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Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:13pm On Jun 17, 2020
petra1:
It’s by the agency of the Holy Spirit we got born again . And the Bible made us to know it’s spirit baptism .

1 Corinthians 12:13
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body. .


I’ve been getting it back every day but I get banned every day and without explanation . I observed now that I get banned specifically every time I make post in the oyedepo succession Thread . So I no Dey go there again . B
Based on the scripture quoted it's clearer but I think it could be very Misleading to say Holy Spirit Baptism and Infilling, for there is Only One Holy Spirit, and Everything pertaining to It, is Always in Its Holy Hand

Hence my confusion and query! Thanks for the clear up.

grin abi make Oyedepo take care of himself!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:05pm On Jun 17, 2020
CodeTemplar:
I have read a good part of that book and Robert liardon is just a proxy. The stories and experiences referenced in it aren't his ideas but a compilation of events in the lives of God's Generals or Great men of the faith. It would be wrong to pitch the author against the Bible here. Smith Wigglesworth too never realized he lacked the Holy Ghost been but was doing quite fine too until he realized he needed the baptism of the Holy Ghost. That doesn't make the author a liar.
Honestly, I was not calling him a liar for I don't know him.

My Interest is that All Should and Must Take Heed (if you love your soul) that ye be NOT Deceived.

It is a Warning Re-Sounding Throughout the Bible since Christ said it in New Testament.

Beware of False Prophets, Beware of False Prophets!!!

I say, Stick to the Bible, Only, (Not books, not Preachers, Not Church) it Is A Sure Safety, Especially as the Last Days Are Upon Us.

This is my Stand Always and it will Never Change.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:55pm On Jun 17, 2020
Dannyfan:
ok.
But did you know that the story of Jesus might not convince some one? And the story of believers of Christ can minister and reveal who Christ is to a disbeliever?
Thanks for all your responses and the possible coming ones.
If the story of Jesus and the witnesses of those who were with Him can not convince you, then you are Ripe for the Plucking and a Willing Candidate for Deceivers.

You would surely be very lucky, not to be Deceived, which Christ has warned us shall be prevalent and shall Only get very worse in the last days which of course, we are in Even Right NOW!!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:45pm On Jun 17, 2020
hoopernikao:
Based on the bold above.
If the Holy Spirit only comes after a pure and acceptable baptism.

Who then do the acceptable baptism
. I mean who and how do you receive your acceptable baptism without the holyghost. I will appreciate if you layout scriptures when responding.
First, it should be appreciated that, No One Brings Upon Themselves the Holy Spirit and No One can do so.

The Holy Spirit Comes of Its Own Will on a Chosen Person and Not Any person Taking UP the Holy Spirit as though It were a Cloth that can be taken up.

This is what informed my own opinion and it is supported by several scriptures Acts 10:2 and 44-48. Acts 8:12-17 Simon here too, was baptized like the rest but he did not receive the Holy Spirit. Why? Verse 21-23 gives us the answer.

It is easily possible to be baptized but one shall never have the Holy Spirit. Why? As Paul put it in Romans 2:28/29 "... and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter (or form).

Which I followed in saying that Baptism is not outwardly in the water as circumcision is not in the flesh but "but baptism in the heart and in the spirit."

hoopernikao:
Secondly, you may need to check your theology about tongues ones again with a lot of proper and critical view.
First, I study no Theology, I Only Love The Lord and I therefore Study His Ways, Which in Goodness, He Has Revealed!

For the Lord Himself, spoke in Clear Precise Language and not Once do we hear a strange speech in all of His Teachings.

The Lord Himself showed us by Clear Examples, Physical Things Explaining the Spiritual Things He Taught, Always. And not once is there any Spiritual Thing which can not be explained by a physical Replica. E.g "The Kingdom of God can be Likened to .. " or "Which one of you..."

Thus, while the meaning of Tongues in the physical Clearly and undisputably means Languages, Native Dialect and means of communication from one person to another, No Supporter of the idea of Ble-bleble is able to ground or justify their spiritual concept of Speaking in Tongues, Physically, for Perfect Understanding Purposes. No, not One.

And this is an Anomaly I see, which is not found anywhere in the Teachings that Christ Taught us.

