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viaro:
. . .  let's not begin to play games on semantics.

If you want to be very particular, does Matthew 23:23 become void on the basis of the new covenant? If so, how so?

The moment you void that verse, your entire Christianity collapses!

If you never realised this fact, you never knew anything about the new covenant.

viaro:
Gary, that is the real problem - and NOT "tithing".

I have said somewhere in this thread that tithing is a form of giving; and you cannot argue otherwise.

Hence, if the problem is false teachers, why then bastardise the word just because of false teachers?

To begin to argue over non-essentials about not calling 'giving', 'tithing is also adding confusion to the whole issue.

We may not be involved 24/7 in ministry, but we know that what you are presenting is a logical fallacy.

The problem is not those giving a tithe of their income (call it a tenth, ten percent, etc)

- you have acknowledged this yourself, so why harp endlessly against tithes?

Why go to such length of inferring that tithers are sinning or that they have fallen from grace

or even that they are rejecting what Jesus did on the Cross?

If you understood the difference in all this from the onset, I'm sure you would not have had to make such regrettable assertions initially.

Why then did YOU Gary refer to it as "disgusting"? You seem to be inconsistent

- and this inconsistency is a serious problem with many anti-tithers (of course, many pro-tithers do have many inconsistencies).

My dear Gary, I'm not trying to pick on you or show you up for anything;

but I dare say that your arguments are adding hugely to the confusion.

What you have said about tithers are quite condemnatory

- not only have you asserted that tithers were sinning; or that they had fallen from grace;

but also that they were rejecting what Jesus did on the cross, etc.

You therefore cannot maintain that you had never condemned anyone for giving a tenth of their income to the church

- for "a tenth"  is quite simply the same as a "tithe".

Do you travel to meet people ALL OVER THE WORLD who say the same thing? Do you imagine that every tither assumes the same thing?

If some have inferred such misleading ideas from tithing, are we then to condemn 'tithing' altogether?

Let me give you two examples why your arguments are weak logical fallacies . . .

. . . In the same way, we know that 'tithing' in itself is NOT the problem.

Yes, many have abused it in applying it as a tool for fraudulent practices in the Church. So what?

We should set clear that the abuses be dealt with, and not instead be making vacuous assertions to attack tithing in itself.

Someone who teaches that a non-tither would go to hell for not tithing is teaching falsely

- the false message should be dealt with, rather than attack tithing.

Another teaches that the tither has fallen from grace, and we know that is false as well

- hence, we should deal with the false notion there instead of attacking the tither or tithing. You get my drift?

Be encouraged - serve as the Lord enables you, and God bless you more.

However, endeavour to help them soundly by eschewing inconsistent assertions you can't maintain from God's Word.

There's nothing wrong or biggy about that

- as others who live from their ministry are on sound grounds to do so as long as they do not use the ministry as a super-highway for filthy lucre.

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@Viaro

You've probably pi$$ed GaryColemanArnoldJackson off with the above wrist slapping

Maybe its because he is just too Far-to-see or simply and plainly an outright pharisee

Anyway, Bravo! I couldnt have articulated it better than how you sweat and laboured it

I'll try not to chip in more than an extra 2 cents six liners 

♪♫ Here we go x2 ♪♫ ♪♫ Here we go now!♪♩♪ . . .

Lets tip the bucket and steadily pick up the marbles all over again

What came first? Was it tithing or the law (i.e. the schoolmaster)

Tithing incidentally started freely as an instinct, didnt it?

Stiff-necked school kids need authoritative schoolmasters, dont they?

But the teachings and/or discipline of the schoolmaster ceases the day one graduates, isnt it?

Because you’ve come off age and now grown (i.e. a transition to maturity and sensibleness) aint it?

Is it likely that tithing is a type (i.e. a shadow, a presentation of an idea to the mind or taste of the revealed antitype to come)

- A foreshadow of the "koo-ko"

Now yall understand my position of "in the middle"

not to be confused with "sitting on the fence"

"In the middle" & "on the fence" are mutually exclusive

essenceapp:
I find reactions from the online public about this post quite revealing.

To start with, it appears a number of people are either not interested in their own dreams or they outrightly just prefer denying the existence of dreams.

The bible is very clear about the purpose of dreams as a communication vehicle between us humans and our creator, God.

He discloses this purpose to us in Job 33: 14-15

Some of the most astonishing events in human history have been earlier settled in dreams either as a direct message or as a parable . . .


. . . Do you still say dreams are not important?

@ ^^^

Do you still say dreams are not important was the question.

Important? Of course they are important

but in these last days the old men are left to notch up the mileage dreaming off in slumber land

You'll have to shut or close eyes to dream dreams, isnt it?

