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Therevenger:
Don't pretend you don't know the difference between i and you?

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I do not understand what you mean by this statement. did you not say, to me

Re: Is God Really Needed? by Therevenger: 8:27am
Just curious.
I don't understand your first answer.
You said God spoke to you via a telephone conversation, SMS, nairaland or in your dream or how ?
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And did I not reply,

"See, did I ever say "God spoke to you via a telephone conversation, SMS, nairaland or in your dream"?

Was my answer not 'God Said, we believe! People said that God said, we believe!"?".

If I had a different answer other than the above, in this thread, do present it here, if not, hold your peace!

Therevenger:
Who is the He ?
A. God through Jesus Christ
B. Allah through prophet Mohammed
C. Satan through his priests

The Owner of this House called the world and the Commander in Chief of it All!

His True Name, I do not know and no creation can know, But, we have seen that He has Never Minded if we call Him, God!

Even the Name God, Sounds Very God Like, Full of Power and Might and Glory Far Beyond, What we can Ever See or Imagine or Think!

LordReed:
Maybe thats why your god is constantly seeking praise and worship. Like Hushpuppi diverted peoples money, your god has diverted the praise and worship meant for other gods to his own account. No wonder all these pastors can keep demanding for tithe and offerings, buying mansions, jets and fancy cars without batting an eye. They serve a Hushpuppi god. LMFAO!

, oh you very funny!

"constantly seeking praise and worship" did you not hear that All His Creations Praise Him? What is the portion of man's praise? Did you not hear that the Totality of Man is A Drop of the water, of the Bucket? And A speck of the dust?

How much worth is the praise of the drop of a bucket? and by what value shall we place on the worship of a speck of the dust?

Man is of little worth! We are Just Lucky That He Loves and Cherishes All His Creations Dearly, both of great worth and little worth, He loves Them All.

Not like you evil man, who after he hath created, Discarded his creations and Remembereth them no more.

Therevenger:
Just curious.
I don't understand your first answer.
You said God spoke to you via a telephone conversation, SMS, nairaland or in your dream or how ?

See, did I ever say "God spoke to you via a telephone conversation, SMS, nairaland or in your dream"?

Was my answer not 'God Said, we believe! People said that God said, we believe!"?

This is my answer and I will answer you from this ground!

Therevenger:
Who gave to the muslim and pagan billionaires ?

Did you not hear that He Commanded that Good Must Be Done to All, Both good and evil, Alike, Like the Sun and Rain falls on both good and evil?

Therevenger:
I did not insult you, bastard simply means friend. Check your dictionary.
You still have not answered my question.
How did God speak to you?

Yeah, you would claim the good part of bastard, i'm okay with that!

But, pray, tell, the Truth, why are you really interested in my Answer? What would my answer do for you? It is curious and I seriously doubt that in your hands, it would have a good intention and not a wicked one

In the spirit of fair play and disclosure, let me state before hand that I Hate all Forms and Faces of Wickedness, undue insults, Mockings and Ridicule.

So, please why are you interested in my Answer? And why is my first answer not sufficient?

Therevenger:
Hi bastard,what has trust have to do with your response?
You still have not answered my question.
How did God speak to you?
Through people I suppose(prophets or pastors).
I shall see.

See, did I not say you have an evil mind? Now you have fired an insult and you expect that thou shall be answered!

LordReed:
What is the difference between this claim and that of a 419er? For all we know your god is probably the Hushpuppi of gods.

Mighty Difference, In That All His Claims Are Clearly Seen and we All Came to Meet Them Here!

And unlike a 419er, He is Not Trying to Take Our Goods and Treasures and our cherished possessions.

But He is even Rather, Trying to Give Us More Goods and treasures and more cherished possessions

Therevenger:
You said God said and people said?
My question is how did God say it to you ?
Was it like a whisper or in a dream?
In clear terms, how did he pass the message across to you ?

Because I do not trust you and neither are your intentions for Knowing my answer, good, I will tell you what my Master Answered people like you, You have your eyes, you have your ears, you have the Bible and you have heard what others have said About hearing from God, do what seemeth good to thee!

Therevenger:
How did God say it to you?

Was i not clear the first time?

LordReed:
I have never seen your god creating any life. All I see are people, animals and insects giving birth or multiplying in some way.

Ahan! After He Don Create, go Rest, you think say He be like you, wey dey work like headless chicken?

Did He not Clearly say People, animals and insects should be Replicated "After their own kind"?

