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Christianity EtcRe: "Jesus" Or "Christ"? Which are you following? by e36991: 10:34am On Jul 04, 2010
Jenwitemi:
^^^^

Another dichotomy to quarrel over?

You guys just keep on creating more and more schizms amongst yourselves, more means of divide to war over.

Una no dey taya? Are your lives that empty? Are the holes in your lives so great that you would need endless supply of dramas to fill them up?

Jesus weeps for una.
@Jenwitemi

Dichotomy? Yes but mind you without beefing . . .

You've had your say alright albeit it's the usual & familiar typical knee jerk reaction
PoliticsRe: DEMOCRACY OR THEOCRACY WHICH FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS BETTER FOR HUMMAN by e36991: 8:42am On Jul 04, 2010
Addendum.

@smlafolabi

FYI here is Samuel's reference to the Isralites desire for autocracy

1 Samuel 12:12-13 KJV:
12And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you,

ye said
unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king.

13Now therefore behold the king whom ye have chosen, and whom ye have desired!

and, behold, the LORD hath set a king over you.
PoliticsRe: DEMOCRACY OR THEOCRACY WHICH FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS BETTER FOR HUMMAN by e36991: 8:20am On Jul 04, 2010
smlafolabi:
DEMOCRACY. IS GOVERNMENT BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE. WHEREBY HUMANS ARE ALLOW TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN LEADERS THEMSELVES

AUTOCRACY. IS GOVERNMENT BY GOD FOR PEOPLE. WHEREBY GOD CHOOSE HUMAN LEADER TO GOVERN HUMANS
Image123:
This your autocracy definition get as hin be, it looks autocratic.

Anyway, se na debate abi enquiry?
@smlafolabi

When posting next time, easy does it. Capitalizations infers you're shouting  wink

Democracy or autocracy? Neither is better or right for humans

Image123 is right, is this a debate or enquiry?

Anyways, I am assuming you actually are/were thinking of "Theocracy" - a rule by GOD

Theocracy is a government by God for His people, whereby GOD governs/rules as the supreme civil ruler

Theocracy has always been the intention of God and has its origin as far back in Eden . . .

The Isralites as a people and/or nation rejected its reintroduction on a flimsy excuse to be like the joneses (i.e. other nations)

The re-introduction lasted from their deliverance out of Egypt until the appointment of king(s)


1 Samuel 8:6-7 KJV:
6But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.

7And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee:

for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them
1 Samuel 8:19-20 KJV:
19Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

20That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
Read the entire 1 Samuel 8 chapter for more details
PoliticsRe: Adolf Hitler Reacts To Fg Spending 10 Billion Naira For Independence Day by e36991: 8:47pm On Jul 03, 2010
na2day!:
yeah, its copyright infringement, but i had fun doin it though grin
youtube could sometimes be a kill joy
@^^^

FYI I do recall reading the below snip way back

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/01/05/Downfall460.jpg
Bruno Ganz as Hitler in Der Untergang (Downfall).
It took $92m at the box office - but couldn't it add to that?


". . . Was it really a good idea for Constantin Films, the company that made the (excellent) 2004 film Der Untergang (Downfall), to step up its demands for YouTube to remove all the video spoofs using a clip from its film? Constantin obviously thinks yes. At the moment a search on YouTube for "Downfall" suggests there are still about 200 parodies up there, but new ones aren't getting added: yesterday's "lost iPhone 4G" video, for example, had a YouTube version - which was immediately taken down.

YouTube is removing them by using its ContentID service, which can find clips which use the same soundtrack or video if it has been registered as copyrighted . . .!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/apr/21/downfall-spoof-removal-mistake
Christianity EtcRe: Why.israel Demand A King, And Reject Theocracy System? by e36991: 2:07pm On Jul 02, 2010
Pastor AIO:
Say please kindly. not 'do it now'.