Therefore, those who came up with this Ble-bleble, ought to Convincingly Prove what they say.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Facts In These Last Days by Dtruthspeaker: 8:04pm On Jun 17, 2020
Kobojunkie:
I have no idea what the meaning of your post is, or what it has to do with what I typed. Anyways, If you are referring to what I posted, I meant what I said.
In the name of providing an "interpretation" to John's vision... a dream that was not meant for many of you to do any of that, the majority have reduced Christianity to a smorgasbord of false teachers and half-truths, leading many into idolatry.
Okay! You are saying for you, the Book of Revelation is a "Dream". Okay, I understand now that it is just your own Wish!

Wish on!

If wishes were horses, Okoko people go don dey Banana Island before now.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:55pm On Jun 17, 2020
Dannyfan:
He never termed any thing. What I'm confused about is in their (God's generals') account, most of the ministers before speaking in tongue performed healing, deliverance etc. Let me site an example like Sumrall Lester account: he saw vision when he was in a sickbed (at a very tender age) to either preach the gospel or die. He accepted to preach. In his meetings many were saved, healed, delivered etc. Subsequently, he had the impression that he is not yet baptism of the holyspirit because of his sister spiritual gift. He cried out to God who called him concerning receiving the holyspirit and God answer his prayer and he was baptized of the holyspirit with evidence of speaking in tongue. My questions now are;
1. Was it that he had no holyspirit then before being baptized?
2. Was it that he received the holyspirit without being baptized?
3. Then my main question
thank u as u reply
Are you seeing the beginning of confusion? When you were in school, Whose Report did you believe, Your Classmates Notes or the Textbook?

So it is here, how can a book written by a man be greater than the books written by Men, who were Taught by the Lord Himself?

And you want us to Review the a work written by another man over and against the Bible? Never!

It should not be considered and I won't review his actions. I am not his Judge, his Judge is coming.

If you love Life and your Soul, throw that book Away and Stick to the Bible Only!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:36pm On Jun 17, 2020
Dannyfan:
Thank you for the prompt reply. Sir, it's not about speaking in tongue or performing healing deliverance, I'm not even fervent in the spirit like that. I am trying to convince my doubting faith by studying the life of past ministers of God.
Sir you can check the comment I quoted above for better understanding of my question.
Error 1) From the time of Paul, till now and till Judgement Day, False Prophets shall abound. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

And Christ warned us that they shall do signs and wonders also, so how are you going to identify them or know them using healings and deliverances? Twice did Christ say take heed that no Man deceive you. Mathew 24:4 and 11.

Also see the warning in Mathew 7:22 and note verse 23.

The Only Way You Can Safely Learn the Truth about the the Word of God is Do All that is written in the Bible, praying for your own understanding of it, and whatever your understanding of the words, Make Your Own Mistakes, So That You Can Correct Them For Yourself!

This is the Only Safe Way I know that you can use to Increase your Knowledge of God.

And I just read 1 Timothy 1:5- Practice understanding the Practical Use of that Knowledge for in that statement is the beginning and end of all Bible knowledge!
Christianity Etc › Re: If A Baby Dies Will He/She Go To Heaven Or Hell? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:02pm On Jun 17, 2020
Acehart:
Earlier in the week, a Nigerian Magistrate decided to disqualify charges against a 15-year-old girl detained after killing a man who had attempted to rape her.




A just judge attends to every case according to its individual merits. If God is a just judge, He must deal with each person according to their individual merits.

When an infant dies, the destination of that infant is Heaven, instantly. Sin, age of accountability and predestination are the parameters are usually the parameters many of us stumble when we try to provide an answer for this very important question. It is only the scriptures that can provide a comforting answer to the anguish many have felt concerning the final destiny of their dead babies.

Let us see the nature of the Judge:

1. God’s thoughts are precious (Psalm 139)

2. God knows everything about us in details before our conception (Psalm 139, Jer. 1).

3. God is a personal creator, He made each baby (Isaiah 46).

4 God regards children; in Ezekiel 16, the Lord describes How he picked up the Israelites as if they were a infant abandoned in the field; He uses Israel to show us that all infants are His children (Ezekiel 16:20) - He loves all of them (Luke 18:16). He rebuked Jonah for praying for damnation of those could not discern their left hand and the right: little children and those mentally incapable of making right judgements.

You may ask when does a child stop being a child, and become accountable? When you consider the nature of everyone, the question should not be about “age of accountability” but the “condition of the individual”; a 30 years old person with down syndrome is “mentally a child”.

