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KingEbukasBlog:
@emboldened text . How does this preclude the existence of a conscious creator

This is a quintessential argumentum ad ignorantiam - where the atheists insist God does not exist because of a supposed lack of contrary evidence .

1. There is no evidence for all the Gods said to be creators of the universe

2. There is no evidence supporting a conscious creator who created the universe.

Bring me evidence that contradicts the two statements above and i would be a believer tomorrow

naijadeyhia:
So you agree with the OP on purpose and intelligence behind purpose?

For the painting, Yes...

winner01:
There is a clear difference between suspension and lack my brother.
Dont attempt to modify foolishness.

I believe you are the one who is mistaking on many atheists' position.

A person who says he knows there is a God is claiming infinite knowledge.
A person who says he knows there is no God is also claiming infinite knowledge.

Many atheists i know, say there is no evidence for all the Gods put forward in all of human history and so they cannot believe in such Gods.

That is why we keep asking for evidence, and until reasonable evidence is provided, we suspend all beliefs indefinitely...

naijadeyhia:
Show me where i insulted you? I only asked that you read the OP again and see that its all about Atheism and not evolution and even now you say you have read it again and are now saying it has nothing to do with Atheism..

Ok since you agree its not about Evolution and even when told what its about you still say its not about Atheism..oya tell us what you think the thread is all about.

Whatever you say we will follow

I obviously cant infer the purpose of the op, i only seem to notice that it doesnt logically relates to Atheism.

If i see a paint, i cant say it appeared there over millions of years, Fine, Now how does that leads or relate to "I have no evidence for a deity, so i suspend all beliefs in it"

ValentineMary:
What if ur ability to doubt was programmed by an extra terrestrial intelligent life to make ur thoughts seem real?
What if ur thoughts are just micro chips connected to a main frame which is a power source and once our chip burns out, we die?
Ur ability to doubt does not grantee ur existence.

Because you are a virtual thinking program in an extra dimensional supercomputer doesnt mean you are not real, infact that is obviously the "Real" you and every other thing you experienced was just simulated to make you feel in a physical world, But as long as you are in that computer making those thoughts, you are REAL.

naijadeyhia:
I suggest you "intelligently" and honestly read the OP again and the subsequent comments excluding yours then maybe you would realize that the topic is about Atheism and not Evolution...... Please try not to derail this gorgeous thread

When you start throwing insults the moment you have been shown to err shows your insecured attitude to knowledge...

I first asked a simple question which was

donnffd:
is this an attack on evolution?
If it is, then all i can say is that NOONE CLAIMS EVOLUTION IS BY RANDOM CHANCE, and anyone who does, doesnt know what evolution is all about...

You' all replied No, i said Ok, then what is it about? because it sure aint about Atheism

donnffd:
Ok
Then what exactly are you attacking?, because if you are using a painting that was intelligently design, i dont see how that equates to atheism which is just the rejection of a belief in a deity. The outside universe is pretty much random and chaotic, and the only place design pops up is on Life which every educated person now knows wasnt designed but evolved, so i really ddnt get the point of the thread.

A simple conversation, i really dont see why you are worked up for it...abi na hatred?

Joshuabase:
It still doesn't answer vino's Paradox.

I think your definition of real should be clarified, because when something is programmed doesnt automatically makes it unreal...

naijadeyhia:
You have just been told that this is not an attack and you still say it is?

What are you saying?, I acknowledged it is not about evolution and asked what it was about because the argument of intelligent design mostly pops up when we are refering to life...

donnffd:
Ok
Then what exactly are you attacking?, because if you are using a painting that was intelligently design, i dont see how that equates to atheism which is just the rejection of a belief in a deity. The outside universe is pretty much random and chaotic, and the only place design pops up is on Life which every educated person now knows wasnt designed but evolved, so i really ddnt get the point of the thread.

Like seriously, what exactly dont you understand from this post?

naijadeyhia:
This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution so chill

winner01:
Its not an attack on evolution.

Ok

Then what exactly are you attacking?, because if you are using a painting that was intelligently design, i dont see how that equates to atheism which is just the rejection of a belief in a deity. The outside universe is pretty much random and chaotic, and the only place design pops up is on Life which every educated person now knows wasnt designed but evolved, so i really ddnt get the point of the thread.