LordReed:
No he's not but some people find it comforting to think that he is.

We do not find it comforting, He is Mr Comfort and Enjoyment and Pleasure and Play and Fun and Happiness and Joy and Party and All the Good Things in this world!

Therevenger:
God said so or people told you God said so?
I am curious please explain i want to learn.

The point is God Said, we believe! People said that God said, we believe!

The Question you should have asked is how do we know and why do we believe.

But since you did not ask it, then we would not answer it.

frank317:
How can u say life comes from God when people are dying left right center.
This is exactly why the op is asking the need for God. If God is the giver of life why are people of all ages dying? Is he the one taking the life of all these people?

Simple, People kill people!

You guys do not know how Angry God is with you all for not listening to him, at all.

He said, Do not eat the fruit. I know One Idiot among us must eat the fruit and like Reed and all the other Antichrists here, they will convince others to join them to eat the fruit.

Yet, You expect God not to be Angry! That one don pass.

He gave Laws, do these things and have a better world. Again, Reed and others said "do we not have sense? We shall make our own laws and take care of everything".

Now you have made your laws and Nothing works rather all is Destroyed!

Do you expect Him, Who you Never listened to, to come and fix the problems you created for yourself?

And do you think He shall not be greatly Angry that you did not listen to Him and you do not listen to Him and you have rather done all the things He Hates, and You expect That He shall intervene in the Calamities you brought on yourself?

You must be crazy to think that He Would Ever intervene in this Shitty World!

cihofo:
How are you in the position to know that life comes from a supernatural force and not through natural occurrences?
Do you have access to some specialized knowledge that a man doesn't?

Who do you think is in charge of Nature?

Kobojunkie:
A challenge of faithfulness and dedication? lol
I don't like to look at the world through rose-colored goggles. I like to read what is written as-is. And God set Job up with Satan knowing fully well that Job was going to suffer for at least seven months as a result of that challenge

It came to me that you think you know rightness or Righteousness.

You even know Righteousness, more than God or up to God, hence your great interest in Job.

Unlike you, Job attempted to prevent Himself from thinking that he could be more Righteous than God hence Eliphaz's statement "Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?" which he never countered. But it did not work.

I see you have crossed the line in your own righteousness and by your own righteousness, save only that you do not have the power to force your judgement, which God has, So you Hate Him that He Has it and you wish it was You.

As long as He is there, I will Follow Him Wherever He Goes For He is Gooder than You and Shall Always be Gooder than You Could Ever Be. So Should you Be on your way to overthrow Him, Stop by my House and Do to Me What You intend Doing to Him and Since you are Righteous Put me With Him when you find Him and Deal with us Both.

For I will Never Choose You to Be My God But I Will ALWAY Choose Him! So take Note, If He is your Enemy, I am One, Also!

So also, all that you are presently saying and thinking will Never give you Peace. (Now, you would deny that you do not have peace, even when I can see the great anger and Anguish in your soul, but you shall deny it, deny away)

Coming from Jobs Statement about mortal man,above, by his thinking, I can immediately see that he no longer Thought that God was Just. And if I could see it, God did.

Hence God's Rebutal and chastisement from Chapter 38-40,

which is to the effect "That You Do Not Know Many things, Man and No Man Can Ever Know up to Me", including you.

Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? Which is what you too, are doing.

Job Finally Remembers things he knew and got it and he therefore quickly and wisely confessed his foolishness in saying

"I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. (For He forgot in his pains that God can hear his thoughts)

Which is why he smartly confessed in verse 3

3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? (Him, and all fools) therefore have I uttered that I understood not; (has he spoken foolishly as you did) things too wonderful for me, which I knew not. (Foolishness plenty as you now do)

4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.(he confesses he heard before, but did not understand, but now, he understands and his eyes are opened)

6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.(now he hates himself for his foolishness and now pleads for Forgiveness). Chapter 42.

Job finally understood what was happened for he knew that he was innocent and that God does Never stands Against A just and Righteous Man, rather He Blesses him which was what Job knew at the beginning, but lost it, because he did not Understand, what was going on, for if he did, he would never have lamented at all.

That's what happened to Job, but you are still lamenting, even long after job had picked up the Understanding of what was happening to him and he lived the remainder of his days in peace and in even greater Blessings and Prosperity because he Did So Well.

Job Defeated Satan even though Satan Did the very Best of the Worst that he Could Do.

Yet, Job, Did, Not, Fall! Whow! He Has My Great Respect and I intend to Stand firm as he did.