All children are unique in their development and exposure to the truth; so, a righteous judge has to consider these conditions. There is nowhere in the Bible where there is a stipulated “age of accountability”; so you have to take your eyes off the calendar. Only God knows the age of accountability.

Any child who hasn’t reached the point of moral culpability, to convincingly understand the difference between sin and salvation, will proceed to Heaven when such a child passes away
Oh, you saw that judgement too? All similar cases ought to follow that path including the lawyer accused of killing her husband.

What think ye?

By the way, beautiful breakdown up there!
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Facts In These Last Days by Dtruthspeaker: 6:05pm On Jun 17, 2020
Kobojunkie:
If the book of Revelation had been removed from the Bible, Christianity would have been much tidier than it is today. grin
Africans, especially Nigerians and their shying Away from Taking Responsibility. Always rather choosing to attempt escape from liability (which puts them into more liability plus Trouble) instead of Choosing to Excell over any matter.

Fear of Revelations- After Defecating, Ruining and Abusing A Persons House, you would prefer that the Owner of the House, just sits down and cries over the destruction and decay of His Beautiful House and do Nothing To People He put inside to Enjoy it and Take Care of it!

You Will Never Do That and No Man who values and cherises the reward of his labours, would stand idle by!

There Must Be Retribution, hence the Revealing of Revelation is Good Kindness, for none of you would give advance warning to anyone who destroys your cherished Property, what you shall do to them. Oh, no eye hath seen nor ear heard what you shall do to your driver who even destroyed your Benz
Christianity Etc › Re: Christian Facts In These Last Days by Dtruthspeaker: 5:43pm On Jun 17, 2020
Savoirfaire:
Christian facts in these last days

- We are living perilous times and many fail to acknowledge the Truth of the Word of God for various reasons, either because they want to continue to operate in their darkness and wickedness without being detected and/or they somehow think they can combine wickedness with Christianity and still be saved (Matthew 7:22), thereby maintaining their strong delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11).

- Anyone who is constantly seeing into the spirit realm, performing witchcraft and can divinate has nothing to do at all with Christianity, even though they may have a form of godliness, such are already operating with the mark of the beast. This is needless to say, but has to be said again for those who maintain their strong delusion that they can combine darkness and true Light.

- The lying wonders of satan which gives many people powers to do all sorts including telepathy, witchcraft manipulation, astral projection, divination, and many other grievous sins is already a mark of damnation, let no man deceive his or herself in this regard. Thorough repentance and deliverance is required for such people ASAP.

- These said people described above are much more numerous than is apparent, they operate in secrecy, deceiving and being deceived. If some of them truly believe that they are Christians (strong delusion), then they are in for a shocking surprise when Jesus Christ returns to judge the world (Luke 21:35).

- Wickedness and Christianity are not compatible in any way, shape or manner. This cannot be overemphasized, because some can even go as far as calling themselves pastors and what not, but they are secretly operating with the power of satan and they have a different master. Many of them will find out in the end (in case they’re in strong delusion) that God does not know them (Matthew 7:22).

- Many of these evils will seem to go on unchecked, many of these children of darkness will become more confident in their evil, and true Christians will continue to be persecuted (it has already begun both spiritually and physically). This will only continue because it is not yet time, the day of reckoning has not yet come, but it will surely come, Jesus Christ will return at a time when no man knows, to judge the world. The only way to be ready for His return is to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ – You cannot claim to believe if you have not repented from the works of darkness! Don’t be caught unawares.

- Just because you’re able to bewitch a true Christian and temporarily scatter their holiness into a way that doesn’t seem well (Revelation 13:7), does not mean much, as a matter of fact there is still hope for even you who is persecuting another’s soul, how much more for the afflicted who falls seven times but will always rise again. There’s a huge gulf of difference between being afflicted and poor in spirit with a failing heart as a Christian, and someone who is intentionally doing evil, carefully seeking out and strategizing against their prey spiritually and physically, these are children of darkness whether they choose to accept it or not. Intent is key.

- The testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy. Let he that hath ear, let him hear – Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand.

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation” (Romans 10:9-10)

“And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.” (1 John 3:23).
When are Christ Followers going to get These Things Must Happen? Do you not still understand the Power and Knowledge of God?

