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AyakaDunukofia:
The lawyer shouldn't have interrupted the ruling regardless of his reasons. It is against the principles of court proceedings.

Nope, it is within the principles of proceedings that the Court should not be allowed to make any errors, omissions or mistake!

westfield:
Why do people come up here and write rubbish without understanding how LAW works.......why should a mere lawyer challenge a magistrate is that what he was taught in law school ........why couldnt he wait and challenge the decision somewhere else........abeg dont be unfortunate

The work of The Law is to Uphold Rightness and Prevent Errors. Error is not Rightness!

7wonder:
In the instant case, the magistrate can be an accuser and a judge at the same time..that's the law. The procedure is to put the lawyer in the dock to explain the reason for his actions and if he doesn't give cogent reasons why he acted that way, the magistrate has the power to sentence him to prison. The post didn't really capture whether that procedure took place or not but I believe the lawyer couldn't give cogent reasons for his actions hence the sentence. That is contempt proceedings for you. In the lawyer's case, it was committed right in front of the judge which makes it difficult for the lawyer. Pleas from other counsel in Court cannot even avail him because emotions are not considered in law. Bless.

He had cogent reasons to attack the judge, to wit "corruption of the judiciary" a privilege and defence he could have enjoyed in the 80s but not today.

They are open to accusations!

7wonder:
I wouldn't say the Magistrate is wicked. Just to teach the lawyer a lesson because most lawyers do not respect the bench.

Wrong! A Judge can not be allowed to make an Error and in these days of errors, the lawyer's action is very understandable, thus, there is lesson to be taught here but an infliction of Injury.

Why the injury? Your guess is the same with mine if you want to be truthful!

kingjooo:
you are absolutely correct,contempt of court is a judicial power bestowed on a trial judge/magistrate to punish whoever obstruct normal court proceedings.Judges don't normally listen to pleas whenever they exercise dis powers,it serve as detriment to others.To be a migistrate is not a day job.

Yeah, judges of unrightness!

castiello:
Not I will advise you visit court proceedings regularly to understand how the law works, in the eye of the law no emotions they only follow what the law says, many time prosecutors and IPO are sent to jail for lack of competence even unlooker who don’t conduct themselves in court also visit prison regularly this is the law and Emotions is not involved for you to deliver justice you must see facts

You are talking about when a Court has conducted itself Rightly but when it does not, An offence is Committed and a Cry is let out!

And the Courts is the place where No Offence can and should be committed!

Fuckingmallam45:
Judiciary is an important pillar of democracy. If people are allowed to get away with disobeying or scandalizing the courts, it will not be possible for the Judiciary to function effectively. Therefore, we have a Contempt of Courts Act, 1971.

2. Contempt of court is of two types: (1) Civil Contempt, and (2) Criminal Contempt. Civil contempt means disobedience of any judgment or the order of the court given in an individual case. Criminal Contempt means scandalizing or lowering the dignity of the court, or interfering with or obstructing the administration of justice. Criminal contempt is taken more seriously by the courts, while in case of civil contempt the offender is generally let off if he obeys the order already given by the court and shows his regrets.

3. Punishment for contempt of court is six months imprisonment or fine up to 200,000or both. Only High Court and Supreme Court can punish for their own contempt or the contempt of a lower court. Thanks!!!

Bag of Cow Filth! If A Court does what is Right and Good All the Time, No One, I Repeat, No One will Disrespect it.

And if No one will disrespect it, then all these Chicken Excrement you put up there will not be necessary!

Barrywilly:
It was wrong for the lawyer to be interrupting the magistrate while delivering his ruling. The best option is to appeal the ruling on the basis of his perceived wrongs. He deserved what he got even though it was wrong for the magistrate to take law into his own hand. You cannot be an accuser and the judge at the same time.

It was not wrong because The Courts should not make errors and should not be allowed to make any, thus, if and when there are errors it is only reasonable for counsel to point it out for quick correction.

But it was treacherous for the lawyer to go that far but I understand, given these wicked times which the magistrate would have understood except that he also complacent!

Queenlovely:
it is normal.

It is called.contempt of court.

do you know what it means to be a judge? I have been close to major judges in Nigeria and know their stress.

Nigerians are very stubborn people, we don't obey law or follow process.

even abroad they jail lawyers for contempt of court.

This has nothing to do with stubbornness as reported for the magistrate did not listen to the pleas, meaning he did not act "Bonafide" which clearly means that he was Guilty of what the lawyer saw.

