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proudly9ja:
Between now and 1st of February, we have 5 games. That's 5 games in 2 weeks!
Leeds, Wigan, Ipswich, Huddersfield (if we beat Leeds in rd 3) and Everton. Really tight schedule.

Na our squad players cause am, we should have had just 4.

^^ Its resignation to fate, yu know how it is when yu're in the last place yu want to be. If the cup refuses to pass over yu at least yu can still sleep like a baby. John Champion said one of them was in the Director's box, I think he should be voted out 

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=567426.msg7539755#msg7539755 date=1295120522]Nice comfortable win,shows this first eleven are the capable ones amongst the lot.
Say what you have to say about Fabianski though,i noticed he has a great distribution and best calming,"time wasting" antics within our rank.
Also great to see the back of Eboue.Dude is such a joke and i think it is high time we started thinking of bringing in another back up RB.[/quote]That is one key area in which he is ahead of Szczesny at present.

A lot of credit to Koscielny today, he did not put a foot wrong, he may not be yur typical bruising physical defender but he is one yu wld want when yu go up against the likes of Barcelona. Key interceptions and good anticipation of danger yet again.
There is something important Wilshere brings to that role beside Song apart from being able to pass out from deep, he brings some aggression which is lacking in Denilson and Diaby, its something we seem to have lacked in MF since the exit of Flamini.

If Cesc, RVP, Nasri and Theo are fit then I wouldn't be so scared when we go up against Barca, yes one would still expect them to edge it but I wouldn't be so scared of another lesson in passing and possesion football as we got last season and definitely not another goal rout at the Camp Nou.

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=585701.msg7539525#msg7539525 date=1295116001]While it's not yet uhuru,it's obvious to see what we miss anytime RVP is out injured is massive.Direct and no nonsense attacking approach.[/quote]Best of our CFs by a distance, injury is such a bi.tch I coulndt believe he is only scoring his 50th PL goal today.

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=585701.msg7539525#msg7539525 date=1295116001]How come Eboue and Djorou are playing like pregnant Koalas? [/quote]Whatever Eboue dishes out is never surprising to me, he and Clichy are basically loose cannons and never cease to amaze, I wonder why Djourou has been so tentative today, just couldn't seem to make up his mind what to do in most situations.
Szczesny made that save when we needed it earlier.
RVP definitely MOM today.

Wellington Silva unveiled at Levante today and Miyaichi also didn't get a permit so is off to the dutch league according to Arsene. 

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shabbie:
the spelling of "Alex" Song on that site is horrible

I thot the post was referring to some liquor  good idea for the site though.

Actually Makoun has not gone to pieces yet like Geremi.  he still looked quite good during the Emirates cup.
but I still believe in our youth players being given the opportunities because we've spent so much in getting them and also developing them, except they really mess up big time I think it is in the best interest of the club to give them opportunities.

How many people will come on here and eat their words about the Melo/Song debate?  or even the Szczesny/Fabianski and new keeper signing debate of last season?

Coquelin was doing extremely well at Lorient prior to picking up an injury recently and should definitely get an opportunity to contest for a first team position next season while so many, self included believe if not for his unfortunate injury, Frimpong would be ahead of Denilson by now just as Wilshere is cos he and Lansbury have that high tempo element to their game that we've largely lost with the exit Flamini.

@Debo
The comparison with getting Squllaci doen't really apply cos we lost 3 CBs and were in need of immediate replacements, we haven't lost any MFs in fact we've gained 1 (Wilshere) and are well on track to gain at least 2 more (Lansbury and Coquelin) who have had significant playing time and impact on loan and are coming into the right age bracket to play their way into the first team.

proudly9ja:
Rumour has it we are looking at another 'Theo Walcott', Alex Chamberlain


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GdxEZWXGQw

I don't think there is any truth in this particularly if he is actually like Theo, both Miyaichi and Wellington have higher upper limits and Bothelo will become a Euro national in time for next season, I'll be very surprised if Arsene goes for this.

debosky:
Jean Makoun about to sign for Villa - now that's the type of signing I'd have expected Wenger to make so we have decent cover for Song especially in this hectic period of games. . . . .instead the man continues to kitty foot by trying to buy a defender from the worst team in the league.

