₦airaland Forum

^-- lol @ oba of arewa. Shoudn't it be sarkin arewa?

I don't have a problem with average, ordinary hausa-fulani. They are welcome in my land. Just your rabble-rousing leaders and murderous almajiris no one likes.

Ystranger:
I totally agree with you that  if Nigeria is to be reckoned among the truly advanced and prosperous nations of the world, measures must
be introduced that would considerably reduce the number of people engaged in farming and at the same time absorb those
displaced from the farmlands.

Agreed. Ideally, you suck them off of the farm into manufacturing.

This must, however, only follow after an improvement of the efficiency  and productivity of the farming population through the introduction  of modern and scientific methods of farming throughout the country, which is totally lacking right now. As of now, at this point in our history/development, what we need is more people pending when we can mechanize. That is the advantage the North has over us in the South.

Err, not sure I understand what you are saying here.

Right now, the majority of the population is not investment conscious, so the government, either directly or through its agencies, would have to stimulate and increase agricultural productivity .

Who said we aren't investment conscious? It just requires lots of money to do right. And the loans are not available at good rates. There is an existing program where you can get the AMAZING rate of 9% (iirc?), but you need to have $3 million (or so) in capital to qualify. And the mentality of most Nigerians isn't to go into business with others to raise capital, partner up, etc. They want to do a one-man operation.

Something I dont think this government is willing to do, for the ROI on agricultural isnt as buoyant or lucrative as importing refined 'oyel' from Obodo-Oyinbo.

The return on investment for farming is pretty solid. Rice farming will get you about a 30-35% ROI, for example. That is a very good return.

[quote author=Abu-Maryam link=topic=652658.msg8185276#msg8185276 date=1303517745]Mhm! what you dont understand is, is not making farming lucrative that matters, but you cant trnsform your soil PH from it acidity to alkaline, number natural failure,[/quote]As the PDF I linked to shows, the soil in the south is suitable for growing tomatoes. The issue is not PH. Just more plant diseases in the south than I guess the dry savannah. Those diseases reduce yield, not don't reduce it to zero.

Plus, Kwara State and most of the middle belt is Savannah.

And if that doesn't work. . . we import from any # of the following countries that produce enormous amounts of tomatoes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tomato_production

Great Arewa Republic.(GAR)

Sai Great Arewa Republic

^-- What is landless farming? Do you mean hydroponics. . . ?

^-- wth would that happen?

I'm guessing probability is close to nil

What we need is to make capital more available to farmers. Farm unions, agricultural co-ops. Bigger farms (no more of this one man/family scraping some tiny plot of land, or several tiny plots somewhere.) More technology.

Don't really need the north to farm, just need to farm more productively.

^-- We don't need a large # of people farming, lol. We just need to shift from primitive farming techniques to modern ones. 40% or so of the economy is agriculture, but a lot of that is a guy with a hoe laboring by himself over a field. Not using a tractor, fertilizer, chemicals, etc.

The PDF I posted is for commercial farming, which again doesn't require as many people.

I'm GLAD that people are moving off of the farm. Hopefully those old farmers will sell of their farmlands so we can consolidate and have huge, efficient farms.

Moving off of the farms is a good thing. . . the US already went through this process.

Man, there is a way to do it right that doesn't come off as an backside

She came of as an backside

AA humor is very self-deprecating, crack baby this, crack addict that. But somehow it feels less "cutting." You know?

I didn't like her particular style.

Alj uche, you should probably choose southern citizenship if the country splits. That would be my suggestion at least

It started off good, but then ended poorly. Bleh

Some of those jokes hit too close to home, lol

I don't like nigeria and nigerians being mocked

Growing Tomatoes in Nigeria
Tomato can be grown anywhere in southern Nigeria, but the best area is the
Savannah zone because some diseases of tomatoes are less common in the
Savannah.