If you say please I would be willing to help.
@^^^

Ditto here too
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 5:46pm On Jul 01, 2010
ogajim:
^^^ Donkey on a talk show, hilarious!
@^^^

[img]http://www.reverendfun.com/add_toon_info.php?date=19981007&language=en[/img]
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 1:54pm On Jul 01, 2010
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 11:21pm On Jun 30, 2010
aletheia:
Funny about Balaam and the donkey. That was the image that came to mind when I saw this:

Quote from: Image123 on 30th June 2010 at 07:45:27 AM
No, the logic is that not anybody could talk anyhow to Peter of his own, but somebody of the status of Paul.
In God's house, everything is done decently and in ORDER.
Just like in a family, if the 'head' does wrong, it's not necessarily every harry that can correct him.
Plus the way A can correct him is different from the way B can correct him.
A faceless graceless figure cannot correct leaders as if he's correcting his househelp at home.
That's the context who's peter and who's paul.
aletheia:
Wanted to say Balaam was rebuked by (of all things) a donkey!

Quote from: 2 Peter 2:15-16
15Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing,

16but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.
@^^^

https://thebackpew.com/backpew/images/balaamsdonkey2.jpg
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 9:37pm On Jun 30, 2010
nuclearboy:
. . .  problem with these blowhards is that they are totally sold out to hope.

Their hope is that one day, it will be their turn for the MOGs' anointing to cause a miracle to happen in their lives.

This translates to fear -

[1] fear that they may offend the MOG and thus, lose the "prophet's reward". Meanwhile, simpleton me thinks Christ's rewards outweighs prophet's rewards.
[2] fear that they may be wrong and we may be right - strike the thought at all costs so they defend against "chei, my hope is hopeless"
[3] fear that they may truly actually be required to do something by themselves. Its so much easier to ride on another's back
[4] fear that all they've insisted on believing for so long is wrong. What is worse than realising you've been deluding yourself for 10 years? I KNOW - it is realising you've been deluding yourself for 15 years (5 years after you first saw proof)  grin

Thats what happened with the mob who welcomed Jesus to town - HERE was finally the ONE who would save them from Rome.

Two days later, it dawned on them it wasn't THAT KIND of "save" and by the third day, they blamed Him and brayed for His blood.

Donkeys then and still donkeys now:

BUT Balaam's donkey would have kicked me if it heard me compare it to them  wink
@^^

[img]http://www.reverendfun.com/add_toon_info.php?date=20080825&language=en[/img]
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 9:13pm On Jun 30, 2010
To whom the crown fit, let him/her wear it

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Whats the use of a sheep's clothing when the shepherd's clothes is there . . .

  [img]http://www.reverendfun.com/add_toon_info.php?date=20080728&language=en[/img]
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 8:57pm On Jun 30, 2010
Where the watchmen at? Ah o ma se ooo

Its a dirty task alright but someone has to say/do it . . .

These watchmen (e.g. Nuclearboy, Ogajim etc) are not blind: they are all not ignorant (i.e. not without knowledge)

they all are not mute dogs that cannot bark;

they arent jonesying, dreaming, lying down or loving to slumber
PoliticsRe: Drugs Raid On UK Nigerian Diplomat's Home by e36991(op): 8:50pm On Jun 29, 2010
MrPrsdent:
Would the British be as understanding if the reverse happened in Abuja ?
@MrPrsdent

They will, certainly after huffing and puffing
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 11:00pm On Jun 28, 2010
nuclearboy:
^^^ Hello there again:

missed you most of today though I peeped and saw you once but was on my way out then.

On "Image123", twould be nice if it was as you said but its not.

The dude seems to believe he has unction to follow me around casting all manner of aspersions on my character and motives yet knowing nothing of it!

Again, I recap my position - I have NOTHING against giving.

IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF TITHES AS THE BIBLE CONTAINS IT, and you decide to pay it, I have NOTHING against it.

BUT IF you call yourself a Christian (or man of God) and you tell people that tithes (10%) are compulsory

and non-payment means a "devourer" is against you and God is offended at you, then you are a thief and not likely Christian.

If you preach that the giving of such must be to the church ALONE, you are a thief.

That is non-negotiable with me because it is counter to the Word. And ALL MEN are below/under the Word no matter who they are!