Good signing if it goes through, Sessegnon to Sunderland would be a shrewd move by Bruce too and would have been a great buy for us but when will Coquelin, Frimpong and Lansbury ever play if we sign either of them?

dayokanu:
See DELUSIOn in black and white, if the goal of a Football club is to make money then Arsenal has progressed, if the goal of a Football club is to win trophies then i leave you to answer that one.

Yeah right, trophy na trophy, some people are also winning Intertoto cup but I know who I'd rather be supporting.  my club will win trophies in due season and then yu can come out of yur self imposed closet, we are very generous and will accept yu as a prodigal son.

slimshay:
Dudu better than Cesc has ever played it ke ? Abeg dont let us enter this marra. Doctor will just point at it and say it is hype.

Slim, that is why I say IMO and remember it was only one game but abeg Nasri was in his element on that day, showed everything yu want from such an advanced playmaker, the next game he played in that role I also remember he was quite underwhelming so I'll still go for Cesc's consistency for now, but the way Nasri has taken to a wide forward role this season convinces me he can excel in the role Cesc plays if he gets the opportunity, I think he can actually be better than Cesc at it.

I absolutely love Cesc and he is very important to the way we play (and like Dr. Kit pointed out that is something of Arsene's making) having said that, against Ipswich he was piss poor and owes us a big one in the return leg.

As to the importance of Cesc, Kit has a point in saying Nasri can play the role (I distinctly remember him playing that role better than Cesc ever played it IMO against Porto last season), it however remains to be seen if he can carry that burden consistently as Cesc has shown he can.
A young Rosicky at his prime also possibly could but not the Rosicky we see nowadays.

If Cesc does leave as we are continuously being reminded I wouldn't be scared cos I believe Nasri is a candidate for that role in waiting and he will bring certain attributes that even Cesc doesn't have to that role.

slimshay:
Debosky, there really is something called winning mentality. Its that feeling I get everytime Suara misroad come my side. I just know after one B!TC# SLAP his FEMALE hormones will KICK IN at the end of the day.

wetin you do am? una don fight gidigbo for under Jibowu bridge? let me know the date and time o, I go come collect gate takings, you knw say I like money like Baba Ijebu. 

I think I understand Proudly9ja's point and I do feel like him atimes particularly when the boys seemingly let themselves down like against Ipswich, until they actually win something that is a tag they'll have to deal with which is why I expected them to go to Ipswich and blitz them, as it is they still have an opportunity so nothing spoil yet but they had better do the thing from the blast of the whistle at Emirati come 2 weeks time.

Simple Questions for you to answer my man, If money indeed is not important,

1. Why is UEFA now talking about money and singling Arsenal out as a model for others to follow? why not hold up Chelsea, Manure, Real Madrid or even Barca as a model of how a club should be run if like you say its only about how many trophies you win.

2. Why the fall of those clubs mentioned above? all within the same period of 10 years?

3. If Chelsea made more than Arsenal pre Abramovic, why is it making less despite all the free money Roman put in to buy all those quality players and despite winning all those trophies? (mind you the money Abramovic has put in is even more than the cost of the Emirates, almost double in fact).

Now can you answer those questions as simply as I asked them? and please keep in mind my disclaimer above so we don't get issues mixed up.

The main issue for me is this, has Arsenal progressed under Arsenal and the Board's watch in the past 10 years? I say a capital YES, if you disagree with that assertion, can you put your facts on board to back it up?

coded guy:
We also know Arsenal has made profits more than double Newcastle. Making double of what Newcastle made in 2009 can also be significantly attributed to their troubles.

Just an observation.

Yes, yu're quite right and that is why those clubs are currently where they are with a gloomy outlook in the present and looking into the future while one can't but be optimistic about Arsenal's standing at present and future prospects. 