That One Idiot Somewhere Must Betray the Christ, The Stupid Pharisees, Scribes and Sadducees Must Kill the Lord? That Haters of God would no longer be hating in Private But Must Declare to the Public their Hatred of Him? 1 Timothy 4:1-2 and 2 Timothy 2:1-5 and13. And continually repeated in other books of the Bible.
Christianity Etc › Re: Life Does Not Exist! Don't Read This If You Are Religious by Dtruthspeaker: 5:29pm On Jun 17, 2020
CyberEBOLA:
I HAVE ALSO LIVED BEFORE, I WAS NELSON MANDELA.

NONSENSE!
grin grin grin Hahahaha, Hoooh!

Who was I now Ehen, I Was Job in my former life!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:23pm On Jun 17, 2020
petra1:
Holy spirit baptism is salvation. While receiving the Holy spirit is infilling
Never heard this one before! Which one is Holy Spirit Baptism and Holy Spirit infilling?

I see you got your Petra1 back! Congrats!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:10pm On Jun 17, 2020
Dannyfan:
Thanks... But I don't seem to understand much the comment. Lemme reframe the question for you. What's the drive in speaking in tongue when you are already been used for healing, deliverance etc.
thanks as you reply
I really do not understand your question here, because, first your posted question about Receiving the Holy Spirit and Baptism of the Holy Spirit was strange (I've never heard that before) so I answered based on the fact that in the Bible, the Understanding of Baptism is different from the Knowledge and Power of the Holy Spirit, and they can not be mixed up as your post appears to do.

Secondly, could you disclose your True Interest because it appears to me that you are only interested in Acquiring The Lord's Power for healing and deliverance, As Simon the Sorcerer wished to purchase the power of the Holy Spirit?

Or is it about Speaking in Languages (Tongues)?

It would be easier to answer if you could speak precisely.
Christianity Etc › Re: Are Christians The Only One To Make Heaven? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:20pm On Jun 17, 2020
Pay Attention to details when you read the Bible, No One is going to Heaven!

Heaven is Always attached to the Earth like Husband and Wife, Needle and Thread, key and Padlock!

The Promise is the Kingdom of God, No More Rule By Men.

The Destination is A NEW HEAVEN and A NEW EARTH!

Pay Attention to Details!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Receiving The Holy Spirit Different From Baptism Of The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:09pm On Jun 17, 2020
Baptism refers to the Washing of Your Body and Soul, That is A Bath to wash all your dirts (Sins and Offences) Away.

The Pouring and Receiving of the Holy Spirit can be likened to the Rubbing of an Ointment (which you can not do to yourself), A Holy Ointment on Both Your Body and Soul, As well as the "Clothing" of Your Body and Soul.

In other words the Holy Spirit Only Comes After a Pure And Acceptable Baptism, which itself Also Only Comes After A Pure And Truthful Repentance and in that Order

Also, do not be Misled and Deceived, Speaking in Tongues, in Bible Always refered to Speaking in Languages (English, Igbo, Swahili etc).

By the Bible Definition, Tongues Always Means Languages, not the ble-bleble! as in Translyvania Cartoon or singing Bonethugs N Harmony songs! grin

Also why are you interested in performing healings? Is it your desire to play God? Remember, God Always Sees and Knows Your Thoughts, Even Before they become yours!

And if your thoughts are not Pure And True and Good, the Holy Spirit Will Never Come Neither would your Baptism be Pure nor your Repentance Acceptable!

They All Work Together as A Single Unit!
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:48am On Jun 17, 2020
Maximus69:
The OP

What Happens To Us When We Die?

God's word ~ At death creatures sieze to exist!
Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 9:5-10; 12:8
I have already addressed OP that the Ecclesiastes he quoted is Directed At what Must Happen to All Those who Do Not Walk with God or even Do Not Listen to Him!

Maximus69:
So what is the benefit of Godliness?
Mmany! Many-Manies! More than the sands in the sea!

Maximus69:
Adam showed lack of appreciation for life that's why he returned to dust but those who proved to be faithful to the end will be given everlasting life.
smiley That's what people have not seen But I Truly Have Found It. Everlasting Life starts from Here in This life you have and as long as you don't lose It, it would Never leave you! The Disciplines Found it, that's why they Spoke the Way they do, Paul Found it, David Did, that's why he wrote Psalms and Proverbs, All the Lovers of God, Found It, and they Found It while they were Still living in this House (World).

Maximus69:
when there is no more evil!
Romans 6:23 compare to Psalms 37:9-11

God bless you! smiley
Checked the scriptures supplied and you are still Proving my Point, that Eternal Life Starts Here!
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:20am On Jun 17, 2020
bright007:
Oh! Your sky daddy also does show off just as mere mortals. shocked


Why will he wanna show off to people who simply wants audience to verify he his real
grin oh Bright Stap It! grin, stap tickling me grin

It's too sweeet talking to you!