A True Champion and And A Champion of the Lord, He Has My Fullest Respects Up to God's Lawful Limit.

In the End, God Still Maintains His Righteousness and His Righteous Laws which is to the Effect That God Blesses and Supports the Just and the Righteous while He Stands Against All Who Do Evil, Exactly As job Knew and Firmly Stood upon It!

Kobojunkie:
A challenge of faithfulness and dedication? lol
I don't like to look at the world through rose-colored goggles. I like to read what is written as-is. And God set Job up with Satan knowing fully well that Job was going to suffer for at least seven months as a result of that challenge

"I don't like to look at the world through rose-colored goggles".

And that is the magic word! The reason why you refuse explanation.

Hence, you do not believe Him when He said "My Thoughts (Thinkings) for you are of good, not of evil". A thinking which is consistent throughout the Bible.

I understand your predicament for every one did the same including I except that it was Always inconsistent with the knowledge that God is Good. And I sought and sought for understanding for years.

And because of search of this search, that was when I discovered that I Truly did not know that God is Really Always Good. And I saw that every one suffers the same thinking.

They and you, do not Really know that God is Good, which led to the next discovery, that we especially in Nigeria, do not Really know what Good, Is.

I have risen above that lack of knowledge, I now know that which is Good which now makes evil, shine even brightly before my eyes.

Kobojunkie:
It is not my view. It is what is explained in the first chapter of the Book of Job.

It is ok that you have opinions of what is written. Why should I try to find faults in your opinion when I know what is written in plaintext for all to read and learn. Opinions cannot change that which is written.
Contrary to what you like to think, I have no wicked view of the Lord. I chose to see God just as Job saw God as the one in control of it all...good and evil alike.
This is not about human perceptions of Law. This is about the one who transcends all that we can know, think, or comprehend. He is above everything that we can understand, no matter how much understanding we claim for ourselves -- He is forever above it all.

We have gone over this before, I see A very Happy Master Showing off His servant and entering into a challenge of faithfulness and dedication, you see a wicked Ruler who punished because He can and because He is All Knowing.

He is All Knowing yet He did not see Him knowing Adam eating the fruit? Or That man shall Love evil or that Sodom and Gomorrah shall be the world capital of Perversions? Or the young Prophet ripped by a lion?

I can predict what my children shall do in a circumstance but I sometimes block myself from Knowing so that I could be pleasantly surprised by their actions which makes me increase their rewards.

So I understand that God Also does the same, in that He can know all things but He can also elect that we suprise Him.

But I have explained and defended my positionthat and you have rejected it, even though you found no fault with it, rather chose to hold on to your belief.

So I stop here for their Must Be An End to Contentions.

Kobojunkie:
God knew what He was signing Job up for(He is omniscient after all), and He did it anywhere. Yes, God did it. The entire book of Job is testament to this. Job knew God did it, and yearned to ask God why He felt he, Job, deserved, to go through such suffering. In the end, (Job 40) when God responded, He didn't give Job a reason but told Job that He God can do and undo whenever He pleases, that is who He is as God over His creation.

And here we are, back to where we started which is your view that God wickedly dealt with Job and even after I pointed out the flaws of that thought, and rather explained what happened, which you could not find any fault with but rather you have now returned to your wicked view of the Lord.

In Law this is a classical case of unfair Judgement based on Bias and Wicked Prejudice.

There is nothing left for me to do but to leave you to the desires of your heart.

solite3:
there is no biblical backup for this.
The righteousness of Christ is an imputed righteousness not the one we work for.

Oh, it was just pointed out to me that you are playing to obtain Abraham's Type Imputed Righteousness.

Remember, Abraham did not have the commandments, but look at his acts, did he not verily Attempt to obey the Commandments?

Job, from a different nation, did he not attempt to keep the commandments?

David, God's Friend, did he not counsel the keeping of the Commandments?

Finally Christ, the Lord God Himself, The same One Who Gave the Commandments to Moses, clearly said

"He that hath my Commandments, and keep them, he it is that loveth me:and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." John 14 :21 and 23.

solite3:
there is no biblical backup for this.
The righteousness of Christ is an imputed righteousness not the one we work for.

No, this is not True!

the Righteousness, I believe this word confuses People, so let me state what I know and I have seen Righteousness to be.

Righteousness means the Fullness of Rights and to which and in which there is no atom Of bad or wrong in it nor the Slightest Shadow of wickedness contained in it.

