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Haba mana.

Meanwhile, buhari has taken us international.

Theflint1:
If you believe two truths can exist, why then have you been shouting "Enough" on every post?

Just like Donj, you agree that there have been attacks on Igbo-dominated areas in elections past. While you prefer to see these as attacks on places that didn't vote in line with the wishes of BAT, others might choose to see it as an attack on Igbo's and they are entitled too to that opinion, after all, it's Igbo-dominated areas being attacked.


You can do better than just one hit, I'm sure there should be at least 10 of these.


I don't know why you feel the need to say the above and it's actually funny because your day-long rant has been because you're insisting on people seeing things the way you've chosen to see them.


I don't have any issues with you calling me out for whatever it is you think you're calling me out for, same way I don't expect you to see you crying over my mentions when it seems like I'm calling BAT out for running an ethnically charged election. A politician doesn't have to be a tribalist or religious bigot before they decide to use tribalism/bigotry to win elections. I for one have said I don't see BAT as a tribalist, but to say he won't use tribalism to his advantage if it will help him get votes is silly. Same way Peter Obi is jumping from church to church to get Christian votes is the same way BAT has used Yoruba ethnic nationalism and subtle tribalism to get Yoruba votes, it's what it is, the job of a politician is to win elections.

He sees your point but has an axe to grind so at this point he's better ignored. Let's focus ahead on our joint goal to see obi on that chair.

Nihilistjnr why on earth can you not look and pass my issues?? It's on record that we have the most nastiest and recurring problems reaching to the extent of personal levels. Why on earth will you not avoid me?? Why not look and pass? Why must you deliberately provoke me even when I have not in the least bit engaged you.. I'm throwing out this public warnings, so people would see how it got to the level of bringing up people's dead relatives when it starts.

NIHILISTJNR AVOID ME!!!!!

nihilistjnr:
You wont face Disstroy that called you Nairaland Kevin Spacey.

It's me that laughed that you were facing.
If you dont like the name, face the chairman that bestowed it on you and leave spectators out of it.

Dont be a coward. Address your mail fair and square

DissTroy:
Don't needlessly turn people on each other.

Do you believe there is a possible impending ethnic cleansing against Igbos in Lagos as Gbadamosi has stated and reechoed by Donjazet? If you believe so, what are the pointers? Can you reference any precedence or antecedence of Igbo-targeted ethnic cleansing?

Even during the (needless) Civil War, at no time did Igbos in Yoruba areas get cleansed. No recount of the Civil War by the Igbos (including by Prof. Chinua Achebe) ever mentioned systematic targeting of Igbos in Yoruba areas.

The presidential candidate we support asides, there are lines we shouldn't cross. Genocide accusations is not something you play with for 'likes'. If we didn't point it out to him and drag the issue, many Igbos on this thread were innocently buying into it.

Disstroy I don't know the color of your problem. I am seriously refraining from going hard with you because I know for a fact it will negatively impact our campaign here on national issues and I genuinely don't want that right now. I truly don't, because you've been very resourceful here.

Secondly, It's funny that someone famed for receipts is yet to produce one to back his claims.

Is it that you can no longer distinguish between NARRATIVES and ACTION.

Look at this your post up there, you said people are falsely accusing others of ethnic cleansing and genocide? Have you really become that illiterate that you cannot see that what people are talking about are "narratives" being peddled??

Go back and read gbadamosi's post, he is warning against the XENOPHOBIC NARRATIVES being peddled by pro tinubu supporters. Hearing tinubu himself, one can hear it from the horses mouth. Tinubu himself has said plainly that he accommodates people that ran away from obi's state. We have heard his wife say in plain terms, "igbo we no dey trust una again". These are the NARRATIVES being attacked.

No one has said tinubu or his supporters are "cleansing" anyone. We're nipping the NARRATIVES in the bud.

Now I'm purposely avoiding you to avoid this being drawn out but your agenda no go gree you rest. I'm overlooking the one's you've already done but you keep fermenting it. Okay oo.

In as much as my message is being digressed into other nonsenses.

Let's never forget why I'm doing what I'm doing.

This below is EXACTLY what I'm calling out.

