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 Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by DrummaBoy(m): 10:06pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
Candour: My dear, not all dissenting views translate to trolling. Ihedinobi was here and made dissenting but valid contributions. I don't consider him a troll. You however are the definition of a troll. All you've been doing since the start of the thread is throw snide remarks here and there without saying anything worthwhile all in a bid to push the discussants off course. Image123: Your friends considered Ihedinobi a troll. Most NL posters define a troll as anyone who disagrees with the OP so i don't mind the cliche. They were initially patronizing him with "sir, sir, sir" until they discovered that he wasn't for sale. Here are some.Definition of a: TROLL verb intransitive internet slang In an online community or discussion, to attempt to lure others into combative argument for purposes of personal entertainment and/or gratuitous disruption. transitive internet slang By extension, to incite anger (outside of an internet context); to provoke, harass or annoy. Example: Image123: Gnoni went on and on about Ihedinobi being ambiguous, in other words meaning he's a troll. Image123: Another post directed at Ihedinobi calling him a troll. Image123: Different attacks on Ihedinobi. Image123: This was in agreement to the consensus, Ihedinobi was not needed here by the OP and friends. Image123: Drumb also indicated that he has discontinued conversation with Ihe around this time. He was diplomatically boxed out. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 5:53pm On Aug 01, 2014*. Modified: 6:46pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
[size=20pt]UPDATE ON THE 2014 GRACE CONVENTION: Please note the following guidelines[/size] 1. Nominations for speakers/teachers/presenters shall be concluded by 8.00pm tomorrow, Saturday, Nigerian time. We urge as many who have not sent in their nominations to do so before the dead line. 2. The first six nominations, along with the other three, shall be the presenters at the convention. They are however going to be given 48 hours from the close of nominations to accept their nominations. 3. If after 48 hours some do not accept the nomination formerly on this thread, their positions shall be open to those who were nominated but did not make the first nine. The first few people, from the pool of nominees, who indicate interest to present shall be accepted as presenters for the convention to replace those who did not accept their nomination in the earlier 9. 4. The topics for the convention are still being worked on. Presenters shall be given enough time to study the topics and choose which one they are most conversant with. Following the first come first serve principle, presenters will choose which topics they wish to present. 5. Other guidelines shall be relayed as we proceed if it is necessary. Guidelines were made with the full consent of Goshen360 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 5:33pm On Aug 01, 2014*. Modified: 10:36pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
[size=20pt]UPDATE ON THE CONVENTION: In Regards Nominations[/size] Three individuals have been selected prior to the start of nominations. They are: 1. Yooguyz 2. Ihedinobi2 3. MrAnony1 We are left with six more people to add to this list to make up 9 individuals for the convention. The following are the nominees so far with the number of nominations: PastorOluT ---- 7 Alwaystrue ---- 5 BabaGnoni ---- 3 ichuka --------- 2 MarkMiwerds--- 2 Italo ----------- 2 striktlymi ------- 1 Joagbaje -------- 1 truthislight -------- 1 ubenedictus ------- 1 Reyginius --------- 1 alexleo ----------- 1 nlmediator -------- 1 Ayoku777 --------- 1 Syncan ------------ 1 shdemidemi -------- 1 Nominations are still welcome from the list below DrummaBoy: striktlymi |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by DrummaBoy(m): 9:21pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Image123: The likes of Goshen, Drumb, Candor etc avoided that my long post up there like a plague. Before that, they were all over me like flies until i took some time and space to talk. They'll come in future some pages away or some other thread asking what they should learn here and keep to memory, and blame me for not being interested in the charade. So predictable they leave no room for the precious gift of prophecy.I speak for myself here, only. I will not respond to any post by you on the subject of "tithes" ever again on this forum. You may come to whatever conclusion you wish on this statement and on the subject of discussion. I consider you incorrigible and a deceiver. I pray you find grace to repent of your ways; only then would I consider discussing tithes with you on nairaland. Farewell, Imag. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 9:12pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Joshthefirst: I nominate alwaystrueYou are entitled to nominating two people. You may add one more person if you wish. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 7:45pm On Jul 31, 2014*. Modified: 10:37pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