Following this meaning therefore, the Righteousness of Christ clearly means the Rightness of Christ with the absence of wrongs.

This leads to the next question, can man, claim to know more Rightness or Righteousness than the Lord God, His Maker and Creator? My Answer is Never!

So who is going to learn from Who? I say Man Must Learn From His Creator, Christ Jesus, The Lord!

Also Who is the Person Who Determines What is Right and Wrong? The Answer is The Owner of this House or Land Called, the World.

So Who is the Owner of the World and All that is in it? I say, the Most High and Holy God.

And in Matthew 28:18 Christ declares that He Has Been Appointed by the Owner of the World, to Be The Ruler of It. In saying "All Power is given unto me in heaven and in earth".

John 5:27: He has Authority to Execute Any Judgement!

Oh I have even forgotten John 1:3/4 which I call Proof of Ownership or At Least na Him Create Everything wey we dey see for dis world including d ones we no fit see.

That's why the Storms Obey, the Tree withered, the Law of Sinking into the Sea does not Affect Him!

On this Ground, God, Christ and the Bible Are The Great Authorities and the Determinants of That Which is Right Always.

And Everything Must Be Measured By What They Have Said is Right and Must Be Done FromThat Which They Say is Wrong and Must Not Be Done.

Not man or anyone elses Thinkings or Opinion

So, How are we going to learn from Them All?

Thanks and Praises to God that We Have The Bible KJV Preferably.

And I have seen 2 Visible and Physical Ways and 1 Spiritual Way of learning.

1) Either by Doing What He said we Should Do and I have changed that word "should" to MUST because I have seen that The Lord God will Almost Never Compell Anyone to Obey Him.

But I have made it Compulsory and Mandatory myself and my soul, I Must Obey Him!

2) By Copying and Replicating Christ's Own Acts or in ordinary speech, Action, And Knowledge when He came to visit us on earth.

Also the Replication of The Knowledge and Acts of the People, God Himself, Praised eg Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Job, David etc.

3) Find and identify the Spirit of God within You, Listen to Him and Obey Him.

Kobojunkie:
That is what God said to Satan... It does not change what happened. Was God doing it to make Job suffer?I choose to say God tested Job because I suspect that after that experience, Job probably came out less paranoid than He was going in

Suffer? You do know that Suffering is a bad thing? Therefore, shall He who is Good, Do bad?
Never! Check all through the Bible, not once has God thought of Doing One Single Bad thing, not to talk of even setting it in motion!

This is One God's Own Law and check it out, He either does a Good Thing or He stays silent and Do Nothing. That is why it is written "my thoughts (or thinking in Nigerian English) for you are for Good and not for bad, wicked or even evil".

Therefore, what was the Good that He was doing in this case? I see a Happy Father, showing of his child who has done well, like I do to my children, using those very words without and I was not aware that, that was what God did to Job!

Kobojunkie:
Are you given exams out of fear of some kind? No. Tests/Suffering tends to make us stronger, preparing us for what is to come.

Not in Job's case, for we are Always Expressly told when God was Testing an individual.

Kobojunkie:
All the times I have been tested, God never told me beforehand and He never showed Himself to say, "Hey! Test time!. How did I figure out I was being tested at the time? I was not sure, but I remember thinking as an atheist just getting to know God then, "I probably need to respond to this circumstance the way the God of the Bible stipulated that I ought to just in case He set this up because there is no way in hell that it is just a coincidence that I happen to know exactly what God of the Bible would want me to do in this case."

That is the Beauty of Understanding, for you, It Was Your Test and happy you should be

For when God Answers Your Call, He Visits You and and after the Sweetness of His Visits and Some Lessons Learnt, Then Comes an Exam/Test.

Very Annoying, those Pastors did not warn me of this so that I would have prepared well or at least, I would have been prepared by expectation, but oh no! I was Tossed and Tossed and Tossed, of Course, failing all the way, for I did not know, until I got it Right, and I did not even know, all I knew was that I just tried responding in different ways, such that, it was because it stopped immediately after my last response and that I observed all Stopped after my last response, that was when I went to enquire what I did correctly and why it was correct. I Also enquired why my earlier responses were wrong.

And when I resolved it, oh what feeling? What joy and lifting Overwhelmed me.

Then He Visited again and after the Sweetness, yet again another test and another tossing but when I noticed it again, I used the lessons learnt at the first and I won the second test.

Then came the third tests and I applied the lessons learnt at the first, Now they did not work, so here I go tossing and turning again.