Genesis2000:
The person who has had the largest impact on culture, society and history whether positive or negative is none other person but Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem, Palestine. He was born to Mary, she was found with the child of the Holy Ghost. (Matthew1; 18.) he was both man and God. John 20;28. According to the bible. He is God alone. Debt; 6;4.

2000 years and we were still talking about him. It is good to be talked and listen about someone great, no doubt he was and he is if not the most influential man on the face of the earth even in heaven, because the engels also talk about him.

Billions claim he is their lord and savour.
He is a Just prophet and a messenger in Islam.

I would suggest you learn more about him and had a good influence of him instead of hating wrong or false influence. Thank you.

Do you know the second most influential man of all time?

Sir Isaac Newton

Do you know him?, have you learnt anything about him? or do you know what he did for humanity?

If its a compulsion to learn about influential figures, i hope you would be steady with the rest of the list...

is this an attack on evolution?

If it is, then all i can say is that NOONE CLAIMS EVOLUTION IS BY RANDOM CHANCE, and anyone who does, doesnt know what evolution is all about...

Joshuabase:
The problem with Renée's argument is vino. You ask how? According to Renée the only thing you can guarantee is real, is your mind, you can't guarantee that your body is real. You can't guarantee that the phone you're reading this on is real. You only know your mind is real. Because you have the ability to think.

But what if you are one of the holograms in vino's universe*? "I think therefore I am" fails here. Because vino's universe* would have programmed the holograms to believe they are real or else the system breaks down so if you were one if the holograms, you'd believe that you were real even though you aren't. Now how do you know your consciousness isn't faux? Built by the universe for vino?

This is vino's Paradox.

Rene's Argument was not that you are real because you can think, his argument was that if you doubt everything including yourself, you cant doubt the fact that you are doubting, and if there are doubts, then there must be a doubter. Thereby proving you must be a thinker that is real even if everyother thing is not...

winner01:
Yawns!!!
I dont have your time right now.

I believe when the "aliens" are found, they will point us to the answer. If the answer is "God", would you admit your life-long stupidity?

Dude, you are funny...You spend all your time arguing that atheism is illogical, foolish and stupid, you question them and when they explain, you ridicule them but when asked simple questions about your own beliefs and how it relates to the universe, you reply like this?

Pidggin:
Aliens can't be made in God's image, the Bible talks of cosmic entities but doesn't liken then to God in any way.

Thanks for actually attempting the question.

So why cant they be made in God's image? and do you infer that we are the only ones who were made in God's image?

winner01:
Its likely that intelligent aliens exist, but impossible that an Intelligent Supreme Being created life on earth

Life just started from nothing even though it negates every fact of science, right

i get ur dishonesty.

We are not arguing about whether life started from nothing or was created by an intelligent supreme being. Infact the questions are presupposing your religion is correct and just asking simple and plain questions that would obviously be inevitable when we do infact detect those signals.

If your God is true, and aliens are really out there, then you cant run from those questions because you would also have to explain that...

Who are these "we" in post?

Should money be spent on uncertainties while ignoring the certainties of millions of death from hunger and poverty?
Thats a redline!

You talk about not spending money on this feat as though as if it was some waste of money.

First of all, the money SETI receives is extremely small compared to other budgets, and if not because of the private sector most recently Yuri muller who invested 100 million dollars in the breakthrough listen project, SETI would still be getting peanuts compared to other aspects of life.

Also, The search would help us answer that age-long question of whether we are alone in the universe?.

Nothing, but When some pastors buys jets, it suddenly has everything to do with hungry people right?
The material world is your box, we think out of such little box. Thats how most of the fields of science we have today were founded.

Thank goodness, you said it yourself, SETI uses the small money they get to try to answer questions that has plagued man since he could gaze at the stars, while your pastors use the money to buy jets and build mansions.

I really dont know how you can even begin to compare!

Know the answer, wtf!!!
I should give you answers on what you think might happen?
Why not tell me what will happen to you when you die and find out that you become an inhabitant of pluto.

see how it sounds?

Are you trying to say that when we do find alien life, people wont ask the questions i asked in the op?

Lol.
Calm your nerves and exist till then.

This is more of a lets cross the bridge when we get there scenerio, thus confirming what i have said all along, you dont know and you are waiting for science to progress so that you can also revise your understanding of your religion.

hahn:
It is just a thought test

The fact he cannot see that shows how badly he doesnt want it to be true...

