to Nnamdi Cownu and his goons but not known to the British government who had him treated in one of their hospitals that a body double or double body from Sudan was swapped on their land? Even his wife, children ,relatives, close allies and even those who visited him in the UK did not know and they were evasive enough not to tell the public that Nigerians where dealing with a double body. Sometimes when I look at the crass foolishness and stupidity, and high level of insincerity being displayed by your lots I just shake my head in pity. Most of you are a disgrace to education. You think. being able to read and write makes one educated whereas it requires a level independent thinking sincerity, but who wants that when somebody can do the thinking for your for free.

You people don't know you being led to the slaughter like a sheep. You won't see the signs now, but just tarry little and you will see it sooner than you expected.

I'll overlook the fact that you lack simple decorum to debate without resorting to direct and indirect insults. I'll also wave aside the fact that you sidelined the questions I asked and kept throwing tantrums.

Let me now attempt to address the few topical issues you raised. I should point to also, for the benefit of all readers, that in this country we ought to recognize that things are not always in black and white. There's a lot of grey areas which we ignore, especially those who think themselves smarter than others. Having said that, let's consider some things.

Do you know that there was an attempt to hide the critical health status of Yaradua from the public?

Do you also know that if not for Dr Dora Akunyili (of blessed memory) whom they didn't carry along in their plans, they would have succeeded?

Do you agree that she is not someone who can be bought to propagate falsehood that could be a major reason she was not carried along even as minister for information?

Do you think the north was happy with how it all ended, relinquishing power to an 1nfidel?

Do you think they will be likely to allow a repeat with Buhari/Osibanjo?

About the wife and children, how come she was no where to be seen when Prince Charles visited with the wife as is the practice? Why all the passive aggression against her husband's administration (e.g the party convention where he came unopposed)? Why the uneasiness around her husband which wasn't the case before now?
Where is Zara who was always in our face on twitter about her dad?

Which father welcomes his son who had a near death experience from an accident with just a "mechanical" handshake? You know what, let's keep this one aside.

Coming to Britain I'll ask a straight question which I require you to answer even if you avoid all the above: is it in their best interest that power comes south or remains in the north, and why?
Ditto friends and associates.

Finally, why has the British journalist, Joyce (I don't recall the full name at this time) not been sued for libel?
Why was an attempt made to assassinate Nnamdi Kanu who was the most active voice against the conspiracy instead of legal action?

If you cannot answer these questions I suggest you just walk away as against your insults and tantrums. I dont engage in such.

Olabestonic001:
You didn't believe your last statement, did you?
A rabble-rouser has not much to offer than infect folks for generations; unless, of course, you actually believe that Kanu is making illusionary movement.

Notice how you avoided the issues I raised

Warship:
That is Yoruba people for you.

Instead of going straight to the point, the idiot decided to ridicule NK only to end up raising the same facts NK raised.

We will know the whole story in a matter of time

njelrapheal:
i must commend you and other well thinking Nigerians capable of rational thinking without resulting to name calling and insults. I mean like u said compelling arguments have been given to support the claim what the denialists should do is counter those claims so people like us can also analyse with our head.

We must continue

Friend01:
I think you are mistaken my quote for somebody else's I never said the lady's article was brilliant, I only said she gave an overview of what is happening in the country.
Go back to my previous quote and see it yourself.

It was not a mistake. You made an insinuation which I made bold in your previous comment I quoted.

If I may ask, what standard do you follow that makes you judge an argument or a claim to be compelling?
Just mention something logical about what these people have been saying that makes their argument compelling except, maybe, their argument is compelling to you because it suits your kind of interpretation to a story without any factual basis to it.

Just two questions: Explain to us how it is possible that a president could not use his office for months because of rat invasion. Secondly, how do you explain the fact that the president avoids (or is being hidden from) the public unless under an arranged audience?

Sincerely speaking, is this the case with the clone or imposter thing?
Which was started by a well known enemy of the state and you are expecting me to swallow whatever damn 'compelling evidences ' he has hook,line and sinker? come one dude.
You know this stuff better than I do.

And again,how many well known media houses have corroborated the claim of these ipobians with their own independent investigation.

If the news was spread by our well known media houses such as premiumtimesng and Saharareporters that are reputed for investigative approach to such news I would have given it the due consideration it requires, but a story concocted, cooked and spread by a known enemy?
Or are some of us so daft that we can see in between the lines.
Should this even be a news that is worth anybody's time who knows his/her onions.

