₦airaland Forum

seal777:
Wonder why elections were free, fair and reflective of peoples choice in south west and rigged wit violence, corruption and inconclusive results in major part of south east.

A house divided against itself is bound to fail.

I suspect this is why Eziachi warned against Ohaenze letting GEJ put them in his pocket so soon. I'm really surprised that they didn't learn anything from AD's very negative experience with the PDP in 2003. . .

sbeezy8:
dont mind beaf i have cousins who are urhobo and itsekiri and 2 campaigning for delta gov his personal assistants

and ish its NOT PEACHES N CREAM IN DELTA STATE between ethnic groups far from the truth.

Hehe, that DPP is giving your boy Uduaghan chills, isn't it?

I googled Great Ogburu. Interesting guy.

This "oil slave" hypothesis is scaremongering, in my opinion. I've never really heard of Ondo State (which produces 10% of naija's oil) complaining about being marginalized or oppressed by some nefarious Yoruba agenda. I don't even know how it would happen, given the current laws of the land.

As tyrant11's posts from a few weeks ago shows. . . if naija disintegrates, Yorubaland would be fine and self-sufficient.

So in a nutshell, this is not an attempt to landgrab Itsekiriland away from Delta.

Anyway, Jason, I'd suggest you talk to your own elders/parents about this stuff, ask them if there has ever been this concern. I'm curious to hear what they would say (or other politically inclined Itsekiri would say.)

jason123:
No, you got that wrong. The development is spearheaded by the so-called attracted people (there is a difference between purchasing power of the people and the development of the city itself). Take a look at Lagos, without other Nigerians in it, it will be a dead city same with Delta and Rivers state.
Even the whites needed to import some slaves from Africa to spearhead their development. A diverse economy is very good for a Nation that wants to develop because the ideas will be dynamic not static.

Again, no. The dog is wagging the tail, not the tail wagging the dog. The growth of Lagos State's population from what, under 6 million in 1991 to probably 20+ million now should tell you what is driving what. Let's say 25% of the population ups and leaves tomorrow. Well, their spots will just be taken by others.

Now, if some underlying dynamic were to change? Then sure, I can see an argument for reduced growth.

sbeezy8:
2015 or 2019 (if gej reruns) ACN will step it up a notch guarantee PDP will vote a northerner as its candidate and an igbo will get vp or presidential ticket in ACN.

lol its going to be hard to turn down

Heh. That would be pretty interesting to see. It actually would be a compelling ticket, I think. . .

jason123:
Dapo, if you notice, all HETEROGENEOUS cities in Nigeria are the most developed while the homogenous ones are less developed. Take a look at Lagos and the Igbo population(although not up to 25% of Lagos) hausa amongst other groups, River state and the Yoruba,Ijaws and Ikwerris that are mixing up amongst other ethnic groups.
Its the same with Delta state. We have Itsekiris,Urhobos, Ijaws, Igbos, Yorubas, Hausas etc. Hence, the development.

You have the directionality wrong, in my opinion. Heterogeneity is a sign of some underlying factor (oil, trade, a port, etc) that attracts everyone. Diversity is not is what is causing the development 

That same Bayelsa I mentioned if managed properly will eventually become diverse, have a huge influx of non-indigenes (like Port Harcourt, Lagos, etc.)

Anyway, it is all good. . . so long as ya'll are happy with your situation, I'm content.

jason123:
You are quite right, warri was the only flash point. The reason behind it was all because of oil politics. The olu of itsekiri saga did not create the choas. It was when oil companies stated paying dividents to the traditional rulers, other ethnic groups thought the Olu was collecting much more money since is was the Olu of Warri. I have come to realise that it was not Awolowo's fault but a misunderstanding between neighbours which was bound to happen anyway.
For more info:
http://www.itsekiri.org/files/communique/communique_details.php?selected_id=79
Delta state is one big family although, personally, I will not support any ijaw expansionist agenda. Other than that, its a community. In fact, itsekiri's dressing is more related to the Urhobo than than Yoruba but the language and culture is closer to Ijebu, Igala etc.

I see. Thanks for that link.

Plus the nice thing about having a small state with not too many people is that you can develop it very quickly. Bayelsa for example if properly managed should grow very, very rapidly, eventually having the highest standard of living in Nigeria.

Similar principle applies for Itsekiriland.

So the "only 1 million people" arguments in my mind are irrelevant.

Alj Uche:
hmm good point as well

but the city will then lack development because of the contest for power and greed of money from both state government

and also the locals will fight any majority (be it itsekiri or urhobo) so as to be in the state the majority of their people are in

Why? It is in the interest of everyone for the city to be a success, isn't it? If the city is destroyed, everyone loses, right? Just come up with a power sharing agreement that is fair and that everyone respects. If you do that, then everything will be smooth sailing.

