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coolxpaul:
I am not interested in this moral considerations you are advancing here. I may have to do another post on that but for now, it is the legality or otherwise of the university's action.

The law may be harsh but it still remains the law.

The Law is the Law and it was never harsh. It is the laws made by men that is partial, selective and outrightly (out of right) unjust, injust and unfair.

Law is Morals which is concerned with Righteousness. Which is why you used the word "righteous" in your statement.

I am simply stating that the legality of the school is limited and not to the full extent as they went.

Do they have a right to expell? Yes
Should they have exercised it? No, Triple jeopardy occasions.

Are there not other remedies that do not occasion the doing of another wrong of their own? There are.

It is the Law, that one wrong must not lead to the doing of another wrong, hence the principle two wrongs do not make a right.

In this case, the justice and right is in the middle.

My brothers at Law, have you not noticed that where there is a wrong, there is hue and cry? And have you not seen that it is the Law, that when there is a wrong, bickering must follow?

Many things about Law have been hidden from lawyers.

The Law is Always and Absolute about Good, Right, Balance and Everything Good. The Law quenches all Wrongs, Not Goods, Bad's and Evils.

The reason for the hue and cry is because of the imbalance of the decision of the school in expelling the students.

The school had a right to terminate the relationship with them and the students but what should have been advocated for was for the students to have been withdrawn.

Injustice and wrong of the school's decision lies in the giving of justice in excess of the grievance it has with the students for by their action, they destroyed and punished both the past and future of the students with one swoop in the play of punishing the students.

This is not double jeopardy but triple jeopardy, an overkill!

Solution- Be Polar, bye bi-polar

sonmvayina:
Do you think anything Can breach God's authority?.. You think there is anything God created that he can't control?..

"if no, what makes you think the devil is an exception or that the devil does what he like...
Are you in anyway suggesting the devil is a dual opposite of God?

There are 3 types of Laws God made covering the earth: Unbreakable Laws (no one can breach), Breakable Laws and Discretionary Laws

He's controlled everything using these Laws and has provided what shall happen and would happen when breached.

As I have earlier said all the acts and non-acts of all servants/employees/personnel are covered by Rules. And when it is time or when God the CEO wants it, the Disciplinary Hearing/Committee shall call all who have breached the Laws of this company called earth and destroyed it to determine whether they shall be "Fired" or are qualified to continue their work in a remake of the company called earth (judgement)!

In the due excercise of the Rights of our employer God, just as man does on earth as you know!

sonmvayina:
You still don't get it...our reality is not a duality.. There is no separate God for good and another for evil.. There is ONLY one God that is responsible for both.. Read Isaiah 45, :7.the idea of different God's for good and evil is of pagan origin..

Isaiah 45:7- is clearly the Supremacy and Full Mightiness of God! He created everything and gave them a life of their own and their functions or work.

The understanding you lack, is that like a company/organisation/ministries all things are either workers/employees/servants or properties/assets of the Owner/CEO, God.

All have their functions and duties clearly defined, including evil.

Anything which breaches it's function shall be sanctioned.

His Rules and Regulations of this company called world are already known and He gave a gift to man to wit- (Don't know good or evil) so that man shall be guiltless and not liable or culpable for anything, he does or does not do.

Foolish man let another employee con him into knowing. Now man is guilty.

Now God is the Boss shall not all employees account to him?

Like Christ says if in the kingdom of foolish man blaming or abusing the boss for any error has never prevented damnation upon a man, how then is it wise to condemn the All Mighty?

You directed me to Isaiah 45:7, hope you saw the wisdom in verse 9 of it!

sonmvayina:
Christians basically drew their inspiration from Babylonian religion that has names for the different aspects of life or nature... In this case Enlil will be Satan on the account that he is the destroyer. His son Nanna is the devil as he is the moon God or the God of darkness.. Both Enlil and Nanna where part of God, not Independent or dual opposite of God.. In fact they were among the 7 most senior Gods.. But the Jews don't see it that way... They see all of them as 1..acting together and in unison.. It was inanna that was not part of the initial 7,she was elevated to the pantheon when she stole the Mes from Enki.. Ninmah was withdrawn from the pantheon and inanna replaced her.. Thus she is the Lucifer Isaiah wrote about.. She is the goddess of death and war amongst others...
The Jews sees then as I unit... Hence the term Universe...