[size=20pt]UPDATE ON THE CONVENTION: In Regards Nominations[/size] Three individuals have been selected prior to the start of nominations. They are: 1. Yooguyz 2. Ihedinobi2 3. MrAnony1 We are left with six more people to add to this list to make up 9 individuals for the convention. The following are the nominees so far with the number of nominations: PastorOluT ---- 7 Alwaystrue ---- 4 BabaGnoni ---- 3 ichuka --------- 2 MarkMiwerds--- 2 Italo ----------- 2 striktlymi ------- 1 Joagbaje -------- 1 truthislight -------- 1 ubenedictus ------- 1 Reyginius --------- 1 alexleo ----------- 1 nlmediator -------- 1 Ayoku777 --------- 1 Syncan ------------ 1 shdemidemi -------- 1 Nominations are still welcome from the list below DrummaBoy: striktlymi |
| Christianity Etc › Re: House On The Rock Lagosbranch Bans The Use Of Mini Skirts & Heels Tochurch by DrummaBoy(m): 10:17am On Jul 31, 2014*. Modified: 10:39am On Jul 31, 2014 |
I have always argued that much of what plays out as Pentecostal church in Nigeria finds expression either as a holiness movement, a prosperity movement or a terrible mix of the two. One thing is however common to all of them and that is the legalism I discussed earlier. This legalism is either subtle or obvious. What Paul Adefarsin is doing in the OP is subtle legalism. It seem to me that the last lesson preachers learn in their preaching career, if they ever learn it, is that they are not God; neither has God made them police over his flock. Do we realize that Jesus spent only three and a half years instructing the apostles? Do we understand that they all carried out successful ministries on an average of at least 40 years after the Master left? Do we think Christ was bothered whether they will fail in ministry? What do we understand God was counting on? If you say the Holy Spirit, you are correct. The question now is: has the Spirit left? The Spirit that possessed the apostles and made them turn the world upside down is still in believers today. Has he stopped working? Aha! There lies the challenge. Christians are no longer taught to know and follow the Spirit. Rule books, Pastor's hegemony and subtle legalism has taken over the job of the Spirit. What does Adefarasi teach his congregation that make non regenerates comfortable under his ministration? Is it a gospel of money, success, breakthrough, and prosperity? What is it in that gospel that can convict a sinner and make them commit their lives to Christ, shun sin, know the Spirit and hear him instruct them in the path of righteousness and holiness, even without a minister breathing down their necks? Is it not because his preaching lack the power of the Spirit to convict to righteousness and holy living that he must now augment with rules and regulations? The point is not what the ladies are wearing. Has Adefarasi himself observed his own dressing recently? ...smh. The point is Who are they all wearing as a congregation? If it is Baal, then we will have the shenanigans we are seeing in the OP. If it is Christ the whole lamentation by the minister in the OP will not be needed. May God grant maturity to the church in Nigeria. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: House On The Rock Lagosbranch Bans The Use Of Mini Skirts & Heels Tochurch by DrummaBoy(m): 9:54am On Jul 31, 2014 |
I present this write up here to add to the discussion in a general context. I shall return to look at the subject in a specific manner: DrummaBoy: A SUBTLE LEGALISM |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 6:15am On Jul 31, 2014 |
InesQor: @DrummaBoy: Thanks, but I am neither interested in - nor qualified to discuss - the subject matter, so you may remove my handle from the list. Many thanks.OK. Thanks. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by DrummaBoy(m): 10:39pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Image123: errmmm meaning they are the inspired writings of the Holy Spirit, not the British bulldog spirit.Yeah right... I told you before that this is not child's play. So if you cannot point our the lies then shhhhh... keep quiet! 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by DrummaBoy(m): 9:53pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Image123: You no serious oh, na me get bulldog spirit ke? Anyway, what i posted is actually a Bible verse, not just my words. What you posted is well crafted lies.So you posted scriptures and then what? Has anyone been speaking from head knowledge here? Has sufficient scriptures not been provided for the matters being discussed here? What's the big deal with posting or even quoting scriptures? The devil also did the same in Matthew 4. What's is the relevance of the scriptures quoted in the light of the subject being discussed and how does it translate to New Testament Christian living? That's the point. And don't just run around shouting someone is lying; point out the lie in the light of RELEVANT scriptures or keep quiet. 6 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by DrummaBoy(m): 8:13pm On Jul 30, 2014*. Modified: 9:36pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