Prophesy and see visions; different kettles of fish

If you aint an old man, I'll recommend you stick to prophesying or seeing visions;

garyarnold:
You said, "Now because Aaron and his family were also Levites, they too would have been expected to tithe. Aint that right?"

No, that ain't right.  

The Levitical priests did NOT receive the tithe.  

The rest of the Levites received the tithe, and they gave a tenth of the tenth to the Levitical priests.  The Levitical priests did NOT tithe.

You are VERY confused.

@garyarnold

Where does it categorically say Aaron and his sons were exempted then.

Confused? You wish . . .

Levites and priests tithed from their share

Don't be too quick on the draw.

By the way remember that on the issue discussed I sit somewhere in the middle,

not to be misinterpreted with sitting on the fence.

My cards shielded & guarded closely to my chest . . .

Quick-answer-in-two-seconds questions for you though, here they are

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Sorry, on a serious note, here are the questions

Which came first, tithing or the Levitical priesthood?

Is there likely a shift concerning the paradigm or principle of tithing?

- You think its all about measly 10% eh. Cha!

Do you still need a schoolmaster? Remember you're off age; grown now

garyarnold:
You also need to look at:

Hebrews 7:14 (KJV)

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

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@garyarnold

Aw come off it, Whatcoo talkin bout, eh?

Sure God gave a tithe to the Levites for their work in the tabernacle and as an inheritance (Numbers 18:21, 24).

From the tithes they received, they were also to pay tithes (verse 26).

But noteworthy among the Levites God selected Aaron and his family to serve as priests (Exodus 4:14; Numbers 3:10)

Now because Aaron and his family were also Levites, they too would have been expected to tithe. Aint that right?

Read up on the Levirate Law to understand Jesus' geneology as a Levite

garyarnold:
Hebrews 7:5,12,18 make it perfectly clear that the Levitical priesthood, which included the Lord's Tithe, ended at Calvary. 

In fact, verse 18 tells us that Numbers 18, regarding the priesthood and ALL its laws, including tithing, was DISANNULLED.

Since WE are now the royal priesthood, and the priests DID NOT TITHE, how are we supposed to tithe? 

THE PRIESTS DID NOT TITHE.

@garyarnold

Garyarnold pull the other leg . . .

You know and I know that the priests tithed from the tithes

How you are supposed to tithe, am leaving that to you to figure out

You've confirmed you're now a royal priest

Also that priests (i.e. born again believers) are meant to be close to God

Saints and you inclusive have come off age now . . .

Trust me, you'll decipher the whole picture and suss out how

KunleOshob:
@36991

Jesus christ was not a levite, he was from the tribe of Judah and was not eligible to collect tithes. Heb 7:11-13

@KunleOshob

Are you saying that confidentally or that's what you think,

you want to watch that knee-jerk reaction

Study His geneology - He was; proxy his mother, a descendant of Aaron

Tell you what, by the time you read up on the "Levirate Law"

the penny should drop with an Ah-ha! exclamation

garyarnold:
Actually, the whole book of Malachi is addressed to the priests. 

Starting in chapter 1, by the time you get to verse 6 you see it is THE PRIESTS who are being addressed.

In both chapters 1 and 2 of Malachi there is a conversation going on between God and the priests.

Every time the word "you" is used, it is referring to the priests.

Chapter 3 continues with this conversation. In verse 5 God says "And I will come near to you to judgment…, "

In the Old Testament, during this period of time and generally speaking, only the priests could get near to God.

It is only in the New Testament that born again believers, you and I, can get close to God.

So up to chapter 3 verse 5, God is speaking to the priests.

The word "you" is still referring to the priests. There is nothing in the scripture to indicate this changes when you get to verse 8.

THE PRIESTS were robbing God, AND NOW they rob the children of God. 

HOW did they rob God of the tithe? No one actually took their tithe to God as God directed them to take His tithe to the Levites. 

To withhold the tithe from the Levites, or to steal the tithe from the Levites was considered robbing God. 

Since God NEVER changed His command to take His tithe to the Levites, anyone who takes His tithe to other than a Levite is robbing God.

To say God wants you to take His tithe to the church is a flat out LIE and cannot be substantiated by God's Word. 

STOP TELLING LIES!  Those who teach lies are liars.

@garyarnold

On the issue discussed I sit somewhere in the middle,

not to be miscontrued with sitting on the fence.

You might say I'm keeping my cards shielded & guarded closely to my chest . . .

