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Haynnie:
And is not complete

Whose completion?

Mavrick2012:
Come on social media and hear some Christians forming peaceful, same people who don't hesitate to verbally ATTACK those who speak against their Church or daddy GO.
The difference is just a very thin line

As if you would not choose oral attack 100% over lynching.

godog:
Valid opposition?

I have nothing reasonable to say.

Now I rest.

I did say so ab initio.

Emusan:
I don't know the rationale behind this but whenever Muslims fanatics did anything, the some people do is to rope christians into it, instead of rising up address the main issue.

True!

holsconcept:
.. I asked this question "Is it possible to edit the Bible and the Quran which are the two main holy books in Nigeria so as to remove verses that contains violence?"

1) Even if the Bible was not written, man and men would still do evils.

2) No one has a right to alter the writings of another without their consent.

litigator:
This is one question I have struggled with since I could tell my left from my right...

But then, I have always wondered why God will chose the Christian Religion and abandon the rest.

Read again! No where did God choose any religion, rather He Said "This is My Way and the Way I have laid before you. If thou wilt keep all my Commandments and Ordinances and judgements"

So, He laid His Own Way and did not pick any one's way.

Haynnie:
Oga my question is, was the Bible summarised or it was not detailed enough?

The record speaks for itself.

OlawaleBammie:
...U Imbecilè would not think before u talk out rubbish just because u want to follow the bandwagon to talk trash about the bible...

Bandwagon passenger
Truth!

godog:
.Your Honda, Toyota crabs are easier to forgive, at least they are your thinking but you assume everyone has the same preference because majority do.

See, Deviation from Post! The issue is not "forgiveness" but understanding the relationship between Creator and creation.

godog:
How do you expect me to engage someone with such a horrible sense of judgement in a meaningful dialogue?

You said I don't want to be punished for the evil and wickedness I've done like the killing in sokoto, just because I open a thread for refreshing dialogue.

Are you that obtuse not to know that moderation is part of being intelligent?

How do you convince me that if I engage you in a dialogue ( even though I owe you no explanation), you will not frustrate the whole thing with your selective myopia?

If my post appear so unnecessary and dull for you, what do we make of such a mawkish submission of yours up there?

What does it matter if we agree on a topic or not. Life continues either way. What points are you trying to score? That you know better or what?

This is just ramblings and complainings. If you have any reasonable and valid things to say, say it or rest.

godog:
I will address the fault in your submission presently in relation to the topic I tabled,using your computer analogy, for the sake of this thread.

I am always ready for any reasonable and valid opposition and do not forget the issue on ground.

chieveboy:
Good. This in essence means religion may after all not be the yardstick whether or not there is a judgement at the last day.

Religion simply means regular doings aka behaviour, thus, judgement is based on your doings (religion) exactly the way the doings of everything is Judged!

Solosolojohquay:
Why is this world so difficult and full of mystery why did God allow darkness to triumph over light ,God knows all he sees the future , birds have been created by God before the existence of electricity God knows in future there will be electricity and the birds would always perch on electricity wire so he made their legs bloodless to prevent electricity shock why then did God allow luggard to succeed in merging the 3 regions of Nigeria together why.

You obviously thought The Curses in Genesis 3 among other Curses were a joke.

chieveboy:
By this, you are implying someone o. The wrong religion will find our about the good one and switch.

What's the chance of that? How do you prove the religion you switch to is the "approved" one. Note that other opposing religions have their 'Books' and "messages from God" on how the other one is the wrong one. This is if you are going to quote any book as response.

That is the power of knowing good and evil and all men have that power exactly as we do not see any one still travelling by foot from Onitsha to Lagos. They know that cars are better.

exCHRISTIAN:
You haven't asked why he let his people die without protecting them.

Did you not see that they murdered Him too and He did not save Himself?

So, who are the lessers that they should expect to escape?

Of course fools will never see what it means nor what is coming.

chieveboy:
God is supposedly going to burn some people in hell for ever and ever for not belonging in his official religion or accepting his son and messenger.