And this is how the story went Until I Reached this Sweet Place That I Am, and I have not received a test since last year or two, But it has been sweet All Along.

As you rightly said, I grew much much stronger, much more Knowings called knowledge. I am Overflowing with Confidence and Fear is Dead and what everyone is pursuing by being a Christian, Abraham's Blessings, I have entered into it, I Always, I Repeat Always Prosper in All My Work, That is Private Legal Practice, With Ease, No Stress but Fun and Play All the way, The Lord Answers my Prayers and He Deals with everyone who wickedly and wrongfully challenges me and I stay quiet because I know that my Nigerian people are foolishly wicked, lest God Whips them with Hot Whippings for my sake, Exactly as it is written.

And this is the place of Complete Salvation of the Lord, Fear, hell and Death is Abolished, that is why I can talk about them all they long for they have been far removed from me.

Warning! It also means when you do wrong, God Himself will deal with you as He did Moses and the Young Prophet who was ripped by the lion, So, if you want to continue safely and sweetly, You Must, I Repeat, You Must Do Well Always, which is why I am Most Greatful to the Lord on High, that I am a Lawyer, for I see, All Creation Are Lesser and Always have Laws Over Them.

Hence the Highest Proof of God is Law!

And when I am not Certain About Anything, I Look to the Laws, For Where It Is Written!

That is One Of The Gifts, that the Lord God dropped for us, "it is written!"

Kobojunkie:
I do, and I explained already.
There was no competition at all. It was a Master(God) sending out His servant(Satan)to do work for Him
The Book of Job is not the only time we have seen God linked in some way to evil, and it is my belief that God through Satan directs that which we consider Evil in this world. After all, God is the source of all good and all evil.

I have answered you that this is not true and proven it to you and ye are not able to rebut it, while I have in Truth demolished your claim.

This is Understanding of your confusion, God Created Everything, Yes, Good and Evil, Yes, why Because, He is the God of Balance, I Call Him Mr Balance.

Under His System, All of them work together with No issues, and it is Easier and Sweeter too. That is what He is Showing us and Exactly what we see.

Do you not see that Most men have both a left and right hand? No Problems, but do you not see some have Either Only left or Only Right hand? Awkward, Imbalance!

A scissors with one half will not be a scissors not to even talk about it being imbalance.

Therefore, In His Great wisdom and Balance, Good and Evil Must Exist, to which we are clearly told that "He made Evil for the day of Evil' which means evil is to eat all evil like Antivirus, hence, AntiEvil

Good will not touch evil only evil can swallow evil, But Good Will Destroy Evil without even touching it. Yeah that's how Powerful Good Is.

And this is Another Understanding, So God being Good, in that we, Lesser things and His Creation Are Thankful that He Chose to Be Good. Who Shall Resist Him or Overcome Him, if he was Not Good, not to talk of even being wicked, or just Level, Not Good ? I shudder! Shake, shake, shake.

Imagine Satan being in Charge over us, Job's Story definitely shows you what he shall do.

So I am very thankful that He Has Chosen and Set His Settings (As Written "He has set Himself" to do Only Good, which I have come to see that it is Good and I like Good, therefore I am thankful that He is Good and Gives Only Good, Which I Love very very much!

This is another teaching that Pastors ought to have taught Continually until people understand. For this Understanding is A CORE UNDERSTANDING which helps everyone to Come to the Complete Understanding of All of God's Ways and Walk Rightly in Them or even Run with It!

Kobojunkie:
Other examples of God manipulating evil in order to have His will accomplished are seen in the story of Saul(1 Samuel 16) and also in David's story(2 Samuel 24)

See, God sent an evil spirit to Saul.

Nothing Wrong here! That is what it means to Be a God, He Commands, they Obey, Straightway!

All Things are His Servants and Employees and Because He is Good, He has permitted them to be free to do what they like, KNOWING HIS RULES AND LAWS.

If they abide by it, it is Him Who shall Deal with it. If they breach, it is Also Him who shall Deal with it.

But When He Commands they Must Obey and Straightway, Do His Bidding, you think say dem wan die or suffer The Kain Punishment wey Him Fit Give? Dem no wan die oh!

Kobojunkie:
WOW! Is Satan really less than a man? I very much doubt that. At least one of Jesus's disciples does too.