A SUBTLE LEGALISM David Prior is an Anglican Priest whose book titled "BEDROCK" (1985) has a chapter titled Sound Doctrine. The book is basically committed to teachings on the life of the church, administration, physical and spiritual growth, and doctrine. In that chapter he makes a point that all preaching in church continues to vie between the terror of legalism and the debauchery of licentiousness. He made it clear that though ministers hold the duty to instruct Gods people in the way of righteousness, they have no right to instruct people in the specific details of how they must run their lives. His argument is that if we truly teach sound doctrine, and Gods power is present, God is able to lead people on how they must live out the details of their lives. When ministers begin to instruct Christians to do this and that, they are veering off into practicing subtle legalism (see the latter verses of Colossians 2). Unfortunately, this is what the injunction to tithe does. The New Testament has laid out clear doctrines on how Christians must give. If a minister will teach on giving, he should trust God enough to lead people to give without his having to spell out the details of how they must do it. When a minister or church insist that that giving is a tithe, at minimum, that minister or church is practicing subtle legalism. Unfortunately, this subtle legalism does not stop at giving alone. It transcends to other things in church too. David Martin Lloyd-Jones was one of few ministers that refused to support the ministry of Billy Graham when he came to do crusade in London in the 50/60s. The old minister's grouse with Graham was with the practice of "altar calling". Dr Lloyd-Jones opposed this practice because he felt it was a way of ministers taking over the job of the Holy Spirit. He insisted that the job of the minister was to preach and it was the job of the Spirit to convict and bring to conversion. Everyone should know his job. Doing otherwise, in my parlance, is to practice subtle legalism. The Dr. himself witnessed much conversion in his over 50 years of ministering but never did he make an altar call. Those who opposed him then are still alive to see what "altar calling" had turned Christendom into: a place where every Dick and Harry is a Christian. This is the reason why tithing cannot fit the spirit of the New Testament. The old might have permitted legalism but the New insists on freedom, free will and the leading of the spirit. This is why tithing in the old must certainly translate to free will giving in the new, and this is the reason why tithing could not be mentioned as a NT practice as it will violate the spirit of freedom that Christ had purchased for the church. Unfortunately, so much of Christianity is steeped in this subtle legalism. Even churches that teach a level of liberty cannot trust their members enough to be led to do things by themselves. Pastors instead love to dictate to their people what to do. Its worse now as Christians must depend on pastors to even tell them how to pray, who to marry, how to do business, how to eat and exercise, how to give, etc. Its all subtle legalism. This is the result of not teaching Christians the blessing of being led of the Spirit. For those led of the spirit are not under the law. This was the major grouse the NT teachers had with the false prophets of their time. Its a problem that remains with Christendom till this moment. Beware of subtle legalistic injunctions; you can learn to be led of the Spirit. 6 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 4:43pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Tgirl4real: Hello Sir,noted |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Speak To You? How? by DrummaBoy(m): 1:55pm On Jul 30, 2014*. Modified: 2:50pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
pappyrose: Well.....for me I believe reading the bible alone does not guarantee hearing from God because you can read out of context and use it to sooth yourself. A portion of the scriptures says the letter kills, its the Spirit of God that gives live. So many people have read the bible and gotten themselves more confused.The above quote, I am sorry to say, is false doctrine. When we subordinate the truth of the bible to hearing spirits, even if we claim we are listening for the Holy Spirit, we open ourselves to demons. And this is the root of all false doctrine in the church. People hearing spirits and coming to teach such in the church. Please read 1John 4:1-3 John in his epistle warned us that many spirits have gone into the world and they have all come to teach false doctrine. There is only one yardstick to know whether the spirit speaking is of God and that is by comparing it to scriptures. Therefore, the fact that people have a penchant