In campaign stump speeches in Yoruba in the Southwest, Tinubu has been increasingly recoiling into his ethnic shell. For example, on Thursday in Osogbo, he said to a mammoth crowd: “Omo oko ni wa, a kii se omo ale [We are sons of our fathers; we are not bastards]. Awa la gbe won de be [We put them in power]. Awa l'a maa ro po won [We are the ones that will replace them].” That was clearly a dig at Buhari and his inner circle.

On Friday in Ekiti, he repeated the ethnic nationalist themes that have now become his customary style of campaigning when he speaks in Yoruba to a Yoruba audience. "This election is yours. It is the election you will use to liberate yourselves,” he said. “They want to turn us into servants. We are not servants.” That’s obviously not the language you would expect of the candidate of the ruling party.

The trope of slavery and servitude is an emotionally persuasive dog whistle in Yoruba nationalist politics. It evokes images and sensation of "Fulani domination" without mentioning it, and galvanizes a united ethnic front, particularly because Buhari and his cabal who are against him, and Atiku, his closest challenger, are Fulani people. In other words, Tinubu’s latest campaign style is straight out of “Yoruba Nation '' playbook.

A Yoruba friend who helped me translate Tinubu’s stump speeches said Tinubu “is actually preparing the West for a resistance.” And he may be successful because, at least on the surface, his grievance is valid. He and the Yoruba supported Buhari and his “Fulani” people to ascend to power on condition that their gesture would be reciprocated after eight years.

I am very sure every western person here can distinguish between attacking tinubu's talking point and attacking Yorubas. Tinubu does not speak for or represent all Yorubas.

Such tribal tones are for his tribalistic followers like dayo to lap up, who then go online and start advocating for people of other tribes who left their "red soiled region" to go back or be put in slave labor camps.

BlueRayDick:
Barrister nihilistjnr esq. please help me with the case file of izzou vs Donjazet2 bordering on the defendant calling the plaintiff an igbo Hausa man.

Where is it bad to ask one if his father is Hausa? Why would you interpret it as bad?

I could have easily asked if his father was ikwerre or ika or gbagi or Ibibio.
You have to see that it is your own mind that has made asking if his father was Hausa derogatory. Do you think being Hausa is derogatory?

From someone who encourages child rape.

What I found out about myself after years of reflection is that I GENUINELY HAVE A TALENT FOR ANTAGONIZING PEOPLE!

I know how to say things that push people's button and grinds their gears.

I MAKE FUN OF DISABILITIES AND WEAKNESSES.

I laugh at jokes in poor taste.
Even when I am quiet, I have a face that people want to punch.

I AM AN ASSHOLE AND I LIKE IT.

BlueRayDick:
Okay. So when will U own up to ur fault of calling izzou okoro-Hausa ? Abi u have addressed that one too and we didn’t know ?

Where did I call him okoro Hausa?

nihilistjnr:
Nairaland Kevin Spacey

🔥🔥🔥

True to form for the self proclaimed asshole.
I know why I keep issuing out warning after warning. E get why..

Interesting excerpt on the front page.

To rein in Emefiele, BAT camp got a willing tool in DSS. As a pretext for avoiding arrest, the CBN boss left the country on “annual leave” and returned after clearing the coast. The APC governors outcry is not about the plight of the masses but the waning chances of their party.

One thing is clear in this drama: Emefiele’s election eve naira swap is as politically motivated as DSS’ plan to charge him with terrorism financing. While Emefiele was licking his wounds over botched presidential dream, he got an intel that BAT had moved “logistics” to states.

Emefiele then remembered it was time Nigeria redesigned its currency. He sold the idea to the president, who approved posthaste without consulting the finance minister, economic team, National Assembly, etc. In 2012, people’s voice killed CBN’s plan to coin lower denominations.

Again with logical inconsistencies. Disstroy my only consistent position is that tinubu and a majority of his supporters are running a tribal campaign.
I have provided evidences to support that claim, even this morning. Even you sef have provided evidence to support the fact that some of his supporters are running a tribal campaign. Seeing how inconsistent your arguments are, I can see that you just have another agenda towards my point and I will stop this argument with you because I know what you already have in mind and for best reasons, I intend not to go down that path.

