₦airaland Forum

fstranger1:
Yes, it is blind guessing.

What evidence do you have? None.

You mentioned JAMB, but again it was debunked.

Everyone thought Lagos was the most populated state in Nigeria, with the 2006 census, it turned out that Lagos was not as populated as some people would like us believe.

In the absence of factual and unbiased evidence, every conclusion, no matter how well intentioned, amounts to nothing but blind guessing!

I could take a bunch of publicly available data for each state and probably come up with a reasonable estimate of each state's population (using regression analysis or some variant.) This would be a more rigorous way of estimating the population. But I suspect that it'd give similar results to my current intuition.

Are the Tapa considered "native" Lagosians? Anyone know when they started moving to Lagos?

What other native groups are there? Awori Yoruba and who else?

^-- It is conjecture yes, but not completely blind guessing. It isn't as if you cannot make certain inferences even with imperfect/limited data.

Anyway, this is my own belief about the Nigerian population.

Then it is quite fortunate for Biafra that Nigeria only had one or two "ordinary" commanders, eh?

If they'd been able to swap out Murtala Mohammed for another "ordinary" Adekunle, I imagine the war would have ended in 6 months.

And if any of them had been "excellent", would the war have lasted 2 months?  

Nigeria is sort of a funny place, tho. If your father is Lagosian, mother Igbo but you grew up say in the North or East, you'd be eligible for any political office.

Father Igbo, mother Lagosian, but lived all your life in Lagos, would be more difficult.

Not saying any of this is wrong, just kind of interesting to me how Nigerians value certain things.

fstranger1:
Even at that no conclusion can be made.

I know a lot of Yoruba couples with 6,7,8 children, even in this day and age!

Agreed, I'm just pointing out how we should be thinking about things (children per wife, rather than total children.)

One thing to keep in mind guys. . . the # of children a man is obviously going to be higher if he has multiple wives. So the relevant quantity from a population growth perspective is children per wife, not total # of children.

Fair enough. Personally, it isn't very important to me whether we are #1, #2, or #3 in population. Doesn't really affect our position that much (at least, imo).

Certainly was smart enough to make mincemeat of them on the battlefield, though.

jason123:
Firstly, they give birth to lots of kids. My igbo neighbour in nigeria had 8 kids. 7 girls and 1 boy.

It must sorta suck to be an Igbo wife, in this respect. 8 kids out of one woman is way too many, lol. Plus it must be expensive feeding so many mouths  

jason123:
I still believe igbos are more than the yorubas or hausas.
Firstly, they give birth to lots of kids. My igbo neighbour in nigeria had 8 kids. 7 girls and 1 boy.
secondly, the population density of the east is the highest in nigeria apart from lagos because it is muticultural.
and finally, they are every where in nigeria. You would see an igbo man in every corner of nigeria . I like that aspect about them though.

Indeed. Plus when you look at rates of taking exams like JAMB, etc, then it is becomes pretty suggestive.

alj harem1:
even abuja that el-rufia says is 70% igbo,,,, why can't the igbos leaving there claim it to be true,,, they will not spend another night in abuja i tell you

There is no way this is true. Whenever I'm in Nigeria I stay in Abuja. I would be highly surprised if Igbo are even 20% of the population there, not to talk of 70%.

fstranger1:
This same believes that there are more Igbos than Hausas in Nigeria

I believe that there are more Igbos than Hausa too. In terms of population, Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa would be my guess. Remember, even in the core North, there are also Kanuri. And the middle belt has tons of non-Hausa groups which predominate.

How did the Tapa end up in Lagos from all the way Kwara/Niger State? I'm just curious.

Anyway, I have no beef with them. . . Shango's mom was Tapa  

Aigbofa:
Ibos are not just in Lagos, they are in every nooks and crannies of Yorubaland, doing their businesses without being harassed.

You can't say the same thing about the North, despite having the same rights you have over there as in Yorubaland.

Perhaps, this is why we don't hear of ibos laying claims to Kano or Kaduna

Sometimes I wonder if the generosity and sharing nature of my people will be our downfall. Some people if you give them an inch, they ask for a mile  

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=582273.msg7495640#msg7495640 date=1294594583]It is probably more likely to have a Lagosian born of Tapa (long-term Lagosian) parents get in there first though.[/quote]Hrm, I thought Tapa was Nupe? Or does Tapa refer to another group in this context. . . ?

jason123:
True. Brother, I pray a credible igbo man with an insight in the yoruba culture would be the governor of Lagos state soon. Amen.