According to Jude, Man does not have the authority to directly rebuke Satan; even the Angels do not, and they are above men. Jude suggests that Satan is a celestial being(a glorious being). In the book of Job, Satan appears with God along with the Sons of God. What Jude says stands in agreement with every other reference made to this in the Bible. So how can Satan be less than you when you don't even have the authority to rebuke him?

Just Discovered this 2 or 3 weeks ago, and the same period I said it!

Jude did not say do not rebuke Satan, he was rather reminding us to remember that there are Many Circumstances that We would Feel like Responding to an evil in Righteousness, But, I Repeat But, it would not be Right for you to respond to it. Why?

Because this particular wrong Falls Squarely in God's Hands. It is Him Who is Directly Harmed in this cases, not us.

They are not our wrongs even though we are Directly Attacked with It.

That is the purview of the Offence of Blasphemy, which is Insults, Ridicule and Defamation Directed At God.

Jude shows us that even Angels Do Not Enter the Matter, Knowing that It is Him Who shall Deal with it.

All Men Must Hotly and Angrily Kill Satan even though he would not die forever, but he dies temporarily if well executed. That is what Rebuke means.

Have you not seen that there was a day you Hotly Screamed, Nol or get out! the whole world shook and every one around you shook and fled from you?

yes, that is one of the Gifts the Lord has given men and it is Only Activated by Righteousness or what we would call righteousness today, called Rightness.

Also, I have been pondering why Satan wanted man to eat the fruit, for like God, while God's Reasons Are Always for a good purpose, bringing Good towards us. Satan is the opposite, for it must Be For the bringing of a wickedness and evil towards us.

His evil purpose has been fulfilled as we can all see, but why did he need man to eat the fruit? And what was the devil like, to man before man ate the fruit?

I can see, Not Much Power has he! And even after he has entered man, his power did not grow, save for the Advantage he stole.

Which is the Power to Convince (Not Compel.or Force as ordinary men speak) Man, (Which is still the same power he had outside man) But Now He Gained An Extra Advantage, He Could Also, Directly Touch and Speak to The Person of the man Within, What we call the soul.

So Satan gained both the outside, where he originally was and could only operate from there and Adam/Eve made the mistake of Allowing Him to enter the inside of us, even before we were born.

So he is now, also inside!

But God did a Wonderful Thing for us not for Adam/Eve, But us who were born from them. He Separated Every One.

He Let Satan have his place and space. He Set His Own Space and let man have his place.

Satan's place is the spirit of the skin/flesh and bones and blood and Evil as is Written; The Lord's Space is the Holy Spirit in man, Good as is Written, which was full before but now man has allowed a strange spirit to enter in, now that one don get land for inside man now. And the spirit of man called soul who used to have Only Good Adviser and The Controller of man, since man does not know many things but now, man has a second Controller and Driver, whose driving is Always to bring man to his self destruction, disgrace, despair all the bad bad dis this or dis that.

And the only Real power Satan has over man when he was outside is the use of his filthy evil mouth which is simply called Persuasive Powers, after that no more, For the Lord had barred and banned him from touching All His Things Including His Creations, which we are, hence the Bible says that "He has Placed A Hedge (Fence or Wall) Around Us so that the Serpent will not bite".

But inside man Satan now has access to the Great Power in man with which he can execute more evil and Wickedness from one man to another, including the man himself that he himself is handling.

For I have seen that while Satan Himself can not harm me, my Powerful man, like me can. And not just to harm me and all men but he can harm Everything on the earth, as you can now see is being done.

And that is why Satan Needed man to eat that fruit for through foolish man he could Destroy as far as possible, all the works the Lord God had Happily Made, which was Good, Using man since he could not touch God's things but man can, while on the other hand when he has completed the work of destruction, he could still destroy the man himself. Win-win-win for him.

Kobojunkie:
That is what I believe to be the case. The adversary is used by God in almost every case mentioned when testing His own. Paul, Saul, David, Job, Jesus... etc. It seems Satan is the go-to guy as far as testing is concerned aka. human-quality control entity. The story of Job seems to lead us to believe that Satan does not just pop out to test us. It is planned.

I have answered this above, all are his servants and Employees, They Must Do His Will when Instructed and in their free times they are allowed to do what they like Only subject to his Laws and a breach of those Laws makes them liable for Punishment, Punishment of Which it is He that shall Decide the Whens, the Hows and the Whoms!

Whoo! This was long.

frank317:
U want her released but u think it's not necessary to ask God to help her

Why are you wicked so?

Was my statement not clear to the effect that God's Wants, Take Priority over mine? Now you want to turn it to Wickedness.