Google is your friend..

Every nation and tribe have a name for God and Satan.

What is most important to our soul is that one is good (God) and the other is very very wicked and Evil, infact Mr. Evil or the Evil or Satan or any other name that means very very very unending very wickedness.

[quote author=alBHAGDADI post=84098866]Those children of Israel believed God but were always going back to their sins. That's why God use to punish them e.g kill them, send them into captivity etc.


Nowhere.

No they didn't believe in God. The very Children of Isreal (sometime after the death of Jacob's 12) did not believe in God and infact did not know Him.

Hence God's introduction to Moses-"I am the God of thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"

Hence the giving of the Laws to wit- "if you will walk in my Statutes and keep my Commandments and do them: Leviticus 26:3 which starts with the contract (covenant) God had with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in Exodus 19:5.

Leviticus 26 shows us the contract (covenant) God had with Abraham and that it is in the contract that whenever they shall breach the contract, He shall punish them, even hotly.

But as He has sworn to Abraham, He will Never allow the contract (covenant) to be terminated! And if the sons of Jacob want to terminated, it shall not be so.

"But where is it recorded that God sent them to hell fire?"

I never mentioned anything about hellfire! But I know that hell is made ready and hot! All who found condemnation in the Most High Judge (Jesus Christ) shall be put in there to die.

Remman:
Lol! Can the creator of a robot abandon and quarel with his own creation when it made a mistake? You're still not getting my point. If you are like God are you ominiscience, ominipresence, immune to disease, or can you live forever, or can you make a planet? Humans improve on their creation when it makes a mistake but God whom you said is like human seem to have abandoned his own creation when they made an error which he is responsible for. Worst still, a huge punishment awaits defaulters.

Condemning God would still not stop or prevent your death which you obviously do not mind.

We who do not want to die, understand that He us given us a way to live. We shall loose this corrupted life, that's why we die here. But, we who want to live shall first die (as He has Lawed it) but He has also Lawed it that after death, we who want Life, Shall Live.

Thus, we die to Live again as we have chosen but you die to Die permanently!

I'm out

It is written, "if you Love me, keep my commandments".

Remman:
Guys, i'm really confused about God. Please help!!!

You know, i see robots in movies everyday and i kind of think we would have been great if we were like robots to God because we would be somewhat superior to God. Robots have no free-will nature, can out-live the owner and can process data twice faster than its owner. Even robots are well taken care of, they're not poor and they don't have to believe in anything to progress.

....confusion....

* Why would God give humans free-will and still punish them for their behaviours or mistakes when he's responsible for giving them the free-will?

* Why would God not take part in the affairs of humans but would punish them if they try to survive by all means even when they have no choice?

I need answers, no abuse please. Thanks!

God chose to make you LIKE Him! Like Him, He avoided Evil.

So How can we, Like Him, not avoid evil as He had done?

Yes, He could have made you a robot, tree, mountain, giraffe.

He who exercises his rights, does no wrong!

You must remember, like you and all your fellow yous, God who you are like, must also have rights.

Her case was bad ab initio (from the beginning). For it has no way of being substantiated using human capabilities.

Like the family taken up by God, that is House Israel, God saved them repeatedly but yet again, they turned away from Him and always return to their sinful ways.

What happened to them shall surely and verily happen to us all when we are saved and yet we return again to our sins.

Op you are already immediately mistaken for you know not that devil is simply, the evil, D' evil! Evil which you know very very well. Infact, you might be the professional in it.

But there is one or many , I know not, who is the father and king of it, whose name is also called satan.

And you know him, he's your father!

1 John 2:18- Little Children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists: whereby we know that it is the Last Time.

You are wrong! Those who have understood the Bible know that Isreal is not the Home, but the kingdom and rule of God is the home.

Israel is FAMILY among all the other families of the earth, that God decided to Take up to Himself, and use, to reach out to all the other families of the earth. So that all the other families and all men would notice the difference in that One Family, that they may request of God to come to them also.