Newcastle used to be big spenders back in the day, ran Manure and Arsenal close and then lost steam, went into relegation and are still rebuilding.
Liverpool 2 seasons ago came 2nd in the league, now can't even beat blackpool in a clash to determine who drops into a relegation dogfight.
Chelsea fans are struggling to wake up from a nightmare currently enfolding them despite winning a double last may, should I go on?

chamotex:
U dey fear?
JET is there to rescue you now.

When Arsene allows JET to play in the first team I'll start depending on him. For now there is only one Cesc Fabregas, a bird in hand is worth more than 10000 you see in a movie. 

For those who seem to believe Arsene is the worst thing to happen to Arsenal in the past Decade, please chew on this courtesy of UEFA, the part in bold is particularly revealing.

[Quote]From the 2011/12 season, UEFA regulations will force clubs to break-even over a rolling three-year period or risk a possible ban from European club competitions. And the governing body believe Arsenal have set a standard for others to follow.

"Ten years ago Arsenal reported less income than Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle," said Gianni Infantin, UEFA's General Secretary. "Now it is more than those clubs and in 2009 more than double Newcastle's.[/quote]DISCLAIMER: This has nothing to do with the result of our match against Ipswich but rather a call for reflection as some people love to state things that are untrue about our progress under Arsene and the board's watch.

proudly9ja:
Dudu gave an example of a match United lost the first leg and won the second and went on to win the cup.

I was only saying it aint over yet, the lads have usually come through at crunch time so far this season. It seems they are choosing the games in which they wobble as ones for which recovery is still possible and while it is frustrating for us fans, it might not be bad for us in the long run.
In the past, we used to run our best players into the ground playing them almost all the time but this season Arsene is rotating more early on with some mixed results as some of the squad players are just not stepping up. It also helps put those who are set for the chop between now and the summer in the shop window and I can see people are already makin their lists of who they want gone. 

hannie:
methinks we need allow Cesc move on so we can make NASRI THE NEW FACE OF ARSENAL !

Emi o lowo si eleyi o, let us win something first and then Cesc can go while we reinvent the team again. Abeg I don't want our 5 years suffering to be in vain. 

Did Doc. Kit become born again as Hannie? This is sounding like Saul being converted to Paul. 

Rant over, I don fexx finish over performance. For those who are writing us off from winnin the Carling Cup,  and who claim Manure are so good they don't ever play poorly in the 2nd half

here is a blast from the past, Derby was also in the Championship.

Jan 7 2009 FT Derby County 1 - 0 Manchester United 30,194 English Carling Cup (Semi-finals)
Jan 20 2009 FT Manchester United 4 - 2 Derby County 73,374 English Carling Cup (Semi-finals)

Me likes the fighting talk comin from El Capitan and I expect the team to put their money where their mouth is as they've mostly done this season and blitz that team back to Ipswich and Paul Jewell back into retirement. COYG.

dayokanu:
I guess you can reason independently.

Now tell how How Wenger is more consistent than his peers. Or are you saying he has consistently been a failure?

DK na wetin be yur problem, what is so difficult to understand in this? he is more consistent because on the basis of weighting and accumulating the results of the polls for World Coach of the Year over a 10 year period, he came out as the highest placed.
When "The Pompous One" won last year's award I heard none of you lot complaining. 

In a similar manner that a squad wins the league by having the most points after playing all other clubs home and away even if the club wins it after losing both home and away to the 2 clubs in the 2nd and 3rd positions. 

If yu want to make a case for a play off then that can be considered on its own merits though the logistics of such an undertaking yu would have to come up with solely on yur own and pass on to the IFFHS for consideration.

StarBoard:
@duduspace,
Brainlessness will only carry you so far.
[b]If you decide to use some bogus criteria from a faceless organisation,[/b]then good luck to you.
I want you to tell me in your own empty words what those criteria are,because I'm so lazy,I don't have time to get into the website.
Kindly let us know how a coach with no European title is voted coach of the decade in your own words,other than referencing us to some deadbeat website.

