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lordnicklaus:
Now this is a part that proved to be a problem to my comprehension. What I have as my only explanation is that God caused the earth to stop its rotational movement but the man who recorded this part of the text being primitive, thought the sun stood still.

Scholar8200:
Sorry, i meant were the Bible records that age like you said.

Note that Genesis starts with life on the Earth and the Earth being made suitable for Life, not the Creation of the Earth.

Scholar8200:
Cherry pick what from where? A person reads for knowledge when he reads the Bible not because he wants to know more about God and His ways.

Now this is cherry-picking. It further underscores the truth in that which you are arguing against. Were you hoping to find God while you focused more on the creature rather than the Creator?

Scholar8200:
Is that all? Were you actually seeking God or academic correctness? Besides, why was the Bible given - revelation of God, or satisfaction of finite man's limited intellect for all time?
It seems you approached the Bible for knowledge rather than for Life!

What had been the basis of this faith initially? If it was long and tedious then it seems you missed something and followed the wrong road!

Scholar8200:
Being spiritual would mean that you encountered God as the Bible reveals men encountered Him with the same results. Besides, kindly quote where that record is stated in the Bible.

4everGod:
First of all for the sun to stand still does not mean it actually did. The language used then was not that of today. The sun standing still simply meant 24 hrs daylight which we all know the sun stands for day while the moon for night and both were seen on that day so its assumed that the sun did stand still but God actually allowed the day to continue for 24hrs.

I do not think you researched the history of the bible because if you did truly then you would realise it is 98% accurate in terms of events and occurrences.

Praying to God to reveal Himself to you for what purpose? Jesus said blessed are they whom though have not seen yet believe....you do not expect to have God reveal Himself to you when you were already coming to Him with a heart of unbelief.

Your faith was already lost due to doubt so all you did was just to confirm your doubt so like I said you were already in doubt of God before seeking Him so that position was a faulty one.

KingEbukasBlog:
Because you understood evolution does not mean it actually happened - macro-evolution I mean . I was an aficionado of alien conspiracy theories and read stories about claimants of alien visitations , it does not mean such ever happened . Plus there are numerous Christian evolutionists , so we need more than what you have given as your reason bro .

Scholar8200:
How far had you gone as a theist before this time? (Your concluding statement suggests that you were not the spiritual type i.e theists with Christian, spiritual experiences.)

4everGod:
Pls tell us how you supposedly looked for God!

promise10:
You don't believe that God is real because you think there is no proof for that. But you believe that their is something called conscience, even without any physical proof.

Believing in the existence of conscience is just the same thing as in the case of God.

God is an imaginary being?? Really? But, the concept of CONSCIENCE is not an imaginary ideology? Man, just stop this and wake up!

You will say that if someone never told you about God, you will never has had the notion of God's existence. Whether it is true or not.

But, at the same time, if you were NEVER taught of anything like CONSCIENCE. You will NEVER HAVE HAD a sense of conscience. And that will definitely make you a no-difference from bush animals.

Judge your plain reasoning!

Scholar8200:
Now Johnnydon here said all atheists here were once theists.

Now, as an atheist, can you sincerely say that your journey to atheism started basically and solely as a result of intellectually discovery rather than an emotional/moral issue for which you later sought and got many intellectual resources to strengthen?

4everGod:
You are a fan yet you do not knowbwhat spinozism is yet you quoted it? Gosh

4everGod:
You don't get it do you? He does not have to believe in my God as that is an issue for another day....he believes in a god is what I told you. He is intelligent enough to know that randomness cannot bring order neither can something exist from nothing. Something has to cause something else to react even if it is called "dark energy". By the way "dark" means "UNKNOWN"

4everGod:
Just one more for you pls.


Core doctrine Edit

In Spinozism, the concept of a personal relationship with God comes from the position that one is a part of an infinite interdependent "organism." Spinoza argued that everything is a derivative of God, interconnected with all of existence. Although humans only experience thought and extension, what happens to one aspect of existence will still affect others. Thus, Spinozism teaches a form of determinism and ecology and supports this as a basis for morality.

4everGod:
Ignorance at its peak. Do you even know what Spinozism is?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinozism

4everGod:
You are so ignorant.

“…out of physics came new mathematics (the understanding of) super numbers, super topology, super differential geometry, all of a sudden we had supersymmetric theories coming out of physics that then revolutionized mathematics. So, the goal of physics we believe is to find an equation, one inch long, which will unify all the forces of nature and read the mind of God.”------ Dr. Michio kaku

Even your beloved Michio Kaku believes there is a God.

Hear the above quote yourself here;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jremlZvNDuk

4everGod:
Lol did you even watch that youtube video? If you did you would hear all the "maybe" "probably" "perhaps" " very likely" being used and the man said "if you calculate all the this and that without showing you these calculations.

Let me help you so you would not continually show off your ignorance.

Read the links below


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-energy-cosmological-constant/

http://www.universetoday.com/119363/how-do-we-know-dark-energy-exists/

Your video is a silly one.