Why? I don't see how this should be something on the priority list. Let the people of Lagos continue to choose who they want as governor. I don't see why we need to pander to any sectarian interests. . .

jason123:
How the HELL can someone say yorubas are 45% - 50% in lagos and igbos are 30%-35%

Igbos must be the most politically impotent group of people on the face of the earth if they can be 35% of the population and have nothing to show for it. Even 10 or 20% is enough to make an impact, let alone 35%. . .

It seems like a page out of a fiction novel to see five white American youths conversing in fluent Yoruba. But this is not fiction, as these Americans currently reside in the University of Ibadan studying one of the indigenous Nigerian languages, Yoruba. Tobiloba Fademi reports


When SUNDAY PUNCH called to arrange an interview with one of the foreign students, Cara, it was surprising when she answered on the other end in almost accent-less Yoruba: Mo ni ipade ni aago mejila, sugbon aago meji dara (I have a meeting by 12 noon, but 2 ‘O‘ clock is okay).


On getting to the interview venue where the Americans were waiting, the reporter greeted them in the English Language, but they replied in Yoruba, saying they were fine and ready for the interview. They introduced themselves in their Yoruba names: Abike, Kolawole, Kayode, Titilayo and Akinwumi, which they individually picked from a list given to them of Yoruba names and their meanings before they embarked on their journey to Nigeria.


They said they chose to study Yoruba, a language that some have predicted might be extinct by the next century. Their school, the University of Wisconsin, Madison, in the United States, has a special program for Yoruba which the students started taking in their first year. The program, they explained, is tailored for first year, first semester students only. This, they said, was because Yoruba was an interesting and rich language.


According to Cara, choosing Yoruba out of all the languages available for study in her school was for many reasons. For instance, when she was in the junior high school, she travelled to Angola with an NGO whose mission was to build schools and provide teacher training to rural villages. Travelling around Angola changed her world view and implanted in her a desire to return to Africa one day. While there, she also noticed she had a flair for languages when she picked up the local language spoken in Angola easily. Some years later, when she was picking courses in her first year in the university, she picked Yoruba language and culture class, knowing she would do something with the skills in future.


As for Kevin Barry, ”I chose to study Yoruba because it was available at my university in America (University of Wisconsin, Madison) and it sounded interesting. I am also very interested in music, particularly drums and percussion, and had studied a small bit of Yoruba music in the Diaspora (in Cuban and Brazilian music). I have also always wanted to come to Africa. I love learning about new people and cultures and I believe language can break down any barrier.”


They knew that to learn the language properly, they would have to leave the classroom for the environment where the language is being spoken by native speakers. They said that their proficiency in the Yoruba Language had since improved.


What was their preconceived notion about Africa and Nigeria in particular, we asked. According to Kegan O‘Neil (self named Kolawole) who had visited Northern African country of Morocco, public opinion about Africa in many places is, unfortunately, very negative; but he thinks Nigeria is such an interesting country with a huge economy.


The students had three Nigerian teachers who visited the United States of America occasionally to lecture them. For O‘Neil, there are some culturally shocking things that can be difficult, like adapting to another culture, compared to the American culture which he described as being more individualistic and quieter.


”It wouldn‘t have been easy if I wasn‘t living in the University of Ibadan. I really enjoy serenity, but whenever I step out of the gate, people stare at me endlessly and everything can be really rowdy.”


For Lauren, coming to Nigeria was not her first time out of the United States, but it‘s her first to Africa and although she didn‘t have a preconceived impression about Africa or Nigeria, she was warned about coming to Nigeria. However, she said, she believed that her team had been very fortunate as they have had good Nigerian teachers who had taught them good things about Nigerians and their culture.


She also said they initially had problems with their home institution which did not want them to visit Nigeria for various reasons, one of which was security problem. But they ultimately listened to their Nigerian lecturers and knew that it‘s not everything you listen to in the news that is accurate.


After a series of vaccinations, which included the ones for malaria, polio, yellow fever, tuberculosis, etc., they embarked on their journey to Nigeria in September 2009 to enable them to learn better a language they have been studying. Their program is being sponsored by the United States Government via an educational grant.


Fixed into different adoptive or host families, they have settled into the Nigerian system and one would not have been able to tell the difference between them and Nigerian youths if not for their skin colour. They each said that their host families were perfect for them and that they rather fit into the. The host families were picked for them after they had each completed a questionnaire about their personalities to determine where they would fit in best.