That's why it is written "for by thee all the nations of the earth Shall be blessed!" Genesis 22:18

[quote author=jesusjnr post=83892467]Of course "good" news doesn't mean "true" news, and saying something someone wants to hear doesn't mean you're telling them the truth.

So I'm not surprised that the lie that people don't have to do any works for them to be saved, but just to "believe" appeals to people more than the Truth that they need works to be saved.

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

John 5:29 (KJV)

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

In my view Step1 is to believe Christ (that is to know that Christ has told us the Truth we need to know to obtain Life).

After this Step 2, truthfully and dutifully obey, keep and do the commandments e.g Mathew 5, 6, 7 and all Christ's teachings.

Step 3, seek and pursue after the things of God i.e righteousness, peace, wisdom, knowledge, understanding etc

Ford- Fast Only Running Downhill

datola:
"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." -Eccl 9:11

Beautiful! Let me join you; ...it is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of Sorrows. Psalm 127: 1&2

I don't think a person who went to the club once can be properly described as a clubber

[quote author=ProfessorDean post=81577584]HELL or HEAVEN: RESTITUTION
Have you ever wondered what may take many to hell? Sins maybe?
What if its more than that? quote]

I wondered! And I found that it is not that sin will take us to hell (to die forever Rev 20:14) but that we are going to die, right from the day we are born.

Why? Because God's word Must And Always Must, Be FULFILLED! Genesis 2:17

Therefore, by natural process, a lion must give birth to a lion, a lamb must give birth to a lamb, a sinner must give birth to a .......

Hence, like David said " in sin did my mother concieve me" Psalm 51:5

And also why Christ clearly and unequivocally said in John 3:18 particularly 19 that We are Condemned ALREADY, if ...

Have you seen where your zeal or passion is, which is for attending church? Should your zeal be towards going to church? Should you not be rather zealous to be a part of in the kingdom of God, which is to come, when it shall come?

donnie:
I agree

Mathew 8:15-20 particularly verses 17 and 18.

1 John 2: 18/19 (anti-Christ means against Christ and as Christ said who is not with me, is against me Mathew 12:30)

LordReed:
LoL! Soon the crocodile tears meanwhile hiding behind the bible to insult. Come at me again with insults and you will know the meaning of pain.

In conclusion, wisdom is Too High for a Fool and giving wisdom to a Fool is like giving pearls to a pig, which the pig after trampling upon it, shall turn around and rend (tear, kill, destroy, abuse) you.

LordReed:
Yes dummy you should have just said you have no evidence instead of attempting to dribble your own shadow. I was very clear about the type of evidence I was after but because you are steeped in self deceit you attempt to confuse yourself with loquacious dumbassery.

You are too stùpid to see you have created a fable that you have generated a frenzy to believe. Next time you want to cross the road close your eyes and believe in spirits to guide you as you cross. Dundee.

E pain you bad

The word of God is a double edged sword, piercing dividing the body soul and spirit of the guilty and the condemned.

[quote author=LordReed post=81507376]And you must be a loquacious dummy. I asked if you've seen a spirit and you come with how we sense air. Do you not know the meaning of see with your own eyes? But of course dummies like you have nothing so you cook up high sounding words to fool yourself into a frenzy of belief. Keep being fooled dummy.[/quoteb

Finally the insult comes! This argument was about proof of spirit that is evidence and not restricted to proof by the use of the eyes which you have just taken it to "Do you not know the meaning of see with your own eyes?"

If you knew what evidence was and is and shall be, you would surely know that in all cases whatsoever direct evidence must be given by a person

1- if it is about a matter which can be seen, it must be the evidence of the witness who saw that matter

2-if it is a matter that was heard or could be heard, it must be the evidence of the witness who heard that matter. And

3- if it was a matter which could be perceived by the senses or In Any Other Manner, it must be the evidence of the witness who perceived that matter.

That is an extract obtained from law of evidence used by all countries of the world to discover that which is not only evidence but good evidence.

And my submission lies on the the established fact that the proof of the spirit is not in the seeing but in the perception which you have once again foolishly proved and have witnessed by changing the course of the argument and calling on me to prove it by eyes Only when there are other means of proving any matter.

You have a right to choose to die in, and with your foolishness but I would never ever join you.