4everGod:
Again you confirm my submission. You can only talk about creation with reference to this universe which you are physically a part of and not one your eternal spirit can perceive.
God is not part of this universe as He created it from outside it so you cannot use this created universe as a yardstick for measuring God to know if He was created or not.
This universe is you and that is all you know because until you unlock your eternal spirit you cannot perceive God same way just like in radio waves you cannot receive AM signals using FM.

winner01:
Great thread Op.
Sadly, atheists will always explain it away. How can anyone even ask "who created God".
Man is bound by time and space. And there is proof that those two began with the beginning of the universe. So How does one ever try to probe what was in existence before the big bang. i.e before time and space

We havent even probed successfully how we came into existence and some deluded ones feel they can probe how God came into existence.

Some of them know the world was not created by nothing, but admitting this fact will make them admit the existence of a Creator.
Its not actually about reasoning, its more about parroting arguments heard from other atheists.

Little wonder the Bible said, God gave them over to a strong delusion.
lol.

Happy sunday oP.

IRIEBOY:
sure I do that always but she stopped me from doing it cause her doctor said it causes her infection ,that there may be germs on my fingers...

4everGod:
God exisits outside our physical universe and cannot be a part of our created universe neither was He created along with our Universe. If perhaps something created Him as you speculate then you cannot prove that to be true simply because He was not a creation of our universe and realm. He existed outside this realm so that is all we know and see.

shadeyinka:
I guess it is easy for some Atheists to dismiss the concept of soul without really critically examining it. I see it like looking at a computer from a strict hardware perspective. But we know that the life of a computer (soul) is the Software of which we have the operating system and application packages.

herbie27:
@Antina, for my kind of person, i loved being around guys, cos they're 100% sincere in friendship, and fun to be around, i kind of build strong friendship around guys than my fellow girls, because of our wahala, i hate back bitting, and girls are fond of doing that.

If i make a guy my friend, nothing will make me to start developing feelings for such guys, and i tend to be very open with them, the first one i felt for him, wen i said i wasn't interested, he even made the sister to talk to me. and then my second encounter, hmm!.

Toyolad:
The event occurred sometime last week when two motorcyclists were engaging in serious physical battle and one of them left the scene for a corner to insert a ring into his middle finger, before anyone could hold him back, he had hit the other motorcyclist with the hand where the ring was..consequently, the hit motorcyclist fell down flat immediately,started vomiting blood and later became unconscious and was rushed off the scene.

I don't know if he survived but i sure know the cause of his predicament!

My question then is, was that coincidental or it was some extraterrestrial power at work?...Additionally,how can we explain African belief in voodoo and how it has been working from time immemorial or can anyone provide a scientific explanation?

johnydon22:
I wouldn't even though i recognize it is a tough choice for her to make.

Even as a fully functional human you still have tails only seating on it, My argument is based on the feotus being a functional system of cells, an off spring of humans and at that i reserve a right for them to live.

I do agree this to be a delicate matter and it's understandable if the mother chooses to abort the feotus at this juncture being a result of a forceful act, but i also do believe that every baby deserves as much chance to live like every other.

She still has a future even the baby you may say different from the original plan but we all know the eventuality of achieving a desired goal is still under the confines of chance.

This is my philosophy, this is my belief - thus future is uncertain, that you'd live tomorrow is still even under heavy chance, so i believe in living in the moment which is directly why i ask for patience and perserverence on the part of such 'ill fated unready mothers".

something beautiful may yet come from it, that baby may still be the beacon that lights her future.

Nature kills us everyday, why then do we complain when a human kills another - because this time a mind is involved, a decision was taken.

So you would not react same way when a land slide occurs and a boulder smashes someone to death AND when a boulder was pushed deliberately by someone else to smash another to death.

I do believe she has every right to and by all means do - my sentiments are from the direct tilt of my emotional moral principles.

Helping others to survive as long as it does not directly endanger your own life

shadeyinka:
There is a universal rule we must apply here..and that is the right to life.

So, who is alive?

Is being alive synonymous to being able to do what adults do? Even though a day old child cannot speak, run, fight...etc. He is regarded as a human being with rights.

A friend of mine was booked to do a caesarian op for her pregnancy because of some complications well before her EDD. When can we say that the foetus taken out is a human being? Must a baby be born before it is regarded as human?

When does a foetus develop pain receptors? If a foetus doesn't have a developed mouth to scream and muscles to squirm would that be enough evidence to conclude that it is not living?

When a man is in coma but he can still breath, don't we still consider him as living and human? Spontaneous abortions do take place just as spontaneous death in grown ups?

So, when really does a foetus transit from a collection of cells to human?

Why is murder evil and immoral? Because it Denys forcefully the potential of an individual. To this end, ABORTION is murder.

Abortion may be permitted if the life of the mother is at stake...other than that, the potential of that human being we call foetus is at stake.

peacesamuel94:
From my own point of view I believe, that the bible is a book that defies logic, and the existence of God can never be proven by logic( Isaiah 55 vs 9).

But for the fact that God's existence cannot be logically proven does not mean that that he does not exist, I believe it is shallow mindedness to assert that God does not exist simply because you can't prove it logically

Man thinks in a box called logic. And God operates in a manner higher than that box which when man cannot understand he terms it foolishness (1st Corinthians 1vs 25),When someone tries to understand Calculus using his knowledge in primary school mathematics, such a person's effort will surely end in futility. thats exactly what happens when you read the Bible using canal knowledge.

I will summarize by saying that God is a spirit and if you must worship you do it in spirit and in truth, The Bible is not logical, even the first sentence of the Bible makes understand that fact. But someone rightly said this and I believe him "FAITH DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IT MAKES MIRACLES. STAY BLESSED!