Don't you know that my Father is the King of Show Off too? grin

WE LOVE SHOW OFFS!!! That is One Of The Essence and Evidence of Good Living! Not bad or evil living oh! BUT REAL GOOD LIVING!!! grin

bright007:
Deep down in your mind, you know something isn't right with the narrative. I understand
I was once like you whenever christianity opposes logic and common sense , i stick with the bible. But not anymore.

You know one thing about the truth? It isnt afraid of curious minds and questions.
I have seen the light, the light of God, and I Am Having A Blast, Feasting and Partying Almost Everyday, no pain or sorrows and all the shit going on around the world, does not bother me nor affect me.

So there isn't anything Wrong with what I know And Neither have you been able to Truly Find any fault with it.

So, now that you are not able to find any fault, what you are Truly trying to wonder is how is it that I Am so Confident, and not afraid?

My Confidence comes from the fact that, like Paul and the Apostles of Christ and all the Lovers of God, I have found the Secrets of This World. The Source of Life Itself And I Live There Eating and Drinking from It!

I have Found the Foundations of the World and All The Rooms, Walls and Ceilings of it.

And I am Friends, actually a child of the Owner of This Mighty House called the World.

So there isn't anything about this world that I don't know or can't find out the Truth thereof, for my Father Truly has the Survey Plan, Building Plan, Names, Address, Description, Occupation,
Everything, Of Every soul in this House, Entering this House or Exiting it.

Don't Leave the Bible (king James Version), Let It teach you and teach you alone Until You Get it.

It knows how to Speak to you Until You Understand!

Don't Listen to Anyone's Interpretation of It (Because There Are Too Much Liars and Deceivers Out There), let It teach you by Itself.

And you make your mistakes on the interpretation of It by yourself, so that you can correct it by yourself, don't let anyone lead you or teach you, Only the Words in the Bible!

That's how I did it, and now no one can take me down.

Try again and see if what I say is not True, if Not, come back and call me a Liar, so that I can be put in Shame and to Shame!

Try it Again, I tell you, you will surely find the Rivers of Life that He Gave the People of Samaria!

ON CHRIST THE SOLID ROCK I STAND, All other grounds is Sinking Sands, All other grounds is Sinking Sands.

All other grounds are Truly Sinking Sands or They don't even Exist At All.
Family › Re: So Confused by Dtruthspeaker: 8:26am On Jun 17, 2020
Girl, you are too weak, that is your first problem. Stop being weak!

Your second boyfriend is going to be worse and he has warned you already, so don't hope in him but listen to him now and fix yourself!
Family › Re: Should I Question Ny Landlord? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:08am On Jun 17, 2020
First you can not successfully compel your landlord to provide water. So look to your convenience and do what would be good for you.

Don't look at the fact that others would enjoy your goodness but view it this way "that you are doing good to yourself and that it is also good if others share in the goodness you are bringing!

Just maybe, others including your landlord can copy your good and do same, tomorrow.

Don't choose suffering, choose enjoyment!
Travel › Re: Accident At Abule-Egba Head Bridge Along Lagos-Abeokuta Expressway (photos) by Dtruthspeaker: 5:49am On Jun 17, 2020
Make una check that picture, I no see any minivan oh!

There are only 2 vehicles kissing sorry dogging!
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:11am On Jun 17, 2020
bright007:
Christianity as a religion defies logic and common sense.

So your sky daddy wanted to show himself to his creatures then he decided to come in thunder and lightning to make them fear.
( Oh bright! smiley When your local govt chairman is passing by, don't you hear the noise? Or is it your governor, the noise and sirens? Or is it your president, noise and sirens plus whipping of people?

What do all these people have in common? They are Making A Notable Entrance! And it stopped your moment even if for a minute.

So Must the Lord and God of All the Earth, My Great great Daddy! His Entrance Must be Earth Blowing!

Your Governors use Bulbs, He Uses Lightenings! cool

Your presidents use megaphones and sirens but They Can Not Be Compared to His Thunders (even hear the name, THUNDER! it still Resounds in your mind after saying it. Ok, say it one more time, Thunder!! That's Power!!) cool cool

And That's the Kind Of Entrance A God, My Daddy, Must Must Certainly Make!!! cool grin

Hola!!!
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:46pm On Jun 16, 2020
bright007:
Is this your proof?