to read their own prejudices into scriptural text does not mean we should no longer trust the text and now go to the Holy Spirit to tell us what he has already told us in scriptures. The problem is solved by those people resolving the issues of their own heart and go to the biblical text and allow it to speak for itself. When Jesus promised the Spirit, he didn't do so to replace the scripture. Rather he gave us the Spirit to understand scriptures. So the Word or scriptures first, then the spirit. Putting the cart before the horse is what has led to all these Pentecostal confusion in the land, with their prophets and their prophetesses. I maintain that God is speaking through the bible primarily today. A biblically taught mind set will receive the blessing of the Spirit. Thus decision made from this thinking will always be God led. In very rare occasions God may speak to such an individual but even that must be subordinated to the word of God. Jesus said: sanctify them by thy truth; your word is truth. We worship the Father by the Spirit and in truth. Whatever is spiritual and does not have sound truth as background is of demons. I thought I should lay this caution seeing that some might be applauding the quoted post already. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 12:51pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
ayoku777: I nominate Alwaystrue and Bidam or ShdemidemiBidam had indicated he will not be partaking in the convention earlier. If his decision still subsist, I will take it that your nominations are Alwaystrue shdemidemi |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 11:20am On Jul 30, 2014 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 11:20am On Jul 30, 2014*. Modified: 4:49pm On Jul 30, 2014 |
Goshen360: Our theme for the 2014 Grace Convention is:In the light of the theme of this years conventions I propose the following topics along with the subject being adressed. Note that the subjects are in bracket. 1. (Witnessing/Atheism): The Gospel for the Unbelieving and the Atheist. 2. (Social Issues): The Christian and his Environment. 3. (Power of the Spirit): The Power of the Holy Spirit in Christian Living. 4. (Unity/Ecumenism): Towards a United Christian Voice on Nairaland and Elsewhere. 5. (Prosperity): True Christian Prosperity. 6. (Church History): Where Did We Come From and Where are We Headed? 7. (Christian Ministry): The Ministry, Life and the Message. 8. (Grace): The Grace of God for All Men. 9. (Nigeria): An Emerging Nigeria via the Gospel. I also suggest that the "audience" be permitted ample time to question each presenter. This is however under the strict supervision of the moderators who will ensure that no presenter is unnecessarily attacked. Lastly, the monickers being nominated should be chosen to present at the convention only after each has indicated willingness to partake in the convention on this thread. So it doesn't seem anyone is being forced to do something against their will. I present this for the house and for Goshen360's perusal as we inch towards the convention proper. Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 10:47am On Jul 30, 2014*. Modified: 6:14am On Jul 31, 2014 |
[size=20pt]UPDATE ON THE CONVENTION: In Regards Nominations[/size] Three individuals have been selected prior to the start of nominations. They are: 1. Yooguyz 2. Ihedinobi2 3. MrAnony1 We are left with six more people to add to this list to make up 9 individuals for the convention. The following are the nominees so far with the number of nominations: PastorOluT ---- 7 Alwaystrue ---- 3 BabaGnoni ---- 3 ichuka --------- 2 MarkMiwerds--- 2 striktlymi ------- 1 Joagbaje -------- 1 truthislight -------- 1 ubenedictus ------- 1 Reyginius --------- 1 alexleo ----------- 1 nlmediator -------- 1 Ayoku777 --------- 1 italo --------------- 1 Bidam ------------ 1 Nominations are still welcome from the list below DrummaBoy: striktlymi |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 10:34am On Jul 30, 2014 |
Candour: Yeah.....they all profess ChristianityIts updated Thank you Candid Candour. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 9:31am On Jul 30, 2014 |
MrAnony1: What about Reyginus, davidlyan, TomiGodson, Joshthefirst?I am not familiar with this monickers. Pls can I have one or two people confirm they are all professing Christians so I can update the list. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by DrummaBoy(m): 10:53pm On Jul 29, 2014 |