Garyarnold, with your refernces to priests and Levites,

I am waiting for the protagonist(s) or antagonist(s); whichever is applicable or concerned

to soon lumber you with 1 Peter 2:9 (i.e. saints are a "royal priesthood"

secondly Luke 3:23-38 (i.e. Geneology of Jesus Christ as a Levite)

and thirdly Hebrews 5:1-10 (i.e. Christ's qualifications as High Priest)

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[size=14pt]A 'cascade' of brain activity as people die could explain near death experiences[/size]

[b]Mysterious near death experiences may be caused by a surge of electrical activity in the brain moments before it dies, it has been claimed.

Doctors believe that a burst of brain activity occurs just before death and this could account for vivid "spiritual" experiences reported by those who come back from the brink.

The researchers suggest this surge could be why some patients who have been revived when close to death report sensations such as walking towards a bright light or a feeling that they are floating above their body.

“We think the near-death experiences could be caused by a surge of electrical energy released as the brain runs out of oxygen,” said Dr Lakhmir Chawla, an intensive care doctor at George Washington University medical centre in Washington.

“As blood flow slows down and oxygen levels fall, the brain cells fire one last electrical impulse. It starts in one part of the brain and spreads in a cascade and this may give people vivid mental sensations.”

Many revived patients have reported being bathed in bright light or suffused with a sense of peace as they start to walk into a light-filled tunnel.

A few even say they experienced visions of religious figures such as Jesus or Muhammad or Krishna, while others describe floating above their own deathbed, observing the scene.

Dr Chawla believes such experiences have a biological explanation rather than a metaphysical one[/b].

In the research he used an electroencephalograph (EEG), a device that measures brain activity, to monitor seven terminally ill people.

The medical purpose of the devices was to make sure that the patients, suffering from conditions such as cancer and heart failure, were sufficiently sedated to be out of pain.

However, Dr Chawla noticed that moments before death the patients experienced a burst in brainwave activity lasting from 30 seconds to three minutes.

The activity was similar to that seen in people who are fully conscious, even though the patients appeared asleep and had no blood pressure. Soon after the surge abated, they were pronounced dead.

Dr Chawla’s research, published in the Journal of Palliative Medicine, is thought to be the first to suggest that near-death experiences have a particular physiological cause.

Although it describes only seven patients, he says he has seen the same things happening “at least 50 times” as people die.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7785944/A-cascade-of-brain-activity-as-people-die-could-explain-near-death-experiences.html

[size=14pt]Michelangelo hid anatomical sketches in Sistine Chapel in Church attack[/size]

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^{According to two American neuroscientists,
the image of the brain is ingeniously hidden in the depiction of God's neck and chin}

Michelangelo concealed anatomical sketches in the robes and faces of the figures he painted on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel in a coded attack on the Church's disdain for science, researchers believe.

The cleverly disguised drawing of a human brain, which has remained unnoticed for 500 years, may have been a coded reference to the clash between science and religion.

The Renaissance master, who painted the frescoes in the Sistine Chapel between 1508 and 1512, would have been familiar with what a brain looked like – he was an accomplished anatomist who is known to have dissected many corpses.
     
According to two American neuroscientists, the image of the brain is ingeniously hidden in the depiction of God's neck and chin in "Separation of Light From Darkness", which depicts the first act performed by God in the creation of the universe.

It is one of nine panels on the Sistine Chapel's ceiling based on scenes from the Book of Genesis.

Art historians have long speculated that the strange, lumpy appearance of the figure's neck may represent a goiter.

But Ian Suk and Rafael Tamargo, of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland, believe instead that it bears a striking resemblance to the crevices and creases of a human brain.

"Stunningly, following Michelangelo's outline, one can draw into God's neck and beard an anatomically correct ventral depiction of the brain," they write in the scientific journal "Neurosurgery".

"We propose that Michelangelo, a deeply religious man and an accomplished anatomist, intended to enhance the meaning of this ,  panel and possibly document his anatomic accomplishments by concealing this sophisticated neuro-anatomic rendering within the image of God."

They also believe that an odd-looking, vertical fold in the crimson robe worn by the figure of God represents the spinal cord, and that a mysterious Y-shaped fold at his waist may be an optic nerve.

Leonardo da Vinci had produced a detailed study of optic nerves 20 years previously in 1487, a study which Michelangelo may well have seen when the two worked in Florence at the same time.

The new thesis may explain something that has puzzled art critics for centuries – the peculiar lighting of God's neck.

Most of the fresco is illuminated from the lower left of the panel, but the neck is lit head-on and slightly from the right, casting different shadows.

Profs Suk and Tamargo argue that, far from being a clumsy error by Michelangelo, the peculiar angle deliberately enhanced the anatomical components of the brain.

By merging an image of God with a human brain, Michelangelo may have been seeking a covert outlet to show off his anatomical knowledge at a time when picking apart cadavers was frowned on by the Roman Catholic Church.