It is written "An evil man seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him"

frank317:
Now u say perhaps she has been appointed to die? Based on what are u saying this?

I supplied the answer and you got it, so it is silly for you to still ask me a question I have already answered.

frank317:
If one gets malaria could u say it's useless praying for the person because perhaps it's appointed for the person to have malaria

I am not the one responsible for the malaria neither do I have power to heal nor did I say it useless to pray for the person with malaria.

My statement was clear the first time and it was not about malaria, so keep your evil intents and purposes in your own house. They are yours and not mine, so do not give it to me!

frank317:
It's hurts my eyes to read from u, Mr God's lawyer. U have proven ur self to fail in all areas of reasoning

Then pull out your eyes! And it is your Law that you can not be a judge in your own matter. See how you Shame thy own soul because of the love of evil?

frank317:
The same u who have prayed, asked God for favor, and always got answers from God is the same u saying it's useless praying for another because they are appointed to go through the hell they are going through

Is this what I said? You Thief and Cheat and you would soon come to Murder me as you have done to my Lord before me!

It is written "whatever you sow, that shall you reap"!

frank317:
This is after saying than an amputee is stupid for asking God for a new limb.

If u can ask God for anything and get it, why can't others? Why can't same u ask God for their sake? Who appointed Leah to die? U or The God u are representing?

1) Did I say others can not ask God, Mr Liar, Thief, killer and Unrighteous Judge?

2) Why would I do that? Is it not the Law "Ask, Seek and Find"? Is there any impediment in the world that can stop Anyone from doing their own Ask, Seek and Find?

3) Since you repeat the question, therefore I say "I repeat the answer I have given you before Mr Evil!.

You wish you to take the Goodness of God but you do not wish to do Good and you expect to get answered prayers. Fool! No man can Decieve the Lord.

So this wraps it up, for it is written "I would not that I shall have no fellowship with devils"

Very good Post.

To add to it, it is not just the disobedience alone, which is the easiest that man sees but what was behind the disobedience, which is the Real Thing and What God Judged and therefore, Punished!

Could you try and see if you could find it or them?

Professorcplus:
[color=#550000] THIS PAGE IS DEDICATED TO EVERY NAIRALANDER THAT HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHT, SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THE RIGHT/WRONG. I WILL BE SHARING SOME ARTICLES HERE, RADIO STATION TALKS, AND FREE OBSERVATIONS ABOUT OUR SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. THIS THREAD IS SOLELY FOR EDUCATIVE PURPOSE. YOUR OPINIONS ARE WELCOMED.

And you all wonder why you are confused and you no longer know Right and Wrong, Good and Evil.

Instead of using the Law that states "You are either Up or Down, In or Out, Good or Evil", for it is written "ye can not drink the Cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye can not be Partakers of the Lord's Table, and of the table of devils". 1 Corinthians 10:21.

But you choose to first deceive yourself. Then you wonder why and how Satan, thereafter, comes to take you to the even the Most Foolish Deceits, and you were found there. Mmnh, interesting!!!

Oh, I get it, you want to play for the middle, neither good nor evil, .

Haha, guess what, that is what the Law of Hot and Cold meant in the Bible, God has already handled it and Prepared a Special Place for you guys.

haha! Man, Always trying and seeking ways to Outmaneuver The Highest! Whoh! very entertaining indeed.

Janeberryy:
We all know little

Yep, but some of us know a lot more than our brothers and of course we are still waaaay of from reaching 1/12th of God- (I noticed that He likes 12).

But we are still pursuing Him, for we noticed, He does not mind!

frank317:
U don't want the Leah to b released?

In truth I want her released and I would be very happy that she is released.

But first I am very Angry that this happened because man thinks he knows more than God and Always thinks so.

While God kill All Evil People, man said "we shall do better than God", he shall not kill evil people, (ooh that's not right, they say) but we shall raise up a house for them called prison and "change" them (called reformation).

Now evil has filled the whole earth and now we have all these shits going on.

Now, there is another thing you are also not aware of, Remember, God's Word Must Happen and Be Fulfilled, it is written "they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you": Mathew 24:9

Also Revelation 6:10/11-
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

So I think she may have been appointed to die as others have died in Kaduna, Jos, America, China, all over the world, just as it is written.

If she dies for Christ, she dies well.

And Remember what we call dying, the Lord God said it is a "sleeping"!

Janeberryy:
Lol true but in that perfect state, people will look for something higher to stop greed or something.