nora544: Very very good writing.If government controls church finances, are they not likely to control the church also? I know a bit about Hitler's influence on the church. In Germany there was the state church and the underground church. The likes of the theologians Karl Barths and Dietrich Bonhoeffer were leaders of the underground church. Bonhoeffer will later be implicated in a plot to kill Hitler, arrested and executed a few days to the end of the war. My point is: if you are saying you still run a state church after the style of Hitler, are you sure ministers can speak truth to power as it should be? I commend the idea of Christians ministers working. I am not sure it's something that can happen in Nigeria. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by DrummaBoy(m): 10:07pm On Jul 29, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Why does WoF ask for tithe?This is the core truth about WOF romance with tithes. They do not understand the cross. They misinterpret the cross. In the process they despise the cross and thus live as if there was no cross. Confusing grace with law. Living the Christian life as if there was no cross. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by DrummaBoy(m): 9:56pm On Jul 29, 2014 |
trustman: I cannot agree any less with you PastorKun.In fact... master presentation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by DrummaBoy(m): 4:30pm On Jul 29, 2014*. Modified: 4:47pm On Jul 29, 2014 |
MY SUBMISSION ON F8: TITHING I have thought very deeply as to what exactly could be said about tithing that has not been said on this forum. At the risk of repetition I venture into making this contribution that will glean a bit from my experiences. Having attended Roman Catholicism as a child, I knew next to nothing about tithing. Though RCC introduced tithing into Christendom, the last three popes have not emphasized it. RCC gets its funding mostly from its many business concerns that vary from schools to hospitals (Many of which are laudable ventures that provide for the poor in communities and that provide employment for citizens of those communities). They also have a means of levying wealthy members. And the fact that Rome remains the richest Christian organization in the world makes RCC never in short supply of funds. This might be one reason they do not emphasize tithing. I however learnt that it is very compulsory to pay your tithe as a faithful member of other orthodox churches. A friend told me that though his late father was faithful in tithing, to bury him the church screened all the financial books on him and the children balanced every kobo owed before he was committed to mother earth. This, unfortunately, is were WoF finds its inspiration on tithing and not the bible. The difference between tithing in churches influenced by WoF and orthodox churches is that in the former the system of one man leadership is practiced; in the latter, however, a plurality of eldership is allowed. Where one man leads, the likelihood that financial decisions are made by him alone is high. This is made worse by the ostentatious lifestyles displayed by the "owners" of these churches. The stories of financial scandals that that trail these churches are simply to numerous to recount here. All of these happening while the faithfuls in these assemblies give their tithes, offerings and other financial commitments for the "work of ministry". While the orthodox churches do not have a sound biblical base for collecting tithes, the plurality of eldership allowed in their leadership and the strong commitment to accountability discourages financial abuse. The sole aim of tithe collection in a church is simply for financial gain. History has shown that when the clergy refuse to work and a church begins to build up a bloated system that includes the employment of church staffs, erecting building, organizing of programs, owning of lands and property, that church will begin to place itself in a position of financial need that can only be met by calling members to tithing. This is how tithing started in the 8th century and that is how it was restored in modern times. However, when the Spirit returns with power, these ecclesiastic burden is usually by passed. Rather, God's people give themselves to prayer, the church building is no longer needed, the people give without inhibition, coercion or law, their is trust and what is given is used to support the poor, the weak and society's downtrodden. There is usually no need to support a clergy because everyone operates as a priest, the leaders themselves work and so the hegemony of the clergy is removed. This is what happened with the first gathering called the church in Acts 4 and it is what happens every time God moves with power among his people. We are told by tithers that there is not one verse in the New Testament that taught that Christians are not obligated to tithe. We remind them that there is equally no verse that commands Christians to tithe. We are then left to soundly deduce Christian doctrines and practice from the overwhelming scriptural evidence staring us in the face: 1. Jesus Christ commended tithing under the law in Mathew 23:23, but clearly showed that Christian ministers should be supported by free will offerings in Luke 10:7-8. 2. Neither Jesus nor his apostles were recorded to have either received or given tithes. 3. The New Testament records many passages that encourages Christian giving (Luke 6; 1 Corinthians 9; 2 Corinthians 8-9; Phillipians 4, etc) not one of them mentioned tithing as a Christian obligation. 