Alternatively, he may have been alluding to the wisdom of the Almighty or – more dangerously - hinting at his growing belief that ordinary Christians had the wit and intelligence to directly commune with God, rather than pray to Him indirectly through the Church.

That was an idea that would have been seen as heresy, particularly as the fresco is situated directly above the chapel altar.

Michelangelo's relationship with the Vatican became increasingly fraught during his career.

He fell out with Pope Julius II over payment for painting the Sistine Chapel, and came to loathe what he saw as the extravagance and vanity of the Church.

This is not the first time that medical experts have discerned hidden anatomical drawings in Michelangelo's work.

In 1990, an American doctor, Frank Meshberger, published a report in the Journal of the American Medical Association in which he suggested that a cross-section image of a brain was concealed in another of the Sistine Chapel panels, the "Creation of Adam".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/7833070/Michelangelo-hid-anatomical-sketches-in-Sistine-Chapel-in-Church-attack.html

AIRDIG:
The crescent is now often used to symbolize the Islamic faith. However, I learnt from studies (Being a seeker, I study. I’m not just another run-of-the-mill simpletons who waits on nairaland to be feed some islamophobic half-truth crap by the likes of Frosbel, Jesus., Toba, Davidylan etc. Get it!) that the crescent was not a symbol used for Islam by Muhammad, (as the Islamic religion claims it forbids all images, as opposed to the way that the cross symbolizes Christianity, the menorah was a commonly-occurring symbol of Judaism, etc.).

Not to argue, but, why is it such a prominent Islamic symbol. why on the tops of mosques everywhere in the world? I would have thought that at some time some Muslim would have rejected the symbol. I mean no disrespect, I just don't understand it.

Frankly bro, I have not heard or caught wind of the slightest concern over this among Muslims to change it.
Is it just blindly accepted by Muslims of today as their symbol of faith or what, ?

P.S.  Objective/informed, not emotional response please!

@AIRDIG

Already asked . . .

Always do a search first on topics or subject before opening up a new thread


Why Does The Crescent Moon Symbol Sit On Top Of Mosques? « on: September 07, 2009, 10:43 PM »


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-320549.0.html

essenceapp:
There are times it would be nice to talk to your guardian angels on a first name basis. You wish to find out the name of your angel? There are many ways. For those interested, here's some information for you:

Preparation to be most receptive and intuitive:

1.Fast for 24 hours:
24 hour purification - abstain from certain activities, (like sex) minimal intake of addictive and stimulating beverage, spicy foods, and meat,  This is to calm down the nervous and energetic circuit.

2. Write down all the consonants in separate pieces of paper, or little square cards- if you have a scrabble set,the alphabets are ideal.

3. Place the pieces of paper in a bag, preferably a cloth bag

4. Light a white candle, burn some incense, frankincense is recommended, use copal or myrrh as substitute.

5. Center yourself: do some grounding, then get centered. State your intention, as in a prayer

This petition is from a book - you can write your own:

. . . , Dear Divine Angel who has alway been my protector, guide and ally. Please guide me to draw the letters that spell your Holy name, so that I may write it upon my heart and honor you as the friend that you are When I call your name, please be with me And show me so I can clearly see the path of light and love.

6. Take a letter from the bag, write it down on blank paper

7. Return the paper into the bag, shake the bag, take another letter. Repeat till you have three or four letters, write done in the order of picking

8. Let your higher self guide you as to how many to draw.

9. Now you have the letters- at the end add the letters EL.1

10. Example: Add whatever vowels feel right for you

Example: you draw: M D R add el thus you have M D R EL fill in the vowels that feel right to you.

11. Seems irrational but this is trusting a higher power, or your guardian angels to guide you till you find the vowels that sound right to you to make up the name. Most angel names end in EL

GOOD LUCK.

@^^

Dont be a butterfly romanticizing with a snare and n@ked flame

because like the butterfly, you will never know the demonic and destructive power behind the flame until it has destroyed or ended you

[size=14pt]How a London-based “Pastor” Scammed Ibori’s Associates[/size]

. . . details of how a prophet tricked a mistress of former Governor James Ibori to engage in lewd acts and scammed other associates who were recently convicted on money laundering charges by a jury at the Southwark Crown Court in London. Our sources revealed that Ibori’s mistress, Udoamaka Okoronkwo (nee Onuigbo) and his elder sister, Christine Ibori-Ibie, became victims of a rogue priest after the two women sought “spiritual help” in order to stave off conviction as a jury in London court deliberated over the criminal charges preferred against them by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).