Ok you right something has to be wrong like greed or a feeling of emptiness

"Greed", "Emptiness"?

You know too little of God!

Professorcplus:
Hmm imagine a world where they is no challenges, problems, just as perfect as it could, people would forget God.

We only remember God when in troubles. Even if heaven is exactly the way it's painted, people will forget God when they make heaven.

No they would not because He is Unforgettable!

xcabczyxabczzzz:
Elaborate

Modified!
Bread is for the eating of your you who is flesh and blood and bones. And that is the guy who must die because he is Completely and Absolutely Evil and thinks Only the the bad and worse and evil things Only.

But there is a second you that is neither flesh and blood nor bones, he too needs his own food for his good wellness.

That food is the word of the Lord!

And he is The Complete Opposite of that guy up there, for he is Always Good and thinking Only Good Things.

And I think there is a 3rd You who Decides of the 2 Alternatives, which he shall follow and whom he shall obey. which I think is the soul.

Which is why physicaly, an evil man can do a good thing and a good man can do Wrongs.

Which is Traceable to The Evidence given by the Bible of the Knowledge or Knowings of both good and evil, hence why we Raise Up The Bible As the Place of Truths and The Laboratory for Testing That Which is True.

Which is why the Bible is An Enemy of Satan and all his children called Antichrists or Atheists.

They Hate the Truth and they Must Hate the Truth and That is there Everlasting Weakness!

For as their father Satan is a Liar, They Must Be Liars Also, Under the Law as again shown in the Bible, "Every seed after his own kind and every creature after his own kind".

All these things and many more are the Diverse Proofs of God!

That's what your pastors are supposed to tell you but, they do not know either.

Please, just a slight correction.

Do not say "if" the AlMighty is...Or Are you not certain and sure?

The All Mighty is God even Over and Above The Law.

Therefore, the All Mighty is the God of Law!

Martinez39s:
SMH. So a man whose has lost his sight and hearing can play basketball and practice Medicine at top level?

Anything to establish foolishness, even the ridiculous.

People with eyes and hearing do not even Always play basketball neither are they all top level practitioners of medicine. Your blind deaf man can as well fly a plane, mtchew!

Martinez39s:
Leave Mr Toyoda out of this. In the eyes of God, is there no difference between man (a creature made in his image) and a chicken (a creature he gave man dominion over)? I ask again, answer and don't run:
(1) I would like to ask how you as a christian can compare something supposedly made in god's image to a chicken.
(2) How can you compare something Jesus supposedly suffered and died for to a chicken?
(3) If Jesus, who does the will of god always, can grant lepers, lame folks, deaf folks, the blind, folks with withered limbs, etc their miracles, how is it stupid, or against the will of god, to grant an amputee his/her missing limb(s)?
(4) By your own logic, shouldn't Jesus have ignored those people because their ailments didn't stop them from being human beings? Shouldn't Jesus have ignored them since he made them strong in their defects, and life could be sweet for them if they wanted it to be?

I like how you stylishly avoided these and talked about a mysterious Mr Toyoda whose opinion doesn't count here. If Toyoda thinks humans are not different from chicken, does it mean God thinks that way?

I do not run from reasonable and bonafide questions but questions with malice.and evil intents, I shall treat them with much scorn, contempt and altogether dismiss them.

1) It is great stupidity for one creation to compare itself with another creation, hence the Mr Toyoda answer.

2) same as question 1 with the only difference being that a man Loves Evil and a chicken is not easily guilty of sin, Chickens do not go to hell and lake of fire but you do

3) Those miracles was to Prove to us all that He is God over all the earth and all things so that you can know that there isn't anything in this world that is not in His Hand, Absolutely Nothing.

And He will do His Will with and without your permission, but no one on earth can make Him do their own will.

4) same as question 3.

Martinez39s:
It is different. The surgeon cannot apply to other hospitals since his hands are not there. Even if it weren't different, does it mean god shouldn't deliver on his promises? It's funny how you are acting as secretary/spokesman to god to determine which miracle is unnecessary or vain

Now you want to goad Him into healing, does that work with men? Almost a complete No.

I am God's Lawyer and Friend. I do not determine who gets a miracle or not but I know why they get it and why they do not.

Martinez39s:
Anyway, have fun with your mental gymnastics and self-deception. Many persist in religious delusions because they love their chains. By virtue of your religion, you have become insensitive and callous.

I Love God and I love the Job He gave me, so I am definitely having great fun!