. . . I am not sorry to say the Bible is there for anyone to see how Jesus spoke to those who followed Him around looking for ways to trip Him up.

And the terms the Apostles used to describe those who turned the Gospel to human gain are still there for us to see.
@nuclearboy

Its been another day, another gazillion of dollars for me

had been checking the forum's updates from work . . .

I rarely post from work unless its exceptionally necessary . . .

I'll soon be diving for the duvet for the night

Hey, all those come with the terrain. Who builds a house without contemplating the cost.

The kitchen is bound to be hot, isnt it?

Child's play compared to ". . . He was scorned and mocked, but endured all for the sake of the gospel . . ."

You have not become an enemy by telling the truth . . .

There is a devourer all right and fruits do fall in the field before their time ( i.e. devourer is akin to a principle/law)

Anyways, I do relate and you both are right and devoted to a good cause in different ways and entry levels
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 10:23pm On Jun 28, 2010
- On a lighter mood

for the tithers and non-tithers you wont miss out on a prayer grin

https://htmlimg2.scribdassets.com/9nhlev6f4018toy/images/1-06f9a448ae/000.png
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 10:16pm On Jun 28, 2010
ogajim:
Phobo phobia or what kind of phobia?

You and the "numbered" dude can't ride viaro's gravy train all the way without giving your own side now,

we now understand viaro's take on tithes and how he doesn't like both EXTREMES, where are you two?

"Investment banking" Christianity is WRONG and folks ought to know that no matter who get's pissed about it,

some of us are too GROUNDED/SECURE in our beliefs to bother about the "output" of some "executed program", see where this is going?

I don't need to disclose my giving to NO ONE and not obligated to but you can do that if that works for you,

remember the first 10 amendments to the Constitution,  grin grin grin
https://www.spada.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kit-kat.jpg

@O ga ooo Jim

Numbered dude indeed, grin I'll show you numbered in a minute  grin

Give it a rest, will ya?

Flesh and blood did not reveal ". . . I don't need to disclose my giving to NO ONE . . . " to you.

Aye, the Lord's word is blessed

"But when you do a charitable deed, do not let  your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your charitable deed may be in secret"
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 9:56pm On Jun 28, 2010
Image123:
e36991

Please I'm just curious. Hope nuclearboy didn't have emotional outbursts in your private discuss?

I'm really hoping someone can tell him in private to forget sheer folly. He doesn't seem to see things easily in public.
@Image123

No, on the contrary, we had a cautious and interesting discourse grounded with mutual respect and understanding

To be honest with you, I admit its a dirty task exposing perpetrators and warning those snookered by their malarkey

but someone has to do it and say it as it is

If it has to be Nuclearboy doing or saying it, so be it . . .

Between you and I, I think both of you on certain positions agree to disagree

and merely just relish winding each other up

- in a brotherly manner I trust
PoliticsDrugs Raid On UK Nigerian Diplomat's Home by e36991(op): 8:07pm On Jun 28, 2010
Drugs raid on Nigerian diplomat's home after heating is turned up

Scotland Yard has admitted that police raided the Hendon home of a diplomat attached to the Nigerian High Commission after the warmth given off from his heating system was mistaken for signs of a cannabis factory.

Officers searched the house of the Commissioner's deputy head of political affairs, Ikeczukwu Nwokike, after a helicopter using thermal imaging equipment spotted what appeared to be a higher than normal heat coming from the roof.

Drugs farms often use high-powered lights which give off huge amounts of heat to aid the growth of the illegal crop.

Police obtained a search warrant and raided Mr Nwokike's home, apparently not having checked the identity of the occupant.

It is not known if the official was home at the time. Police found no drugs and traced the heat source to the central heating system
.

An insider said the raid took place during a cold spell earlier this month and the central heating in the house was turned up to the maximum.

A police spokeswoman said: “We can confirm a warrant to search for cannabis plants was executed at a home in north London on June 17 by officers acting on information from the Met air support unit.