DissTroy:
Now you've learnt to be civil and focus on the issue.

You began yesterday by insisting there's a genocidal/ethnic cleansing plan against the Igbos. Those in Lagos or who at some point resided in Lagos assuaged your fears (real or feigned) by explaining the man whose tweets you posted as evidence is just playing to the gallery to garner Igbo votes.

You wouldn't have none of it but insist it's real. That's a genocidal narrative. That's deliberate fearmongering which could cause palpable tensions. Ethnic cleansing is no joke except there's real evidence or antecedence but there's never been any such example in Lagos.

You insist on genocidal narratives because it fits your idea of tribalism everywhere and every time.

Relay this narrative and tweets to some least enlightened people in certain parts of the SE and you'd convince them. That puts the Yrouba communities in the SE at risk too and would premeditate ethnic clashes in Lagos and other places.

But, hey, you'd push the genocidal narrative regardless, all logical explanations be damned.

BlueRayDick:
I guess u weren’t playing ostrich when u refused to criticize ur comrade here

https://www.nairaland.com/7186774/epl-chatroom-all-discussions/1228#120038999

What is there to criticize if someone owns up to his own faults? The aim of pointing out a problem, is it not for it to be addressed?

I notice you didn't address tinubu's speech that I had posted there. Isn't that proof if what in saying.

DissTroy:
Coward! You are asked to desist from towing the genocidal line because of the violent fallbacks, you insisted. Provided with evidence that a sitting president made same claim against yours, you evaded the question.

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Again disstroy i refrain.
Now can you tell us what you mean by the bolded? Where did I personally tow a genocidal line? Who have I threatened in any way?
I keep asking you for receipts and you who is famed for it is yet to provide one.

DissTroy:
Predictable. Out of nowhere mention something insane like paedophilia when I haven't even had any discussions about it to deviate from the point.

You are the gay ambassador on this thread. You are the ambassador for transexuality and gender change in this thread and even wanted me to see reasons with all those queer traits when I said I don't align with them. On this thread. It's illegal in Nigeria but it's your life to live as long as you don't force them on the rest of us who don't align.

On the American Politics thread, you align with queer and such irritating deviant ideas. Everyone knows this.

Halfwit thought I was going to go defensive when he pulled out paedophilia claims? You are the one who confessed to ráping little boys in secondary school.

Now, Donjazet2, the hate and fearmonger, why did you out of the blues infuse a genocidal topic and made it about it unprovoked?

Of course, full blown ad-hominen.
Just asbi suspected this was heading. What do you really expect? That both of us would go full blown attack on each other this morning? No I'll pass. I'll pass because I genuinely respect what you do, at least for now.
Attack away my man.

DissTroy:
Nonsense. You ran because you couldn't answer the poser. Simple.

If you believed your own words, you wouldn't go about attacking anyone with the tribalism tag because it's their right to do theirs as you do yours. If this is so, none of us should attack Amoto for this murderous fanaticism. After all, he's practising what his religious sect believes in even though not everyone of his religion believes in being extremist.

You've called out tribalism a so many times since July. I barely get involved. When it's individual cases, I even supply more evidence to buttress your point. My post history is there to prove me right.

But when you go right on to make it always uses tribal references in every debate here and even upped the ante about genocide and insisting on it even against reason of everyone (Igbos and non-Igbos) who have assuaged your complains that no such thing has and woulf happen in Lagos, I'd call you out.

You are deliberately fearmongering needlessly and inciting tribal violence. If we didn't caution you, you'd have made more crazy claims.

Maybe if you take time to go through the CyberCrimes Act 2015, you'd realize what you are doing is punishable by law. Inciting violence or spreading rumours to cause gross civil unrest is a crime. Let me go the legal way now. Maybe you think you're invincible.

The amount of sheer nonsense that has been coming out of your mouth is just mind boggling. Inventing false narratives after false narratives. When I ask you to prove it, you run and simply invent another one more egregious than the former.

Disstroy can you point out where on I personally "incited violence"? Are you sure everything is okay up there?
Who did direct this so-called incited violence against?
It's almost as if we're playing a game of throwing dirt out of no where and seeing which one sticks.

