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Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 5:51pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: This says nothing about your claim that matter has always existed. Space-time, matter and energy is before the big bang is not science, so when you say that matter has always existed, its also not science. |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 5:26pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: It appears to me that you don't fully understand what was being discussed in the link you provided. It is about what happened moments after the big bang that was being talked about. Once again, i will ask you to provide me a source to your claim that matter has always existed |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 5:10pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: Nobody is calling the big bang an explosion in the vernacular sense of stuff exploding, I hope that is not the sense you got from my post. |
Religion / Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 5:05pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: I don't think i fully get your question. Can you rephrase it please? |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 4:57pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: So long my friend, I have to go now. Search through google if you have the time for articles of whether matter has always existed. Meanwhile you can have a look at this article. https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/what-was-before-the-big-bang-everything-you-need-to-know/ |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 4:52pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: Source for the claim that matter has always existed please? |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 4:48pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: The law of conservation of matter and energy does not apply before the big bang, in fact nothing does. That is why all your claims about before the big bang are just meaningless and contradictory. |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 4:41pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: Where did you get that matter has always existed from? Your source please. |
Religion / Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 4:39pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: Perhaps the comment below made by someone in a similar debate might be of help to you I think when Hawking and other physicists say "nothing", they don't mean the same "nothing" that the rest of us think of, which is really nothing. Instead, I think their "nothing" still contains the laws of quantum physics which, if I understand it, allow something to appear via a quantum fluctuation. That distinction got a lot Krauss into trouble when he claimed in his recent book that they had solved the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?". |
Religion / Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 4:26pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: Why can there be no nothing? |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 4:23pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: Here is where we have a disagreement. Time as we know it started with the big bang, that is why it is scientifically meaningless to talk about time, space, energy and matter before the big bang. So, to say those things have always existed before the big bang shows that you have a flawed understanding of what the big bang is and how is used to explain the standard model of cosmology. Time zero of the universe is the big bang, what was there or not there before it is anyone's guess. Could it be that the infinitesimally small and infinitely dense primordial atom came into existence by some science we don't understand at the moment of the big bang? Or was it created and infused with all the parameters necessary for our universe to exist? These are question that science will never be able to give answers to other than speculations. But to say that These thing have always existed is not supported by science. If you think it is, I would like to see your source. |
Religion / Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 3:46pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: I have told you my view before in the other thread of yours. There I stated that the simplest state is one of Nothingness, by that i mean absolute nothing, no energy, no space, no time, no matter, no laws, no information, no existence period. The fact that there is something rather than nothing, this to me implies a creator. |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 3:32pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: you should point out the contradiction as i do yours, that way we can continue to have a healthy and respectful debate. |
Religion / Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 3:30pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: I don't understand your question at all, but if you asking if its my goal to score cheap points against you, then the answer is no. I am genuinely interested in making you see things you might have overlooked in your worldview. |
Religion / Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 3:15pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: You said matter plus antimatter equals nothing. How is that the same thing with what i said? |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 3:11pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: Nobody knows what existed before the big bang, or if indeed anything existed at all. In fact the term before the big bang is scientifically meaningless, its open to all kind of speculation. The law of the conservation of mass and energy does not mean that the universe has always existed, rather it means that all that exist today was present in some form at the initial state of the universe and nothing about whether the initial state was created |