"There were no drugs found and no arrests made. Further inquiries traced the heat source to the heating system.”

A spokesman for the Nigerian High Commission said that although the operation could have been interpreted as a violation of diplomatic conventions, the High Commission would not be taking the matter to the “extreme”.

He added: “We accept the explanation that the helicopter detected something but that these things don't necessarily work with fine precision.”

Police regularly use the force's helicopter to trace cannabis factories. Last year patrols identified 160 houses as possible cannabis factories, of which 113 were found to be growing the drug under “hydroponic conditions”.

About £13.5 million worth of cannabis was seized in raids on cannabis factories in London.

The Met witnessed a peak in drug farms in 2005/06 when 648 were found in London but since then the number has fallen as organised crime gangs, mainly from south-east Asia, have moved out to the suburbs and Home Counties.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23849822-drugs-police-raid-home-of-nigerian-high-commissioner-after-he-turned-the-heating-up.do
Christianity EtcBelgian Police Raid Church by e36991(op): 8:42pm On Jun 27, 2010
[size=13pt]Pope calls Belgian police Church raids "deplorable"[/size]

Pope Benedict denounced on Sunday as "surprising and deplorable" raids by Belgian police on Church offices and the home of a cardinal this week during an investigation into paedophilia by Roman Catholic priests.

In a letter to the head of the Belgian bishops conference, Benedict expressed his "solidarity" after Thursday's search of two Church offices and the home of a former archbishop, during which computers and files were removed and at least one tomb was opened.

Belgium's bishops, who were holding a meeting at the time of the raids, were kept incommunicado for nine hours while the searches were conducted.

"At this sad time, I wish to express ,  my closeness and solidarity for the surprising and deplorable ways in which the searches were carried out," the pope said in his message.

"I hope that justice will follow its course while guaranteeing the rights of individuals and institutions, respecting the victims, (and) acknowledging those who undertake to collaborate," Benedict added.

The Vatican protested to Belgium on Friday, expressing "shock" at the way the raids were carried out and "indignation" at what it said was the violation of tombs.

The Belgian Church was rocked in April when the bishop of Bruges, Roger Vangheluwe, resigned and admitted to sexual abuse before and after becoming a bishop. He was the first European bishop to step down for committing sexual abuse of minors himself.

The Belgian Church has apologised for its silence on abuse cases in the past and its new leader, Brussels Archbishop Andre-Joseph Leonard, has promise[/b]d a policy [b]of zero tolerance towards predator priests.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100627/tts-uk-vatican-abuse-belgium-ca02f96.html
Christianity EtcRe: How To Contact Your Guardian Angels by e36991: 9:29pm On Jun 26, 2010
essenceapp:
As I watch the reactions from the online public about this post, I find the responses getting more interesting every passing minute.

Honestly, I'm amazed some people do not believe that Angels do exist and that they serve certain purposes in our lives.

The bible gives graphical details of the existence, duties and relevance of God's Angels in our day to day lives . . .
essenceapp:
Here are more biblical proofs for the existence of Guardian Angels . . .

. . . Have you discovered your's yet?
@^^^

Dont get it twisted. We all know guarding angels do exist

but here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-465226.0.html#msg6240425

you started the thread with some bizzare and ludicrous hocus pocus angels summoning ritual

It is banded about that one third of the angels left heaven with the devil leaving two thirds behind.

Angels are sent (i.e. to minister) they are not summoned.

Demons (i.e. fallen angels) however are a different kettle of fish,

If the bottle is rubbed the right way, they'll turn up like the fabled genie in a bottle.

Caveat emptor. Let the buyer beware! At his or her own risk . . .
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 8:25pm On Jun 26, 2010
ogajim:
DUDE!

Don't get too far ahead of your self buddy,

I see nothing funny making fun of dead guys or calling living souls by dead folks' names but again, I'll just leave that at "to each his own"

If 10% is all you can give, nothing wrong with that but no one should equally condemn folks who can give more or less, nowhere did the Bible tell us to give a simple %, We are asked repeatedly to give as the Spirit leads us not in the way it is MOSTLY preached these days starting right here in the USA to Nigeria where it's been taken to a higher level.