Desperation set in on the defendants when it dawned on them during the jury trial that prosecutors had successfully pinned them in a corner by establishing their guilt in handling of Ibori’s criminal money. “Each of the women’s seven lawyers collected 3,000 pounds in cash daily for their court appearances,” revealed a source, an insider in the Ibori camp. Yet, the three women were seized by panic as the trial progressed, with Udoamaka described as “trembling with fear and hysteria.” One of our sources added that the women had earlier “believed assurances by the lawyers hired for them by Chief Ibori that the case against them would be easily rubbished.”

With their defense falling apart in court, Udoamaka and Christine decided to “ask God to be on their side,” according to one of three sources who spoke to us about their maneuvers. They first approached Pastor Chikere Nwafor (Nee Onuigbo), a senior pastor of Heavens Gateway Ministries located on Penarth Street in the South East area of London, but “Pastor Chy” – who is Udoamaka's blood sister – told the accused women that she did not possess the gifts of changing the minds of juries in a trial of a huge magnitude.

One of our sources said that Pastor Chikere’s decision not to get involved in the “spiritual game” was to avoid getting into trouble with the Ibori team or UK law enforcement. Pastor Chikere had been banned from attending the trial after she tried unsuccessfully to approach a member of the jury on a London bus on their way to court. The juror immediately reported her to the judge who sent her away and warned her not to show up for the rest of the trial, but she was allowed to attend the sentencing proceedings.

As the trial neared conclusion, and continued to look bad for them, Ibori's associates decided to go for “prophets” in the Celestial Church of Christ in the London Parish based on Harton Street. There they met a notorious minister and spiritual curator named Prophet Daniel Dickson a.k.a "Lukuluku" who lives in the Shooters Hill council flats in southeast London.

One of our sources, an associate of Pastor Dickson’s, disclosed that Dickson recommended that Udoamaka, the better looking of the women, engage “in late night spiritual rituals.” He told the women that the "Lord" wanted to “use Udoamaka to solve their problems.”

Three days after the women started attending spiritual sessions, Prophet Dickson (who had recently been divorced by his wife, who initially brought him from Nigeria) asked Udoamaka to strip unclothed “in order to open herself for spiritual help.” The third time he got her to strip, he made sexual advances on her, but Udoamaka curtly refused. “She told Prophet Dickson that she was looking for freedom, not sex,” said a source. She offered to pay the prophet any amount of money he asked if he could get them acquitted. She also promised to buy the pastor a house in London and another one in Lekki, Lagos if Dickson “could arrange the separation of Ibori and his recent wife, Senami Sossu.”

Our sources revealed that Pastor Dickson billed the women N5 million to be paid to “his spiritual assistants in Nigeria.” He reportedly told the women that the payment would be used to make so-called Oshoffa chairs and garments to effect their miraculous acquittal. The late Bilemi Oshoffa was the spiritual head of the Celestial Church worldwide. Dickson told Ibori’s associates that “the making of Oshoffa chairs and garments was essential if the women were to be liberated from jury conviction,” said a source.

Our source revealed that Udoamaka instructed her brother in Nigeria to pay N2 million as the first installment to Prophet Dickson's contacts in Lagos. Soon after the money was deposited, Prophet Dickson requested for an additional N1.5 million to enable him to go to Nigeria “for the spiritual assignment to be completed,” assuring Udoamaka that the case would certainly end in her favor.

However, Udoamaka and Ibori's sister found out they were in the hands of a scammer when another pastor of the Celestial Church (the Harton Street parish) told them that Prophet Dickson was not to be trusted. He alerted Ibori’s associates to the fact that Dickson’s wife had driven him out of his matrimonial home because his late night spiritual revivals had turned into love feasts that saw him duping and bedding many women.

Our sources disclosed that Udoamaka tried to recover the payment she had made to Dickson’s representatives in Lagos, but the men eluded her brother until the jury’s guilty verdicts came down on Udoamaka and Christine Ibie-Ibori. Ms. Pogoson was discharged and acquitted.

Two weeks ago, Judge Christopher Hardy sentenced the convicted women to five-year jail terms. They are currently incarcerated at Holloway Prison where Udoamaka Okoronkwo’s prison number is A-11-01-AT while Christine Ibori-Ibie’s tag is A08-20-A-T.

http://www.saharareporters.com/real-news/sr-headlines/6296-how-a-london-based-pastor-scammed-iboris-associates.html

Carlosein:

@^^

Siddon there . . .

Dolemite:
Virus infected link, DON'T CLICK, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

Thank you ojaare Dolemite for the heads up

OP must be a good for nothing "Oloobuson" - whatever that means 

Jenwitemi:
Brother matoyeh, is it me or were you thinking in tongues when you typed in the title of this thread?

The title did me so much kayeefi that i had to look in to find out what was going on.

Na wa o! Make una mercy for us wey no understand tongues o!

Mudley313:
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  um, was this intended to be funny?