Everyone of them has avoided the question by invalidating it...

BloodOnMyHands:
You're one funny person. You want an answer on 'if'

If we find alien life in other galaxies? The Bible is an exhaustive account of here and the otherworld. You don't "if", you stfu until you're certain.

You want someone debating your lame imagination of wishful assumptions. What if "if" never comes?

You're a tiro

I would appreciate some civility please, thanks.

If you dont know the answer, then you can as well just say so or keep shut.

I really dont understand the defense you guys are putting up for these o, it shows how insecured you are in your own beliefs!

winner01:
If you have faith that there might be aliens which we have never seen, is it safe to say you have blind faith?
Is it also safe to say atheists have faith?

Saying it is very likely that intelligent aliens exist is not having faith but a calculated guess given the fact we have millions and millions of planets alone in our galaxy that is able to sustain life.

Of course, im aware of the billions of dollars spent on searching for extraterrestial life in the galaxies.
I thoughts atheists were humanists, pro-life and various monikers they give themselves. Why not spend such billions of dollars on eradicating poverty and helping fellow humans.
Remember, all you have is here and now, do you really want to help people within your short time on earth or do you just want to keep repeating the rhymes of atheist high priests?
If atheists are who they say they are, they will try to protest against searching for extralife with billions of dollars while millions of their brothers and sisters are dying daily in poverty.
God who created the universe can create anything.
If we find extraterrestial life which I seriously doubt, we wont need to ask questions, they will lead us to answers.

I guess we should also stop funding the large hadron collider also and many other researches that would further our knowledge about the universe in which we live in.

This is why we say religion has a way of caging the mind and not allowing its proponents think outside their own sphere. What does funding the search of extraterrestrial life has to do with preventing children from eating?

You are chasing shadows with such questions, the same thing you accuse christians of doing.

Are you saying you dont know the answers to the question or are you purposely avoiding it because you know if we do infact discover those signals, it would undermine your beliefs?

As Johnydon22 would say, why not focus on the here and now? Why not focus on helping millions of dying people rather than pouring millions of dollars into uncertainty.

Atheists dont really question everything, do they?
They only question religion.

I dont know when you became an expert on what johnydon22 would say and what he would not say. Moreover, Searching for life outside earth doesnt mean we cant also help dying people, why not remove money from funding wars and weapons and use it to help people rather than attacking the search for extraterrestrial life which would add to our scientifical repository.

Just admit that if we do find those signals, your beliefs are heading for the rocks!...

BloodOnMyHands:
[s] You're seeking to build a premise on hypothesis? You want Christians to give you an answer.... a definite answer on facts scientists still find inconclusive?

Build a premise?, are you kidding me?...i only asked some questions that would come up in the event we discover intelligent extraterrestrial life. You refusal to accept it as a valid question portrays you lack of confidence and fear.

No alien myth proven yet and you want Christians to answer for them physically and metaphysically?

It seems you did not read the piece, i asked in the event we find an intelligent signal which SETI is right now looking for, what would be the answers of these questions?

Stop dodging and simply quench my curiosity

Noone can deny the vastness of the galaxy and universe as a whole. There are about One trillion planets in our galaxy alone and even if a small fraction has life, it would be in the millions, so it is safe to say it is inevitable to have intelligent life on some of these worlds.

With SETI(search for extraterrestrial intelligence) gaining more funds and better technology to scan the skies for intelligent signals.

I want to ask you guys, in the event we do discover an intelligent signal from an alien world!

- would these beings also be creatures of God?
- would they look like us hence like God?
- would they also need a saviour?
- would we see them in heaven after we die?
- would the sin that applies to us, also apply to them?
- would they be created from dust like we were?
- would jesus also go to that planet and die for their sins?

I am just curious...

The hope of something better after all the hardship here on earth...

felixomor:
Nobody attributed "everything to voodoo"

Another escape gone wrong.

Trying to gently slip away from denying the existence.

the "existence of something" is different from "attributing everything to that thing."
They are not the same.