Disstroy do you know that pedophilia is an offense against the law? Maybe you should stop supporting pedophilia.

BlueRayDick:
Just take a look at ur initial post that start all of these tribalism narratives yesterday below.

Just like disstroy pointed it out to u and I did in the past; I think u are doing a good job with ur efforts at encouraging people to get their PVC , to vote Peter Obi and all that. We’ve even gotten testimony of people here who mentioned u as a major factor responsible for their interest in this election unlike in the past when they’ve actually been uninterested and stayed away from the polls.

Please don’t undo all of those good works with this constant tribal narratives u keep dragging us into anytime the thread is enjoying relative peace. Of a truth this thread is a general chat room where every topic can be discussed , but only u coming here each time to start dropping screenshots , seeing tribalist agenda in every post is tiring honestly . Izzou that stays in Lagos , has business interests in Lagos and deals with the everyday life in Lagos has told u the real picture of things time and time again. What again do U want ?

Blueray, I would keep saying this. Pretending that tribalism is not an issue in this election is simply playing the ostrich.. I strongly believe that tinubu is playing a tribal game that is very dangerous to our national affairs, hence me highlighting this issue.
And let me ask you this, why do you think me talking about the tribal connotations in this election is very uncomfortable for some? Is this because the issue is something you guys want to avoid because people that possess soft influence here would rather it not be spoken about because of them being terribly guilty of this and you guys being unable to adequately address the hypocrisy?

Anyways unto tinubu's tribalism, read this article carefully that exposes the game he's playing in the southwest.

Blueray, don't play the ostrich.

Tinubu has detected the phenomenal transmutation of his political fortunes in the Muslim North not because Muhammadu Buhari and the Aso Rock cabal (who frankly now have zero political capital) are machinating against him but because of his fatiha debacles. In response, he has chosen to change tack and go full-on Yoruba nationalist.

In campaign stump speeches in Yoruba in the Southwest, Tinubu has been increasingly recoiling into his ethnic shell. For example, on Thursday in Osogbo, he said to a mammoth crowd: “Omo oko ni wa, a kii se omo ale [We are sons of our fathers; we are not bastards]. Awa la gbe won de be [We put them in power]. Awa l'a maa ro po won [We are the ones that will replace them].” That was clearly a dig at Buhari and his inner circle.

On Friday in Ekiti, he repeated the ethnic nationalist themes that have now become his customary style of campaigning when he speaks in Yoruba to a Yoruba audience. "This election is yours. It is the election you will use to liberate yourselves,” he said. “They want to turn us into servants. We are not servants.” That’s obviously not the language you would expect of the candidate of the ruling party.

The trope of slavery and servitude is an emotionally persuasive dog whistle in Yoruba nationalist politics. It evokes images and sensation of "Fulani domination" without mentioning it, and galvanizes a united ethnic front, particularly because Buhari and his cabal who are against him, and Atiku, his closest challenger, are Fulani people. In other words, Tinubu’s latest campaign style is straight out of “Yoruba Nation '' playbook.

A Yoruba friend who helped me translate Tinubu’s stump speeches said Tinubu “is actually preparing the West for a resistance.” And he may be successful because, at least on the surface, his grievance is valid. He and the Yoruba supported Buhari and his “Fulani” people to ascend to power on condition that their gesture would be reciprocated after eight years.

Now it’s payback time, and Buhari and his “Fulani” people are reneging on their pledge and want to hand over power to one of them from a different political party. You may question the merits of this argument, but it seems to be gaining traction in the Southwest even among people who previously despised Tinubu.

https://www.nairaland.com/7554040/three-major-shifts-presidential-campaign

Meanwhile let me add that that last paragraph is why I think buhari is now openly campaigning against buhari. He has seen that buhari's influence is not as strong in the north anymore and perhaps wants to harvest tribal grievance in the west to solidify his support.

Izzuo, to buttress my point, there was this interview I was watching recently of a labor party guy in imo state. He was formerly of the PDP and was even a previous contestant for office on the platform.