And looking at the severity of the punishment, it is very loud!

BigSarah:
is that legal? No physical assault....

It is not! Just that the illegality would have first been perpetrated before it is corrected!

Omihanifa:
the story is looking as if the magistrate used the available opportunity to take his own pound of flesh for an old beef

It is because the lawyer caught him in the act and raised alarm!

livingchrist:
I apologise if I misunderstood you

It's fine, I understand the difficulty of accepting new information coming from unknown and unrecognised quarters for I am certain you and others will have no difficulty accepting this same information if it was offered by the Adeboye's, Oyedepo's and co with their SAN's in tow.

It's the way of the peoples of the world!

livingchrist:
But since you mean paul was talking about the original law,
Paul said no man can be justified by it, it means the law is so holy that no flesh can fulfill its demands.

That is why I told you that you are interpreting Paul's Statement Wrongly because you are reading it with your ordinary knowledge of basic English, meanwhile Paul is A Lawyer and His Writing is A LEGAL DOCUMENT!

Let me go pick up the Legal Interpretation from the thread with Ken4Christ where I attempted presenting the layman's interpretation juxtaposed with the Legal Interpretation for you to decide which of the 2 interpretations would be the mind of Paul when he wrote his letters!

Let me show you the Law interpretations of those key statements you hold

Ken4Christ:
11. Galatians 3:10-13

- "...no man is justified by the law..."

Legal Interpretation, "If you do not abide by The Law, how can you be justified by it?

Meaning, how can you raise it up as your Defence?

Surely, that is Impossible, for it would not avail you eg a person who has not fulfilled the law on the practice of medicine will not have the defence of being a Medical Doctor!

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become DEAD TO THE LAW by the BODY OF CHRIST

Means you do not care about The Law! The Law no dey touch your soul and you can not be bothered about it, to simply put it!

Thus, legally it means you have put away The Law from affecting your soul exactly as a person who does not care about the Covid-Protocols, what shall happen to such a one when he is caught breaking it?

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:6 But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held;

Interpretation! You are delivered and saved from not "Feeling" The LAW (The Dead do not feel), To Now Feeling the Presence and Power of The Law!

Legally meaning you are now Sensitive to The Presence and Effect of The Law!

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth

Interpretation: Christ is The Goal of The Law (End in Law means Goal, Aim or Destination!!

Ken4Christ:
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace.

When you come to Romans 6 you get to learn about Laws of Sins of which the class actually started at Romans 3.

Thus, this verse is in Direct Reference to The Law of Sin and Death which All Law breakers must fall Under, but when ye keep The Law, and ye do it's Righteousness, ye are passed over and above The Law of Sin and death into eternal Life!

This is The Law Interpretations of those Statements and it's understanding thereof!

So compare your Ordinary English interpretation with this Legal Interpretations, which do you think will be the most appropriate and Truth-full view which Lawyer Paul must have in mind when he wrote those letters?

FatherOfJesus:
You want to test a null set?
Do you have a brain at all?

I do have an information processing facility.

And by your Statement Above, You have Just Admitted The Truth of the Non-existence of Your Allegation for Everything in Existence, is EVIDENCED.

While I have given The EVIDENCE of the Existence of He Who we call God, Who is One, not "One out of the many" as if He has other gods who are His neighbours and as you wrongly demanded. Nope, He is God Over All, By Himself, A-LONE or A-ONE!

And you could not rebut it save for the funny further error of saying "Nature is No Proof"!

If Nature is No Proof, then Proof does not exist for, for Proof to exist, then it must be in existence and if it is in existence, then it can be Proven

Which is why I laid that the "Proof of Sight is the True Description of that which is Seen and the others examples I supplied.

This is The Proof that is Supplied by "Nature"!

Ken4Christ:
Yes, there were some elements of grace before the Law of Moses was given but not in the same sense we have it now.

The grace that is revealed now brings complete redemption from the power of darkness and it qualifies everyone who embraces it to become the sons of God.

I thank you for saying the Truth and Admitting that indeed there was "Grace" even if you choose to make it sound too little in saying "elements"!

However, we all do know that the "Graces" exhibited to Abraham, Moses, David, Rebellious Israelites ARE NO LITTLE OR SMALL GRACES!