Expected yield
20-30 tons/ha can be obtained in the rain forest zone but in the savannah, a
yield of 40 tons/ha is attainable.

http://www.ics-nigeria.info/publications_files/tamatoes_01.pdf

Tomatoes can be grown in the south. Nobody should feel blackmailed because of tomatoes

[quote author=Abu-Maryam link=topic=652658.msg8185044#msg8185044 date=1303515575]most of crops from middle belt are tubes and tubers, the environ is acidic. unlike far north where most of the land is alkaline suitable for arable crops, meaning if North secede you have to buy those food items in an exorbitant price, may be you will give 5 barelsof oil to one bulb of tomato, lol!!! is very dangerous,[/quote]And the only place tomatoes are sold on Earth is in Buharistan. We could not buy them from other countries, right?

https://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/images/stories/thedivide.gif

Naija will be fine, even without Buharistan

Though I'd like to see Niger State and Southern Kaduna and parts of Bauchi stay in naija

[quote author=Abu-Maryam link=topic=652658.msg8184982#msg8184982 date=1303514929]Except Yam, all are coming frm far north, tomato, onion,cattle etc[/quote]Tomato we can grow in the south. Onion too.

Cattle, we'll just bring in our own Fulani cattle herders. In fact, they are many in the middle belt and south already. Or used the Zimbabwe dairy farmers that Kwara has to provide us beef.

The boat comment and shot at naija airlines made me feel very uncomfortable though

Abu-Maryam is scared ooh  

At the very least if I were here I'd ask for an economic lifeline

SEFAGO:
I know but I like playing with ZnO

Watch this comedy show- the chick is nigerian and funny:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2it7M9r7eg

She is kind of funny, lol. I'm surprised, I usually never like british comedians

Plus. . . let's not get ahead of ourselves. Most of the middle belt voted for PDP.

That is where most of the food comes from, and where much more can be grown.

Who cares. Nobody will starve. Higher prices are only temporary. Worst case scenario, we import from Cameroon or Benin Republic. Or cultivate more farmland in the SW. No wahala.

Beaf:
^
I don't see why this should become another outlet for your dense headed bigotry.

You are just a milder form of fstranger, just slightly less cold hearted and self centred but equally airy headed.

You are entitled to that your opinions. But as you know (and with good reason), I don't place much value in 'em.

Sefago, leave this thread, find something better to do with your time

aint worth it bro!

I'm so tempted to do a short two month postdoc when I finish, but convince them to call it "Visiting Assistant Professor."

That way I can use the title for the rest of my life in naija  

Anyway, let me leave it be. Probably people will interpret this as being some sort of anti-Igbo gangup, rather than correcting facts

Not being a professor doesn't make you evil or inferior, man. David Shaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_E._Shaw) is no more a professor. . . he is now purely in industry. But it doesn't mean he is less of a person now. Dude is rich as fvck.

Unless you are a professor at an elite school, or one of the best in your field at something, being a professor isn't even that big a deal. Is being a Professor at the University of Northeastern Idaho (for example, I dunno if this university even exists) really that big a deal?

I'd much rather be a medical doctor or lawyer somewhere than that.

Anyway, don't weep for Soludo. . . he is probably making a ton of money somewhere. Probably if you weep for him he'll give you some dollar bills to wipe away your tears

Ultimately, this is a dumb discussion and a waste of time

Dude, Nchara if you are in academia you know the rules, how the pecking order works (at least in the US.) I dunno why you are pretending as if you don't.

It depends on the circumstance of being a visiting prof.

You derive your "power" (so to speak) from your home institution. If you have no home institution and are a "visiting prof", I'll call you doctor.

Take this guy for example: http://www.nd.edu/~mbroshi/Broshi_CV.pdf

His title is "Visiting Assistant Professor", but he is forced to teach a sh1tload of classes, doesn't have any students, and doesn't have tenure anywhere. And isn't tenure track. He is basically a glorified post-doc.

If I meet him, I'll call him "Doctor."

Soludo no longer has a full-time home at a university. He seems to have largely left academia, aside from possibly some short-term visits. So he is no longer a "Professor."

If he rejoins UNN or some other university on a full-time basis (as a tenured professor), the right thing to do would be to call him professor. But while he is out in industry making money or whatever he is doing, it would be weird.

Anyway, it isn't a big deal. It doesn't mean I disrespect or don't like him. . . but you cannot claim more than what you are due.