On the morning programme interview, this guy was giving a full rundown as to how rigging at the ballot box takes place. He was even boldly alluding to his own role of collusion with the security agents to enable voters show who they voted for to facilitate vote buying. Where he really caught my Interest was a part where he was describing about what went down with rochas in inec office. Again this guy is actually in another state oo. How rochas basically threatened his way into office.

Now such former insiders are basically necessary in pointing out the loopholes within the system and counter measures obi could take.

Another is general eneche, a military general under this administration who perhaps was part of the problems in the last few years, but his insights can still help to know where problems can be solved.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Someone who just left APC in June, has the guts to tell us about BAD?
This fat bloated thief?

Odiegwu[/color]

I would like to know what exactly you are criticizing.
If a thief who has been robbing people lays down his arms, tells you HE WAS WRONG! and then decides to join the efforts in stopping in other thieves or minimizing stealing, shouldn't that be appraised??

Do we now condemn people who speak out against the evil of this government even when they come out to own their mistake? No redemption arc?
So then how do we expect the change to come about?

Sometimes insiders are the best route to faster change.

DissTroy:
2 hours. No response. Funny how the Donjazet actively pushing genocidal narratives suddenly plays blind.

Your refusing to reply or answer the poser is a reply in itself. If anything, it shows your inconsistency in logic.

Bro I just did not want us to go down the path we were heading because I actually value what you do here. But it behooves me what you think gives you the right to be shouting enough where I dey. You do your thing and let me do mine, if you see me degenerating an entire tribe you call me out and criticize, what I don't get is you pissed off about me exposing the uncomfortable truth. I repeat, you do yours and let me do mine. No need to go at each other. Peace.

Away from all these, does anyone have any idea about this qnet stuff on frontpage?

I have a friend involved in it, someone I would usually trust with financial ideas and this person was trying to sell me this stuff. I immediately smelt ponzi but he was going above and beyond to prove that this was not a ponzi scheme..

Anyone with any idea about this qnet stuff here?

DissTroy:
Since you insist we shouldn't question anybody's motive and always take what they posit as face value,

he's Buhari just last year warning about South Easterners to stop killing non-indigenes in Igboland.

Buhari condemns killings of non-indigenes, police officials in South East

- https://guardian.ng/news/buhari-condemns-killings-of-non-indigenes-police-officials-in-south-east/

According to your logic, Donjazet2, the SE are tribalistic killing non-indigenes and police, right?
Don't dodge this.

Honestly I expected much better from you..
Your methods of argument today are Soo uncharacteristic of what we've seen from you on this thread. This constant urge to invent false narratives\accusations and run with it.

Disstroy, you just made this assertion below: in this statement you've made, can you state the logic of mine" you're talking about?

According to your logic, Donjazet2, the SE are tribalistic killing non-indigenes and police, right

Because I don't see where I be stated that people of SW are tribalistic. I'm according that tag to the supporters of a particular candidate. And backing it with evidence.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]If Ken Nnamani tweeted that Igbos and Yorubas supporting BAT are being attacked by Obidients, would you agree with it?

I already know your answer, but let's pretend it would be neutral

Gbadamosi is in the opposition and would say anything to hurt APC's chances. These are politicians for heaven's sake.

For us in Lagos, nobody is attacking us yet. Igbos have markets that are largely dominated by them; markets where the whole leaders are Igbos, and nothing is happening

Let's let politicians be politicians[/color]

That there are very successful Igbo people in Lagos, (right from time) does not mean that that there is not a present danger looming or rather hateful narratives being groomed.

What I see here is you playing the ostrich, that is burying your head in sand to pretend not to be aware of what is happening around you..

Tinubu's wife said, we no trust you igbos again.
A hardcore tinubu supporter here has a solid history of haunting Igbo people online.

Mc oluomo came out to blame Igbo people for spreading fake news when it was revealed transporters were being forced to pay for tinubu paraphernalia.

I could go on and on to show you a pattern of tribal brewing but of course you would keep diverting.
What if I showed you other Yoruba people kicking against tinubu's tribal politics, what would you say?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]But almost everybody here telling you that Gbadamosi is just feeding on our fears lives in Lagos

Lives...I mean "Currently"

Yet, you have continued to argue and argue.
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First there is no "almost everybody". Second what gives anyone the right to misinterpret the man's motive?

