₦airaland Forum

oyb:
gej progress personified

from five fingers of a leprous hand to assorted digits of a leper colony

Men like Tinubu are necessary in this jungle called Nigeria. I doubt Fashola is keen on throwing him away, unless he wants to get involved in dirty work himself too.

Fashola/Tinubu is a great tag team. Tinubu does the politicking, fundraising and winning, Fashola does the administration. Why break it up?

This PDP

efisher:
With these two questions above, I hope we have been able to convince you that GEJ represents change.

GEJ, the self-proclaimed "son" of IBB represents change?

2+ min long interview, no mention of the CPC and Buhari? Is this Chinedu Offor a GEJ plant?

These 45 political parties combined aren't even as strong as Accord party, lol


He can have 1000 political parties. . . all that matters is the votes each party can secure

lmao


I feel bad for her though. Looked painful!

Buhari is useless really. What he is doing can be replicated by Ribadu.

From my perspective, he is only useful because of the votes he brings. That is all he really brings to the table. Everything else can be found elsewhere.

All the PDP northerners will dump PDP to join CPC if Buhari wins.

They are trying to have their cake and eat it, by not entering CPC directly.

If Tinubu cuts any deals, it better be signed in the presence of the US, Canadian, British, French ambassador and a copy sent to the UN. I don't really trust either of these dudes, to be quite honest. . .

^-- I'm aware of Kwara and Kogi, very sympathetic to the cause of the middle belt, ND, and even the SE and North. But we first have to save ourselves before we save others.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=644637.msg8107227#msg8107227 date=1302588726]I'll take a Buhari offer, can't trust this establishment PDP. Let ACN ally with CPC and end all these rumors. It's time to feed PDP the humble pie and eat their lunch.[/quote]I'm fine with that. But these cabalistic Northerners must be kept out of power, lest they ruin the country.

Let the ACN select a team of technocrats to run the country, initiate most of the major decisions. Buhari is good at fighting corruption, but a poor strategist and tactician.

I must say. This has turned out better than I could have expected. Remember all those saying before that ACN should step down, fold, merge into CPC?

Clearly Tinubu knew what he was doing better than some of these internet pundits.

fstranger3:
For where!

They spoke too soon. Stupiddd people!

I'm a bit concerned that the cabal is negotiating for Buhari though

Love him or hate him, gotta give Tinubu his props. Dude is a beast. Much respect, dude

we dey laugh wellu wellu


Sai Tinubu

OAM4J:
Your concern is really unnecessary cos we are not at this time asking the FG to withhold the SW allocations. We are only saying we dont want to rely on the FG promises/offers to develop the SW, hence their is no need to be part of any GNU or rely on alliance with anyone. Give us our national due, do whatever you want with the rest, if they like let them not spend kobo on any SW states, we will be fine.

+1

No need for the FG to do anything for us but pay out the allocations due to us by law. Simple as that.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=644589.msg8107037#msg8107037 date=1302586586]ROTFLMAO!! Now we know what drives you crazy  

Plz, do not compare the unity of the USA with any of Nigeria's tribe's "unity". That's all I have to say.[/quote]

OK, then Germany if you like (and the parallels between the Yoruba states/tribes and the German ones should be pretty clear.) View Ekiti as Bavaria  

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=644589.msg8107005#msg8107005 date=1302586148]I think I see myself as an Ekiti-Nationalist. Nothing wrong with that.
If Yorubas want Yoruba nationalist, then they ought to start uniting and building up their nation (i.e states).[/quote]Nothing wrong with that. Everyone is entitled to make their own choice. But just as it doesn't make sense for me to see myself as a (for example) Illinois nationalist instead of a US nationalist, I don't think it completely makes sense to be an Ekiti nationalist. Ekitiland is part of a greater nation. If there is any lesson we must learn from history (especially the 1800s!), we must learn that partisan, sectarian interests in Yorubaland only leads to destruction, and being weakened by our enemies.

fstranger3:
Obviously, you have never been to Osun. the only investment in Ife is OAU, think about it. And Ilesha isnt faring any better.

Been there several times. I was in Ilesha during part of Christmas break; went to the market for shopping. It is not a bad town at all. My pops actually schooled there for a few years.

Anyway, having one nice piece of infrastructure (Oau) is enough to build something upon.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=644589.msg8106958#msg8106958 date=1302585537]I think Iroko is beating PDP at their game. Ondo like Ekiti and Oyo is too pro awoism to go with PDP, LP gave PDP a beatdown in Ondo, if I'm PDP i will be very afraid right now. I think Mimiko just duped them.[/quote]Heh, I hope he doesn't get burned. Anyway, I'm glad Labour Party is there. . . just in case Tinubu gets out of hand, there is a place to go to  

sbeezy8:
Ado Ekiti has a smaller population in realtion to the other government so if anything Lower wages but suffering? no.

both osun and ekiti states are calling for federalism so they can be independent - i would only assume the govs know what they can make out of each state.

what are you taling about?

Ekiti IGR is very low. Economy is small, too. Osun has a goodly amount of infrastructure already. . . strong towns like Ilesha, Ife, etc. Strongest town in Ekiti is Ado, which had what, 400k people? And most of the economy there is government parastatal related.