There will only be problems if one group tries to take it all for themselves. Otherwise, should be fine.

jason123:
Itsekiris are not leaving delta state. We have lived together with the Urhobos and all for years without fighting until the Delta crisis where they thought Awolowo was the cause of it and that Itsekiris wanted to take warri. As far as I know, no one is leaving except maybe Anoima igbos. There will only be division if Nigeria splits.

Fair enough, no big deal. I've personally always thought ethnically homogenous states (or rather, states with clear identities) tend to do the best, all other things equal. But if ya'll are happy with Delta, no wahala. Certainly no external forces should force you to split up.

PhysicsMHD:
Itsekiri state? I think they're barely over a million.

Why is population size the basis for a state, though? They are considered a distinct ethnic group, and a pretty large part of Delta seems to be their historic territory. Why is their state considered non-viable?

As for the rest, the Delta  Ijaw, Itsekiri, and Urhobo aren't going to be deliberately divided by any government that wants a good record or wants to be remembered positively because of the chaos and bickering that would result from land disputes and claims of "ownership" etc.

Warri is the only major flashpoint, I thought?

Nothing wrong with option D, but apparently the different Igbo groups haven't really reached an agreement on how they would run the state (who would be running the show). There was a thread on nairaland from a while back where something was mentioned about the Ukwuani basically wanting to dominate. Here's an ethnic map of Delta state:

I never understood this type of stuff personally. Igbo is Igbo, is it not? Why would they seek to be dominating each other. Just implement something like zoning if it such a big deal. People are too divisive and shortsighted, imo

Alj Uche:
good idea actually

but the problem is WHO WOULD TAKE WARRI

is it the urhabo/isoko or itsekiri or ijaw

It is a pretty big city, is it not? I assume the traditionally Itsekiri parts are in the West? It honestly shouldn't be that hard to come up with something fair and equitable. Or in the worst case, make the city jointly administered by both states, or something. . .

PapaBrowne:
No buddy, you fibbed!! Road construction OR rehabilitation in US takes longer than you've posited!! Simple 20 mile stretches are given 4 year timelines not to talk of a 400km road. In the link below you would find cost and duration of various road construction projects in the USA.

[url]http://southeast.construction.com/features/archive/0402_Feature4.asp
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Timeline of most of those projects on the site you listed is roughly 3 or 4 years? And it is major construction work, not simple maintenance.

I know what I've seen personally. There is a major street in my city that they did some maintenance on in different sections, about a 1 mile section of road. It was under two weeks of work.

Anyway, this 5+ year timespan you are suggesting we should feel comfortable with is ridiculous. If the FG cannot get the job done more rapidly, hand it over to someone who can.

Who told you ACN doesn't want Igbo votes? Anambra ACN certainly does. . . and got a lot of them to win the central senate seat.

I don't think there is a party on earth that will avoid votes

I think ya'll are dramatizing things a bit too much.

In Yorubaland, none of the PDP governors at least since 2007 have performed (one could argue since 2003.)

So it makes sense to toss them out, and toss out the party as a whole.

I guess in the SE zone, people are overall happy with the performance of the PDP leadership. Perhaps they've done well since 2007. If that is the case, then you probably don't want to punish 'em locally too much.

It makes no sense to assume people in two different situations should have identical responses. One-size-fits-all answers rarely work out that well.

Delta is basically Itsekiri, Urhobo/Isoko, Ijaw, and Igbo, right?

Seems to me you could simply:
A) Move the Itsekiri LGAs to Ondo (or create Itsekiri State)
B) Create Urhobo+Isoko State
C) Move the Ijaw LGAs to Bayelsa (or create another Ijaw state)
D) Create Anioma State

Why would this be a bad idea?

hmm

Dotman01:
Former Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) Governor Chukwuma Soludo said: “ This is what Anambra state needs now. They do not as a people need anyone to appoint or impose a senator on them, neither do they need a governor who will lord it over others in a free Anambra. ”
Lagos State Governor Babatunde Fashola wished Dr Ngige well and prayed God to give him good health to contribute well to the deliberations in
the senate using the ACN manifesto as a platform. Fashola urged Ngige not to despair about the rough road to his victory because it takes a while for the truth to triumph.

Hrm, so Soludo suppots Ngige as well? Very interesting. . .