I have standards below which I do not operate so don't expect equal sarcasm from this side, I don't do stuff because others are doing it neither do I feel a need to dwell on my giving, I just refuse to believe the way they go about it, I believe we still love you all with the love of God.
@Oga ooo Jim

What are you like eh? A comedy and a half huh?

Have a kit-kat

What's your suggestion or alternative for christians then

Christians dont have hang ups with the Christ tag after Jesus died

Dont know what you're on about with " . . . condemning folks who can give more or less . . ." I certainly didnt infer that & you arent quoting me

but I do know there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 4:43pm On Jun 26, 2010
@nuclearboy

FYI a1422935@bofthew.com too is now defunct

It's hot out there, hey have this wink . . .

https://food.sulekha.com/dishimages/1247.jpg
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 4:24pm On Jun 26, 2010
nuclearboy:
@e36991:

Check your mail. But remember, "Strawberries are my favorite fruit"
@nuclearboy

Hi you the man!

Got it

Check your inbox for "You got mail"
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 3:54pm On Jun 26, 2010
Image123:
nuclearboy

When will you start to be honest? It's open to many that the anti-tither's base is fear. They are THE TITHEPHOBICs.

I recall you screaming in utter anguish "I HAVE EVERYTHING against tithes".

Sorry if such forgettable memories trouble you, as I see your 'diplomacy' on this page . . .
@Image123

That was a momentary emotional outburst (i.e. emotion is energy in motion)

Emotion deals with feelings, experiences (i.e. good or bad ones) etc

If not checked emotions often clouds ones actions or decision (i.e. a conclusion of an issue can get influenced by emotion)

The best decisions made are those done when emotions were put aside (i.e. logical and factual thinking was done)

Understandably peeps have been used and abused

and are now disgusted of dog collared charlatans wagging their tails all the way to the banks after pissing from the pulpit
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 3:08pm On Jun 26, 2010
e36991:
@nuclearboy

Thanks for obliging . . .

Drop me a mail at a1411326@bofthew.com

The yahoo ID will follow after we've done a mutual authentication and integrity test (i.e. to confirm its really us communicating)
@nuclearmanboy

Seems you're online right now . . .

Scratch out the above

Use this mail address a1422935@bofthew.com to drop me a mail

Sorry I waited over 3 hours monitoring my inbox before permitting the former mail address to self-destruct
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 11:45am On Jun 26, 2010
nuclearboy:
^^ . . . drop your Yahoo ID.

You are honorable and so I am honored.

. . . I await your Yahoo "tag"
@nuclearboy

Thanks for obliging . . .

Drop me a mail at a1411326@bofthew.com

The yahoo ID will follow after we've done a mutual authentication and integrity test (i.e. to confirm its really us communicating)
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 8:46am On Jun 26, 2010
nuclearboy:
^^ E36991 believes OT tithing was a type pointing to what God expects us to do NOW; as it were - a starting point. That is reasonable.

Problem is that God wants us to give willingly and cheerfully as OUR heart determines.

How does e36991 then relate this to the average guy who never comes to understand this but is "made" to believe through

[1] trust in the preacher(s)
[2] fear of not being in tandem with what the trusted preacher says
[3] an ignorance of the scriptures helped mainly by these "trusted" preachers who insist you need a "special" anointing to understand plain language.

And what he is made to believe is

[1] Tithes MUST BE PAID ACCORDING to how the preacher says
[2] Tithes are neccessary OR you go to hell
[3] Without tithes, you cannot prosper or have good health

@e36991:

How do you reconcile the way it is presented "IN TODAY'S REALITY" by your "own" informed knowledge that God wants us to give willingly.

Does God require that the "tax collectors" lie and confuse us so God can get what He wants but which THEY spend?

Do you remember stories of when the white man came here and the missionary schools?

Christianity was the "vehicle" on which education, better health and science rode?

How expensive was that education or health or understanding?
How do you compare that to the Costs of Covenant University where even Living Faiths pastor's cant afford to send their children who are chased out on fees default?