Why then does he allow people to be born in places they may never accept his supposed official religion considering the ones who are so convinced they are in the right one are merely into it because they were born there, speaking of 99% of everyone.

They got indoctrinated from childhood so much that any other religion seems like blasphemy and tufiakwa to them.

Why?

Because as you people say "people can change"!

There was a time you did not know how to read but you saw the goodness of reading and learnt it and changed. Same for languages, skill etc

Everyone can change no matter their background and religion is about how you choose live your life.

haekymbahd:
It is true there is no verse that supports this in the Quran but I am afraid maybe they got their idea from the bible

Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the [b]Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].

And it said "The Lord" and Mohammed is not even a lord.

So, you see, the Bible does not support him and them.

They are on their own.

bmdmix14:
This does not settle well with the most high
Remember, all power is from God

Nor with any person at all.

godog:
Your analogy is faulty and I will not engage you until you can see.

Contemplate more on what it means to be the creator of ALL.

YOUR problem is the world creator which is very inappropriate in this stance.

Computer and virus have creators and there is a user.

Creation out of nothing is totally a different scenario.

Think

Meaning, you know you would not be able to prove your case seeing that I refuse to be blind like you, especially as this issue is based on undisputable certainties.

It is indispensably certain that a creator created the computer Clean and virus free.

It is undisputably certain that another creator created a virus used to attack computers.

And the user is still both the creator of the computer and the creator of the virus, therefore, we have all the views that is reasonably there to see and can therefore arrive at a perfect and accurate judgement on them.

But, obviously you are not interested in arriving at a right judgement, which is why your presentation has no valid ground.

But you already knew this the minute I came and pointed out your errors which you knew you could not counter but were hoping it would go undetected and unchallenged, hence your complaint and refusal to prove your case.

godog:
I would have loved to engage you constructively but what's the point.

If you can wean yourself of dogmatic fluid for a moment and contemplate what it means to be the creator of ALL things, you will understand that your analogy is myopic and prejudiced.

When your imagination is wider and your mind is more accommodating, you will appreciate the intent of my post.

I hate nothing, so rest your mind I'm not what you think, rather you are what you think.

I will learn from any one who is better than me but that means that such person must reasonable and validly prove that in deed, he has a better opinion.

Therefore, tango with me if you think you have a very solid thinking on this topic of Creator and creation.

Thus, did you not pass judgement over your creation Honda vs Toyota? Or iPhone vs Samsung?

Was your laptop not first CLEAN and viruse free until one day a thing called "virus" was made and introduced to it to mess it up?

And have you not judged your creation bad and fit for destruction?

And, are you in the same place with your mannequins and cars and pencils and and phones?

And d you not praise and reward your phone when it doeth well?

Did you not destroy your phone, pencils mannequins when they fuq up?

Are these not how you exercise power over your creations? Oya, over to you!

Gloccz:
Devil suffers more in the hands of men than the Creator itself, Sometimes, I’m more at war with God than the Devil who was created by God. Why would the gods always involve Humans in their battle of supremacy? Why should i (Human) be caught up in a celestial battle? If your God can’t fight for himself, He is no God but a god . Guess we just pawns right from the beginning

1) creations are always pawns and toys

2). The-evil (D'evil) has completed his own personal mission of making you an enemy of your Creator, and now you are.

Kai, Satan is evil and very cunning. What a spectacular deception.

godog:
Can the creator judge its own creation, does it make sense?

Why not? Is that not what you have been doing in choosing Honda over Toyota? Or iPhone over Samsung?

godog:
The concept of God as the creator (of All), and Satan (the stubborn virus); is it rational?

Did you not have a clean laptop and PCs until one day a thing called "virus" was made and came to mess it up?

godog:
I think the creator of All should be responsible for All.

And part of that responsibility is to judge and remove all bad creations.

So, now you see, He is Coming to do His Job!

godog:
Certainly the creator must be in a space to create. So, who made the first space? Are the created and the creator in the same space?

Or, is the creator the created at the same time?