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=646009.msg8120401#msg8120401 date=1302720428]Jinadu said: "I am not speaking for any other state, but I'm sure that here in Oyo State, the PDP will have a landslide victory. The outstanding performance of Governor Adebayo Alao_Akala since assuming the mantle of leadership in the state will make victory certain for our party," he said.[/quote]

APGA really failed. How they were not the ones running the stronger candidate (Ngige) and ACN managed to pick him up is really a tremendous blunder. Throwing away homegrown talent like that is silly

That Ngige defeated her despite the rigging, tribalism by APGA really tells you a lot about how the Anambrarian voter feels about the two

wow

Hopefully this presents an opportunity for the ACN to capitalize.

Interesting that Bukola would betray his papa so quickly. Smh. So I guess the division is real, not fake?

Kobojunkie:
Na lie!!! Dora failed in Nigerian politics, and she has her record to show this. PDP had NOTHING, Absolutely NOTHING to do with her failure in Nigerian politics, in much the same way Tinubu cannot blame AC for his 8 years of doing next to nothing in Lagos State when he was Governor, or even JOnathan's 12 year record in politics accomplishing next to nothing, even as he is a PDP member.

This made me laugh. . .  such a harsh indictment

jensinmi:
That president Johnny Shaft is a Bad Mutha. . . (SHUT YOUR MOUTH) 

lmao

^-- I'm sure everyone will get shafted by gej at least once

sbeezy8:
people in PDP are easily expendible i think he learnt that nosense fron Obj, when you look at PDP had nothing to lose in the SW that much any besides votes.

Very true. A band of thieves and thugs with no loyalty to each other.

but 4/6 states were not PDP anyway so the wins by ACN were not really that surprising honestly.

Indeed. I'm not sure PDP would have won those states in 2007, most of 'em.

Now is the SW turns to like really sit out and examine this and that. in 2015 the Middle belt will probably be in the same position I gurantee it.

Middle Belt is a place truly ripe for allies. ACN would do well to continue outreach to weaken the PDP. . . I think at the end of the day this region holds the key to breaking that party (since they don't want to go the alliance route this year.)

2015 is going to be a tough one for GEJ cause in PDP you have   the nc, nw, ne and se aswell as the ss who are going to be saying obj had 8 yrs so gej should have 8 aswell calling for presidency.

hes going to do alot of throwing under the bus in the next yrs starting with PDP people in his camp mainly  north and southeasterns if he plans on running again.

Yep. 2015 will be like this, but 10X more potential reward. GEJ will want to run again, but will have the Northerners and to a lesser extent the SE pissed off at him. His alliance will become even more fragile then. So even more opportunity to put pressure on him, extract concessions, make advances. Will be pretty interesting times, no doubt.

Sometimes I worry about him. I wonder if it is some sort of mental illness. . .  (no offense intended, just honestly curious.)

Lagosboy:
I love this expression     

Glad you like it 

Topman40:
Lol, so Tinubu is now a hero now?

He is what he is. A large, rabid, and dangerous dog currently being used to attack certain enemies and that might turn on its owner at any time

Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't think any of us view him as a hero. . . just a necessary weapon in the jungle called Nigeria.

sbeezy8:
I dont think Tinubu was looking for that much. Even before the eletion process began GEJ did give ACN people spots.

aganga was nominated by acn as well as a few others.

to me I see Tinubu looking beyond 2011. He like many are expecting an unrest PDP in 2015. either way its only good for ACN. PDP didnt want Tinubu to join CPC that was the main point, no nessecarily ACN joing PDP if you know what i mean.

Yeah I know. Tinubu will keep ACN intact, presumably get GEJ to throw two more of his allies under the bus (David Mark and the Saraki family) and plan for 2015. Wash, rinse, repeat in 2015. . . but from a much stronger position then than now.

I don't care too much about the gov't appointments personally; I think their value is a bit overstated (but I guess I've already made this opinion known.)

Ujujoan:
It's not really a protest . . .  of course it would have been if Obi didn't use his mopols to intimidate people. The Govt. House entrance have been barricaded. I almost wasn't allowed back in after my lunch break.

Motor cyclists and market women are all gathered at Ngige's campaign office which is, co incidentally, opposite the government house.

Abeg, I think I'm closing for today. I no want wahala!

I didn't know you were actually on the ground there.

fstranger3:
Up [size=18pt]Asiwaju[/size] Congress party of alaigbo

Dude, seriously, stop that. Nothing good can come of it.

I think we are being trolled

sbeezy8:
ACN is still strong but why in the world would tinubu align with Buhari when the NASS are majority PDP?

makes no sense

If cpc had done better in nass election could be a diifferent story but.

GEJ is ok for now 2015 is a different story. cause PDP wont last after that election esp with which zone will get PDP ticket.

ACN played it fairly smart.

NASS is irrelevant. PDP northerners would decamp if Buhari wins.

Anyway, I'm interested to see what concessions Tinubu extracts from GEJ.

The man is so desperate to be president, is he not?