@Gary ^^^

- where are your funny bones; its an exuberant humour

If you had watched the Nigeria and Greece match you would have noticed how Kaita's red card and marching orders seemingly destroyed

and hope not dashed Naija's World Cup success story

- Naija played 10 men after the send- off

and lost 2-1 inspite of a goal lead before Kaita got himself sent off

- it's a high-spirited football humour juxtaposed/laced with religion

Adam: Eve, die-ling, my love wantinti.

As you dey do me so, I will do anything for you. Even die, I fit die, no be small

Jenwitemi:
Adam: Eve, na you go make me commit. I go chop any fruit because of you o! You too much, abeg!

Jenwitemi:
Adam: Eve, na only you kuku sabi my mumu button. Abeg, make you press am and give me dat apple make i chop! Make God go die!

@Jenwitemi

You are on a roll

Try and beat his

[img width=300 height=300]http://www.answersingenesis.org/aftereden/cartoons/20060717.gif[/img]

. . . try and beat his scrolling chat lines

. . . the original ouch(es)

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Aloy+Emeka:
[size=14pt]Yes, I worship Esu, but I’m not satanic[/size]
By TOPE ADEBOBOYE

Wednesday, June 16, 2010


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If you look around you, there are a thousand and one mosques all over the place. Churches are springing up everyday.

And yet, what do you have? Assassination, armed robbery, just mention it. Go and look at the church and the mosque.

Check out the names. You will never see Esuleke, Ifabunmi, Ifadayisi and so on.

The names you hear in the church and mosques are the same people stealing public money.

That is why I took a decision that me and my entire family will stay where there is transparency and honesty.”

Chief Esuleke has a suggestion to Nigerian leaders:

if corruption and other ills ravaging the country must end, then Nigerians should stop swearing by the Bible or the Quran.

“If you are really serious about fighting corruption and other crimes, you have to swear by Ogun, Esu or Sango.

These three gods are not forgiving. If you swear by Osun, Osun is a woman. She is forgiving.

But if you swear by Esu now, the day you steal one kobo from the office, Esu will strike almost immediately.

If you swear by Sango and you steal, as soon as you see lightning in the sky, you become terrified.

If you swear by Ogun, once you see a car coming your way, you become jittery.

The day you start swearing like that, corruption will end immediately.

“When people swear, what they should say is, if I steal or I kill, God should punish me.

Instead, they will even say, so help me God. You want God to help you commit crime?

That is the problem. Let people start swearing by Ogun, Esu and Sango. I tell you, corruption will soon be over in the country.”

He cites a ready example. In the mid 1990s, Chief Esuleke says he was a councillor in Osogbo Local Government.

At the swearing-in, he refused to take the Bible or the Quran.

“I asked them to bring a blade or something. I delayed the event for about two hours.

I told them that nobody would remove one kobo from the office.

And that happened. Nobody stole anything from the local government. Just try it. Corruption will be a thing of the past in Nigeria.”


http://odili.net/news/source/2010/jun/16/511.html

@^^^

This chief is a comedian and hilarious

so in essence he feels God has turned soft, eh?

Dis Guy:
very wise to post a hausa story in here all in hausa words dont you think?

I think only 3% of nairalander are multi-lingual

Kobojunkie:
I was not able to find a translator online.

But if true, this is amazing and signs that there is hope for the minority living in the North.

I believe there is a minority up there desperate for change, only they are sandwiched in between a repressive and backward majority.

@^^^

This translation is ideal for "gisting" purposes, providing a basic understanding of the original text.

[size=16pt]A woman who driving trailer in Nigeria[/size]

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^{Hajiya rabi'atu and two children}

The profession driving achaba,Taxi or trucks no other business that was better than knows that it is men are holding it particularly in northern Nigeria in order to run their lives basic on the reasons that are seldom women that endure wahalhalu and dangers they related driving on the chief through the streets of the country.

https://wscdn.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/assets/images/2010/06/16/100616165305_woman_driver_386x217_nocredit.jpg
^{Hajiya rabi'atu is loading cement from southern to Northern Nigeria}

But representative BBC and collided Maiduguri, a woman and the profession drive trailer cement between regions of southern and Northern Nigeria the fetus load to Maiduguri.

After truck trains and the district of abbaganaram in the town maidguri a local station chief commercial trailer on finish or a loading equipment to other parts of the states of the country, and there and found average-aged this Hajiya rabi'atu Abubakar where they are finished loading-goods and the trailer and tuko from the south.

Hajiya rabi'atu just lost the origin of Katsina State, and representative BBC started with, began to ask how this occupation in driving the car in the interview they had.

