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The Bura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bura-Pabir_language) are an ethnic group in Borno and Adamawa States in Nigeria. Here is one folk tale from their culture:

FIRST FOLK TALE: THE FROG AND THE MOUSE

OBJECTIVES:
a. To appreciate friendship with members of other clans.
b. To appreciate people who live in different environments from our own.
c. To learn not to trust too far.
d. To learn that a killer will soon be killed.


There was a frog and a mouse that were very good friends.  Their friendship grew sweeter and sweeter.  They did not have the same kind of houses to live in.  The mouse lived in a hole in the ground and the frog lived in water.  The frog could live in water, but the mouse could not live in water.  When they wanted to visit, the frog would have to come out of the water.  When their visit was finished, the frog would hop back into the water, and the mouse would run back into his hole in the ground.
One day the frog came out to visit with the mouse.  Wickedness entered into his heart.  He got some string and tied his foot and the mouse's foot together.  He was just in play.  Then the frog jumped back into the water with their feet still tied together.

The mouse could not live in water, and it died.  After a while the mouse bloated and came to the top of the water.  A hawk saw him and, with a swoop, took both the dead mouse and the live frog up into the air.  The hawk alighted in a tree and ate both of them.  They both met death.

There is a Bura parable which says, "Let a man dig the hole of wickedness shallow because, perhaps, he will fall into it himself."

https://www.msu.edu/user/hamza/Folktale1.htm

Here is a website which has many more folktales from this group:
https://www.msu.edu/user/hamza/BuraFolktales.htm

If there are any Bura on this site (or non-Bura who know more about them), feel free to jump in and post additional information.

^-- The quote is so mischievous and deceptive, I am questioning the motives of the author of that article (this Aminu Abubakar guy.) Propaganda like that must be snuffed out before it becomes treated as fact.

^-- Hrm, I see.

Man, I know so little about Nigeria outside of my zone. I wish there were more northerners posting onine, especially in the cultural section of this site.

if you can kindly shed some insight into the background of these other folks that dem_people mentioned, it would be much appreciated.

@jamalah: Interesting. I'm a bit confused though. . . IBB is Gwari, right? The same ethnic group that were the indigenes of Abuja, yes? So who was claiming for him that he was from Kano? Like, how would that fly when it was very well known he is not Hausa?

You raise a good point. . . these guys who have questionable Northern credentials, it makes sense for them to be the most fanatical. The Sarakis are another good example. . . pure Ebga Yoruba folk claiming to be Fulani from Mali.

What do you know of Kwankwaso? Is he from some sort of Kwara or Kogi Yoruba heritage, or something? How did his family end up settling in Kano?

^-- I didn't find them funny; I even commented that they were inappropriate. Just explaining that they were jokes and that he isn't serious.

Jenifa_, your empathy is almost too much. I wonder if you suffer from a bit of Stockholm Syndrome

Anyway, seeking to understand the motivations of the other side is fine, but I think you've crossed the line into justifying what they are doing. Yes, they might have good reasons (to them) for the crimes they've committed, but it doesn't make their actions acceptable.

Koruji. Great post. I think it deserves a separate thread of its own though. . . perhaps as a post mortem of Buhari's campaign.

Interesting, thanks. Those LGAs are 12263 square km. . . nearly twice the size of Ekiti State.

If additional state creation occurs, Kogi West people should have a state of their own.

Yorubaland (in Nigeria) is about the size of New York State.

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=652510.msg8183443#msg8183443 date=1303499601]By the way, never would I have thought Shekarau as a non-Hausa/Fulani. Interesting discovery![/quote]It explains his tribal marks. I've never seen a Muslim Hausa with tribal marks before. The tribe he comes from in Borno is majority Christian, supposedly.

A woman from his tribe: https://www.msu.edu/user/johns632/HadizaRootsIntroNF.html

Folk tales from his tribe: https://www.msu.edu/user/hamza/BuraFolktales.htm

Appears that a lot of these Kano elites have had non-Hausa origin. Kwankwaso is somehow connected to Yoruba, one of these other governors Nupe. Abacha was Kanuri.

I guess the Hausa language + Islam as a religion is a pretty big unifying factor that wipes away previous tribal affiliation.

GenBuhari:
Are the gubernatorial elections tomorrow?

@ekt_bear
of course online polls may not accurately predict how Nigerian may vote, but I still contend it is nearest approximation available to Nigerians because the election result were rigged.

After all Nigerians were the participants of the online polls, also the facts that the 3 main  NL polls were consistently giving Buhari 60-70% and GEJ 20-24%, yet the discrepancy with the announce rigged results was too much to be credible.

Put down the marijuana you've been smoking. Online polls are completely useless. Google like I said and educate yourself.

Very interesting post.

The stuff on Shekarau's origins. . . never even heard of this Babur (also known as Bura: http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-profile.php?peo3=11022&rog3=NI) tribe before.

karl max:
The mainly Muslim north has long been economically marginalised compared to the oil-rich south, which is predominantly Christian.

WTF? Who did the marginalization, pray tell? Why is this Aminu Abubakar painting the wrong picture here? In fact, a picture that is the exact opposite of reality?

Kenya's political elite has closed ranks around six suspects since they were named in December by ICC chief prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo. Known in Kenya as the "Ocampo 6", they include: the finance minister and scion of Kenya's founding family, Uhuru Kenyatta; the suspended agriculture minister William Ruto; and Francis Muthaura, the permanent secretary to the cabinet and right-hand man to the president, Mwai Kibaki.
Mr Moreno Ocampo alleged that Mr Ruto began plotting attacks on supporters of Mr Kibaki a year before the December 2007 election and worked with two others to coordinate a campaign of killing and forced deportations in western Kenya's Rift Valley.
Mr Moreno Ocampo charged Kenyatta, Muthaura and another man in a separate case. They are suspected of murder

These guys were pretty directly involved in crimes, though. It isn't just incitement they are being brought to the ICC for.