Your poetry is nice and I'm sure you play the guitar/piano well.

How does your poetry etc help those who you YOURSELF say the schoolmaster gave us the understanding of who this "help" was meant for

i.e the poor, widow and stranger AND workers (who were included because they had no other means)?
@nuclearboy

Whao! Reading through the post(s) with patience is admirable. We can take this further and jaw-jaw on Yahoo Instant Messenger

- I can drop a mail address here if you're game. Holler if/when you're ready

Note all boils down to what God (i.e. the Influencer) is to you, the type of relationship you have with Him, your intimacy/knowledge of Him etc

Importantly also to note is that God hasnt given us a spirit of fear but love power and a sound mind

All ought to study to show themselves approved . . .

The day the truth is known, one shall be free indeed of all falsehoods, ignorance, scare-mongering etc


It's a pity, we will always have the poor with us but the training of the law of tithing (i.e. the schoolmaster) hints how they can be taken care of

The bath water of course is dirty but hey do we have to throw the baby out with the dirty bath water

No, hence the call to wash the baby with soap and clean water
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 7:53am On Jun 26, 2010
OgaJim:
Trying to understand what this whole write up was intended to convey, musical bent I must say cheesy

FACT: It is not Christian to call folks names they were not given or intended to be called!, eg, Gary Coleman reference, I am not a judge oooooo

Is it okay for you to call your giving tithe and others choose a different name for theirs?

Is it only MONEY (straight cash homey) that one can give? >>>see where the "greed" is leading?

No need for name calling, that's even below high school let alone Christian,
@OgaJim

. . . a bit over your head was it?

Is it OK to call giving tithe and others choose a different name for theirs?

Answer: Semantics aside, if the giving was a tenth, what would that giving be? Technically it is tithe, isnt it?

Is it only MONEY?

Answer: This is a myopic assumption. Of course giving can be time, talent or financial contributions

Name calling?

Answer: Tell me is GaryColemanArnoldJackson the same as Gary Coleman.

- With the strikeouts, obviously not the same

Oga Jim you dont half tell porkies. O ga ooo Jim. Na wa ooo.

Those familiar with the television sitcom "Diff'rent Strokes"

would have already figured that the ID garyarnold is a juxtapose of the actor's first name and his TV role's first name

- Actor's name; Gary Coleman - and his role name; Arnold Jackson
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 8:41pm On Jun 25, 2010
Viaro:
Have you ever heard other Christians who base their reason for tithing on Abraham's example instead of the Levitical tithe? No?

Then you're living in a small world indeed.

There are so many pastors and members of churches around the world who teach tithing on the basis of the Melchizedek priesthood

and not on the Levitical priesthood . . .

. . . Do you now see why no sane mind would be arguing your anti-tithing legalism?

Yes, the apostles taught Christian doctrines on the basis of the Levitical system;

but rather than apply the Law in a legalistic manner championed by anti-tithers, they rather sought to follow simple PRINCIPLES.

This is why Christians can tithe from their income without waiting for your legalism of 'crops and animals'.

Just get rid of your legalism and you will be thankful for the release that follows.
Enigma:
Whether it is Abraham "tithe", Melchisedec "tithe", Jacob "tithe", Levitical "tithe", Malachi "tithe",

the fact remains that the teaching/preaching of "tithing" today is overwhelmingly fraudulent and a scam. The scam must be resisted and condemned.

Again, I repeat, those who are teaching/preaching the so-called "voluntary" "tithing" are simply aiding and abetting the scammers.
@^^^

Viaro sure legalism is one of the greatest robber[/b]s [b]of Christian benefits,

it robs people of their understanding of the Word of God and all of the benefits of the gift of Grace

Enigma and others (i.e. crusaders) are we now expected to throw the baby out with the bath water?