Joagbaje:
one of the issues that generated the idea that Adam was male and female was the fact chapter 1 of genesis refers to 2 as Adam 

Genesis 1:27
27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created He them

It seems God finally separated the woman from the man later in chapter 2.

Genesis 2:18
18 And the God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

tpiah:
^^you seem confused.

@Joagbaje

I wont go as far as Tpia in saying you seem confused

but what a clanger you dropped there . . .

I am feeling Tpia's brilliant response (i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-178308.0.html#msg6213542 )

Incidentally the meaning of Man in Gen 1:27 is not the same meaning for man in Gen 2:18

Read the text in Gen 1:27 this way to understand

Genesis 1:27
So God created humans man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created He them

and then read Gen 2:18 too this way

Genesis 2:18
And the God said, [It is] not good that Adam the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him

Every author has a way of writing and are often recognised by their style.

Moses, Paul, John etc are no exceptions, you inclusive

Familiarity of their style helps decipher/understand the connotations and denotations

Notice how Moses 99.9% uses the phrase "the man" when referring to Adam

As a matter of fact, man is interchangeably used to refer to human or to refer to Adam

Also worthy of note is that, Genesis chapter 1 is an overview of the creation of man (i.e. a summary of the creation of humans)

whereas Genesis chapter 2 is an unabridge version of the creation of man (i.e. Adam)

Try this verse in parallel for size; albeit wise

[U]Numbers 23:19 KJV[/U]

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:

hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

[size=14pt]Africa 'good leader' prize fails again to find winner [/size]

By Mike Pflanz in Nairobi
Published: 9:03PM BST 13 Jun 2010

A £3.2 million award for "excellence in African leadership", funded by a British telecoms billionaire, has failed to find a winner for a second year running.

To win the Mo Ibrahim Prize, a head of state must have been democratically elected, avoided corruption allegations while in office, and stood down at the end of their term or when they were voted out.

It is the richest annually-awarded international prize.

But the awarding committee, chaired by Kofi Annan, the former UN secretary general, announced last year that they had considered "some credible candidates" but could not select a winner.

This year, "there [have] been no new candidates or new developments and therefore no selection of a winner had been made", a spokesman for the prize said on Sunday.

Mo Ibrahim, a British-Sudanese mobile phone billionaire, set up the award in 2007 to honour African heads of state who step down when they should, run democratic elections and safeguard their national exchequers from corruption.

Winners are given £3.2 million spread over 10 years and then £130,000 a year for life to support them after they leave office.

Mozambique's former President Joaquim Chissano and Botswana's former leader Festus Mogae were the first two recipients, in 2007 and 2008 respectively.

Front-runners for the 2009 award included John Kufuor of Ghana and Thabo Mbeki of South Africa.

"The standards set for the winner are high, and the number of potential candidates each year is small," Mr Ibrahim said in a statement on behalf of his Mo Ibrahim Foundation, which funds the prize.

"So it is likely that there will be years when no Prize is awarded. In the current year, no new candidates emerged.

"Many African countries are making great strides not just economically, but also in terms of their governance. Nevertheless, the Foundation is anything but complacent about the standards of governance in Africa. It is clear that much more needs to be done." In the past three years, many African leaders, including Uganda's Yoweri Museveni, have overseen changes to their countries' constitutions to extend presidential term limits

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/7825397/Africa-good-leader-prize-fails-again-to-find-winner.html

Dozens of couples carry their wives uphill in a popular Latvian competition.

Will love to see this in Naija - certainly with the orobos and the iya apatis

♪♫ See this lepa! ♫
Lepa to bad o x2 ♪♫
♫♪♫(Orobo!) Orobo to bad o!! x4♪♫

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FL Gators:
-5/10

What a gay. Like c'mon.

@^^^

Say it like it is, jaare FL.

Jo-jo-jo. Only you honest so far

I understand lambada but not this perverted and making-me-cringe version

Thief, ole, carry am go!

violent:
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@^^^

The man seems effeminate though with those moves

abi hin be adodi?

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Just one will do 

Satani has come to steal, kill or destroy but GOD has come to give life and give abundantly

[size=14pt]Church Christmas campaign featuring 'Jesus in the womb' threatens to ignite abortion row[/size]

Protestant churches are to use an ultrasound picture of 'Jesus in the womb' - complete with a halo - for a new advertising campaign that could plunge the church into an anti-abortion debate.

The image, featuring the words 'He's on his way', will be displayed on billboards across the country to promote Christmas.

Frances Goodwin, chairman of ChurchAds.net, which created the poster, said: 'This is the kind of thing proud 'parents-to-be' show their friends and family - passing round the scan of the baby, or even pinning it up in the office.