Cant your sky daddy make himself known?

According to your story book , he created all humans, why playing hide and seek with them?


It shouldn't be difficult to show himself to his creatures if he truly is God
cheesy oh! Come on men, I mean, women! There is no pleasing ya neither is there any satisfaction to be given to y'all, like the Israel's Children, the Pharisees and Sadducees and the Scribes.

For He Did Show Himself and from the Sky even. Remember Exodus 19:16, And when He Showed Himself, You All Quaked and Trembled Greatly that you nearly Died.

And thereafter, you Seriously Begged our Man to SERIOUSLY BEG Him not to Show Himself Again Exodus 20:19.

He Listened and granted your request.

Now, Again, you are telling Him to Show Himself Again!

See, how unstable you are?

Any way, He has Promised to Show Himself and He Promised that you shall all see Him and you must all see Him. Luke 21:27

So sit tight, strap your seatbelts, hold your popcorn and Fanta and wait for Him to Show Himself, once more.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker:
Maximus69:
DEATH and HELL have a deeper meaning Sir, note that both were thrown in the Lake of Fire (which means the second death) Revelations 20:14.
Deeper meaning? If the Lord did not tell us about a deeper meaning, it does not exist, for the Lord has taught us All that we should know and they are beyond dispute.

Of course, lake of fire means Final Death of death and yes, Second Death. Thank you for Admitting That.

So now that Second Death is settled, let's go back to the first death, for where there is a second, there must be a First.

And we are talking about the people of the first, who were eaten and swalloed up by Mr death up there, who is thrown into lake of Fire.

Good thing you said, second death for therefore you saw that first Mr death gave up all its occupants in his stomach for them to be Judged!

And presently this argument is about the dead, being able to live again, even if, just for a moment.

So my case is proved and thanks for supporting the truth of my assertion. cheesy

Maximus69:
So calm down to learn from others first not just dogmatically sticking to the false teachings of the churches that's yielding no positive results! Matthew 7:16-19 compare to James 2:18-26 smiley
I am calm and i learn directly from the Bible, and every learning I hear is Always Subject to the Clear Words of the Bible.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:49pm On Jun 16, 2020
bright007:
Wish?

It remains the truth until your sky daddy becomes bold enough to prove otherwise. grin
grin ah! Maami! Proof? Here is One Proof.

1 Samuel 28:14 and 15. After Prophet Samuel did what we call dying and he died, King Saul, caused Samuel to Wake Up From his "Sleep" as The Lord Jesus Christ, puts it.

To which Samuel answered "Why has thou disquieted me, to bring me up?"

But this is Crazy, you don't wish to live hence Eternal Life is None of your business yet you don't want to die!

This Shit is Crazy!
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:28pm On Jun 16, 2020
Maximus69:
Before God created Adam and Eve it was evident that they never existed anywhere, so at death they returned to non-existence.
The same thing happens to all their children.
There is just one single reward for sin and it's called DEATH {Romans 6:23} after one his dead there's nothing God needs from a sinner, the sinner has paid fully for his sin at death! Romans 6:7 smiley
Wrong! This is Pure Wishful Thinking!

It is Written, Revelation 20:13 " ...death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:"
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:42pm On Jun 16, 2020
bright007:
Nothing happens.

You simply give up all the atoms in you for recycling.

Everything becomes as before you were born .
You wish! grin
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:38pm On Jun 16, 2020
KELVINWONU048:
What the Bible says on this subject is simple and clear​—the dead do not continue to live somewhere. There is nothing that leaves our body at death and lives on so as to be reborn in another body, as stated by those who believe in reincarnation. We might illustrate matters this way: The life that we enjoy is like the flame of a candle. When the flame is extinguished, it does not go anywhere. It is simply gone.
By your own Quoted Authorities I Ecclesiastes 6 and 9, it is Only for People like You!

And Correction! You are not going to Puff! Nothingness! Noo! You are all going to live Forever in Pain, Torment and Misery! In the place Called the Lake of Fire!