GenBuhari:
@ekt_bear
Tell me what makes the online polls any less credible than the results of the rigged elections that you are apparently willing to accept.
Do you know how you sound when you talk about guessing the results of rigged elections?
Doesn't that make you sound like a joke yourself? You need quit making such comments.

Jeez dude. Can you at least spend 10 minutes on google and learn why online polls are not accurate? Just google and you'll probably get many detailed explanations that should convince you.

In a nutshell, the population of people who respond to online polls is not representative of those who actually vote. Polls need to be representative to correctly predict who will win. Online polls can never be representative in Nigeria, since most people aren't well-above-average-income folk who are online frequently.

Long story short, stop referring to crowds and online polls.

Uncle Musiwa:

What is the most Northeastern LGA in Yorubaland? I guess it is one of the ones in Kogi West Senate District (in blue in the map below):
https://www.speakersoffice.gov.ng/images/map.kogi1.gif

Are all the LGAs in blue majority Yoruba? If not, which ones are?

yeah ekiti. But now I'm wondering, what exactly is the most north-eastern Yoruba town? I wonder if there are any Kogi folks here who could tell me definitively

lmao

^--- So in other words, the guys actually being brought before the ICC were politicians who were directly involved in crimes. Not guilt-by-association, incitement sort of stuff.

Kobojunkie is a fascinating person, lol. Or maybe I shouldn't 'lol', cuz I'm dead serious

I used to think that this would work, but now I'm not so sure. More radical changes might be needed.

Citing online polls and crowds makes you look like a joke, dude

Like, stop doing it. There was rigging, but online polls and crowds are a terrible way to offer evidence to support your position.

Read the articles by Ambassador Campbell, Professor Aluko, El Rufai, Sahara Reporters, or the thread I made earlier in the week.

That is a lot more convincing than the stuff you are talking about.

^-- I'm not sure what the best way to handle it is. You probably cannot just disqualify the PDP candidate. But you'd do forensics to prove massive rigging, and then I guess have another election. That would be one solution.

Mariory:
In other words nothing to do with ACN and everything to do with the SW not actually wanting or voting for CPC and Buhari.

My suspicion is that if NEITHER party does get out the vote, true turnout will be like 20% across Nigeria. Or maybe as low as 10, 15%. Everything else above that in non-rigged/ballot-stuffed places might be PDP/ACN/CPC/etc get-out-the-vote drives. Which in Nigeria probably means, ward leader gets rewarded with a cow if he gets lots of people in his ward to vote, etc.

Now, this 10 or 15% of voters who show up to vote without any sort of inducement. . . they are probably the most authentic voters. Maybe that is what people refer to when they say "the SW." Anyway, I have no clue how that core group of people voted. Some mix of ACN, PDP, CPC. But I dunno which way they tilted.

fstranger is obviously joking when he says Fed up things, though. Only a m.oron won't realize it is just an over-the-top shtick he is playing.

Otoh, the OP says Fed up things and actually means 'em. It isn't just a game/joke he is playing, like Fstranger.

This is probably not an appropriate time to be making such jokes, though.

My own reading is that the ACN didn't spend their money/use their "get-out-the-vote" networks to get turnout out to 40% or so.

So they let the PDP spend money to get out the vote in the SW, but didn't do the same themselves.

There was a thread here within the past week that talks a bit about how this process works. Long story short, even Fashola would lose in Lagos w/o this type of "get-out-the-vote" stuff.

Looks like most voters won't show up w/o some sort of inducement in naija.

So he didn't really "deliver" per se so much as not counteract the PDP get-out-the-vote networks (which would have cost a lot of money to do.)

@GenBuhari:

GEJ got 22 millionish votes
Buhari got 11 millionish votes

Some (well, a lot) of GEJs votes are obviously fake. Some of Buharis are probably fake.

Subtract off the unknown fake votes from each person. .  .how do we know who won? I'm guessing that GEJ couldn't have given himself up to 11 million fake votes, and so it is probably reasonable to guess he'd have won. . . but I have no way of knowing. I don't know exactly how the books were cooked, I only know they were cooked.

@GenBuhari: The elections were rigged yes, but at least for me, I have no clue who would really have won. It is kind of impossible to say w/o knowing the exact rigging level. . . something I don't know.

So it is only a guess to say that Buhari or GEJ won.

My own guess is GEJ. . . but it is only that, a guess.

Didn't think the OP would disgrace himself like this. Smh

Why is Ribadu such a drama queen?

https://www.memecat.com/images/memes/chris_crocker_leave_britney_alone.jpg

^-- I don't think he ever claimed Princeton. He went to another school in the area, and just likes to take playful shots at it a bit.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=651879.msg8179778#msg8179778 date=1303458482]Bill gates and clinton spend billions of dollars to eradicate polio and other problems in Africa.Are they Africa presidents ?[/quote]

What are you or I doing to eradicate poverty in Yorubaland? He doesn't really have much more capability at this point to deal with that specific issue. If he becomes governor of Kano, then sure. But as CBN head, not his job.

@Jarus: Err, what? What about all the racist-@ss articles he had up on Gamji and those other sites?   It isn't as if people had those Northern conspiracy theories without reason.

Anyway, my own impression is that he has mellowed out and gotten a bit better in his views of southerners. I'm glad he proved the doubters wrong.