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^{Christmas message:
Churches will use this image in a new advertising campaign celebrating the birth of Jesus}

'Our poster reflects this new way of announcing the news of a new arrival and places the birth of Christ in an ultra-contemporary context.'

But the picture is already causing controversy with some groups fearing the church is using it to promote an anti-abortion message.

Terry Sanderson, of the National Secular Society, told The Times:  'It is the kind of image widely used by anti-abortion campaigners and I hope that the Church of England isn’t trying to use its Christmas poster campaign to make a political point.

'If that’s the intention, we may have questions to ask at the Charity Commission.

'If, on the other hand, it’s supposed to make a Christian Christmas more appealing to our secular nation, I think it is likely to have the opposite effect.'

'At first glance it looks like a poster for a horror film — perhaps The Omen VI: He’s Coming to Get You,' he said.

But John Smeaton, director of the Society for the Protection of the Unborn Child, hoped the advertisement would send out an anti-abortion message.

'This advertisement sends a powerful message to everyone in Britain where 570 babies are killed every day in the womb, 365 days a year, under the Abortion Act. Whenever we kill an unborn child in an abortion, we are killing Jesus,' he said.

'It may seem very early to be talking about Christmas, but we’d like to make this one of the largest church Christmas campaigns ever.'

The Bishop of Reading, the Rt Rev Stephen Cottrell, said: 'For many parents pregnancy gets real when you see the image from the ultrasound scan. It tells you something is actually kicking off.

'We've got so used to the tinsel wrapped cosiness of the carefully packaged 21st century consumer-fest Christmas, that its astonishing reality - an actual pregnancy, a God come down to earth - is easily missed.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285237/Church-Christmas-campaign-featuring-Jesus-womb-threatens-to.html#ixzz0qNxVpRC1

babaearly:
. . . I know some people don't believe in this stuff

but I certainly do people like jay z, beyonce, rihanna, kanye and a lot more are involved in this stuff listen to jay z's lyrics in run this town.

. . . most artists who try to expose it DIE (lisa "left eye" lope, Tupac Shakur, Michael Jackson).

. . .  And for the people who think I'm crazy for thinking this i'll just laugh

because to be honest this is the way things are designed to make people not care and instead wanna go and watch family guy, funny huh?

biola44:
who cares

You better start now . . .

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[size=14pt]Top US preacher who quit after gay scandal returns to start up his own church[/size]

A leading American preacher who quit the church after becoming embroiled in a gay sex scandal has started up a new ministry.

Ted Haggard became America's leading evangelical pastor after founding the New Life Church in 1985.

But he resigned in disgrace more than three years ago after a male love-peddler claimed Haggard had paid him for sex.

'This is my resurrection day,' he declared this week as he announced he and his wife Gayle, who stood by him in the wake of the scandal, would run the church together.

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^{'Resurrection day':
Ted Haggard announces plans to establish a new church
three years after his gay sex scandal, as wife Gayle looks on}

Haggard's fall from grace came after he reached celebrity status through the New Life Church, based in Colorado Springs, which grew to a congregation of more than 14,000.

During the height of his popularity he visited George W Bush at the White House and became president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

But following the claims from the gay love-peddler, Haggard left the church and moved from Colorado Springs.

But he has now returned from Arizona to establish the new church, but he admitted he did not know how many people it would attract.

'I feel we have moved past the scandal,' he said on Wednesday.

Haggard says he is heterosexual but admitted to having gay urges because he was molested by a man when he was a child.

Haggard said the church would welcome gays and bisexuals and urge them to 'study the scriptures and 'explore that with God.'

He said he would teach that God intended marriage to be a monogamous union of a man and a woman. But he said heterosexual marriage was just one ideal in a long list of things God wants people to do, including pray, be healthy and stay monogamous.

He said the ordeal had prepared he and his wife to help others.

'I have an incredible heart for broken people,' he said. 'I think we're qualified to hold people's hands in times of trouble.

Haggard called himself a repentant sinner and a broken man.

'When the crash came in my personal life, it was so incredibly embarrassing and heartbreaking,' he said. 'It broke me. And I'm still broken, some.'

He didn't feel qualified or entitled to return to the ministry, but said he felt compelled to do so by love for others.

He cited conversations he had this week with a woman fighting drugs and with an unmarried couple expecting their second child.

'I'm certainly not going to say no to people (who need help) because of my personal shame. I've got to overcome my personal shame and be willing to help somebody that knocks on our door,' he said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1284401/Top-U-S-preacher-quit-gay-sex-scandal-returns-start-church.html#ixzz0q5riGu9z

babaearly:
@e36991

kolo  u think I cant handle the truth?

That will be telling

Moreso I just had this niggling sense that it was a "random I am bored question" asked

^{Truth hurts - not the searching after; the running from! ~ John Eyberg}