KELVINWONU048:
Think of the implications of that one simple but powerful truth. When a Bible student learns that the dead are not conscious, he should easily be able to conclude that no matter how resentful his dead ancestors may have been during their lifetime, they cannot trouble him. He should also quickly grasp the point that his dead loved ones can no longer hear, see, speak, feel, or think. Therefore, they cannot be experiencing unbearable loneliness in purgatory or suffering in a place of fiery torment
There is Nothing to think about, all is settled. The Righteous and Wise shall Live Forever, the Foolish and Evil shall Die, by living in Eternal Torment.

KELVINWONU048:
However, the Bible teaches that the dead who are in God’s memory will come back to life by means of resurrection. What a wonderful hope._ John 5:28,29
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Yepa! shocked "God's memory", ke? Oti-oh! shocked

Ah! Oti baje gaaan! embarassed
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:18pm On Jun 16, 2020
KELVINWONU048:
.​— Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10 .
What the Bible says on this subject is simple and clear​—the dead do not continue to live somewhere. .
Ecclesiastes 9:1-3, Speaks About How All Men Know Nothing!

But Righteous and Wise Men, Measure All Their Works, by the Hand of God and Foolish Men are Full of Evil, Madness and After that, They DIE!

The Evil that is not yet dead, has hope. Verse 4.

Verses 5 and 6- The Evil Man know that he shall Die and everything with him. Neither shall he have life On Earth Forever!

Verses 7-10 - Do All the shit that you are accustomed to doing oh evil men, for the Mouth of the Grave, Is Opened to Receive thy Soul.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens To Us When We Die? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:53pm On Jun 16, 2020
KELVINWONU048:
. But is that the truth? What does the Bible really teach about death?

God’s Word states at Ecclesiastes 6:5,6, “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages.”.
Let me give you the benefit of the doubt that You Don't Know!

Ecclesiastes is about the Emptiness, Wastefulness and Trouble-lations of life, outside the Goodness, Grace and Mercy of God.

And the various versions of Painful-Tormentous life, the All-Mighty has laid out for every soul, who walk not wit Him but reject Him

Ecclesiastes 6: Down to Verses 5 & 6 is One Of The Versions of Torment, suffered by men who Reject God!

So, It Is Not About Dying For All Men but One of The Horrible living that is prepared for all who Despise the Lord.

So take Correction! angry
Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist's Introspective Question For Christains And Religious People. by Dtruthspeaker: 12:51pm On Jun 16, 2020
Abso1uteZero:
LOL as long as you're happy bro.
It is written Rejoice in the Lord, Always And Again I say, Again I say, Rejoice! grin
Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist's Introspective Question For Christains And Religious People. by Dtruthspeaker: 12:31pm On Jun 16, 2020
Abso1uteZero:
I see you have a BDSM fetish
Yeah! Blowing Devil's Shit Massively BDSM! grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Jehovah's Witnesses Disliked? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:46am On Jun 16, 2020
Since I saw your post I have been pondering about the question and finally, I have found why.

I hate you guys and every one who tries to make the Entry into the Kingdom of God, Easy. And All it takes is Just A Simple Stroll to the Gate, Open it and Enter In.

When in Fact and in Truth We Are Clearly Told, that the Entry of It, is As Entering the Eye of A Needle!

Look at how hard and difficult it is just to enter all the Nice Estates around, just for the purpose of visiting a resident therein, not to talk of the even more difficult task of owning a home in any one of them.

See all their screening and verification processes which we all complain about their resistance because they restrict our right of free movement, yet we Obey, Conform and Abide by it.

If ye Evil men can do all these things, how much more the Private Residences of the Most High, the Most Holy and the Most Good?

Shall, Murderers, LovePeddler-mongers, Thieves, Adulterers and all manners of Evil Doers be Allowed there?

Shall they not be Screened off?

Unlike other groups Trying to follow the Word of God, Your Particular Group causeth a vexation of the soul, in that you guys have Selective and Partitioned knowledge of the Bible.

You all Completely Ignore other Relevant and Solid Pronouncements about the Kingdom of God and rather, Stubbornly Stand on Indefensible "Imagined Magical grounds" of your own creation and when queried, you shift and fly all over the place, thereby being a Reubenite, " Unstable as Water" and thus Not Reliable.

And yet, with the use of trickery and cunning, you wish to compel people to accept your undefended and ungrounded position.

The Truth of the Lord is Established Forever! Proverbs 12:19 - "The Lip of Truth Shall Be Established Forever: but a Lying Tongue is but for a moment."

= And We All See You All, Always, Struggling to establish thy own FALSE truths.

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, But my Words shall Not pass away" Mathew 24:35.

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