I don't think you've said anything that least compelling or even worthy of note.

Will I be wrong to conclude that your only problem with the story is not because of the argument itself but because of the person who first raised the alarm.

Meanwhile, it's an imposter not a clone. Also, have you not noticed that ALL the media houses and print avoided the news until when it has drawn international attention. The fact that none took up the investigation or said anything about it doesn't make it false.

johndan103:
We have said a lot of issue but there is no concrete step to go further from where we are. We as a people can always agree to disagree. But we need to start acting. Its up to the young people to act.

The future belongs to the youths but the youths dont realize they can build a system that will liberate them from the clutches of poverty and backwardness.

If my disclaimer number 3 is stopping you from further contribution; i feel i owe you an explanation as to why i put it up. And the two reasons are:
1. Nairaland rule number 9
2. What Africa needs is unity not disintegration. Use South Sudan as example.

But the essence of everything is to move our dear fatherland forward without the people at the helm of affairs who are afraid to see us empowered and enlightened.

Everyone want to leave Africa and the rest of the world doesn't want Africans. And the youths are praying for a miracle instead of taking their destiny into their own hands and charting a new course of action by mobilizing online and deciding their fate collectively.

This is my reasoning...
1. There is no way justice and equity can be restored without eliminating this quota system fraud. Now, let's say we return our federal civil service to merit system, pardon me if I'm being stereotype but the North's representation will reduce drastically and this will lead to an uprising in the near future due to marginalisation. Unlike the rest, it will be bloody.

2. If you want to do review of constitution, the north who are fighting to maintain the statusquo hold majority stake in the national assembly. How do you intend to deal with that.

3. Let's say we do resource control. In whose hand will the resources be placed? Thesame evil-minded set of people or a caretaker committee.

4. Even if there were to be a revolution, are we to eliminate all the current crop of politicians? Exile them? Retire them? What about their minions.

5. I argue for a referendum. If in the end it is agreed that the country should split then each new country's working documents will be drawn from scratch to arrest the existing vices.

Friend01:
The problem with some of your Jibrilist is that you want every one to suck from that dirty gutter of lack of critical thinking and factless lies only spread by fools and believed by ignoramuses.

The writer did a clear overview of what is really happening in this country not some white wash job to pander to the ever erratic feelings of those whose judgement are beclouded by prejudice and unreasonable hate of anyone who does not suit their kind.

You. don't need to read because your hatred as already sold. you out.

We know Buhari has not really lived to his pre-electoral billing, but lies and hate speech spread by a section of people who are more concerned about themselves should not be believed by anyone who has a modicum of sincerity in their heart.

Oga why you dey hala.

You think I'm hateful because I refuse to be blind? The occupant of the seat of the president is said to be an imposter, compelling arguments have been made to support the claim. What arguments have been made to dispel the claims

The fact that the whole episode is taking a new dimension on the international scene such that we are now the butt of jokes should tell you something.

A journalist writes an epistle and I am expecting to see something concrete and from the first paragraph s/he is attacking an individual instead of addressing the issues at hand and I am expected to take the article seriously? Come on.

Let the evidences and counter evidences be revealed while we analyse for ourselves. I don't regard non-issue based arguments please.

And if you think a journalist writing about something that is already public knowledge is brilliant then it's a shame.

Mujtahida:
If you do not understand metaphor you will not understand the underpinnings of her brilliant article.

I think the article was intended to be non-commital.

Olabestonic001:
As if he ever address the nation more than once before his mysterious sickness.

In all honesty, Buhari is heavily disconnected from Nigerians...

Good, you conceded this fact but you still avoided my other question.

...and that's why Kanu can feast on that.

Feast? It takes an investigative mind, or at least an inquisitive mind, to observe an anomaly and call it out.

However, I feel those who probably poisoned Buhari are still stunned he survived it. Hence, the evil spinning.

I don't know about poisoning, but even if, are you of the opinion that Nnamdi Kanu poisoned Buhari?
Last I checked it was because of this "alarm" he raised that led to his home being invaded in a ploy to take him out. What's your take on that

We all know that Kanu has no known moral stance and he is ready to lie, deceive, hypnotize and manipulate to have his way. A case is his disappearance and his wife crying on BBC as well as his brother's official lie only for him to reappear. To any sane person, that has disqualified him from even uttering any 'truth'. He is a lie.

Since you know this much, explain to us how he was able to escape a combined air, land and civil defence team including immigration. How did he land in Israel when his documents were seized? How is it that a former US diplomat argued for him to be granted international protection as head of state?