According to Kelly Moses, ”They did a good job, as each host family really fits each person.” Lauren added, ”Yeah, they did a good job; and I think all of us love our host families. I have five older sisters and they are grown and out of the house; so, right now, I am an only child.”


”Now that you have stayed in Nigeria for over a year, what will you say about the country and the bad publicity it‘s been receiving in the Western press,” SUNDAY PUNCH asked. Kegan, who has been to many countries, said most people they had met were good, except for a few bad ones who give the country a bad name.


When asked if they had developed romantic relationships with Nigerians, Lauren said she had a boyfriend back in the States; Kelly said he was open to possibilities. Kegan said the same, Caroline said she ”is taken” and Kevin said he was available.


When asked if anything had shocked them culturally about Nigeria, Kelly Moses said it was the power supply system. ”The fact that electricity isn‘t constant and can be seized at the whims of some people is not something we are used to,” he said. For O‘Neil, ”Nigeria is difficult for a vegetarian that I am.” He said he depended mostly on foreign foods. He also said that amala and obe ila (okro soup) is one of his favorite meals. For Lauren, she loves amala and abula, which her adoptive mother prepares for her. For 22-year-old Barry who goes by the name Kayode, ”Nigerian youths have a higher moral code, though there are a lot of similarities between youths in Nigeria and America, but gender rules are different in Nigeria than in U.S.”


Kevin said he was surprised that Nigerians ”don‘t seem to embrace their culture very much. If I speak Yoruba, they laugh at me and they say speak English and I ask them why.” He continues: ”I think a lot of youths have their eyes set on the western culture and they want to go over there and they want to trade in their own culture.”


Some of the students expressed the desire to return to Nigeria after their program, while Lauren, Kegan and Kelly said they have no definite plans to come back immediately. As for Cara, she thinks that she might take time to fit in back with the American culture; while Kevin said it was compulsory for him to come back ”because I have made some really good friends in Nigeria and I‘m available.


“Mo fe omoge to re‘wa, to tun gbon” (I want a beautiful girl who is mature) he said.

http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201101090353865

SNC first, I would suggest.

udezue:
OP,
You are wasting your time with Nigerians. Even if this system will turn Nigeria into paradise on earth and turn them into billionaire they will still have an issue with coz its coming from the IGBO.

The hate is rabid so I beg let them continue to wallow in it. I just wish what is going on in Southern Sudan right now could be the case with us.

Indeed. If only Nigerians would be less bigoted and follow the good examples and traditions of the Igbo. Haters, all of 'em.

Igbo kwenu!

I'm not really defending her. More attacking the NYSC. Basically, if you have a high-paying job abroad but would like to return to Nigeria someday for political reasons, then you must serve in NYSC and thus effectively give up a lot of money. Somehow this seems wrong to me.

Fair enough. If they want to drive people away from Nigeria through onerous demands that make no sense, so be it.

No I mean a high paying job abroad. I'd really be pissed to leave that job and go work in the bush. I'd probably cheat too.

^-- This NYSC sef seems quite annoying. What if you have some very high-paying job somewhere. You have to leave that job and be paid a pittance in Nigeria? No wonder so many people forge certificates. I'd probably do the same rather than give up a $200K/year job to go work for chicken scratch in the middle of nowhere (e.g., Jigawa).

^-- Ita Giwa looked absolutely disgusting tho.

I do agree with you though. If a black woman focuses and keeps herself in shape, she can look good even at 50.

@190, who is that girl? The one with the braids?

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Missy85:
God forbid a new war btw christian Igbos and moslem north, would you be surprised if you heard a xtian Igbo strapped a bomb to his/her body to attack the enemy?

Yes, very much so. It would be extremely incredible. War/conflict has happened plenty of times throughout history. But very rarely do you see suicidal attacks as part of the strategy.

In recent history, the only groups I know of that have engaged in suicide attacks on a large scale are the Tamil Tigers and Middle Eastern Muslims. If a Christian Igbo did the same, it would be very surprising.

^--- When Oloye dies, will Bukola inherit Kwara? Or will the daughter?

KenGali:
If Chime is changing party, it should be to APGA not ACN. He has Obi to help him along too. Why is the poster switching him to AC on baseless media. Any way media propaganda has always been AC best strategy.

According to media reports, APGA is Chime's backup plan if the ACN doesn't work out for him

Fanatic enough to commit suicide?

Haha, no threads needed 

Thanks tho.