LordReed:
And how does any of this provide evidence of a spirit?

You folk start with the stylised insults then when I pile on you like a hurricane, you start crying crocodile tears.

Wow you still don't get it? You must not be an adult to not get it so I will make a final attempt to feed you milk.

Light/ darkness; in/out: seen and unseen. The things that are seen are all physical. The things that are unseen are what we call the invisible/ spirit and many other words described that which we cannot see, yet everyone knows that there are things unseen.

How do we know this? Because the things unseen are rather experienced e.g air. No one has ever seen air but we all know air and felt it's presence and power effect on our bodies themselves and also on our physical environment too. So also do we experience the power and the presence of the existence of the spirit in us through us and for us. The spirit is by far above our physical senses which are beyond the capabilities of all our physical sense organs, yet do we experience and feel the effects of its power

By what physical sense organ do we experience fear, apprehension, foreboding, foreknowledge, dread, accurate prediction etc and some of the things that we have all said at one time or the other " how you take know say hin go give you? or you know say you must meet am for house? or you know say bad thing go soon happen to you? And you Or a person you know was accurate at that particular time in that particular moment.

Do we not generally always answer "I no know oh I only just know say E go happen?"

No man can do these things of his own will but it is the movement of the presence of the spirit and that is why everyone who has attempted to repeat that fit of his own desire has failed and shall always fail.

All these activities and actions are the evidence and proof of the power and existence of the spirit.just like no matter how much you will it and desire it, you can not stop the wind from blowing or change the direction in which the wind blows nor neither do you know where the wind comes from or in where it shall go.

I rest my case

LordReed:
You didn't provide evidence, maybe you should look up the meaning and try again.

Woow! You are an idol- you have eyes, yet you see not. You have ears yet you hear not!. Is an idol not meant for the fire?

So my final answer to you goes thus-

if a thing is evident, it does not require evidence! Therefore all things evident are all things true. It is evident that there is light and darkness, up and down, left and right, good and evil,, seen and unseen and Law of opposites is hereby established.

But how can a man explain these things to a log of wood or a piece of metal, an idol through and through?

LordReed:
If you feel my post was a non-answer, it's only because your post was a non-question.

BTW I give you till the heat death of the universe to provide evidence for spirits. Be sure I won't be holding my breath though.

I clearly said that you have answered the question I posed, not non-answer or that you failed to answer it.

Also, I let slip an evidence in proof of the truth of the presence and manifestation of the spirit, but as I said, you would miss it as you have clearly proven in your further request for evidence.

So welcome to the game of hide and seek for it is written it is the glory of God to Hide a matter and it is to the honour of kings to search it.

And seein that you are not able to uncover it, I'll leave you this clue (for if I have to tell you, it is ruined already). It is in my last post beginning with the first letter of the alphabet.

LordReed:
Have you seen with your own eyes a spirit of any kind?

Thank you for settling and answering this topic in your non-answer.

You have also raised another topic here which clearly means that certain truths are established here and we can proceed to answer your own question from here on.

And I answer, that, we all have seen spirits with our eyes and the difference lies in the fact you are simply unaware of it neither do you recognise it nor did you ever know it, in the abundance of "I don't knows".

I previously did not know like you but now I know and I now understand.

It is my will to give you the evidence of it but I do not think you Truly and Really want to know as I already see that you have a fixed heart and not a truly considerate heart which is only after the truth like the air around you.

donnie:
Thank you... I like your answer.

But you know it is Christian a doctrine that the law is no longer binding on Yah's people.

...Especially the first four commandments.

Lies from Satan himself!

Did Christ not answer the lawyer, in the new testament, who asked what was the greatest commandment (Law)? Did Christ not answer that it was the First Law (No 1) of all laws? Math 22: 34-40.

Can there be a higher Law above this. See also Luke 10: 25-28

And Christ clearly said all other laws (in the world) stand on it. Math. 22: 39/40. For the sake of clarity, I humbly say in Christ's Name that No 3 commandment is like no 2. And No 4 is like No 3 and you can run along with the rest.

Let's go back to origin of things. Have you ever seen with your eyes, anything that has ever come to existence, by its own Will?