However, when you have a disconnected man, Kanu can suddenly look like a sane leader. The fact that Kanu still has people who idolize him shows that his followers are sick, insane, paranoid and deserving of deception.

Funny enough, their brains have been fixed on conspiracy and that has become their trade in stock. Everything now has been 'Conspirationalized'.

They are definitely doomed!

For someone who defends Buhari so much, someone who has practically lost international respect as a human being I just sigh in pity.
"I will destroy the z00 with the truth... " - Nnamdi Kanu (2018)

TopTrendsNig:
The Igbo Delegate Assembly (IDA) after their one-day extraordinary meeting, that was held in Kaduna has issued a communiqué, asking all Igbos resident in the 19 Northern States to stop running away from the North whenever elections are in the corner.
https://toptrends.com.ng/stop-running-away-from-the-north-during-elections-igbo-group-warns/

Very bad advice

OP sir,
This term "revolution" has been so used that it is becoming a cliche. Before you talk about a revolution, have we all (or at least, a majority) come to the realization that there is a problem? If I am to judge from politics section of nairaland, that's a NO.

Assuming we have, do we know what the problem(s) is(are)?

Do we know who the enemy is?

Can we develop a cohesion of purpose to act or try to sabotage each other every chance we get?

Nigeria's problem has gone beyond a constitution change. The rottenness is so intense that this country can not come out whole...IF it remains a country that is.

I'll stop at these thoughts because of your disclaimer number 3.

For those defending Buhari on everything done or undone, it's good to see your reactions on this topic.

donphilopus:
Those people are just something else. That's why I've chosen not to argue with them because most of them sound irrational.

Ideas sound irrational to small/weak minds.
It is one thing to be skeptical, but shutting your mind off alternative argument is plain dumb. No be new thing.
Many people know of Thomas Edison but who knew of Henry Morton who was probably more established.

Olabestonic001:
Even if he speaks Fulfude, they will say he was trained overnight. Should he remove his cap, they'll say it was modified in haste.

They have chosen to believe a lie and won't repent.

Let's forget the Jibril story for a minute. Answer this...

Why has the president been avoiding public interaction since he returned from his miraculous treatment? Why address issues of national interest with only "Nigerians in the diaspora"?

donphilopus:
There's nothing to weigh there. If after reading a Prof's view on the issue of cloning...

This is where you lost me, I didn't bother reading further cos I'm sure it's a senseless rant. If a "prof." cannot stick to the subject matter, then...

We're talking about an imposter with a modified physiological semblance from cosmetic surgery, you and your prof are yapping about a clone. So much for someone with self-acclaimed intelligence.

donphilopus:
How can I argue with someone who believes the person in Aso Rock is Jibril? I don't consider such a person sound so no need arguing intelligently with him.

In other words, anyone who doesn't see things from your perspective is not intelligent. Oh my word..

I thought debates are supposed to be comparison and analyses of facts and hypotheses. Simply that you don't think there's a Jibril in aso rock does not make it untrue. Assuming yourself more intelligent than another only proves you're empty cos intelligent people seek FIRST to understand, weigh the theories then conclude.

donphilopus:
Use your brain if you have any. You sound senseless.

The only thing I feel for those who will rather dish insults than argue with decorum is PITY cos one cannot give what one does not have.

leoniel:
PDP are smart,they know by acknowledging that it implies empowering Osinanjo to become the president of Nigeria.Atiku knows too well that the arrangement will not Favour him.

You know what's up. Atiku has been given the assurance in exchange for his silence while the impostor is phased out to oblivion. In the end, Nigerians would have been f00led again into believing they voted out APC

nameo:
This is a most brilliant write up, attempting to describe the possible reasons or motivations behind this "jibril" debacle. Brilliant!!!

Every one from both sides should read it.

I gave up reading from the first paragraph cos I just had the feeling that it will be a waste of time. It was when I read your comment I had to go back and skim the essay, thinking I was too quick to dismiss it but I don't see what makes it a brilliant article. From the first paragraph one can see the writer's stance: he does not believe the Jibril theory.

He starts by trying to shade Nnamdi Kanu, then ends by stating thesame concerns that have been raised. He only succeeded in dancing round the issues without making any sense. His main aim was to discredit the impostor stance.

Is it not a shame that a so called journalist can not do proper investigation even when s/he has agreed that a lot is amiss, than composing an inconclusive article that serves no practical purpose.