No, on the contrary, as Viaro has already mentioned clean up the act and get back what the devil has stolen or is destroying

Tithing is a shadow of the antitype (i.e. the antitype is how it was meant to be or how the status quo was originally)

Viaro has pushed the boat out and already stepped out at the deep end

so you better know how to stand on water the Word before plunging in after alternatively be sure you can swim

Right. Why has this subject matter turned into an arduous task?

Why is it failing to find the common ground and why problems having a mutual understanding?

This is a one of the classic full circle moments of time

Remember Cain & Abel's first free will offering >> then Abraham's Melchizedek tithe >> the Isralites Levitical tithe >> New Testament's free will offering

Well Cain & Abel's free will offering is self explanatory as it is. Abel got it right but Cain somehow didnt manage to.

Abraham's Melchizedek tithe was an offering of instinct, a way of saying thanks to God and demonstrating his acceptance of God as his Owner; Lord.

Abraham's tithe had nothing to do with a pre-existing law but everything to do with a grateful heart and a love for God.

Note that Abraham was moved to give the tithe and was not forced or compelled.

The Isralites Levitical tithe needed the schoolmaster (i.e. the Laws of Moses) to justify tithes and make it mandatory

Where the protagonists have a valid case with the perpetrators' methods of obtaining & flaunting their shameful gains

GaryColemanArnold'sJackson argument against paying tithes seems to be with its association with the law (i.e. the Schoolmaster)

But we know giving of tithes was around before the law (i.e. the Schoolmaster) and that free will offering was before giving of tithes

So the law (i.e. the Schoolmaster) did not invent tithing it only exposed it (i.e. similarly as the OT usually conceals the NT and the NT conversely reveals the OT)

Just as the law (i.e. the Schoolmaster) has always steadily helped to establish the importance of many of the unwritten truths already known by the patriarchs

it helped in the training of giving ontowards free-will giving by establishing the importance and relevance of tithing.

Now that Jesus brought us grace and faith there is no longer the need for the supervision of the law (i.e. the schoolmaster)

Jesus taught us to give. The New Testament admonishes us to give.

Hey, tithing too, the forerunner has taught us how to measure our giving and showed us how (i.e. let us know where to begin). How good is that, eh?

From the law (i.e. the Schoolmaster) we have the understanding that the purpose of tithing is for:

1) Supporting the work of God and the Kingdom of Heaven
2) Providing for His workers (i.e. DIY wealth gain or lucre is a big No No)
3) To support aliens; not ETs grin  but rather strangers, the marginalised, the homeless, disadvantaged etc; the fatherless and widows

The absence of any direct command in the NT to pay tithes does not relieve saints of the great privilege of giving, or does it?

Tithe serves a helpful hint of where a dedicated believer could start giving from.

The act itself is not to fulfil the law (i.e. satisfy the Schoolmaster)

but rather a display acknowledging God as the one that provides and gives power to get or make wealth . . .

Passing the humility test  (i.e  lofty, prideful or arrogant when successful test).

Moses' Deu 8:17-18 NIV to the stiffed-neck Isralites:
17You may say to yourself, "My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me."

18But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth,

and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.
The full circle moment: free will offering >> tithe >> free will offering . . . back to square one.

. . . Unlike Cain, I pray you get it right when doing the right thing, at the right time and remain in right standing with God whilst doing it  . . .
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 5:14pm On Jun 24, 2010
Crusaders! Hey ease up on Nike grin

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Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 2:49am On Jun 24, 2010
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This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts

It's a natural grace
Of watching young life shape

It's in minor keys
Solutions and remedies
Enemies becoming friends
When bitterness ends

This is my church (x3)
This is my church

This is where I heal my hurts
It's in the world I become
Contained in the hum
Between voice and drum

It's in the change
The poetic justice of cause and effect
Respect, love, compassion

This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts

For tonight
God is a DJ

For tonight
God is a DJ

This is my church (x3)
Christianity EtcRe: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by e36991: 1:56am On Jun 24, 2010
One word: self-righteous git
Christianity EtcRe: Remembering Dreams - 10 Tips by e36991: 11:14pm On Jun 23, 2010
And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;

Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions,

Your old men shall dream dreams."


- Acts 2:17 KJV

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