He has sounded out an alarm based on what he's seeing, heck based on what we're seeing.

Abi no be for this page, person dey call tribe "beasts and cannibals"??

In case I need to remind you look very well at these and see exactly what gbadamosi is warning against.
Mind you, I'm posting unprovoked comments.

Nezzjnr:
Donjazet2 do you have Fuel?

Omo. E hard to find oo. But I do. It's 380 a litter sha.

Who else is seeing the new obi advert on nairaland?? E get as the thing dey sweet me. Digital advertisment is something the obi campaign should have been topping in. But it's good they've latched on finally.

Emaprince:
Do you remember the time Don j was asking for an utopian world?

Thing is...he takes it too seriously, and can easily be offended if you don't agree with him. Na why he he beef with many people.

I'm an idealist, which means I strongly wish to see the very best of society.
Yeah, this tends to mean I get over passionate about certain things.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Isn't it funny that DonJ does not even live in Lagos, but has so much knowledge about how Igbos are affected by bigotry here?

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I lived in Lagos for a long time. I still visit consistently. I also have relatives there. And laslty, this point is absurd, generally. One doesn't need to live in Maiduguri to know what Boko Haram is doing there.
This point makes no sense.

DissTroy:
Does he make good points about the polity? Yeah. I'd say he's passionate. Most people here are. That's a good thing. But why ruin them by making most of those points with tribal-infused narratives?

Because one cannot escape this!!!! You cannot be proactive in this election season and not observe the ethnocentrism being peddled by bad players.

I once gave an example of a significant achievement of mine on this board.

Prior to 2015 and 2019 election, dayo went on a rampage on tribalistic bigotry and he was given the free rein to do so. On the sports section, indeed he didn't display that outright bigotry rather he used his usual persuasive " mind bending logic" to support the ticket.

I'm sure that if I did not expose those nasty things dayo had said, he would attempt to use that "logic" here to push for the tinubu candidacy. And people who be bereft as to his reasons for doing so. Why would a smart person support this kind of candidate? We wouldn't have known better his inner reasons why.

Tinubu is simply not a candidate a neutral person would be attracted to, there has to be underlying factors at play.

iamoyindamola:
Shut the fvck up Mugu
Where did he throw a shot or insult in his post
Shameless unrepentant liar, always claiming the victim

This dog don start!! Again with the obsession. Oga why you no fit free me na? You don see me talk give you before?? Why can't you let go of this weird kink you have for me.

Take your own signature advise. If my post pisses you off, go and wee wee.

BlueRayDick:
Yeah He has a very strong conviction in his beliefs and opinions. If u don't agree with him, na to just tread with caution make u no collect wotowoto

But the thing is, I ALWAYS BACK UP MY CLAIMS.

If I'm making a point, I'm providing all facts why I think it's so.

This tribalism issue, I've always stated that tinubu is running a highly tribal charged campaign. You yourself disagreed with that, I pointed out what his own wife said. now you yourself are hearing those talking points from the man himself. Especially the xenophobic talking points. How he "accommodated so and so in his state".
You may not think much of that kind of statement, not until you realize that his Yoruba supporters will actually take those things personally and it can translate to actions. There are already some landlords who won't accept tenants of a certain tribes.

I always call out wrong when I see it.

nihilistjnr:
He won't listen because he's a diehard tribalist. He knows exactly what he's trying to do on this thread

Click on the link below and see the kind of person he is.

https://www.nairaland.com/7186774/epl-chatroom-all-discussions/1228#120038999

When one lof his supporters was exposed be posting Afonja statements, he brushed it aside with laughing emojis
There's a reason you've never seen him spam here with anti-Yoruba screenshots from the same threads he goes to cherry pick his screenshots from...and it's the same reason he referred to Chris Ngige as a Yoruba bastard.

Nihilistjnr, them use you swear for me??

You have started the same predictable pattern where you first throw shots and act as if it's the other person's fault..

Now you want make me and you start again.
For the umpteenth time. AVOID ME!!
YOU DON START AGAIN!!