For, from the beginning of the Bible to the end thereof, without change and without fail "Grace" is Always been inclusive of Mercies, Special Favours, Grants and Permissions, Assistance and Allowances, Special Status and Standings, Immunity from Prosecution and Condemnation, Personal Protection, Forgiveness, any and every Good Thing that can be obtained from The Lord!

livingchrist:
Didnt you say that paul was not talking of the original law given to moses?
But you are changing it now,

The Records up here bear witness to what I said and what I did not say.

And you got the information I was passing hence, you pursued the reasonable questions which proceeded out of my answer until now.

So right now what I see is you attempting to take me back to my earlier statements with an untrue alteration for I never said "paul was not talking of the original law given to moses?" Whereas I clearly said "Paul was keeping in View, To wit- God's Laws, it's Application, Consequences and the Judgements thereof!"

If you have another angle towards my statement, it is only right and just that you lay my own words, the way I stated it, rather than alter it and present the alteration, as mine, that is unfair and a Fraud!

livingchrist:
what you are saying is nonsense, you don't need to be a lawyer to interpret God's law, that is what the devil has deceived you to believe.

Yes, like you do not need to be a Medical Doctor to Practice Medicine or anyone can just go into a Court to Defend Accused of having commited An Offence!

I have laid before you and all, your ordinary English interpretation of the Writings of Paul's interpretation of which you already have and the different Legal Interpretation of those same writings, which of them most accurately connects The Word of The Lord from The beginning since Noah, The Law of The Prophets and the Prophecy of Christ and The Personal Affirmation of All these Things by Christ Jesus, REMEMBERING ANOTHER LAW OF GOD "I AM THE LORD, I CHANGE NOT!" without any reasonable doubt and question!

For i have already poked holes which ye are not able to fill in and with your ordinary English interpretation whereas, ye are not able to rebut my Legal interpretation rather you are repeating what has already been shredded As Proven Below!

livingchrist:
Paul was very clear in his teachings, the law cannot make anyone righteous, if you are contending with this, then you are an apostate

Hence, the beginnings of a re-argument and why I said Carpenter's reading and interpreting Doctor's Notes!

And the re-presentation of a Destroyed Ground of Belief is Always a Clear Proof that, that belief is Unfounded and Does Not Form part of The Unbreakable Truth of God Established Forever!

For The Truth of The Lord Grows Stronger with Attack and weakens not!

LordReed:
Yes your god is a nonchalant absentee creator who doesn't give a flying rat's arse if people are suffering and dying, we get it.

Just as you do not care about the viruses running around in your laptop, phones, TVs etc disturbing many softwares snd hardwares and even Killing some of them, inside these things,

Therefore, by your answer you have no further reasonable questions and thus, it is settled!

Golden6:
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Christians, I don't want to see any bible verse unless you begin with an explanation to
Exodus 12:29...

I am certain you know all the other answers leading to my present answer which is, surely you do know that in Every Challenge of Might and Power, the Winner is the One who Crushes his Challenger, right?

Therefore, crushing first born sons is even kindness, for if it was me, when I fight a challenger I desire to crush him utterly!

Golden6:
Exodus 32:26-28

The Explanation starts from verse 7
"And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, HAVE CORRUPTED THEMSELVES:

8 THEY HAVE TURNED ASIDE QUICKLY OUT OF THE WAY WHICH I COMMANDED THEM: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, AND SAID, THESE BE THY GODS, O ISRAEL, WHICH HAVE BROUGHT THEE UP OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT.

Surely you must know The Fury of when a certain person transferred your due to another person and in this case, it was not even another person but a certain iron chair.

So I ask, would you be peaceful if a chair is raised up and proclaimed to be better than you by a person who you saved from trouble eg giving a job to certain person who then expressly declates in your face that you did nothing but that it was the chair a carpenter made which gave him the job?

Golden6:
Numbers 16:49

Starts from Verse 1, particularly verses 2 & 3 "250 People (an event centre of Big people like Tinubu, Buhari, Lie Mu!) gathered themselves together AGAINST MOSES.

They Made Pharaoh's Mistake!

Golden6:
1kings 20:35...

As the Centurion said to The Lord "I am a man Under Authority! I say to one, Go! and he goes and to another, Come! And he comes "

Woe to him that does not hearken to The Word of Authority for the Smited Prophet had informed the prophet that it Was The Word of The Lord, but he disobeyed and did not listen!

LordReed:
It's not Buhari's fault that Boko Haram is ravaging the country but it is his responsibility to solve the issue.