4. The New Testament showed us clearly that Christians were no longer under the Mosaic laws which would include tithing. 5. That if we must tithe we must then keep every other injunction of the law. 6. The Christian is called to imitate Abraham's faith and not Abraham one time act of tithing. 7. The act of free will giving was more in keeping with the spirit of the New Testament that was characterized by the spontaneous influence of the Holy Ghost in the believers mind than a religious adherence to tithing. 8. Colossians 2:16 lists religious feasts, New Moon and Sabbaths as obligations Christians are not to keep. Tithing will surely come under this since tithing is listed along with First fruits, New Moon and Sabbaths in Nehemiah 10:33-38. 9. Hebrew 7 mention tithes in the context of describing the greatness of the priesthood of Christ over that of Aaron. The New Testament warns the Christian against covetousness and to watch out for false prophets that would make merchandize of the gospel (2 Corinthians 2:17; Philippians 3:19). We are told these false prophets will come in their numbers in the last days to defraud people of money (2 Peter 2:1-3). We are told that their trade mark will be to take advantage of God's people, while exercising autocratic control on them (2 Corinthians 11:20). Jesus warned us that we would have not a few of them in our time but MANY (Matthew 24:5). If in the light of all these scriptural admonitions, we have a cable TV station like Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) that has gained the notoriety as a platform where preachers come to beg for money while preaching compulsory tithing; and we discover that the underlying gospel that is taught on that station is wholesale Word of Faith, while their reach and influence has pervaded the majority of Christendom; shall we not conclude that we are in the days that Jesus and his apostles warned about? Shall we not conclude that Word of Faith is a doctrine of hell? Shall we not conclude that tithing is the means earmarked to merchandise this gospel around the world? I leave my readers to make the obvious conclusions themselves. [size=16pt]MY SUBMISSION ON F8: TITHING [/size] I REST MY CASE ON F8 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 11:53am On Jul 29, 2014 |
[size=20pt]UPDATE ON THE CONVENTION: In Regards Nominations[/size] Three individuals have been selected prior to the start of nominations. They are: 1. Yooguyz 2. Ihedinobi2 3. MrAnony1 We are left with six more people to add to this list to make up 9 individuals for the convention. The following are the nominees so far with the number of nominations: PastorOluT ---- 5 Alwaystrue ---- 3 ichuka --------- 2 MarkMiwerds--- 2 striktlymi ------- 1 Joagbaje -------- 1 BabaGnoni ------- 1 truthislight -------- 1 We encourage nominations from those who have not done so. We are also still awaiting topics in relation to the theme of the convention. Pls refer to the list above this post for other individuals you could nominate. @Tgirl4real, your nominations are not clear. Pls state your nominees again. Thank you all for your cooperation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Making of GRACE CONVENTION 2014 by DrummaBoy(op): 9:05am On Jul 29, 2014*. Modified: 10:22am On Jul 30, 2014 |
I added some names, please note: DrummaBoy: Some of the discussions that I have heard with brethren here have been heated ones. I was hoping this years convention will allow for a similitude of ecumenism, where despite our differences in opinions, we can still speak as one voice concerning matters of God's kingdom. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by DrummaBoy(m): 8:52am On Jul 29, 2014 |
I think the post by Nora is very instructive. I hope its lengthy nature does not discourage readers and deny them the understanding they ought to have. The very fact that a teaching can be branded "Prosperity Gospel" is enough evidence that we have another gospel running around in our churches with increasing popularity. The tithes is only a fraction of what is wrong with this gospel. It is hoped that those who have ears to hear will listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. For any one who is interested in a thorough expose or further study into what Nora has posted, please join BabaGnoni, trustman and me on this thread on Word of Faith: www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Speak To You? How? by DrummaBoy(m): 10:01pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
Kay17: There is no reason to be that the thoughts that arise in your mind you read the Bible is God's voice, it is as well your thoughts. And I believe can be root of many errors.I got what you mean. Remember the analogy of my child? How easily he can discern my voice now? That's the same thing that happens when reading the bible. When God speaks, you will hear. But first things first. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice. The question I need ask you is: are you a sheep of Christ? If you are not, you should be. Then and only then, when he speaks, will you hear. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Speak To You? How? by DrummaBoy(m): 9:04pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