Are you in the same place with your mannequins and cars and pencils and and phones?

godog:
How can I create All and at the same time set my creation against one another just for me to punish some and reward some. Is this not brain-twisting?

Do you not praise and reward your phone when it doeth well?

Did you not destroy your phone when it fuqd up?

Truth be told, it is because you already know that you are a creation qualified for destruction because you do not do well.

Meanwhile, you do not want to do so.

Therefore, you really do not have any valid presentation because the ground is simply that you do not want to be punished for the evils and wickednesses you have done, like the murderers of that Sokoto student, hence your lamentations.

Maynman:
Even if he breaks his own law?

He Never Broke The Law

derecho:
I don't even understand what he is saying.
Imagine, the logic of "you do not have the right as a Christian to kick against what God permits"
So if God permit armed robbers to come and kill people, we shouldn't kick against armed robbery and killing of innocent people?

Instead of someone to sit and learn God's counsel, he'd just be discussing what he doesn't understand

I think he honestly thought he had found a justifiably ground not knowing that justification comes from God and by Exodus 23:7 He will never just fill the wicked or the wrong.

AntiChristian:
Which of the translations below is of Satan and which is of your God?

Truth is known! It does not require advertisement and promotion. Any who wants it's can find it and I know that people run into it from time to time, therefore, identifying the difference is easy.

Maynman:
He ordered the killing, him too will be judged.

He is The Greatest and there is no other and His Orderings are Law.

yeshuasfootstep:
Oga advocate of God. Read your Bible very well. Try and meditate, don't have the mindset of using the portion to attack but to get the impact of what is written.

God is A God of Law and has Law'd everything and I know Laws and how they work, which is why I am absolutely certain when I speak.

yeshuasfootstep:
Ok, lets go to that Genesis 29:30. I am reading from new world translations, it says, ' Then Jacob had relations also with Rachel', let me stop here.

Go to verse 31 of the same chapter, 'When Jehovah saw that Leah was unloved, he then enabled her to be pregnant, but Rachel was barren'.

Oga, you and I knows that God did not hide the only virgin pregnancy which is of the holy spirit in the bible. If it is so, he would have told us.

Can I now drink water and keep cup?���

This argument has long been quenched and you have lost track of it.

Maynman:
But there is a lot of killings in your Bible.

And there is The Judge Who shall judge all.

RoyalDiadems:
If He lives in your house, then, why doubt His existent?..

You must not be normal! person can not have heard "live in my house" and yet think to say "doubt His existence".

derecho:
Honestly, i can't understand what you're saying.
However, what I see is you assuming what you think I do.
The issue addressed is : is there anything like godly polygamy? The answer is NO.
What you are writing is purely your thought and not scriptures.
When you're ready to discuss scriptures, let me know.

Purely his desire for people to break The Law as he has.

Serial48:
I know it's a very poor country and the statistics don't lie about job scarcity and daily wages. But is it coincidental that those who are deeply religious, those who pray in public transport, like the one I'm in right now, seem like the ones who suffer the most? Like the poorest of the poor?

And their Heavenly Father is stupendously wealthy! The irony. Smh

Yep!

They think that by their vehement preaching, they can bribe God into making them billionaires!

Jashub:
My brother, it is fundamentally believed that human life belongs to God which is why most religions condemn the act of suicide. Now comes the question :why would you want to take the life you did not create? Secondly ,you killing yourself will only add misery to the lives of your children who look up to you daily.

And worse upon himself.

savesoulmejjj:
I'm not a Bible Scholar.

What is the Meaning of a life that is full of Suffering ,Trouble and Confusion

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That is what it means to enter into God's Curse.

2) Thou shalt not kill, even if thy own self.

yeshuasfootstep:
...Lies like Jacob not having relationship with the two wives which I debunk using Genesis 29:30
That is how it suppose to be.

Which I showed that you were wrong for as the evidence showed, he did not have sex (consummate) the marriage with Leah until after his marriage to Rachel, in proof of his lack of consent of given Leah.

And you could not counter this.

So, you are indeed Satan's advocate here to kill and destroy.