That is the Difference between A Creator and his creations vs. creations and creations.

It is Always at the Pleasure, instance and Right of A Creator to attend to the needs of a creation exactly as it is Only when it pleases you to fix and repair your damaged car, phone or laptop that you would exercise your power over it!

Unlike creations to creations, Buhari is like an Alternator who does not have a choice but to charge the battery and power all the components of the vehicle called Nigeria, It is his True Job!

sonmvayina:
I have checked, and cant find it...please can you state them here, for the benefit of me and others viewing this thread...Please.

That is a lot of work to dig through but you ought to have them in your posts!

I"ll check when I can!

livingchrist:
Good if there is only one law, why are you trying to add another law to it?

Mbok, Biko which law did I make that I am adding to it? Is it my law? Am not I repeating The Law God Issued?

I know you know the Truth that I laid, you only simply wish to reject it, as the people of Israel rejected God's Laws given through Moses, as is your right, but it is not necessary that you should bend my words and my intentions out of context simply because you do not wish to accept it.

livingchrist:
You basking in ignorance thinking you are knowledgeable, the one law which paul was talking about is God's law, it cannot justify a man.

I get it, a non-lawyer interpreting a legal document just as a carpenter is also an expert in interpreting a doctor's prescription and recommendation!

Ken4Christ:
If you are born again, you will know that we are living in the dispensation of grace..

Therefore, ye say that God was not Grace-full or Gracious, in the days past before His Visitation to the world.

See, how you know too little? For Grace Always Follows God!

Is this not God's Grace in Action, if you shall Concede Truly?

I Call on my first Witness 1) Abraham - Genesis 18: 23-32
"Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake

Was The Lord not Gracious to Abraham?

Witness 2) Moses; Exodus 32:7 -14
7 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

9 And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

11 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?

14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Did not Moses on behalf of the unruly people of Israel get the Graciousness of The Lord?

Witnesses 3) David
The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
Psalm 103:8

It is Written "The mercy of the LORD is from EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;"

FatherOfJesus:
That’s how faulty your logic is, anybody can claim whatever they want. The most important thing is providing testable methods to ascertain whatever claim you hold

You have said The Truth here, that is "anybody can claim whatever they want."

Then you have said and laid The Measurement of Proof of Truth in saying Most Truly that "The most important thing is Providing TESTABLE METHODS (Verifiable Methods) to ascertain whatever claim you hold"

And is there any Testable Method Greater than Nature?

No, there isn't for by Nature the Proof of Sight is the True Description of that which is Seen, The Proof of hotness is the "Ouch" or "Burn". The proof of Wetness is the soaking or presence of liquid, The Proof of Creator is the creation!

FatherOfJesus:
Nature is not proof for your god, nature can exist with or without your god!

Now you have made an allegation requiring Proof for you allege that "Nature is not proof" which requires explanation of how "Nature is not a Proof or can not be a Proof" which you have failed to establish?

Further you make a second allegation requiring proof of how you Truly know that "Nature can exist with or without your god" and on reasonable consideration, this question will completely depart from the present issue in focus, so I reasonable think that this issue should have its own thread of its own separate from the present line of consideration!

FatherOfJesus:
Can you disprove it if I say the nature was created not by your god but by the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

This is an Enquiry into a Fresh Matter and not a rebuttal of my Answer, so it should properly have a thread of its own!

Therefore, on the whole you have not yet rebutted my answer rather you have made your own allegations which is not rebuttal because of want of Proof of Established Truth which you did not supply any Proof at all, not talk of it being an Established Proof!

Secondly you, you did not rebut my answer rather you have given me Another Fresh and Independent Matter to Disprove which is not a rebuttal but rather an Admission and Acceptance of my Answer, with a desire for further knowledge!

debaj10:
what were u guilty of?

Ye who Accused Another know not ye, what you Accused?

KNOWMORE56:
You are doing great concerning the the Law...
and it is noble to give attention to lawyers when it comes to law

Thanks for the appreciation, For Everything in and under this world is Law'd!

HellVictorinho:
Repititions.

1 + 1 is 2 and TRUE my son, so it must be repeated, when demanded!

Thanks for the ban! I did not know that a friendly teaae to alternate Monika or your Twin killgod could resort to a ban but it was still a great yesterday for me!

FatherOfJesus:
where is the evidence that your god and not another person’s god created the universe?