Religion / Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 2:14pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: This is just wrong science my friend. Matter + Antimatter will annihilate each other leaving zero mass plus lots of energy equal to the sum of their masses multiplied by the square of the velocity of light. This way, matter/antimatter and energy is conserved. You will be left with energy and not nothingness. |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 2:01pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:What don't I get? Contrary to your claim that the universe is eternal, I have quoted several source that said the universe is of a finite age. So, what don't I get? |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 1:53pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: The universe has a finite past and Wikipedia agrees with me as you can see from the quote below Detailed measurements of the expansion rate of the universe place the Big Bang singularity at around 13.8 billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe.[6]The general scientific consensus is that any conjecture as to what might have been before the singularity, or how it came to be will never be based on science. |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 1:21pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: You are just playing with words here. Many physicist commonly use the phrase birth of the universe, or beginning of the universe in the context in which i used it. Here is an excerpt from phys.org How was our Universe created? How did it come to be the seemingly infinite place we know of today? And what will become of it, ages from now? These are the questions that have been puzzling philosophers and scholars since the beginning the time, and led to some pretty wild and interesting theories. Today, the consensus among scientists, astronomers and cosmologists is that the Universe as we know it was created in a massive explosion that not only created the majority of matter, but the physical laws that govern our ever-expanding cosmos. As to my other question; why is there something rather than nothing? |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 12:45pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: But matter had its beginning some moments after the birth of the universe or the big bang according the standard model of cosmology. The natural order of things is to remain in the simplest state unless acted upon by something external. Absolute nothing is the simplest state, it requires no laws and no finely tuned parameters to exist and to remain stable. So, if there ever was absolutely nothing, there would still be nothing, and nothing could ever exist, because there would be nothing to cause it. Unless of course, there is a first cause, which by definition will be an eternal and intelligent entity i call God. |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 12:10pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: Please tell me how you know that the universe is eternal, that it had no beginning. |
Religion / Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 11:15am On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: God is eternal, meaning that He exist and has always existed without a beginning. He is unlike any other thing or being, His existence is infinite and unbounded by time. Your statement while true for anything with a beginning clearly does not apply to God whose existence has no starting point. |
Romance / Re: The Kind Of A Woman Every Man Dreams Of (Picture) by dorox(m): 6:25pm On Sep 15, 2021 |
I and my wife operate a joint account, so the talk of "your salary my salary" does not exist in our home. 1 Like |
Crime / Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by dorox(m): 2:43pm On Sep 14, 2021 |
Ibkhaleel001: That quote was referring to the children of Israel. |
Religion / Re: Many Have Not Known Smiles Since This Evil Govt Came To Power - BISHOP OYEDEPO I by dorox(m): 12:19pm On Aug 30, 2021 |
Sibrah: Oyedepo's curse is useless, it has never worked on boko haram and iswap. I don't see it working now. |
Religion / Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by dorox(m): 5:18pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
sagenaija: The title “the Alpha and the Omega” applies to Jehovah, stressing that there was no almighty God before him and that there will be none after him. He is “the beginning and the end.” (Rev. 21:6; 22:13) Although Jehovah is referred to as “the first and the last” at Revelation 22:13, in that there is none before or after him, the context in the first chapter of Revelation shows that the title “the First and the Last” there applies to Jesus Christ. He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life and the last one to be so resurrected by Jehovah personally.—Col. 1:18. You can see that Jesus made the statement in the context of his resurrection to Immortal life. |
Religion / Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by dorox(m): 9:43pm On Aug 13, 2021 |
shadeyinka: Your post is without context, it doesn't address any of the points i raised in response to your original argument. Could you elaborate please? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by dorox(m): 7:38pm On Aug 13, 2021 |
shadeyinka: It is true that Jesus Christ has been given all authority by God in heaven and on earth (Mt 28:18), but this was only after his resurrection. The bible tells us in Php 2:8-11 that because Jesus humbled himself before God and was obedient to the point of death, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow. Yes, Jesus in his prehuman existence in heaven was a powerful being, but the scriptures made it very clear that the resurrected Jesus is even more powerful than his prehuman self because of his obedience to God even unto death. Angel Michael at the time of Moses had not been given the authority by God to bring judgement to the devil, not that he did not have the power to do so. If you compare Da 12:1 with Rev 12:7 you will see that angel Michael towards the end time, that is the time of the resurrected Jesus seems to be acting in authority. Remember, even Jesus as human allowed himself to be killed by mere mortal men. Does that mean that the human Jesus is not the same person as the resurrected Jesus that has been given the authority to judge the same mortal men? |
Religion / Re: This Is The Closest Model So Far To The Biblical Earth-heaven Model by dorox(m): 10:27am On Jun 23, 2021 |
Is this a joke? |
Crime / Spanish Man Jailed For Killing And Eating His Mother by dorox(m): 8:58pm On Jun 16, 2021 |
A Spanish man has been sentenced to 15 years in prison after killing his mother and eating her remains. Alberto Sánchez Gómez, 28, was arrested in 2019 after police found body parts around his mother's home - some in plastic containers. The court rejected Sánchez's arguments that he was experiencing a psychotic episode at the time of the killing. He will now serve 15 years for murder and a further five months for the desecration of a corpse. He has also been ordered to pay his brother €60,000 ($73,000, £52,000) in compensation. Police arrived at the home in eastern Madrid in February 2019 after a friend raised concerns about the welfare of María Soledad Gómez, who was in her 60s. During the trial, the court heard that Sánchez, then aged 26, had strangled his mother during a dispute. He then dismembered and ate parts of her body over the following two weeks, feeding some to his dog. Spanish media say he had been known to police because of violence against his mother and that he had breached a restraining order at the time of his arrest. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57487868 |
Religion / Re: The Real TB Joshua by dorox(m): 12:15pm On Jun 13, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: I see that you are a Jehovah's Witness, that is what i am also |
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