I sincerely cant imagine how we can live in a world where we have scientists working at the "Large Hadron Collider" in Geneva, Switzerland and simultaneously have young Nigerians(the supposed future of the country) believing in the existence of "African Voodoo"...

it beats me, truly... the backwardness of this continent is giving me headache...

felixomor:
"They are not real, they are tricks"
That would av also been ur response and escape route, had anybody shown u a video of voodoo.
Earlier u were clearly requesting for videos from camera phone, now u say u just wanted to "start there"!
Yeah ryt.
If i may ask if u "started with" videos, please where will u have "ended"?
The problem with many of ur kind is "trust".
You have the inner belief that every person is a liar, thats why u request for videos and then when somebody exposes ur weak rationale, u try to escape as u r seen doing above.
Its obvious from ur statement that no video even HD resolution would convince u because u have "trust" problem, sorry to say.

@bolded,You are really funny, exactly which rationale did you try to expose? and how exactly am i escaping?...

You know, if my best friend came tomorrow and told me he slept with Jennifer lawrence, i still would ask for evidence because some claims are not worth trusting...

Look, if everyone in history were like you and couldnt explain what they saw or heard about and just attributed it to "voodoo" or "the supernatural", we most certainly wont have science and technology today. So, a word of advice, get up your ass, learn, read and try to make sense of your world, instead of lazing around and attributing things you dont understand to "African VooDoo".

felixomor:
Nobody said u r young?
I simply questioned ur age.
U even mentioned video, if u really were in this world, u should know that magic on video is all over youtube,
Moreover it makes us question ur age more when ur yardstick for verifying reality is video.
Anybody can make videos. People do it for a living.
Or do u want to tell me u have video evidence for everything u read in ur science textbook?

I see you just want to argue...

First, I ddnt say showing me a video would prove whatever you claimed, i only said "we can start there"...(read well before you type)

Secondly, You have closed it with your own mouth or should i say hands, so you know they are magic videos everywhere on the internet but they are not real, just magic tricks but somehow you still believe that all you hear about the so-called "African voodoo" is real?

does that sound logical to you?

felixomor:
Dont be kidding, are u really telling us u r that young?
That u want to doubt the existence of african voodoo?
Sorry to say, even europeans will laugh at u.
If u r really serious.

There is an irritating attitude going on this site, and i find it childish, illogical and juvenile. So just because i dont have your viewpoint, you accuse me of being young?, is that it?, how exactly do they correlate?...smh.

Moreover, you are the one who would be laughed at especially if you went to the developed world with such primitive thinking and ideology. You want to tell me that europeans would clap for you when you tell them that you have a voodoo power that would make you rich without working for it...Dude, read yourself!

And Finally, if you so much believe this things to be real, its not hard, just produce one single video of it happening and then we can start there.

You cant expect Intelligent Educated people who live in a world where we use electromagnetic waves to communicate, we can predict with amazing accuracy the movements of all the planetary bodies in our solar system, we have landed rovers on mars and many asteroids, we have splited the atom, we have mapped the universe and seen its baby glow, built supercomputers and rockets, mapped the human genome and many other living things, genetically engineered many living things, and so many more breakthroughs in science and technology to just believe that some supernatural power exists because you said so.

Wake up and come back to the real world.

adjoviomole:
This proves nothing. If u stay in ebutemetta wer der is constant area boys fight. U will know dat charm truly exist. Let me not say more than that. I am just sorry for yall.

With all the camera phones rampant like water, there hasnt been one single video of the charm working or a supernatural event occuring, Na by mouth person they believe that kind thing?

adjoviomole:
Go tru the thread again. If u say its evolution, then evolution must have a mind of its own, evolution must be a supreme being.

I smell ignorance in the air...before you counter everything about Evolution, first learn about it so that at least you would sound intelligent when opposing it...

The classical argument from design fallacy...

https://www.nairaland.com/3142087/god-literally-stupid-designer

delishpot:
Humans would never unite even without religion. It was the need to dominate and control that makes people use religion to cover their asses in the first place. If there was no religion, humans would still look for a way to dominate, conquer and destroy others for their own selfish gain. If you say no to religion, then they would use skin color, if you say no to racism, they would use disability or IQ and so on.
Religion is just a means to an end for many people. Not as if they care too much about the religion they are using as a shield or means to get their heart desires.

You are absolutely correct, but Religion tromps every other idealogy because it promises that very thing all humans longs for but cant get, Immortality. That makes it a very very powerful tool.

orisa37:
He was insane and actually brainless.

The man who revolutionized physics and our understanding of the universe was insane and brainless!...

You guys are funny sha...

Eagerly waiting for tomorrow...!

*chews popcorn* and *sips pepsi*