The Proof is Natural Evidence, that is Evidence Seen in Nature which Clearly depicts The Law that "A creation is Created by "One" Person Creator, called The Creator (not Creators).

I answered this way so as to be all embracing and forestall long and unnecessary angles you may wish to bring opposition for even if many parts of the creation were so created by many other creative participants, it would Still Be At The Command and Orders of ONE GREAT ONE!

And Only One Great One has Claimed Ownership and Possession of this Mighty House and Environment called the Universe with No other contesting ownership, much like you have claimed ownership and possession of your car with no other person contesting it!

KNOWMORE56:
I still maintain that
KEN4CHRIST IS CORRECT,
DTRUTHSPEAKER IS MORE CORRECT and
GOD IS MOST CORRECT.

The laws of Moses have ritual/ceremonial laws, moral laws and the ten commandments.
The ten commandments is dividend into 2: duty to God ( i.e 1 - 4) and duty to humanity ( i.e 5 - 10) Exodus 20: 1- 17.

Moral laws e.g if you find your neighbors lost goods return them (restitution), don't ill-treat your house maids/ employees, etc: Exodus 21 and 22;

Now, the ritual laws which involve killing of animals to appease God's wrath against sin have been completely done away with.

But God does not cancel things just like that, He gave Jesus as the lamb for this ritual...
this sacrifice (the lamb) is still before Him up till now that's why He relieves us of animals sacrifices - revelation 5:6....

The Bible says that the blood of these animals could not bring lasting solution to the problem of sin... Hebrews 9: 10-15; 10: 1-10;
All the places you have been quoting up and down are pointing at the sacrifices for sin....

What I understand as the grace of God IS THE POWER OF GOD GIVEN TO HUMANITY TO ENABLE THOSE WHO BELIEVE DO/ OBEY THE WORD OF GOD OR THE LAW OF GOD, WHICH ON THEIR (humanity) OWN THEY WILL FAIL...

Another important point is that we are saved to keep the laws ( not rituals laws)
but they were to keep the laws to be safe or saved....

When they failed, they used animals sacrifice to appease God's wrath, but when we fail, we have an advocate with the Father....1 John 2:1

This is Sweet! This is very Sweeet! Complete, Wholistic and Truthful Analysis!

Save for the little "ken4christ is correct" part for my contention with him was based on the untruthful ground that he said The Law has been put away and dispensed with which he does not know that legally it means "man is living outside The Law, therefore man is living lawlessly". [Is this the message Lawyer Paul gave and should give?]

Which further means that The New Law he proposes that The Lord made is A Law of Lawless living.

And based on The Law of Lawless living, "No man can be condemned and all are justified."

Thus, I lay before everyone soul here, "is this True? Is man living outside and beyond Law" ? is it possible for man to ever be put beyond the scope of Law? Was man put beyond the hands of The Law?

Did The Lord Jesus Christ proclaim a New Law of Lawless living as Ken4Christ implied?

These are the questions that ken4Christ has not averted his mind to consider since it is not within his purview to ponder about The Law, it's Power, it's Reach and it's Consequences (where the lay man says it's effects)!

BaddieFreak:
God really wasn’t joking with the you’ll toil the earth and whatnot, damn bruh, that was Adam and Eve. I didn't even like no damn apples and I fucking run from snakes, ease up on this suffering big man.

Because of The Law of "After its own kind"

Thus, A Snake must birth a snake, A Sickler must birth A Sickler and A Sinner must birth a Sinner!

Therefore what happens to One Must happen to all!

Bgene:
Comprehend please. l was trying to make a point that l am a better father than God the father who is assumed to love us more than we love ourselves.

you thought you were, only for you to have done the very same thing which you Accuse Him of!

HellVictorinho:
Boring.

Much less than your much often chant!

You may say it so much that you may have an opportunity to "Trade mark" it!

Bgene:
What kind of a father watches as a snake crawl close to his child even if the snake is assumed harmless?

I destroy anything that stands to hurt my kids and I can't even say l am good father. Fatherhood taught me to disbelieve the whole fall of Adam and origin of human suffering theory in the book of Genesis.

See how you have cancelled yourself? First you say

"What kind of a father watches as a snake crawl close to his child even if the snake is assumed harmless?

Then you selfcide in saying
"I destroy anything that stands to hurt my kids" meaning, if it is not going to hurt your kids by your estimation, you would not do anything about it, Exactly as God Did to Adam and Eve!