Ekiti has always been sort of neglected infrastructure-wise in Yorubaland. Anyway, I'm not an Ekiti nationalist. . . I'm a Yoruba nationalist. Even if Ekiti has to suffer somewhat for the greater good, not a problem.

But all of this is a hypothetical discussion anyways.

Anyway, I think we've all concluded that unity government=no no.

Will be interesting to see what Fashola, Tinubu and the rest think of it.

Mimiko's LP has already endorsed GEJ though? So he has likely cut a side deal, lol

Failure of NEPA is entirely, 100% the government's fault. You cannot force a man to sell something for less than it costs!

What if the FG said that groundnut has to be sold for less than it costs to produce. Do you think it will be available in abundance?

Do not blame the Nigerian citizen for the failure of his incompetent government.

There is nothing wrong with foreign debt, so long as you invest it properly in wise things. Look, we aren't going to be like the Irish who are investing it in overpriced real estate. That leads to ruin. We will invest in the tons and tons of low-hanging fruit available in Yorubaland. Roads. Power. Schools. Hospitals. All very mutually beneficial to both the private businessman and Yorubaland.

We are not the state of Alaska spending $1 billion+ (or whatever it was) builting a road to a village of 300 people. That is fruit at the top of the tree; poor investments. We'll be plucking the apples at the bottom.

Ondo, Lagos, Oyo, Ogun are entirely self-sufficient. Or can be, if managed properly (and assuming Ondo isn't d1cked out of the 10% of Nigeria's oil it currently produces).

Osun is probably fine. Ekiti is the weakest of the 6 and would suffer the most w/o federal allocations. But at the very least, the first four are fine, economically.

BTW, Uncle Sam will only screw you over if you give him too much power. Give one project to Uncle Sam, the other to Uncle China, the other to Uncle Brazil, the last one to Russia.

That is the way I'd do it. You don't want to let Uncle Sam turn you into his puppet, I agree.

fstranger3:
Now you are talking.

At this stage, a solely private sector led developmental initiative would be disastrous for us in the long run.  PPP seems a better idea if you want efficiency and some local control. I'd rather we bankrupt ourselves than be tied to the aprong string of Big Sam.

The Lekki road model i think is a good one for roads across the SW. 25/30 year concession, hand over to Yorubaland when done. It doesn't cost too much cash up front. . . the private businessman gets most of his cash from the users of the resource (in this case, the road).

Or you could borrow money to build the road yourself. Like, the government borrowing, that is. I don't like that, because then you open yourself up to political risks.

Borrowing (as Dubai and many other countries did) can be very good, but you need to have stability. You don't want the next elected guy to renege on paying back the loans, ruin your credit rating, make you an international pariah.

And if it is owned by the government, then you'll have people crying all over the place, "Why does this government road cost money?", blahblah.

People want to enjoy things for free that cost hard money to build. . .

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=644589.msg8106818#msg8106818 date=1302582952]You dey crase. Farmland oshi wo.

Fix Ekiti roads, build back the integrity of our education system and you'll see what Ekiti state can become. O ba epkon ori e. Farmland? Imagine![/quote]There is nothing wrong with farming. High tech farming is a very profitable business. Not the inefficient way most Nigerian farmers do it. Anyway, with electricity and good roads we can manufacture too. Imagine, with goods roads and electricity, we could convince Honda to build a multi-billion dollar auto manufacturing plant. . . things of that level.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=644589.msg8106822#msg8106822 date=1302583085]Ok I checked the Canbeck company out, they seem respected, but since I'm not sure about the methodology i'll just take it with a pinch of salt, KPMG and the Millenium Cities Initiative(MCI) data of 2008 contradicts them anyway at least in regards to Ondo State.[/quote]Can you show me the full list of GDP data from those other two sources? Or was it only Ondo?

fstranger3:
Ok where is the initial capital for privatization coming from?  Most likely from abroad?  Eventually the money would be taken out of the country. What you want as usual is quick fix? But will it not last?  Most of MTN and Etiasalat's profit are taken out of the country, making us, relatively, poorer in the process. Even Glo, had to go offshore to raise fund and would be repaid with interest to the foreign investors.

We need big government at this point, not small. Lets spend the oil money for developmental project, equip the populace 'cos the future of oil doesnt look so bright ( It will either finish or Big Sam  will, EVENTUALLY, demand less)

I think OBJism with the right mindset/people is the best for us to jumpstart our national development.

Tinubuism/Fasholaism is the best. PPP everything. Attach a profit incentive for private industry to develop things. If the Lekki Toll road succeeds, then we can throw up roads all over the SW within a 5 year period. Do this for roads, power, etc. Then you can start manufacturing, industrializing, and exporting. 10%+ annual GDP growth, follow a similar track that China followed. By 2100 we can hand our kids/grandkids a first world nation.

OBJism won't work anyway, the Nigerian government's money is too small. To grow most quickly we probably need $20 billiion of investment per year in Yorubaland. Federal Government budget is $30 billion. Our needs are more than the government can provide, basically.