Now this is beyond stupidity and shows paucity of intelligence if any at all, it actually goes beyond that and further descends into peddling falsehood. Yu are not only uninformed but willfully choose to remain ignorant and deliberately set on a path to perpetuate it? yu're claiming the IFFHS is a faceless organisation? pray if it were so faceless why is it recognized by FIFA and actually awarded initial World Player of the year awards before handing over to FIFA?
Rather than showing yur cringe worthy ignorance, why not get more education about the history of the IFFHS here:
http://www.iffhs.de/?b3120fe3016e23617ff3c17f7370eff3702bb1c2bb19

dayokanu:
Duduspace,

Your attempt to sound smart is very embarrasing.

Simple. WHat has Wenger done in the decade or what consistency does he have over SAF or Mourinho

In their respective leagues SAF and Mourinho were 1st 6 times out of 10 Wenger was first 2 times out of ten WHICH ONE IS CONSISTENT of the three.

Has there been any season Mourinho or SAF was out of top 3 in those ten yrs? But I remember Wengar being out of top 3 in the time frame.

In that time frame, Mourinho played 4 CL semi finals won 2, Fergie played 3 CL semi finals won 1, Wenger played 2 CL semi finals won 0.

Now tell me how is he more consistent than Fergie or Mourinho

I sincerely hope this is sarcasm? is this award Dayokanu's World Coach of the Decade or the International Federation of Football History & Statistics World Coach of the decade award? are yu claiming to have more data than people who have been gathering statistics since before you stopped wearing pampers? if thats what yu're saying then methinks yu need to disregard Amy's advice and say YES to Rehab. 

I repeat that the criteria for the award is very clear and I've already pointed it out, this award is not about who has won the number of trophies, if yu're still gettin it twisted I'll ask you a simple question.

Is it possible to win the Formula 1 World Championship without being champion on any track? I repeat that you can only question the criteria for the award and anyone can if they so desire but to say Arsene doesn't deserve to win it and that it doesn't represent CONSISTENCY is (if I'm being very nice) pretty daft.

4llerbuntu:
did u say this season? uncle dudu haha naw, just this season?

and what blip? how is this a blip? has this scenario not been the usual for years now?

We have not been good enough for years, and rightly lost to those stronger than us most times that is true but we were never prone to losing to lower level opposition apart from 2 seasons ago atimes in the league. (In Arsene's 14 years, this is only the 2nd time he has lost to lower league opposition in the cups) even when we played youngsters we got to the final against Chelsea.

4llerbuntu:
please perish the thought, for your own blood pressure and good, we will bounce back next season, as soon as manure does a liverpool and chelsea go gaga
start reciting the mantras again o, as usual. arsene knows, we were so close, we lacked the belief, we believe in this set of players etc etc etc.

why are even discussing this na, its january/february remember, thats the shyte season ke! as usual,
ARSENE KNOWS in ARSENE THEY TRUST

I tell you say I get blood pressure?  unlike you I have no doubt that this team will come good, the only question for me is how quickly?
I will back Arsene and our financial prudence anyday when even UEFA is now saying the Arsenal method is the way to go, where are Liverpool fans to come and flex today? go to their thread and witness the very definition of gloom if you need a lesson in how to rapidly fall from grace to grass. If that club settles within the next 5 years then they should thank their stars.

presido1:
But he take the credit when they win. Nick could not get a shot cus the gaffer want them to playing sweet passing football. He want to keep to maneger's instruction.

Haba, it can never be manager's instruction not to score naa, B52 just hasn't been the same since his injury, that kind level of opposition was moi moi for these same boys in past seasons (but then e don tay wey B52 don dey mess up sha, Burnley CC quarter final anyone remember?).

But then I can't remember when last I saw Cesc as poor as he was yesterday either. There are some things in football one can't just explain, the only recurring theme this season is we seem to put in a creditable performance in the big games and then suck badly at the ones that should be easy, that to me points to a problem with mentality and motivation but then what more motivation should players need than ending a 5 year trophy drought when yu're so close?