Tgirl4real: You are right to a large extent, but we also can not rule out that the conscience is suppose to serve as the moral seat of man. You brought the bal with Rom 12. Bible says some have snared their consciences with hot iron. If you renew your mind with God's word, your conscience will serve as a godly guide to you. Most people hear their conscience when they claim they hear God.Absolutely. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Speak To You? How? by DrummaBoy(m): 7:35pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
Kay17: @drummerboyI don't get you. pls be specific. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by DrummaBoy(m): 6:47pm On Jul 28, 2014*. Modified: 7:07pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
Image123: Can you answer the questions or you have no answers that don't further implicate you? At least, they are not recycled questions like the majority of questions here. Kindly answer, i'm not playing games. You're the one dishing out accusations which seem false.The train of discussion that led to Adeboye's statement and Image123 questions: FortresOfChrist: Tithe has caused many problems in christianity including my family until we discovered the truth and now we are free. Image123: Rather the love of money has caused many problems. nora544: And who brought the money issue into the church, the pastors from the new churches!!!!!!!!! With their lifestile!!!!!!!!!!! Goshen360: We know who made those statement but Image123 so respect the "anointed man of God" that he can't even tell the truth the man is wrong. Holding the word of truth in hypocrisy Image123: You fellows are very frequent accusers. Beware, accusation is two ways, you MAY BE wrong or right. False witness or false accusation is still a sin in the new testament period. Goshen360: What I'm saying is, speak the truth even when your "favourite" man of God make unhealthy statements. Don't be partial, half truth is as good as speaking lies. Image123: Show how i am partial please. And who is my favorite man of God. Goshen360: You know who I'm talking about - Your Daddy G.O When Adeboye made that statement, what did you come up with? He's wrong? Image123: i don't get it. What makes anyone my daddy g.o? What makes my daddy g.o my favorite man of God? Goshen360: Keep playing games and jumping around. Everyone knows who you are. Keep asking me when Adeboye made such statement and when this, when that. You are known to defend Adeboye with all kinds of twisting and gimmicks. Image123: When did Adeboye make a statement? What did you come up with when or if he made a statement? Are you omniscient? DrummaBoy: Pastor E A Adeboye made a similar statement but not with the exact words as written by nora544. Image123: Can you answer the questions or you have no answers that don't further implicate you? At least, they are not recycled questions like the majority of questions here. Kindly answer, i'm not playing games. You're the one dishing out accusations which seem false.My Deduction: Please note the train of thoughts. The obvious reason for Image123 asking the questions is to reach the conclusion that no one knows the motive of Adeboye for raising 1 billion for a church auditorium. Since we are not omniscient we shouldn't question him or raise the issue. But notice that Image123 is omniscient enough to question the motive of ForteofChrist (FoC)who testified of how God saved her family from tithes. Image knows her heart enough to blame it on the love of money. Or should we conclude that Image should not judge FoC motive for saying what she said? As to the questions Image is bandying around. Here they are: What makes anyone my daddy g.o? The very fact that you are very ready to defend him, even if it means twisting arguments to your own confusion. What makes my daddy g.o my favorite man of God? Same reason above. Though I question he is the favorite. There is Oyedepo too. These are the men who we should blame for making threads like this this long. They are the ones who teach compulsory tithing. "Tithe or burn". "Tithe or things will be tithe for you". When did Adeboye make a statement? Check the link I provided. What did you come up with when or if he made a statement? The very things we are discussing here: love of money and tithes. Are you omniscient? Were you omniscient to think ForteofChrist loved money? And what's the big deal about your question? Don't bother answering seeing you can ask questions but have great difficulty answering people questions. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by DrummaBoy(m): 4:47pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
Image123: When did Adeboye make a statement? What did you come up with when or if he made a statement? Are you omniscient? DrummaBoy: Pastor E A Adeboye made a similar statement but not with the exact words as written by nora544. 1 Like |