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=652510.msg8184532#msg8184532 date=1303510550]And so why're people so ready to claim fulani ancestry eventhough it quite might be false. Is there something about the fulani that makes them seem aristocratic to other northerners? Is it due to their conquests of the 18th and 19th centuries. Maybe it has something to do with the caliphate.

Alj Uche, u should be proud of your kanuri blood and never try to say u have fulani blood even as a joke. If u know much about Idris Alooma's conquests and successes as a king then u should be proud. I know significant info of medieval northern nigeria, with the existence of the Kanem-Bornu empire and the Mali empire stretching all the way to present day Kano in the 14th century and upwards.[/quote]My type of dude. I hate insecure, self-loathing Africans. Sadly, many Hausa and Northerners fit this category

ZnO:
My University (and he will becoming again soon) and I will not be mentioning it. Thanks.

I'll take you at your word, then. Though I guess I could just track it down via google.

Does anyone even care who calls them Prof here? We all simply go by the title Dr., be you Full Prof, Associate or Assistant Prof.

Heh, I just call them by their first name if I'm close enough. . . these guys usually aren't very haughty. But if not close enough, I'll call a prof a prof, and a doctor a doctor. If we are being formal, I won't call a doctor a prof.

^-- Hehe

That is one thing that has always made me look down on Hausa and Northerners a bit. Their worship of Fulani is a bit disgusting

I cannot imagine setting up another ethnicity above mine. Even Jews I wouldn't, let alone Fulani.

Hausa worship not only Fulani, but also Arab too. Never been a fan of that type of stuff

ZnO:
Do you mean he should not be called ''Full Professor'' (sarcasm) Soludo or ''Professor'' Soludo? The man is still a visiting Prof in the UK and US, as we speak.

Visiting professor at which university? I thought he left academia and is working in private industry now?

He was here recently as a visiting Prof.

Which university?

In any case, Prof means different things in the UK (Nigeria) and the U.S. In the U.S., it is more loosely used such that anyone that professes (teaches) or researches at some higher level education can be called a prof.

In the US, no. Non-tenure track academics in the US are not called professor. Tenure track assistant/associate/full profs, yes. But non-tenure track guys, no. At least from what I know. Even people with the title "Research Professor", if non-tenured you don't call them Prof. You just call them "Doctor so-and-so."

Alj Uche:
most of this families are usman dan folio blood running in them. some people were even saying the shehu of borno had usman blood in him, don't really know how true that is.

can u shed more light on that

Shehu probably is not a Dan Fodio relative unless he is descended from a Dan Fodio daughter, right? Kanuri Empire never fell to Fulani rule, and thus should have a separate lineage.

I think most of these Emirs in the North are Dan Fodio descendants. Or descendants of his allies.

lol @ scary negroid features. Nupes are purely African stock though, not Afro-Asiatic like Fulani or some Hausa. So it makes sense that they would look different.

There is some ethnic group in Northern Nigeria that is the cousin of Yoruba. Here is the quote from History of the Yorubas:

The Yorubas are said to have sprung from Lamurudu one of the kings of Mecca whose offspring were : — Oduduwa, the ancestor of the Yorubas, the Kings of Gogobiri and of the Kukawa, two tribes in the Hausa country. It is worthy of remark that these two nations, notwithstanding the lapse of time since their separation and in spite of the distance from each other of their respective localities, still have the same distinctive tribal marks on their faces, and Yoruba travellers are free amongst them and vice versa each recognising each other as of one blood.

I've never been able to figure out who exactly these groups (Gogobiri and Kukawa) are, what they are called today.


@jamalah: You should definitely talk more about your people. You guys know far more about us than we know about you. It is in our mutual interest to understand each other better.

ZnO:
Soludo was a FULL (bolded, in case you are short-sighted) Prof at UNN. He has not been stripped of it and would, in all likelihood, retain it or even get a better offer elsewhere, if he needs it.

So he can go back to it. But since he is not currently a Prof at UNN (correct me if I am wrong) or any other institution, it would be incorrect to call him Professor Soludo.

Dr. Soludo, yes. Prof Soludo, no.

But I guess Nigerians generally don't care about this distinction.