I can only hope they don't serve up this same rubbish on the return leg. If we go ahead to win it people won't remember this blip much.

DAMN, 100 pages after 5 years? what a boring club, nothing dey happen for here at all. Manmustwac, na food dem take bribe you to dey support this useless club? abi yu dey get supply of free booze?

@Debo, wetin yu dey do for Onitsha? abi cold don drive you comot? the weather don better o you better come back soon come motivate yur boys, if this Carling Cup chase end like this and we still end up with nothing then summer no go sweet at all.

StarBoard:
And me thinks you're an overt dullard with all talk and no substance.
Tell us who won 10 titles in a year and went on hibernation among JM and SAF.
Or tell us how 6 league titles in a decade is less consistent than finishing 3rd/4th for 5 years running.
And tell us how a coach with 0 European titles is more consistent than having 2 European titles in the same decade.Unless consistency means another thing entirely.But we're talking to a deluded Gunner,so it's not surprising.
You talk like you have a grenade stuck to your behind and never make any point
You must have glaucoma if people have cataract as you say.

Empty heads usually see their reflection in other's faces. If your comprehension skills haven't deserted you then you have all the information you need in this simple statement.

The award is decided by combining the points from the organisation's Coach of the Year polls

The data is there on the website if yu'll get off that Manure website yu've got stickied to your desktop and use your brains actively for a while rather than thinkin up the next absurd statement to make. The award basically recognises CONSISTENCY and polling didn't start today or even last year in case you don't know, it was over a decade

it clearly states:

[Quote][b]Although the Frenchman has until now never won the annual vote, he has been among the best-placed coaches every year.[/b]It is admirable, how he has repeatedly moulded young players into an attacking and technically brillant way of play.[/quote]You can tell me, you don't agree with the criteria used but to come here and imply some magomago while telling us what Fergie won or didn't win is as closest to stupidity as yu'll ever get, it basically shows yu haven't even got a clue what yu're talking, ranting or complaining about.

It also shows how good Fergie was actually cos over a 10 year period, only about 8 points separated them.

StarBoard:
Another brainless nitwit displaying his ignorance in a public forum.And he supports Arsenal.Why aren't we surprised?

Methinks yu're the pot calling the kettle back. Did you read the criteria for the award at all or you just want to rant? 

What a crying shame, even some respected none arsenal posters are allowing their emotions cloud their judgement, the criteria for the award is as clear as day and its not even as sentimental as say awarding the Ballon D' Or or FIFA World footballer award.
This is an award for consistency, someone who wins 10 trophies in a year and then goes into hibernation is not likely to win this based on the criteria.
DAMN, and some call others donkeys?
mighty cataracts clouding people's sight on here. Mscheew

proudly9ja:
^^^^
How sad. Some seasons back, its our youth team that would have been playing this game.

They should just win this thing and then we can go back to blooding youth in the Carling Cup next season. Even the press don start to dey mellow but na we dey give dem ammo everytime.

switch47:
Lol  funny thread.na 2legs affair and i believe the second like will be  decide who wins.arsenal will surely get past ipswich on d 25tht

I like the optimism switch but this team shouldn't be in this position, not when something is this close and you can almost reach out and touch it. You can't beat Newcastle and Tottenham and then play like this at Ipswich, it is so wrong.
Yet again the team was strong enough but didn't do enough.

slimshay:
Abeg na who get that Haitian number, I wan erase the 94mins of my life wey I just waste.
Nonsense.

Naa, lets travel back in time like Hiro and Ando on a leg breaking mission so some players are not fit to play. But whose leg do we break first out of the entire squad cos none of them were fit to wear the shirt today.

chamotex:
@Dudu

What happened now?  

I nor know o, that is what they call the magic of the cups, I'm still in wonderland  

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=567426.msg7519000#msg7519000 date=1294869652]Eboue?[/quote]I agree, but then we always knew Eboue gets at least one Clichy type moment in a high profile game.  
remember this was exactly how he was raising his arm when Malouda scored to equalise against us in that FA semi final.